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guest05How can I compile C++ source using Qt Creator on Ubuntu OS without command terminal manually.02:29
guest05like debugger02:29
dobeymhall119: it's not an exact match no, but it's 1000x better than the win95 look :)02:51
nhainesdobey: I agree.  The default GNOME icons don't match Suru either!02:51
nhainesAnd at least it's recognizeable!02:52
dobeynhaines: eh, i am not of a fan of the concept of having all the app icons be big squares. really don't like that :-/03:06
nhainesThat's... not what Suru is?03:06
dobeynhaines: suru icons are the ones on the phone, no?03:15
nhainesYeah, like the ones in the indicator menus or System Settings.03:16
dobeyno, those are just indicator and system-settings specific designs. suru includes the app icons as well03:17
dobeythe way unity8 displays icons, they really have to be full frame square images03:18
nhainesNo they don't.  See: indicator icons.03:21
dobeyagain03:21
dobeyAPP icons03:21
nhainesWell, that's been the story since 11.04.  I don't see it changing any time soon.03:21
dobeywhat?03:21
nhainesAnyway, the point I'm trying to make is that neither the Ubuntu GTK theme nor the default matches Suru and (which is the design style the indicators and rest of the toolkit uses) and so the Ubuntu theme would be better.03:24
dobeynhaines: i think you're either already asleep, or drunk. i'm not sure which. :)03:26
nhainesI wouldn't mind either.  :)03:26
nhainesBasically I don't care about and am not discussing the launcher icons.  They have nothing to do with how ugly LibreOffice looks on a phone.  :)03:26
dobey21:50 < nhaines> dobey: I agree.  The default GNOME icons don't match Suru either!03:27
nhaines18:51 < dobey> mhall119: it's not an exact match no, but it's 1000x better than the win95 look :)03:27
dobeythe ubuntu gtk+ theme, yes03:27
nhainesmhall119's argument was that they're not using it because it doesn't match Suru.03:27
nhainesAnd I assert that this is a silly reason.03:28
dobeyit wasn't an argument03:28
dobeyhe said it wasn't on the image, which has nothing to do with it matching suru or not.03:28
dobeyit also doesn't match suru, but it at least makes the colors 90% closer to what they would be for a qml app03:29
nhainesYes, that's what I'm saying too.03:29
dobeyrunning a plain qt app under xmir probably doesn't look very good either03:29
dobeywhy did you mention the icons then?03:29
nhainesBecause the icons are part of the theme.03:30
dobeythe toolbar icons in libreoffice are part of the libreoffice theme; they don't come from gnome. but again, they're much better than the stock icons03:30
dobeyany traditional app UIs are going to look completely out of place anyway, because they've got menus and toolbars and all kinds of other things, which don't fit in with the phone/tablet "design"03:32
dobeyand i can't imagine libreoffice having a ui that matches the uitk design. it would be incredibly weird03:33
dobeyanyway03:33
* dobey goes back to not being on the computer03:33
nhaines\o/03:33
aarobcHI!03:47
aarobcSo, stupid question: with android I have adb for debugging and such, but how can I do something similar with ubuntu touch?03:48
nhainesDefine "similar".  I don't know how adb works.03:55
aarobcnhaines: oh. well, with android, you plug the phone into your computer, then type "adb shell", and then you have a shell that's of the phone and stuff04:01
nhainesIf you put your phone in developer mode and type 'adb shell' or 'phablet-shell' you have a phone shell.04:05
aarobchow to put ubuntu touch in developer mode?04:36
aarobcnvmnd, think I found it04:37
nhainesaarobc: System Settings > About this phone > Developer mode (at the very bottom)04:43
RobbyFwow04:53
RobbyFubuntu touch seems snappy on pop04:53
RobbyFresolution is amaizing04:54
nhainesOn what now?05:00
RobbyFsorry oneplus05:02
DonkeyHoteipop = opo ?05:02
RobbyFyeah05:03
RobbyFI was excited to key that in05:03
DonkeyHoteii'm excited for a different reason05:04
RobbyFwhats that05:05
DonkeyHoteii'm not sure i want to type it in the public channel yet, but:05:06
DonkeyHoteiping ChickenCutlass rsalveti05:06
RobbyFlol05:06
nhainesDonkeyHotei: whatever it is, congrats.05:06
nhainesRobbyF: yeah, I figured once the porting guide came out it wouldn't take very long.05:07
RobbyFis there web access to the ubuntu store atm?05:10
nhainesThere's an unofficial catalog but not otherwise.05:11
RobbyFlooking for an exchange mail client05:11
DonkeyHoteinhaines: /notice05:11
nhainesDonkeyHotei: oh, I don't think I heard about that.  But good job!05:12
DonkeyHoteinhaines: i consider that rather premature05:13
DonkeyHoteithat's why i didn't type it in the channel05:14
nhainesDonkeyHotei: naturally, but a good first step.05:15
DonkeyHoteiwhat was her name, again?05:16
nhainesI don't remember anything about SCALE.  I can't even remember which day I met my own editor.05:16
aLeSDhi all07:24
aLeSDI'd like to port ubuntu touch on my device ...07:24
aLeSDhow to get the kernel for my hw ?07:25
aLeSDDo I have to ask to the maker the sources ?07:25
aLeSDDo it have to puplish the sources ?07:25
jgdxaLeSD, I don't know, but maybe this can help? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/07:26
aLeSDand .. is it possible to install ubuntu on a smart tv ?07:26
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dholbachgood morning07:53
Tm_Thola08:52
Mirvhola08:52
Tm_Tis there way to search people in Telegram?08:52
MirvTm_T: you mean like the "global search" in addition to phonebook? good question, I'd like to know too!08:55
VercHELP! My Nexus 4 does not boot. It shows "GOOGLE" and then nothing. I can turn it to recovery/bootloader mode but nothing else. I can see it in my Dekstop's terminal using "fastboot".08:56
