[05:20] <Kilos> morning all
[05:40] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[06:04] <Kilos> Padroni  you early today
[06:06] <Kilos> http://techrights.org/2015/02/14/patent-blackmail-tactic/
[06:18] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[07:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:06] <Kilos> Maaz  hi
[07:06] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[07:41] <inetpro> Maaz: goeie more
[07:41] <Maaz> inetpro: Sorry...
[07:41] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos and everyone else
[07:42] <Kilos> hi there inetpro  
[07:45] <Kilos> Maaz  goeie more
[07:45] <Maaz> En goeie more vir jou ook Kilos Geniet jou dag.
[07:45] <Kilos> Maaz  botsnack
[07:45] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[07:46] <Kilos> inetpro  latest full circle mag has some interesting reading
[07:46] <Kilos> you mos like rewading
[07:46] <Kilos> reading too
[07:47] <inetpro> link?
[07:47] <Kilos> sec
[07:47] <Kilos> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-94/
[07:49] <Kilos> especially page 30 and on
[07:51] <Kilos> for once i have spare data so i downloaded it
[07:51] <Kilos> 11MB about
[07:51] <Kilos> many interesating articles
[07:52] <Kilos> interesting
[07:53] <inetpro> yep, looks very interesting
[07:54] <inetpro> wish I could have that as a glossy magazine on my coffee table
[07:54] <Kilos> yeah
[07:54] <inetpro> too much to read in one go
[07:54] <Kilos> much too much
[07:55] <mopkop> Good morning all!
[07:55] <Kilos> am i right in saying 12.04 is supported longer than 14.04
[07:56] <Kilos> hi mopkop  
[07:56]  * Kilos busy upgrading 12.04 on my pc-repair stick
[08:01] <Kilos> mopkop  get this http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-94/
[08:02] <mopkop> Seems nice, Thank you, I'll look at it :)
[08:02] <Kilos> yw lots of interesting articles in there
[08:03] <Kilos> you know how to download it hey?
[08:03] <mopkop> Yoou mean other than the pdf?
[08:04] <Kilos> lol i dunno i right click it and choose save  as
[08:04] <mopkop> Yea, I just clicked on it and firefox opened the pdf viewer - it has a download button :0
[08:05] <inetpro> wb mopkop
[08:05] <mopkop> Hello inetpro!
[08:06] <Kilos> ah you firefox peeps
[08:06] <inetpro> Kilos: what do you mean with, "am i right in saying 12.04 is supported longer than 14.04"?
[08:07] <Kilos> well im sure i saw somewhere 12.04 is supported til 2017 and 14.04 not so long
[08:07] <mopkop> 14.04 is Until 2019, as far as I know.
[08:07] <inetpro> Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[08:08] <Kilos> oh yay ty for that
[08:08] <Kilos> i love 14.04 kde style
[08:10] <mopkop> Has anyone tried any mooc's recently?
[08:10] <mopkop> https://www.mooc-list.com/
[08:12] <GuessWho> more inetpro mopkop Kilos 
[08:12] <mopkop> Goeie more!
[08:13] <Kilos> more GuessWho  
[08:13]  * Kilos watches inetpro
[08:15] <mopkop> how do you make emotes?
[08:15] <mopkop> The *** Thing
[08:16] <Kilos>  type /me and message
[08:16] <inetpro> GuessWho trying to be clever?
[08:16] <inetpro> Kilos: greet him
[08:16] <Kilos> i did
[08:17] <Kilos> hi GuessWho  
[08:17] <inetpro> ai!
[08:17] <GuessWho> ek het mos gegroet Kilos 
[08:18] <inetpro> mopkop: please excuse them bots
[08:18]  * mopkop is grateful for the advice 
[08:18] <mopkop> Lol, I'm enjoying this :)
[08:18] <Kilos> inetpro  what bots?
