[00:17] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thank you
[00:18] <Riddell> de nada
[00:18] <Riddell> what for?
[00:19] <Riddell> oh the blog :)
[00:21]  * jussi waves
[00:22] <Riddell> g'day sport
[00:31] <Riddell> well calligra uploaded but it needs work, still at least this fixes krita
[01:08] <jussi> heya Riddell, long time no speak
[01:13] <jussi> is anyone else getting screen corruption when using a second screen with plasma 5?
[09:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:00] <Riddell> hola chicos
[10:05] <Mirv> sitter: how was the kdelibs4support horridness btw, was it a one time "rebuild for Qt 5.4", or should I keep it on the list of "rebuild whenever landing a new Qt"?
[10:07] <Riddell> Mirv: it's only for qt 5.4
[10:08] <Riddell> actually why did it have to be rebuilt?
[10:08] <sitter> Mirv: one time thing
[10:09] <sitter> Riddell: it was using a static method from qtbase that wasn't public API
[10:09] <sitter> the method then got dropped in favor of an implementation with public API. so kdelibs4support was trying to use a symbol that didn't exist anymore
[10:10] <Mirv> Riddell: sitter: thanks!
[10:14] <Riddell> "h2222080@gmail.com has been successfully subscribed to kubuntu-devel" hmm real e-mail address or spammer?
[10:22] <Mirv> hmm, but kwin newly uses private headers and I should add that?
[10:23] <mgraesslin> Mirv: what? kwin is not using any private headers (yet)
[10:24] <Mirv> mgraesslin: kwin binary package has obtained dependencies on qtbase-abi-5-4-0 and qtdeclarative-abi-5-4-0, meaning it'd somehow use symbols marked as private
[10:24] <mgraesslin> Mirv: it shouldn't. Can you see which one they are?
[10:25] <mgraesslin> Mirv: might it be that the dependencies got set, because kwin had ifdef Qt 5.4 code?
[10:25] <Mirv> mgraesslin: no, sorry. I'm not sure what'd be the easiest way to do that.
[10:26] <Mirv> mgraesslin: it shouldn't be because of that, only if during package build debhelper finds using certain symbols
[10:28] <beluga_> hi, anyone want to try and reproduce https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89697
[10:29] <beluga_> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?type=deb-x86_64&version=4.4 Instructions he used are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux
[10:29] <beluga_> speaking about WollMux.. Munich?
[10:32] <beluga_> I have to leave office now, back in 1 h.. you can add a comment to the report directly, if you want
[10:43] <Mirv> mgraesslin: ok, I ran dpkg-shlibdeps -v -v -v etc manually after building kwin. and found at least _ZN13QOpenGLWidgetC1EP7QWidget6QFlagsIN2Qt10WindowTypeEE@Base 
[10:44] <Mirv> that only explains qtbase-abi-5-4-0 though, I don't see qtdeclarative-abi-5-4-0 in that output
[10:44] <mgraesslin> but KWin doesn use OpeNGLWidget
[10:47] <Mirv> mgraesslin: oh, I've better output now when using dh_shlibdeps to handle the listing of files, 10 symbols: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10446388/
[10:47] <Mirv> now again I don't know how to find how they get into use if it's not directly in code
[10:47] <mgraesslin> Mirv: QQuickRenderControl became public API in Qt 5.4
[10:48] <Mirv> ok, that would be a bug in our Qt packages then
[10:48] <mgraesslin> QQuickRenderControl is used in KWin, but only if built against Qt 5.4 because it's public API there
[10:50] <Mirv> mitya57: ^ that seems to be a bug in Debian packages too
[10:50] <Mirv> I guess mark_private_symbols.sh doesn't take care of unmarking now-public symbols
[10:51] <Mirv> so that would solve qtdeclarative but that qtbase symbol remains a question mark
[10:52] <Mirv> mgraesslin: kcm_kwin4_genericscripted.so + kwin5_aurorae.so are the ones using that qtbase symbol
[10:53] <mgraesslin> that just doesn't make sense
[10:53] <mgraesslin> I just did a grep for QOpeNGL
[10:53] <Mirv> the binary files match too for grepping that symbol
[10:53] <mgraesslin> Aurorae has some usage but not kwin4_genericscripted
[10:54] <mgraesslin> it links Qt5::UiTools - maybe that pulls it in
[11:42] <mitya57> Mirv, I commented on the bug you filed
[11:43] <Mirv> mitya57: thanks, wow you're quick in fixing :)
[11:43] <Mirv> that should be very useful
[11:44] <Mirv> otherwise similar things might lurk there indefinitely
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:37] <soee> hiho
[12:39] <soee> Riddell: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-15-04-Beta-1-Feels-Like-It-Awakened-KDE-from-a-Long-Slumber-Screenshot-Tour-474442.shtml
[13:00] <soee> mparillo: small suggestion, when posting news about beta or other release, would be good idea to add some picture to post, statistics says that posts with nice pictures have ~ 40% more recipient that read it :)
[13:00] <mparillo> soee: TY. Will see if I can edit.