VercI had 15.04 devel. Yesterday I have typed in my telephone's terminal "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade". There was some error with "deb" but I didn't know what to do so I rebooted the device. Now it's as I've said before :((((08:58
ogra_ugh, why did you do that ?08:59
ogra_ubuntu on phones doesnt use apt ...09:00
ogra_better re-flash then09:00
Vercok :<<<09:02
VercI wanted to install the nevest image09:02
Verc*newest09:02
ogra_for that you use the system-settings update function09:02
Tm_Togra_: so no software installing with apt-get as the software store selection is incredibly limited still?09:03
ogra_you also get a neotification if there is an updated image, just tap on the system settings icon on the riht in that notification and it will update09:03
ogra_Tm_T, there will never be full support for apt ...09:03
Tm_Tlike, where's irssi09:04
popeyin the click store09:04
popeylike every other app09:04
popey(once someone adds it)09:04
Tm_Tright09:04
ogra_as a developer you can install single packages, but the two systems are contradicting each other, a system-imae update will revert your apt changes, apt-get update will break system-image09:04
Tm_Tmakes sense09:05
Tm_Tmaybe some kind of sandboxing would avoid issues with that, maybe not09:05
ogra_eventually the phone will switch to snappy as a base09:05
ogra_that doesnt ship the apt binary at all09:05
Verckarol@lenovo:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=devel 2015/02/27 10:04:32 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface... device cannot be detected over adb09:05
ogra_Verc, boot to recovery and add: --device mako09:06
ogra_to your command09:06
Tm_Theh, to me "smart phone" is computer, I tend to do stuff a lot on the road09:06
ogra_snappy will enable you :)09:06
Vercubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=devel --device mako09:06
Verc?09:06
ogra_yeah09:07
ogra_Tm_T, snappy is that "convergence" thing everyone talks about on the plumbing layer ;)09:07
ogra_it will eventually drive the desktop too ...09:08
Tm_Togra_: I understand, I'm more referring to the software selection and possible arbitary limitations09:08
ogra_so you will have an irssi snap then ;)09:08
Vercis it OK, that is started to push something without downloading?09:08
jgdxyeah09:08
ogra_Verc, if there is no newer image on the server it uses what it has cached09:08
jgdxVerc, means you've probably done this before and the image is cached09:08
ogra_the devel channel is only updated very rarely09:09
VercGENIUS!09:09
Tm_Tbut yeah, telegram user search is current issue I am facing, hard to use it if I cannot find any users09:09
VercI was scared that I have to wait a few hours to fix my phone09:09
popeyTm_T: connect it to your address book09:09
Vercwhere is the cache?09:09
Tm_Tpopey: how?09:10
popeyit'll figure out who your friends are09:10
popeyin the app09:10
Vercon my phone?09:10
ogra_somewhere in your homedir under .cache09:10
popeyVerc: no, pc09:10
Vercor my dektop?09:10
ogra_on the PC09:10
Tm_Tpopey: I tried adding users from phone's contact but I couldn't figure it out, it just goes to phone app09:10
VercOK because I've wiped cache in recovery mode09:10
popeyare your contacts synced to the device Tm_T ?09:10
popeyVerc: not the same cache09:11
Tm_Tpopey: from several sources yes09:11
VercOk, thanks for your help <309:11
Vercit's flashing09:11
popeyTm_T: so open contacts app, do you see lots of them?>09:11
Tm_Tpopey: a lot of people yes09:11
popeyTm_T: ok, in telegram on the phone tap the burger menu top right, contacts, add contact (top right), from address book, contacts, select all, tick09:13
Tm_Tpopey: ok, will try thanks09:13
VercI'm back :) The telephone works :)09:14
Tm_Tpopey: aaaaa previously that selection thingy didn't even appear09:14
Vercthanks!09:14
Tm_Tpopey: now after few tries it came with some delay09:14
popeyogra_: see this? https://twitter.com/vishne0/status/57116932868869734409:14
Tm_Tstill no global search though09:15
ogra_Tm_T, btw, there is kiwiirc and a freenode webclient in the store .... (both not optimal since if you background them you need to reconnect at some point, but better than no IRC at all :) )09:15
Tm_Togra_: indeed09:15
ogra_popey, lol09:15
ogra_i wonder how stuttery it runs :)09:15
Vercbut I've lost my console programs09:16
VercMusic On Console09:16
VercI'll have to install it :)09:16
popeyVerc: hang on.09:17
popeyVerc: lets not go down the road of breaking the device _again_09:18
popeyVerc: what app are you after?09:18
VercI have to leave home now09:19
Verccya later09:19
anpok_popey: i guess he meant http://moc.daper.net09:20
jgdxEverything Verc does should be made into a wiki page09:20
anpok_but I doubt he was serious..09:20
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-is-official-will-be-at-mwc-in-march09:44
popeyooh09:44
popeywant09:44
lotuspsychje:p09:44
lotuspsychjelooking nice spec mate09:44
ogra_popey, you sure ? it might be locked down :)09:44
popeyhah09:44
popeyi have some paper on my desk which needs holding down09:45
ogra_haha09:45
lotuspsychjeogra_: you know why 14.09 rtm doesnt install image on n7 and 14.09/rtm-proposed does?09:45
ogra_well, rtm isnt really for tablets ... so they dont get QAed or promoted in RTM09:46
popeyi have vivid on my n709:46
lotuspsychjeah, but the proposed one runs much smoother on my n7 on the channel=devel09:47
ogra_(would cause more work to disable the tablet builds than to just let them run along)09:47
lotuspsychjepopey: and working nicely?09:47
lotuspsychjeogra_: wich version do you reccomend to run best on n7?09:48
ogra_hard to say since we really dont focus on tablets atm (i suspect that wil change soon) but i guess i'd take devel or devel-proposed09:49