[08:19] <inetpro> Kilos is our greeter bot and GuessWho is the kilos greeter bot
[08:19] <Kilos> haha slim kind
[08:20] <GuessWho> this is running from my pc-repair stick. so if you see it then you know im fixing something
[08:20] <inetpro> mopkop: clearly we haven't done the mooc stuff here, at least not me
[08:21] <Kilos> everyone else is shopping atm
[08:21] <mopkop> Yes neither have I, I was hoping to get some opinions on it.
[08:22] <Kilos> mopkop  hear from the fly what you should study first, he knows most things
[08:23] <Kilos> and when you break something ask Mr. fixit
[08:23] <mopkop> The best way to learn is to break things :)
[08:24] <mopkop> I'll keep that in mind, thank you.
[08:24]  * inetpro likes that attitude
[08:24] <inetpro> break it quickly
[08:24] <Kilos> i know i have broken everything except kubuntu 14.04
[08:26] <GuessWho> ok guys cheers for now
[08:26] <inetpro> bye GuessWho
[08:27] <inetpro> Kilos: is mopkop listed on our members page yet?
[08:27] <Kilos> i dont think so
[08:27] <mopkop> Must I be an official member?
[08:27] <Kilos> lemme try find it
[08:27] <Kilos> no
[08:27] <Kilos> just member of ubuntu-za
[08:28] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[08:28] <inetpro> Kilos: your date is incorrect
[08:29] <inetpro> Ubuntu member since
[08:29] <inetpro> that is the date when you became official member
[08:29] <inetpro> supposedly
[08:29] <Kilos> i couldnt find the correct dates
[08:29] <Kilos> oh
[08:29] <Kilos> i go fix
[08:29] <Kilos> but dont know when that was either
[08:30] <Kilos> sigh
[08:30] <inetpro> it's on the LP page
[08:30] <inetpro> Latest memberships:  Ubuntu Members - Joined on 2015-02-06 
[08:30] <Kilos> ty sir
[08:31] <inetpro> ai!
[08:31]  * inetpro actually had it listed correctly and he changed it
[08:32] <Kilos> what now?
[08:32] <inetpro> mopkop: this is an informal list of members just for our own purposes
[08:33] <inetpro> helps us to remember who's who in the zoo
[08:34] <mopkop> I see...
[08:34] <Kilos> mopkop  tell us a bit about yourself
[08:34] <inetpro> we have many more members than that, Kilos just has not found the time to tag and count all his sheep yet
[08:34] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <Kilos> i cant keep up with all the to do stuff
[08:36] <Kilos> need to get the africa site finished so i can just do irc again
[08:37] <Kilos> outside world interferes too much
[08:39] <inetpro> Kilos: if you check out my branch you'll see the wui working again
[08:39] <inetpro> see: https://code.launchpad.net/~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/fixbase/+merge/250556
[08:40]  * inetpro has proposed a merge
[08:40] <Kilos> yay ty so much
[08:40] <inetpro> uh
[08:40] <Kilos> can you remind fly please
[08:40] <inetpro> we're still waiting for superfly to calm down again and check it out
[08:41] <mopkop> Ok, My name is Ashton van Niekerk, I'm a 4th year theology student at Unisa - Next year I'm going to UP for my post-graduate studies. I'm a very curious person, for those who know the MBTI, im INFP/INTP. At my church I am kind of the IT guy, managing the website and so on. I only recently installed Ubuntu (only two days ago) so I'm quit new at this. I have a lot of experience in Volunteer projects, so I like working with other v
[08:42] <Kilos> ty mopkop  keep it up 
[08:42] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[08:43] <Kilos> oh the other one too
[08:43] <mopkop> Good morning Padroni!
[08:45] <Kilos> inetpro  did you work from twit?
[08:45] <inetpro> Kilos: yes
[08:45] <inetpro> but not the last one
[08:46] <Kilos> but basically you can see the site with most of the stuffs relevant to africa hey?