[13:01] <soee> mparillo: nah this one has been posted already, just small tip for the future :)
[13:06] <mitya57> Mirv, with two fixes to mark_private_symbols.sh, the diff is quite impressive
[13:06] <mitya57> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtdeclarative.git/commit/?id=fc461f7201551c05
[13:13] <Mirv> mitya57: eh, I agree upon that... huge
[13:13] <Mirv> symbols fun
[13:30] <Riddell> soee: nice :)
[13:32] <Riddell> soee: fancy writing a kubuntu write article about it?
[13:33] <Riddell> kubuntu wire
[13:46] <Riddell> or maybe mparillo can write a kubuntu wire article now that he's the social media master :)
[13:47] <mparillo> http://wire.kubuntu.org/ does not seem to have a post button.
[13:48] <mparillo> Do only elite folks see it?
[13:55] <Riddell> mparillo: yep, but you're now elite
[13:57] <Riddell> mparillo: you should have an e-mail
[14:32] <Riddell> time for Spanish, adios, hasta luego
[14:37] <BluesKaj> mparillo, have you tried netrunner lately ?
[15:11] <mparillo> BluesKaj: Yes, and I keep coming back to Kubuntu
[15:12] <mparillo> I do like they way they map the "super" key, but I am now used to <alt><F1>.
[15:14] <mparillo> IIRC, they default to double-click, and include lots of CODECs, and way too many FF customizations for my taste. It also feels more sluggish, but not as sluggish as Fedora. Fedora, especially with rekonq, is unusable.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> mparillo, ok thanks for the heads up. I tried it a while back and it was ok , but wasn't enough to hold me.
[15:19] <mparillo> I agree.
[17:46] <BluesKaj> running 14.10 plasma 4 atm, and it's interesting how little memory and cpu is used under the same open apps/load conditions compared to 15.04 and plsama 5 
[18:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi Riddell did you compiled calligra 2.9? do we have an experimental ppa yet to play with?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> you'll probably have to wait a bit before he answers
[18:32] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: will do
[18:33] <_Groo_> kio-mtp is still broken in ci
[18:33] <_Groo_> for kde 4.x dolphin
[18:33] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/L2unll0R
[18:33] <_Groo_> you guys need to drop the hard dependency
[18:34] <_Groo_> kio-mtp is for kde 4.x, kio mtp for kf5 is in kio-extras, but they should be instalable, both of them
[19:23] <Riddell> _Groo_: not yet I'm afraid, it's quite complex with new bits and arm failures
[19:24] <_Groo_> Riddell: np :) how about kio-mtp?
[19:26] <Riddell> _Groo_: they're both installable no? what's the problem there?
[19:27] <_Groo_> you cant install kio-mtp, they ARENT both installable
[19:27] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/L2unll0R
[19:27] <_Groo_> and its broken for some time now
[19:29] <Riddell> _Groo_: are you on vivid or utopic?
[19:29] <_Groo_> utopic, ci
[19:29] <Riddell> ah right, yeah it'll need backported to utopic
[19:30] <_Groo_> i need to backport kio-mtp OR change plasma-desktop/workspace meta packages?