lotuspsychjei was on devel, and nhaines told me rtm is being worked on alot these days, and it runs very smooth on my n7 indeed09:50
ogra_sure, it just doesnt get any testing on tablets09:50
lotuspsychjei see09:50
lotuspsychjeill stick to rtm-proposed then until something better will come out :p09:51
lotuspsychjetnx09:51
ogra_devel does at least get one smoke test before we promote stuff from devel-proposed ...09:51
lotuspsychjeoveral speed is nice on rtm on my n709:52
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy Strawberry Day! :-D09:53
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lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/new-video-shows-off-ubuntu-convergence-demoed-on-tablet-phone09:58
seb128hum10:03
seb128is "here" displaying details about places for others?10:05
seb128I just get "Couldn't show you this place now"10:05
seb128trying on different places, including some in London10:05
popeyseb128: how do you trigger that?10:06
seb128popey, just search for something and click on small "pin" on the map for it10:07
seb128like I searched for "burger" in London and click on "honest burgers soho"10:07
popeyi searched for walldorf then clicked the town http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-02-27-100736.png10:07
seb128popey, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/here.jpg10:08
popeyseb128: yes, reproduced http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-02-27-100850.png10:08
seb128popey, thanks!10:09
popeynp10:09
seb128popey, do you know where to report "here" bugs?10:09
popeyi don't.10:09
popeyvictorp might10:09
jibelseb128, if it's a problem with the webapp report a bug against webapp-applications, if it is a problem with the location report it against location-service10:15
jibelwebapps-applications*10:16
ogra_seb128, it is the buioltin health monitor ... it checks your body mass index and decides for you if you should have a burger or not ... its a feature :)10:18
popeyah, every time you search for "burger" it returns the results for "salad" instead :)10:18
popeyWONTFIX: Not a bug.10:18
ogra_:D10:18
seb128ogra_, call me fat?:10:18
seb128!10:18
ogra_LOL, how did i know you would say that :)10:18
seb128bah10:19
ogra_indeed i dont ... your phone is just mis-calibrated ;)10:19
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victorppopey, under espoo project11:03
ogra_seb128, ^^^^11:10
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davmor2seb128: and co has anyone brought up having a 3g data tracker in system settings?   It would be nice to be able to have 3g data auto turn off when 5% of your allowance is left for example11:58
oSoMoNSaviq, hey, in the shell-rotation branch, what happens to the indicators in landscape orientation?12:17
SaviqoSoMoN, that's kinda the point, they keep to the top edge12:18
Saviqas in the "new" top edge12:18
Saviqthe whole of shell rotates to keep bottom where bottom should be12:18
oSoMoNSaviq, ok, that’s what I thought, just wanted confirmation, thanks!12:18
davmor2Saviq: I'll tell you he was worried they would leap out and attack him for stealing away their top edge ;)12:19
Saviq;012:20
seb128davmor2, no, but it's not a settings thing, rather an indicator one, settings is only a frontend, it doesn't run all the time so can't enforce changes during a session like that12:38
davmor2seb128: okay thanks for that12:39
seb128davmor2, yw!12:40
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nik90rsalveti: ping13:10
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matv1just flashed to latest devel-proposed on my mako and I can only get 2g data and no 3g (while 3g should definitely be available). Is that a known issue?13:23
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jgdxmatv1, bug 1422928 ?13:40
ubot5bug 1422928 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[cellular] Not possible to select 3G on ril_1 after "Erase & Reset Everything"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142292813:40
* matv1 reading up on that bug13:41
jgdxmatv1, might be a new bug if it persist.13:42
matv1jgdx doenst look like the other one. That implies (if iḿ reading right) that 3g isnt even an option in the UI13:44
matv1that is not the case with me13:44
matv1jgdx and it does persist over reboots13:44
jgdxmatv1, oh. What are the symptoms?13:44
jgdxhow do you know you're not getting 3g e.g?13:44
matv1jgdx I am going by what the top menu is saying.13:46
jgdxmatv1, are you able to ssh into the phone?13:46
jgdxmatv1, could you paste the output of [1] and [2]? [2] contains personal information, so it's best if you remove some of it. [1] /usr/share/ofono/scripts/get-tech-preference [2] /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems13:47
jgdxs/some/all13:48
matv1jgdx sure13:48
jgdxthanks13:49
matv1jgdx might be a few hours before i get to it. i am at my dayjob :)13:49
matv1jgdx i will do a LP bug and attach the files13:49
matv1jgdx I will notufy yiu when i've done that13:50
matv1jgdx and thank you too13:51
jgdxmatv1, that'd be great. Thank you, in advance, for your bug report.13:52
jgdxmatv1, maybe file it against ofono https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/ ?13:53
matv1jgdx yup will do13:53
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jgdxbfiller, $ gsettings list-keys com.ubuntu.touch.sound14:40
jgdxbfiller, try this one http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10449683/14:52
jgdxbfiller, othervibrate on vivid is slated to land next week14:55
bfillerjgdx: so this command shows silent mode is true, but is not getting updated when I change the UI. And the UI seems to loose it's state after making a change and returning. UI is always showing false14:55
bfillerkenvandine: ^^14:55
jgdxbfiller, vivid?14:57