[08:47] <inetpro> Kilos: branch it and see for yourself
[08:47] <Kilos> nono im touching nothing there atm
[08:47] <Kilos> ill break stuffs again
[08:48] <inetpro> just don't commit anything before superfly has had a look
[08:48] <inetpro> Kilos: commit is like uploading
[08:48] <inetpro> merge is down locally
[08:48] <inetpro> done
[08:49] <Kilos> so i can do bzr merge safely here?
[08:49] <inetpro> after updating your trunk with 'bzr up' you can safely do the merge locally to test
[08:49] <inetpro> To merge this branch: 	bzr merge lp:~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/fixbase
[08:49] <inetpro> that is from within an updated trunk
[08:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:51] <Kilos> dont you think mopkop  is a good candidate for kde?
[08:51] <mopkop> KDE?
[08:51] <inetpro> try it, and if you break it, so be it
[08:51] <mopkop> Thr UI?
[08:51] <mopkop> The
[08:51] <Kilos> kubuntu 14.04
[08:52] <mopkop> Yes, I've heard about it. 
[08:52] <mopkop> What do you mean, canidate?
[08:52] <Kilos> its very different from the unity interface but works better once used to it imo
[08:52] <Kilos> customer
[08:52] <inetpro> Kilos: that is your opinion!
[08:52] <Kilos> candidate 
[08:53] <Kilos> yes i said so
[08:53] <inetpro> oh and also my opinion... but that's irellevant
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[08:53]  * inetpro 's opinion doens't count for anything 
[08:54] <Kilos> and thats only in his own opinion
[08:54] <mopkop> Personally, I like Unity. I haven't tried KDE though.
[08:54] <Kilos> you havent got the name Mr. fixit for nothing
[08:54] <mopkop> Is it like Windows?
[08:54] <inetpro> mopkop: create yourself a page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mopkop
[08:55] <Kilos> some say so but i dont see the similarity
[08:58] <mopkop> Have anyone here done the MBTI test before? I'm curious.
[09:00] <Kilos> inetpro  i hope you have a backup of the stuffs
[09:00] <inetpro> mopkop: not me
[09:00] <Kilos> nor me
[09:00] <inetpro> what is MBTI anyway?
[09:00] <mopkop> I't a personality test. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
[09:01] <inetpro> Kilos: it is version controlled!
[09:01] <inetpro> oh goodness
[09:01] <Kilos> i cant do that mopkop  i lost mine
[09:01] <mopkop> lol
[09:02] <inetpro> mopkop: I've done too many of those in my life to even remember 
[09:02] <Kilos> you can see me on my blog
[09:02] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.blog
[09:02] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[09:04] <mopkop> The MBTI is a very useful tool for predicting how people will react to certain situations and what decisions they will make. 
[09:04] <inetpro> haha Kilos, you brought that back from the archives?
[09:04] <mopkop> Good morning magellanic!
[09:04] <magellanic> hi all
[09:04] <magellanic> :)
[09:04] <Kilos> im slowly trying to get it back
[09:05] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[09:05] <inetpro> Kilos: I remember that one
[09:05] <inetpro> sad that we don't have floss.pro any more
[09:05] <magellanic> anyone coming to scaleconf?
[09:05] <Kilos> yeah
[09:05] <mopkop> Where's that?
[09:06] <magellanic> cape town
[09:06] <inetpro> mopkop: you mean where was that?
[09:06] <inetpro> it's dead
[09:07] <mopkop> But... http://scaleconf.org/purchase/
[09:08] <magellanic> :(
[09:08] <inetpro> magellanic: if you pay my flight ticket
[09:09] <magellanic> can't afford to :/
[09:09] <magellanic> soz
[09:09] <inetpro> :-(
[09:10] <Kilos> man inetpro  i cant merge bzr merge lp:~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/fixbase
[09:11] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[09:11] <Kilos> it says there are uncommited changes
[09:11] <magellanic> I'll be in the same boat for pyconza, it is in jhb this year
[09:11] <inetpro> Kilos: did you do bzr up?