[19:30] <_Groo_> by I i mean YOU lol
[19:30] <Riddell> backport kio-mtp from vivid should do it
[19:30] <Riddell> join us! you know you want to
[19:30] <_Groo_> hmmm gonna test that and ill let you know
[19:30] <_Groo_> if it works ill upload to my padoca and you can copy from there
[19:31] <_Groo_> i want to join, but i dont have a fix schedule
[19:31] <_Groo_> i dont know if i would do more harm then good
[19:32] <_Groo_> sometimes i have the entire week , sometimes i "disappear" for days because of my work
[19:32] <_Groo_> if thats acceptable fine,if not, ill contribute as much as i can, as usual
[19:34] <Riddell> oh that's totally fine
[19:34] <Riddell> it's a volunteer project, we're just happy with what we can get :)
[19:43] <Riddell> _Groo_: what's your interest in calligra out of interest? do you use it as an office suite?
[19:43] <Riddell> mparillo: thanks for posting the wire post
[19:58] <mparillo> My pleasure. Thanks for making me one of the cool guys.
[20:03] <mparillo> If you want a user's .02 on Calligra (which it was Kalligra, but no matter). I would put up with it being a blt clunky feeling versus LO, but it must export MS-proprietary formats. Otherwise, I have to install LO anyway.
[20:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: yes i do, i love the flow app and i play around with krita a lot
[20:52] <_Groo_> flow is the most underrated app from the entire suite
[20:55] <ejat> yofel: i wanna try the kubuntu-ppa-ubuntu-next-backports-utopic ... but why its try to remove the whole unity8 ? 
[20:56] <_Groo_> Riddell: so what do i need to do to get going? i couldnt attend the last meeting
[20:58] <Riddell> ejat: qt incompatibilities, I'm afraid that's not going to change
[20:58] <Riddell> _Groo_: have you done packaging before?
[20:59] <ejat> ouch 
[20:59] <ejat> Riddell: is it the same in vivid? 
[21:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: you kidding me right?
[21:00] <Riddell> ejat: nope, everyone uses the same qt in vivid
[21:01] <Riddell> _Groo_: want a tutorial?
[21:01] <ejat> so it will be ok in vivid to have those 2 DE .. 
[21:02] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you the same riddell?
[21:02] <_Groo_> Riddell: recently for you guys i did, bluestack, touchpad, pulseaudio, just to mentiona few
[21:02] <_Groo_> Riddell: i maintain the padoca ppa (used by phoronix and others)
[21:03] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you confusing me for someone else?
[21:03]  * ejat wondering is there any other Riddell :)
[21:03] <_Groo_> Riddell: we are out of sinc here :D
[21:04] <_Groo_> ejat: he pulled my packages like 2 months ago, and we always talk... me thinks he forgot about it :D
[21:04] <Riddell> _Groo_: sorry :)
[21:04] <_Groo_> Riddell: im from the time you still were a canonical eployee
[21:04] <_Groo_> employee
[21:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/
[21:05] <Riddell> it's late, I'm busy speaking spanish 
[21:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: maybe this refreshes your memory
[21:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: im portuguese:P
[21:05] <ejat> _Groo_: he not forgot .. just a bit dizzy .. 
[21:05] <ejat> :)
[21:05] <_Groo_> im hurt now :/
[21:06] <Riddell> aww sorry, I have head trauma, my mind doesn't always focus
[21:06] <ejat> day n nites looking at the codes ... 
[21:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: you even invited me to the last meeting for admission of .. hu... 
[21:10] <_Groo_> sgclark
[21:10] <Riddell> I know, I'm sorry! brain breakage :(
[21:13]  * Riddell hugs _Groo_ 
[21:14] <ejat> :)
[21:14]  * soee thinks Riddell shoudl sing in spanish for _Groo_
[21:14]  * Riddell puts on Manu Chao Me Gustas Tu
[21:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: :D relax i was over reacting
[21:17] <Riddell> phew
[21:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: anyway who do i need to spank to start the "lets get more slave work to kubuntu ranks" process?
[21:17] <KDDA> hi all, I have been running Kubuntu15.04 for a few weeks now and found it very stable.  However I have run into a problem.  For some reason when I log in Im getting a blank desktop, no kickoff menu or anything.  if I move my user account folder and log in, everything is fine again.  But when I copy over my files, it stops working again!
[21:18] <soee> some configuration problems, did you upgrade from other version ?