jgdxI am not seeing that on krillin@vivid..14:58
bfillerjgdx: vivid latest yes, on N414:58
kenvandinebfiller, i'll check too15:00
kenvandine      readwrite b SilentMode = false;15:09
kenvandinebfiller, seems to be changing for me15:09
kenvandine      readwrite b SilentMode = true;15:09
kenvandinebfiller, so my setting is changing, but i am getting the beeps for notifications even when false15:10
bfillerkenvandine: strange, wondering why I'm not seeing that. will reflash15:10
jgdxbfiller, wwwait15:10
kenvandinebfiller, NO!15:10
kenvandine:-D15:10
jgdx:D15:10
kenvandinebfiller, reboot...15:10
* kenvandine hopes a reboot doesn't change this 15:11
jgdxbfiller, $ tail -f .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log # and change the settings, could yield some useful information15:11
kenvandinebfiller, and what image #?15:11
kenvandinei'm on 113, so not the latest15:11
kenvandinebfiller, also... you are changing it in settings right? not in the indicator?15:12
simosxI want to make changes on the phone. Where do I install 'git' from?15:15
kenvandinebfiller, the setting is changing properly from the indicator and settings... i'm updating to 114 now15:16
bfillerkenvandine: I'm on 112 but have some updates installed, let me reflash with latest and try again15:18
bfillerkenvandine: and yes was changing from settings not indicator15:19
kenvandinebfiller, still working fine on 11415:20
kenvandinewell, the setting is changing15:20
bfillerjgdx, kenvandine: I'm seeing this in the log when I load the sound page 2015-02-27 10:19:54,223 - WARNING - file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/sound/PageComponent.qml:72:50: Unable to assign [undefined] to bool15:20
kenvandinebut the push notifications are still ignoring it15:20
bfiller(still on 112)15:20
bfillermight be nothing15:20
kenvandine                    property bool serverChecked: soundActionGroup.silentMode.state15:21
kenvandinebfiller, so line 72 is for silent mode15:21
kenvandinebfiller, looks like it's failing to get the state from the indicator15:21
kenvandinebfiller, reboot first15:21
jgdxbfiller, is there an indicator?15:21
jgdxfor sound15:22
kenvandinegood question :)15:22
kenvandinemaybe the indicator crashes15:22
bfillerjgdx, kenvandine : it's not there must have crashed15:22
kenvandinebingo15:22
kenvandineso that's a different issue though15:22
bfilleryup15:22
kenvandinethe push notifications are still ignoring that setting15:22
kenvandinecan you file that bug for push notifications?15:22
bfillerkenvandine: yup, doing that now15:22
kenvandineand please double check that it isn't doing that on rtm15:23
kenvandineif you have an rtm device handy15:23
adrian47kernel printk is needed for ubuntu touch? when i disable it UT does not boot15:25
bfillerkenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/+bug/142641815:26
ubot5Launchpad bug 1426418 in ubuntu-push (Ubuntu) "push notification ignoring silent mode" [High,New]15:26
ogra_adrian47, shouldnt15:26
ogra_probably somethin transitional if oyu disable it15:26
why_banned_studihi15:39
adrian47ogra_, it gives me 0.3MB it's really much for me now, i am getting bootloop without it :(15:40
cwayneoh man, i need to write a myfitnesspal app with this now https://github.com/savaki/myfitnesspal15:42
why_banned_studiwill there be in the future a vsftpd for the ubuntu-touch (armhf)?15:44
popey!guidelines | why_banned_studi15:50
ubot5why_banned_studi: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines15:50
adrian47i tried to ude lzma compression but it didn't worked too with it16:03
adrian47use*16:04
mariogripI need to learn how to make youtube videos :P I see that now, it's not the best...16:10
popeyit was better than most16:11
popeyneeds more cats though16:11
mariogriphehe, I said so much wrong :P16:12
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beidlhello fine folks16:22
davmor2beidl: hello16:25
ogra_adrian47, tyr xz16:26
ogra_*try16:26
adrian47ogra_, the same, I don't know why...16:38
ogra_did you enable XZ support everywhere in the kernel ?16:38
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adrian47ogra_, yes16:40
peat-psuwitExcuse me, if opening /dev/console gives ENODEV, what does it mean?16:52
ogra_most likely that your kernel didnt create it16:53
ogra_or that you havent enabled devtmpfs in the kernel16:53
peat-psuwitI'm sure that devtmpfs is enabled and the device file is there.16:56
ogra_do you have the kernel cmdline point to a proper console device too ?16:57
ogra_console=tty016:57
ogra_somethin like that16:57
peat-psuwitI'm not quite sure. It says "console=ttyHSL0,115200,n8". I don't know if it's correct16:58
peat-psuwitDon't know what else it should be either.16:59
ogra_try appending console=tty0 additionally at the end16:59
peat-psuwitI'll try.16:59
seb128is anyone else seen some sort of flicker/jerky animation when selecting/opening a photo in gallery? (or once it's open when touching it to display the header)?17:02
seb128that's on rtm 24717:02
* ogra_ never uses gallery :P 17:02
seb128oh, seems like om26er reported it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app/+bug/142556317:03
ubot5Launchpad bug 1425563 in gallery-app "Gallery flickers when going fullscreen" [Medium,New]17:03
ogra_i actually got used to open the camera app to use the photo roll there :)17:03
peat-psuwitThanks ogra_, that works!17:04
ogra_:)17:04
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why_banned_studithanks.17:39
why_banned_studii would like to ask "again", will there be in the future a ftp-server like vsftpd for the ubuntu-touch device (armhf)?17:58
butzGreetings, is it possible to build Ubuntu touch for x86 devices?17:59
DonkeyHoteiit is not, currently18:00