[09:11] <Kilos> ya
[09:12] <inetpro> ahh... you meade changes locally?
[09:12] <inetpro> made*
[09:12] <Kilos> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-africa
[09:12] <Kilos> ai!
[09:13] <inetpro> Kilos: it's bacause you maded changes locally on your trunk
[09:13] <Kilos> Tree is up to date at revision 4 of branch
[09:13] <Kilos> i havent even looked at it since you said leave it for fly
[09:13] <inetpro> ai... fingers trouble
[09:13] <inetpro> Kilos: you made changes before I said leave it
[09:14] <Kilos> ai!
[09:14] <inetpro> you should never work on trunk!!!
[09:14] <Kilos> i didnt only on twit
[09:14] <Kilos> thats where i am now
[09:14] <inetpro> bzr status
[09:15] <inetpro> nee man!!!
[09:15] <inetpro> go to trunk
[09:15] <inetpro> then bzr up
[09:15] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption
[09:15] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[09:16] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/5cuvj
[09:16] <inetpro> Kilos: stop making assumptions
[09:16] <Kilos> ai! again
[09:16] <inetpro> Kilos: cd ~/Projects/ubuntu-africa/trunk
[09:16] <inetpro> ai!
[09:17] <Kilos> you just said never work on trunk
[09:17] <Kilos> so im in twit
[09:17] <inetpro> Kilos: unless you do a merge
[09:17] <Kilos> ah
[09:18] <Kilos> lemme try that
[09:19] <inetpro> when I say, don't work on trunk I really mean you should not modify the code on trunk
[09:20] <Kilos> its doing something
[09:20] <inetpro> first branch it off to another folder, then modify, hack, hack, hack... commit your branch, ask someone to review, then propose a merge
[09:21] <Kilos> nono i cant hack hack man i copy/paste
[09:21] <Kilos> 20 conflicts encountered.
[09:21] <inetpro> Kilos: did you do bzr up?
[09:23] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/jakts
[09:23] <Kilos> this bin is lekker
[09:24] <inetpro> Kilos: remove your cache folder
[09:24] <inetpro> and output
[09:25] <inetpro> nikola will recreate it
[09:25] <inetpro> now do a last bzr up just to make sure
[09:25] <Kilos> i need to find the cache first
[09:26] <inetpro> Kilos: rm -rf ~/Projects/ubuntu-africa/trunk/{cache,output}
[09:27] <Kilos> ty sir
[09:29] <Kilos> i did bzr up
[09:29] <Kilos> then bzr merge lp:~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/fixbase
[09:30] <Kilos> result - bzr: ERROR: Working tree "/home/miles/Projects/ubuntu-africa/trunk/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status).
[09:30] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:35]  * inetpro trying it locally first
[09:44] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry oom
[09:44]  * inetpro should have done a bit of research first
[09:45] <inetpro> still busy with it but I know what the problem is
[09:46] <inetpro> conflicting because I removed the cache and output folders and then added the .bzrignore at the same time
[09:46]  * inetpro need to find a way to force the merge 
[09:47] <Kilos> np
[09:48] <inetpro> thought it would be simple, and maybe it is
[09:48] <Kilos> ive gotta move sheeps anyway and help sis offload shopping
[09:48] <Kilos> good luck
[09:48] <inetpro> but that is why I wanted the fly to look at it first
[09:48] <inetpro> am sure we'll find a solution
[09:48] <inetpro> not problemo
[09:49]  * inetpro also have other things to deal with
[09:57] <Kilos> life and days just too short to get to everything
[10:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:19] <Kilos> yay it wasnt something i broke
[10:58] <Kilos> mopkop  learn python man
[11:00] <mopkop> I'll try :)
[11:00] <Kilos> hehe
[11:00] <mopkop> Now I have a community to help me :)
[11:02] <Kilos> once youve done that and upgraded our bot db to python 3 then you can learn bzr
[11:02] <Kilos> then you can build your church site static
[11:03] <Kilos> much faster and more secure
[11:19] <mopkop> Sorry Internet dropped.