[21:18] <soee> KDDA: ^
[21:19] <KDDA> I came from 14.10, but clean install
[21:19] <soee> KDDA: but you had .kde .config fodlers backed up ?
[21:19] <KDDA> it was working fine until about an hour ago (I was trying to install TileMill)
[21:20] <ejat> soee: u mean after upgrade need to clean up the configuration .kde folder ? 
[21:20] <_Groo_> try removing .cache
[21:20] <_Groo_> and relog
[21:20] <_Groo_> leave theconfiguration files
[21:20] <ejat> or only the .cache folder .. 
[21:20] <_Groo_> just remove .cache
[21:20] <soee> ejat: i had a lot of problems after upgrading
[21:20] <KDDA> _Groo_: I have just tried that
[21:20] <_Groo_> KDDA: and?
[21:21] <_Groo_> btw after removing .cache run kbuilsycoca5
[21:21] <KDDA> can get in, but no kickoff menu
[21:21] <KDDA> I renamed the .cache folder
[21:21] <soee> Riddell: nice track :)
[21:21] <_Groo_> k, open a terminal and run plasmashell, and paste the output in pastebin
[21:21] <_Groo_> KDDA: dont rename, .cache is dispendable
[21:21] <_Groo_> remove it, run kbuilsycoca5, relog
[21:22] <KDDA> does it need sudo?
[21:23] <KDDA> plasmashell output is one line
[21:23] <KDDA> kf5.kiconthemes: "Theme tree: (Breeze)"
[21:24] <KDDA> kbuilsycoca5 = command not found
[21:26] <_Groo_> kbuildsycoca5
[21:26] <_Groo_> and its with your user
[21:26] <_Groo_> no sudo needed
[21:26] <KDDA> ok, that did something
[21:26] <KDDA> Ill relog#
[21:26] <_Groo_> wait
[21:26] <_Groo_> run plasmashell
[21:26] <KDDA> ok
[21:26] <_Groo_> before relogging
[21:26] <_Groo_> any difference?
[21:27] <KDDA> same output
[21:27] <_Groo_> only one line?
[21:28] <KDDA> yup
[21:28] <_Groo_> what does it show?
[21:28] <_Groo_> any wallpaper? anything?
[21:28] <KDDA> kf5.kiconthemes: "Theme tree: (Breeze)"
[21:29] <KDDA> my wallpaper is showing since I renamed the .cache folder
[21:29] <_Groo_> no, visually
[21:29] <_Groo_> so, just no kickoff
[21:29] <KDDA> the coloured triangles
[21:29] <_Groo_> if you click the right mouse button do you have a menu?
[21:29] <KDDA> no kickoff or running apps, or clock, taskbar
[21:29] <KDDA> yes
[21:30] <KDDA> thats how I was able to load browser and come here
[21:31] <KDDA> should I try a relog?
[21:33] <_Groo_> aparently the old configurations arent working at all
[21:33] <_Groo_> i would start fresh :P
[21:33] <_Groo_> thats what i did when i migrated
[21:33] <_Groo_> too much differences to make it work
[21:33] <KDDA> I did start fresh
[21:34] <KDDA> my "old" user account was Kubuntu 15.04
[21:34] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping
[21:34] <KDDA> I rebooted and it stopped working :/
[21:34] <_Groo_> do an apt-get update then, might be missing a package or whatever
[21:35] <KDDA> it was after an update, this problem started!
[21:35] <_Groo_> so... might be missing stuff...
[21:36] <_Groo_> wont hurt
[21:36] <KDDA> has anyone else rebooted recently?
[21:36] <_Groo_> KDDA: hu?
[21:37] <KDDA> well it only started after a reboot
[21:38] <_Groo_> KDDA: ok, try to see if there is an update
[21:38] <_Groo_> KDDA: you said that if you start with a new account everything works?
[21:38] <KDDA> and when I move my user account and force it to make a new one, it works, just missing all my settings and files
[21:38] <KDDA> the launcher works, but all my applications done!
[21:38] <KDDA> dont
[21:39] <_Groo_> KDDA: what you mean the applications dont?