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lotuspsychjebutz: check the XDA forums for your device maybe someone ported it18:00
lotuspsychje!devices18:01
ubot5You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices18:01
butzjust went through that list - all devices are Android/ARM18:01
popeybutz: i think someone has, willcooke demonstrated it on an intel tablet18:01
lotuspsychjeyeah omgubuntu has video on it18:01
popeywhy_banned_studi: someone could make a snappy package of vsftpd perhaps18:01
why_banned_studithanks ;)18:02
popeywhy_banned_studi: not sure why someone would put an ftp server on a phone, but you could.18:02
lotuspsychjebutz: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/new-video-shows-off-ubuntu-convergence-demoed-on-tablet-phone18:02
why_banned_studiit is not just a phone it is ubuntu18:02
popeyright, so yeah, someone could package it18:04
lotuspsychjewhy_banned_studi: unlock your device and use apt-get install an-ftp-prog18:04
ChloeWolfieGirlI installed ubuntu on my OnePlus One, it was unbeleivibly hard to uninstall it and re-install android, gosh, ((I needed to re-install android for audio, and cellular, couldn't text, phone, or do anything really under ubuntu) but it killed me to remove ubuntu xD I think that says you're doing something right, either that or I'm crazy?18:05
butzlotuspsychje: yeah, I came here after wathing that video :)18:05
why_banned_studi@lotuspsychje, thanks for advise, but i prefer vsftp18:06
why_banned_studianother question, how to get an icon from firefox after intalling firefox?18:07
mhall119ChloeWolfieGirl: the first bootable image is always rough, hopefully mariogrip will keep working on it and it'll get more and more usable18:08
mhall119why_banned_studi: firefox won't run on Mir, so you'll have to figure out how to launch it under XMir and make a custom .desktop file18:08
why_banned_studiok, was wondering that is was possible with apt-get install firefox18:09
mhall119it should be, assuming there's an armhf build of it18:10
why_banned_studi?18:10
mhall119phones mostly use ARM CPUs, not x86, so you need binary apps to work with it18:11
why_banned_studii installed firefox with apt-get install firefox, but after installation there was no icon in the "desktop" to run it18:11
mhall119why_banned_studi: right, Unity 8 only uses apps with a specific field (X-Ubuntu-Touch I think)18:12
mhall119so you'd need to edit Firefox's .desktop file to include that, but even that won't be enough because you need to run it under XMir, so you'd have to change the Exec line too, and I'm not sure what needs to be done there18:12
mariogripmhall119, I will! I have been working all night trying to get wifi working, i actually fell asleep at my laptop while it was building xP18:13
mhall119why_banned_studi: long story short: It's currently possible (at least in development branches) but it's not easy or well defined yet, so be patient and it will get easier18:13
DonkeyHoteiif firefox won't run on mir, what will be the new browser on unity8?18:13
mhall119mariogrip: ah, don't over-do it, slow and steady wins the race :)18:13
mhall119DonkeyHotei: default browser is Ubuntu's webbrowser-app, which is built on Chromium18:13
ryan_evosmariogrip, did you have any luck?18:14
mhall119Firefox might eventually run on Mir, but that's going to take work from the Mozilla devs18:14
mhall119Chromium (and our browser, which is based on it) have been made to run on Mir18:14
mariogripmhall119, i'm to stubborn to give up without any result :P18:14
mhall119:)18:14
ChloeWolfieGirlmhall119 I wouldn't say its rough, what I've played with works much better then I expected its just that I had to reinstall android for text, calling etc xD     mariogrip  you're doing amazing work! :D18:14
DonkeyHoteii'm curious: would a port to a phone with a locked bootloader be possible using safestrap?18:16
mariogripryan_evos, I think it got it, just need to edit some code i hope.18:16
why_banned_studi@mhall119, ok, i'll wait with the firefox ...18:16
ChloeWolfieGirlIt feels like mariogrips like "Today wifi, tomorrow sound, in 3 days a stable daily driver"18:16
ChloeWolfieGirlx'D18:16
why_banned_studibut i have another problem, how to mount a ext4 formated sd-card permanently in ununtu-touch?18:17
mariogripI hope it was that easy :) but i think it will be some more days then 3 days :)18:17
ryan_evoswhat is working at the moment? I know you got Mir/UI working18:18
mariogripwhat i have tested that works is Graphics, Boot process, Touch, Suspend/Resume, click packages18:19
why_banned_studi@mariogrip, /media and fstab are tempsf, so what do i have to do to mount it permanent?18:19
ogra_di you add the apparmor patches already ?18:19
ChloeWolfieGirlmariogrip haha xD  I'm just saying about how fast working you are and "stubborn" xD  Its admirable18:21
mhall119ChloeWolfieGirl: day 4: take over the world?18:23
ChloeWolfieGirlmhall119 haha YES xD18:23
peat-psuwitIs it possible to add file in Ubuntu root from Android system.img?18:23
ogra_peat-psuwit, what do you need to add ?18:24
mariogripogra_ it seems to work, i haven't do a lot testing with click, but i did a quick test, and it seems to work... I will do some more testing on it18:24
peat-psuwitogra_, udev rules and display.conf18:25
ogra_it is possible to bind mount files from the container on top of a file in the rootfs ... but for that the target file needs to exist18:25
ogra_ah, we have generic files that you can use as mountpoint for this18:25
ogra_peat-psuwit, just make sure to put your udev rule as 70-android.rules into ubuntu/lib/udev/rules.d in your tree18:26
ogra_for the GRID_UNIT_PX you want ubuntu/etc/ubuntu-touch-session.d/android.conf18:27
peat-psuwitogra_: Isn't it named after device codename?18:29
ogra_not anymore18:33
ogra_that way you dontn need to make any changes to the rootfs18:33
peat-psuwitogra_: Ok, rebuilding system.img18:35
mariogripI guess getting ubuntu touch work with multirom, i can make a flash-able bootimage, then flash that as a new multirom. then copy system.img into the data folder of the multirom rom. this is idea, don't know if it will work18:35
mariogripTassadar ^ will that work?18:36
peat-psuwitBy the way, do you have any clue about powerd-config.xml?18:36
ChloeWolfieGirlmariogrip if ubuntu touch worked on the opo with wi-fi, would I beable to update the device software etc via the updater in system settings, or would there still be flashing images every update which isnt from canonical?18:37
Tassadarmariogrip: not as is, no.18:38
mariogripChloeWolfieGirl I will setup a ota server when it getting closer to stable, then you will get updates directly to your device from me18:38
ChloeWolfieGirlmariogrip you super star x318:39
Vercis it a bug if gmail app does not work. It shows black screen and gmail icon and breaks. Calculator the same18:39
mariogripChloeWolfieGirl you super girl x318:39
ChloeWolfieGirlmariogrip oh gosh xD not even18:41
mhall119you are both awesome, and don't even argue otherwise18:41
popeyVerc: sure, is this a clean install?18:43
ogra_works fine here18:43
mariogripmhall119, don't worry, she is just flirting with me :P18:44
l3onHi, I think this guide is confusing and wrong in examples: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/content-hub-guide/18:44
VercYea. Ive installed devel today from PCs cache. Since then those apps have not worked18:44
l3onagainst which package can I file a bug ?18:44
ogra_Verc, did you make the system writable at any point ?18:45
ChloeWolfieGirlmariogrip OMG I'm not flirting xD you both shush about this x'D mariogrip mhall119 OMG x'D18:45
mariogriphehehe :P18:45
ogra_lol18:45
mhall119that's okay mariogrip, *I'll* still flirt with you ;)18:46
VercI don't know whar are you talking about18:46
mariogriplol :D18:46
ChloeWolfieGirl:,D I love you guys xD omg18:46
popeywise. moving on.18:46
popeyVerc: did you make the phone read/write?18:47
VercNot that I know of18:51
popeyinteresting, wonder what changed18:52
Verc I have reinstalled it and the same happens18:54
VercShould I report a bug?18:57
labsinHi, I'm getting "Invalid clone.bundle file; ignoring." errors when executing phablet-dev-bootstrap. Should I just let it run?19:13
mariogripShuld upstartPropertyWatcher is spaming this in logcat with this: I/UpstartPropertyWatcher(  625): Property changed: init.svc.ril-daemon=running19:28
mariogripI/UpstartPropertyWatcher(  625): Property changed: init.svc.ril-daemon=restarting  is that normal?19:28
mariogripcorrect: Should upstartPropertyWatcher spam logcat with this:19:30
why_banned_studino idea for today?19:40
why_banned_studi@mhall119, can you give me an advise how to make a custom .desktop i am still missing a thunar or nautilis in my default image, there is also no terminal in the default image ... :(19:58
mhall119why_banned_studi: can you install the terminal from the Click store?19:59
popeythunar or nautilus won't work on the phone19:59
why_banned_studiwithout an account, no19:59
popeyyou can get the source and build a click yourself and install it20:01
why_banned_studiwhere do i get the source?20:01
why_banned_studithat is what i am missing on the ubuntu-touch, git clone, make, make install ...20:02
why_banned_studi@popey, how?20:06
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popeywhy_banned_studi: source for the terminal is at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app20:11
mariogrip1,145 views on my video :O so many has seen my bad video!20:12
popeyyay120:12
why_banned_studi@popey, i don't understand that, how do clone the git and make a "make"?20:14
popeywhy_banned_studi: we dont use git20:15
why_banned_studiok, how to install that on my device?20:15
mariogriphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building20:15
kenvandinetedg, what is mir-connection-demangler in pay-service for?20:15
mariogripah, never mind, just forget my post, i didn't read all of the it...20:17
popeywhy_banned_studi: probably easier to get grab a click from my mirror20:17
popeywhy_banned_studi: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/20:17
popeywhy_banned_studi: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/02/2015-02-27-050001/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click for example20:18
why_banned_studi@popey, i was happy to install the ubuntu-touch without help from bq or this channel on my device. I also figured out how to change the "image-channel" without help, but now i need help, because there is not terminal/nor filebrowser in the "default" image. Now i can just make adb shell ...20:21
tedgkenvandine, Gets the FD from the service to the client20:21
sebokiehello20:21
tedgkenvandine, Basically you need to transfer the FD using the kernel so that it gets from one FD table to the other.20:21
popeywhy_banned_studi: get that click package I just linked to20:21
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tedgkenvandine, The service throws it to the kernel, the demangler pulls it back out.20:21
sebokieis it possible to install normal ubuntu packages on ubuntu-touch?20:22
tedgkenvandine, Then it exec's the actual client so that it inherits that FD table20:22
why_banned_studi@popey, there are only png?20:22
popey               http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/02/2015-02-27-050001/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click20:22
popeywhy_banned_studi: ^ that is not a png20:22
why_banned_studihow to install http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/20:23
why_banned_studi?20:23
tedgpopey,20:23
tedgBother20:23