[21:40] <KDDA> Kontact, IRC chat, Skype, all the stuff I use 
[21:40] <Riddell> hi _Groo_ 
[21:40] <_Groo_> KDDA: you are obviously missing stuff
[21:40] <_Groo_> KDDA: do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:40] <KDDA> yeah
[21:41] <_Groo_> KDDA: and paste the results
[21:41] <_Groo_> Riddell: so how do i start to become a kubuntu valiant minion? 
[21:41] <KDDA> if I moved the user account again and overwrite the new files into my old account would that fix it?
[21:42] <_Groo_> it you cant even open a kde/qt file , something is more wrong then just the config files
[21:42] <_Groo_> run kontact from the command line, does it open?
[21:42] <KDDA> oh there is a kernel update
[21:43] <KDDA> is that just released?
[21:43] <Riddell> _Groo_: do more useful stuff like backporting kio-mtp and apply for kubuntu-ninjas and apply for kubuntu-membership and apply for kubuntu-dev 
[21:43]  * ejat kudos _Groo_
[21:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: i have all 3
[21:44] <KDDA> _Groo_: Kontact works fine, just no kickoff menu etc
[21:44] <_Groo_> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias
[21:44] <Riddell> _Groo_: you have kubuntu-ninjas but not kubuntu-membership or kubuntu-dev
[21:44] <_Groo_> KDDA: just start fresh, make a backup of the old account and configure it manually
[21:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: must have expired
[21:45] <KDDA> Ive moved back to the main archive, maybe the Ireland mirror is slow updating
[21:54] <valorie> ever since seeing Guardians of the Galaxy, _Groo_ is mapped to Groot
[21:54] <valorie> :-)
[21:58] <_Groo_> valorie: i AM groo(t)
[21:58] <valorie> :-)
[21:59] <ejat> :)
[21:59] <valorie> the little Groot, dancing - fantastic way to end the film
[22:01] <_Groo_> valorie: thanos as always my favorite anti hero of the marvel universe
[22:01] <_Groo_> valorie: the old, conqueror thanos
[22:01] <_Groo_> valorie: he killed half the universe to give the souls as a present for his girlfriend, death itself
[22:02] <_Groo_> valorie: most romantic thing ever!
[22:06] <Riddell> calligra compiling away in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[22:07] <mparillo> Ahh, http://wire.kubuntu.org/ feeds https://planetkde.org/
[22:07] <valorie> so _Groo_ has a dark side, I see
[22:09] <mparillo> The Force is like Duct Tape. It has a dark side and a light side, and it holds the universe together.
[22:11] <_Groo_> Riddell: can you move it to ci after?
[22:11] <_Groo_> Riddell: or a fresh ppa just with calligra?
[22:11] <_Groo_> Riddell: or i could do it myself i suppose :D
[22:11] <_Groo_> valorie: not dark, just grey (pun intended)
[22:11] <valorie> bleah, bad news about my laptop: series of unfortunate events will leave me with shiny new vivid beta and nothing else - all data from rather old backup
[22:11] <valorie> :(
[22:11] <Riddell> _Groo_: that PPA does only have calligra in it (the other stuff is vivid)
[22:12] <Riddell> _Groo_: ci is mostly only for frameworks stuff
[22:12] <valorie> but first world problems, I guess
[22:12] <_Groo_> Riddell: ah yes,i didnt noticed it was vivid
[22:12] <_Groo_> Riddell: ill upgrade from there and let you know
[22:12] <soee> what about new LO ?
[22:13] <Riddell> not out department
[22:13] <Riddell> not our department
[22:13] <soee> ubuntus ?
[22:13] <Riddell> yes
[22:13] <soee> ah, ok :)
[22:13] <soee> Vivid will have QT 5.4.1 ?
[22:14] <KDDA> _Groo_: still no kickoff menu :/
[22:15] <KDDA> Ive even tried overwriting the newly created files into my older account
[22:15]  * Riddell out, buenos noches
[22:24] <KDDA> :) Its back!
[22:31] <KDDA> I deleted the plasma files in .config
[22:31] <KDDA> lost a few customiations, but can live with that
[22:36] <KDDA> thanks for your help _Groo_ 
[22:43] <_Groo_> KDDA: np, good to know you are up on your track again
[22:48] <KDDA> are you on the dev team?