popeywhy_banned_studi: pkcon install-local --allow-unauthenticated  filename.click20:23
tedgkenvandine, Does that make sense?20:23
popeyno, thats wrong20:23
popeywhy_banned_studi: pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted filename.click20:24
tedgThe question is whether some random guy name after a cartoon sailor can be trusted :-)20:24
popey:)20:24
why_banned_studi@popey, sorry, i do not understand that :(20:25
popeywhy_banned_studi: wget http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/02/2015-02-27-050001/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click20:26
popeywhy_banned_studi: pkcon install-local --allow-unauthenticated com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click20:26
popeyjob done20:26
why_banned_studiphablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/02/2015-02-27-050001/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click20:27
why_banned_studibash: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/02/2015-02-27-050001/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click: No such file or directory20:27
why_banned_studi?20:27
popeyyou didnt do what I said20:27
* ogra_ lols, seeing popey makes the exact same mistake with --allow-untrusted20:29
ogra_happens to me all the time ... we really should rename the option20:30
ogra_(or have an alias)20:30
why_banned_studiphablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ pkcon install-local --allow-unauthenticated com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click20:30
why_banned_studiFailed to parse command line: Unknown option --allow-unauthenticated20:30
why_banned_studiphablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$20:30
why_banned_studi?20:30
ogra_--allow-untrusted20:31
kenvandinetedg, oh... so it needs more than just MIR_SOCKET=fd://19 or whatever20:33
tedgkenvandine, Well, that's all it needs. That number just needs to be a valid FD.20:34
popeywhy_banned_studi: right , so wget http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/02/2015-02-27-050001/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click20:34
kenvandineoh... wait... you do that to actually query the pay-service to get that20:34
tedgkenvandine, But it's an index to a table. So the kernel is the one that you need to get the index from.20:34
why_banned_studithanks !!! "pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click" worked !!!20:34
popeythen pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.49_armhf.click20:34
popeysuper!20:34
popeywhy_banned_studi: you can do that for any of the clicks in that directory on the website20:34
popey(any armhf or multi ones)20:35
kenvandinetedg, i'm passing that in APP_URIS20:35
why_banned_studii was allwas looking for a .deb. ipk or thometing like taht ....20:35
tedgkenvandine, You can't20:35
tedgkenvandine, The number is different for each process20:35
kenvandinethat's what mardy was doing...20:35
tedgkenvandine, Mardy was execing the process out of the main service so it inherited his whole file table.20:36
kenvandinethat's what he ended up doing20:36
kenvandinebut first he tried to use ubuntu_app_launch_start_multiple_helper wit MIR_SOCKET in the uris20:37
kenvandinewith20:37
kenvandinei liked that approach...20:38
why_banned_studiok, now it is under utilities ... big thanks :)20:38
tedgpopey, Why do you have all those clicks on your webserver?20:38
popeytedg: why not?20:38
mhall119tedg: popey has *everything* on his webserver20:39
kenvandinetedg, because i find it useful to download old clicks for update testing in settings :)20:39
mhall119that's why he needs to many sub-domains20:39
tedgpopey, That's a mighty big webserver you have.20:39
kenvandinetedg, popey probably has a copy of your kids photos on his web server :)20:39
popeyhaha20:39
popeyIt's an HP Microserver20:39
why_banned_studi@popey, thanks !!!20:39
mhall119tedg: little known fact, both the Ubuntu archives *and* the Debian archives are just mirrors for popey's server20:40
popeywhy_banned_studi: no problem20:40
mhall119http://xkcd.com/908/ is based on the true story of popey's server20:41
Vercexcuse me but I was out. Was any reply posted here to my previous post about gmail app?20:41
tedgThe entire NSA data collection program was created to try to one-up popey, they failed.20:41
mhall119tedg: yeah, popey actually has a copy of that NSA program, on his server20:41
mhall119it was the recursion that their code couldn't handle20:41
kenvandinetedg, so i'm going to need my own mir-connection-demangler20:42
tedgkenvandine, Yes, or you can steal mine.20:43
kenvandinewell, i'd have to copy it :)20:43
* tedg quickly patents it20:43
kenvandinetedg, you have a dbus call to pay-service in there, what does that return?20:44
ChloeWolfieGirlis popey 's server still ontop of his fridge?20:44
tedgkenvandine, It transfers the file descriptor. I found using DBus easier there.20:44
popey\o/ no20:44
popeyits now next to me20:44
popeyso i have the disks spin down20:44
tedgkenvandine, You can do it with a different socket type if you want. DBus was just easy.20:44
popeythen I know when someone is hitting my server because the disks spin up again20:44
ChloeWolfieGirlHaha xD fair20:45
kenvandinetedg, dbus is probably good, i'll just need to add a dbus api to retrieve this20:45
kenvandinetedg, so PAY_SERVICE_MIR_SOCKET is argv[0] on exec-tool20:48
kenvandinewhere does that come from?20:48
kenvandineand the demangler uses that20:48
kenvandinetedg, is that the FD from the service?  and the service looks that up and passes the real FD back?20:50
VercNow besides gmail app the telephone reboots when it wants20:51
tedgkenvandine, Mir creates and FD via the trusted session. Then that FD is what the client needs to connect to.20:53
tedgkenvandine, Getting the FD: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/pay-service/trunk.15.04/view/head:/service/purchase-ual.cpp#L23220:54
tedgkenvandine, Sending it over DBus: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/pay-service/trunk.15.04/view/head:/service/purchase-ual.cpp#L26620:55
tedgkenvandine, All in all, really wish Mir would give us a socket instead of an FD. But couldn't talk them into that.20:57
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* jgdx gets 0.10 avg cpu usage on vivid in textual mode21:05
kenvandinetedg, yeah, this is more complex than i thought... i guess i'll be adding another dbus function here21:05
tedgkenvandine, I put it on a unique path just to make harder to guess in the microsecond it's available.21:08
tedgkenvandine, Not sure if a real security implication, but eh, someone could slip in and... not really sure what.21:08
lotophagoshello21:27
mardytedg, kenvandine: right, now I remember that the fact that I would have had to implement fd passing was the reason why I finally opted for using just QProcess instead :-)21:43
kenvandinemardy, now we figure it out :)21:44
tedgYou can do it kenvandine!21:44
mardytedg, kenvandine: since my original code was based on QProcess, I decided that it was easier just to continue working with that21:44
kenvandinei think this is still a better solution for content-hub21:44
* tedg gets out the cheerleader outfit to encourage kenvandine21:44
mardykenvandine: yeah, sorry, I blame my bad memory21:45
kenvandinemardy, well your old branch was much nicer to work with than looking at what pay-service does :)21:45
tedgOuch!21:45
kenvandinehehe21:45
kenvandinetedg, i've become more accustomed to the Qt way... than your g_ way :)21:46
kenvandinewhat have i become :)21:46
jgdxpitti, thanks for python-dbusmock 0.13! :)21:46
kenvandinemardy, so basically this branch didn't really work right? almost did though21:47
kenvandinei assume21:47
tedgkenvandine, That code is a little tricky as it's multithreaded C++ using GLib.21:47
kenvandineyeah...21:47
kenvandinei already have a dbus service running, which is what's creating the session to start with21:47
kenvandineso i just need to add a GetMirSocket function to look it up by index and get the handle21:48
kenvandineso the service passes 19 to the untrusted helper, which calls the demangler to call GetMirSocket with 19 to get the handle for the FD21:48
kenvandinetedg, right?21:48
tedgYeah, file handles are interesting beasts. Generally they're so abstracted in most platforms you don't realize how they really function.21:49
kenvandineyeah, i've never needed to21:49
tedgkenvandine, Kinda, it's important to remember what is 19 to the service could be 5 for the helper.21:49
kenvandineyes21:49
kenvandinebut it's going to return the handle right?21:49
tedgYou're not passing the number per se21:49
tedgYes21:49
kenvandinei'm passing the number in though21:50
tedgYou're passing the pointer in, and getting a pointer out, but they are in different memory spaces even if they point to the same thing.21:50
kenvandinehumm21:50
kenvandinei get CONTENT_HUB_MIR_SOCKET as argv[0] in my helper21:51
kenvandinewhich is just the int21:51
kenvandinethen call the demangler to get the handle21:52
kenvandinetedg, oh... so the demangler becomes the exec21:53
kenvandineprepending the actually APP_EXEC21:54
tedgkenvandine, Sorry wife called21:57
tedgkenvandine, Yes, it runs first. The key is that it's confined.21:57
kenvandineyeah21:57
kenvandinei think i'm understanding21:57
tedgkenvandine, So exec-tool is unconfined, demangler is confined.21:57
kenvandineyeah21:57
adrian47Can someone help with usb (and adb), I am building UT on this notebok but i need to use other notebook for adb and fastbot flashing....21:58
adrian47When i connect phone to usb, i don't see it at lsusb21:59
adrian47I tried many method's that i found, nothing worked22:02
AzelphurHey folks, Running Ubuntu touch on my Nexus 7, do bluetooth keyboards work? Mine shows up in connect a device but I can't click on it or do anything, maybe user error though22:32
jgdxAzelphur, you could check if a bug is filed for that in bluez: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/ — There's a bunch of keyboard bugs reported.22:36
TEPHello everybody. Is it a good time ?22:47
TEPare there any good friend that have some time spending for helping an confused soul tonight ?22:49
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Azelphurjgdx: if it's a problem in bluez, would it be worth testing the keyboard with my laptop running Xubuntu?22:51
Azelphursince in theory they are both running bluez and would thus both have the same fault?22:51
TEPis it possible a kind person here can connect remotly to my computer and set up ubuntu to my desktop and show me a bit?22:54
AzelphurTEP: It's impossible, you'd need KVM/IP hardware. You should read a guide and be sure to take backups, besides that, this is for Ubuntu touch, not Ubuntu desktop.22:55
TEPThank you for information.22:55
ChloeWolfieGirl_Azelphur would this channel also be for the unity8 with mir desktop since its the same code and convergence etc?22:56
AzelphurChloeWolfieGirl_: no clue22:57
ChloeWolfieGirl_Azelphur fair enough :P22:57
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VercHave you got any idea what is that:23:09
Verchttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10457344/23:09
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matv1just loaded the latest devel proposed on my mako but i cant get the phone to mount when connected to my comp with usb, i've enabled developer mode and the device isnt locked. I must be missing something obvious??23:58
matv1i can however adb shell into it23:59

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