[22:55] <valorie> KDDA: any of us who contribute are part of the dev team
[22:55] <valorie> join us
[22:56] <valorie> :-)
[22:56] <valorie> and yes, _Groo_ is part of the dev team
[22:56] <KDDA> coding isnt really my thing
[22:56] <_Groo_> KDDA: this isnt coding, its packaging, we code because we have to :P
[23:00] <KDDA> do you reckon MIR will take off?
[23:05] <valorie> we not only package, we code, write, have a website, documentation, promo and outreach and on and on
[23:05] <valorie> we very much need help on the documentation for vivid, especially great screenshots
[23:06] <valorie> and as far as I know, we have no Vivid banner for the website yet either
[23:06] <KDDA> well if you need mapping done, Im your man!
[23:16] <valorie> what sort of mapping do you do, KDDA?
[23:16] <valorie> are you involved in OSM?
[23:16] <KDDA> OpenStreetMap
[23:16] <KDDA> yup
[23:16] <valorie> oh very cool
[23:17] <KDDA> mapping townlands in Ireland
[23:17] <valorie> please be sure that a coruña is really detailed where we'll be for Akademy
[23:17] <valorie> :-)
[23:17] <valorie> ooooo, that is so excellent for Ireland
[23:18] <valorie> I've not done genealogy research there yet, but townlands are so important
[23:18] <valorie> I know that much
[23:18] <valorie> do you work with the Marble team?
[23:19] <KDDA> do genealogy too
[23:19] <KDDA> nope, reasearch and draw the townlands and other features
[23:20] <valorie> well, marble would be the obvious KDE team to network with
[23:21] <valorie> I know nicolas alvarez is really active in OSM too
[23:21] <KDDA> havent come across him
[23:22] <valorie> I hope the missing bits we need for Gramps to display mapping will work in 15.04
[23:22] <KDDA> is gramps still being developed?
[23:22] <valorie> yes
[23:22] <valorie> unfortunately, it uses gtk
[23:22] <KDDA> I use a PHP app called webtrees
[23:23] <valorie> but yup, devels are still active on the list and forums, not so much in #gramps
[23:23] <valorie> most of my efforts right now are sucking census images from myheritage, and adding to stuff in wikitree
[23:24] <valorie> I did a 23andme kit, and am trying to get all the segment match groups collaborating together
[23:24] <KDDA> any matches?
[23:24] <valorie> loss of all my data is going to set me back a bit
[23:24] <valorie> loads
[23:25] <valorie> over a thousand, actually
[23:25] <KDDA> what part of the world?
[23:25] <valorie> not all are interested in working, or collaborating, naturally
[23:25] <valorie> my dad is half Scots, half Swedish, so he's pretty easy
[23:26] <valorie> my mother is heinz 57 from all over northern europe
[23:26] <valorie> but her McBees are scotch-irish, as they are called here
[23:27] <valorie> a branch of my dad's Cowans went from Stirling SCT to the plantation in Ireland, and that is confirmed by yDNA matches
[23:27] <KDDA> what part?
[23:28] <valorie> hmmm, I'd have to dig that out
[23:28] <valorie> I guess I'll need to anyway, to help out the matches
[23:28] <valorie> one thing at a time - I've lost all the recent data that was on my machine
[23:28] <valorie> so the next weeks will be recreating what I can
[23:29] <KDDA> how did you lose it?
[23:29] <valorie> whatever isn't online
[23:29] <valorie> series of unfortunate events, starting with no recent backup
[23:29] <valorie> then a upgrade that left my laptop unbootable
[23:30] <KDDA> that happens me a lot!
[23:30] <valorie> and then forgetting to bring the backup drive to my son's so he could try to do a backup anyway before proceeding
[23:30] <valorie> I've never had a bad upgrade before
[23:31] <valorie> now I'll be more religious of backing up
[23:32] <valorie> my biggest loss was a text file of my 23&me matches interlaced with gedmatch folks
[23:32] <valorie> but I can recreate it
[23:32] <valorie> will just take some days of work
[23:34] <KDDA> oh sorry, was reading!
[23:34] <KDDA> Kolab 3.4 was released today!
[23:34] <KDDA> yeah, its important to backup regularly
[23:39] <valorie> I've always been ~good
[23:40] <valorie> now I'll be *good*