[11:20] <mopkop> Is bzr like git?
[11:22] <tumbleweed> yes
[11:22] <Kilos> morning tumbleweed  hows things by you?
[11:23] <tumbleweed> Kilos: good. Visiting Cape Town for a week
[11:23] <Kilos> lekker
[11:24] <Kilos> sorry for all the notifications from the wiki
[11:24] <tumbleweed> that sounds like a good thing :)
[11:24] <Kilos> haha mostly me making mistakes
[11:24] <tumbleweed> congrats on your membership
[11:24] <Kilos> have to do edit a bit then see what it looks like first before carrying on
[11:25] <tumbleweed> there is a Preview button :P
[11:25] <Kilos> ty and ty for the estimonial too
[11:25] <tumbleweed> ...only *just* in time...
[11:25] <Kilos> ill look for that next time ty
[11:26] <Kilos> just in time is way better than late or never
[11:27] <Kilos> next we gotta push the pro
[11:36] <magellanic> there's some flu making its rounds in cape town, doze up on vitamins and stuff
[11:39] <mopkop> What should I include on my wiki page?
[11:42] <Kilos> you will use it later when you apply for membership so put what you can in atm
[11:42] <Kilos> mopkop  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly
[11:48] <Kilos> oh tumbleweed  will you update your dates here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members please
[11:49] <mopkop> Ok, Thank You So about me and contact info. And maybe my philosophy. I'll leave the Contribution and Testimonials until I actualy do something.
[11:50] <Kilos> cool
[11:50] <mopkop> Is there anything I can help with other than coding?
[11:51] <Kilos> when im sleeping you can be the greeter bot 
[11:51] <Kilos> hehe
[11:51] <mopkop> lol
[11:52] <Kilos> basically get to know the guys here and try remember what they can do
[11:52] <Kilos> then when a noob needs help you can either help or ponit them to the right person that knows
[11:53] <Kilos> point
[11:53] <mopkop> IRC support, I can do :)
[11:53] <Kilos> yay
[11:53] <mopkop> BRB, have to log into windows for a sec.
[11:53] <Kilos> ouch
[11:55] <mopkop> Yea, unfortunately libre office is not that good with MS Office layout. So if someone sends me a document I need to use windows. I'll install Pidgin on Windows too :)
[12:00] <Kilos> wb mopkop  
[12:01] <mopkop> Hello, from Windows :)
[12:01] <Kilos> sympathies
[12:02] <mopkop> Still waiting for thunderbird to open....
[12:07] <magellanic> mopkop: tried google docs for ms office files?
[12:09] <mopkop> Not yet.
[12:10] <mopkop> Can it convert pdf files?
[12:10] <mopkop> Or Publisher to pdf?
[12:10] <charl> good afternoon
[12:10] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[12:10]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[12:10] <Kilos> hi charl  
[12:10] <charl> hi Kilos 
[12:10] <mopkop> Hello Charl!
[12:11] <charl> hi mopkop 
[12:11] <Kilos> charl  how do you view ms office documents
[12:11] <charl> use libreoffice or ask for pdf
 Yea, unfortunately libre office is not that good with MS Office layout. 
[12:12] <magellanic> mopkop: yeah, you can choose to open a pdf in drive as a google doc, it turns it into an editable doc for you. You can then export to pdf as well
[12:12] <Kilos> help mopkop  please
[12:12] <mopkop> Can it combine files into pdf?
[12:14] <magellanic> maaz google combine google docs convert to pdf
[12:14] <Maaz> magellanic: "10 Tips To Do More With Your PDF Files On Google Drive" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-tips-pdf-files-google-drive/ :: "The Best PDF Tools and Apps - Adobe PDF Guide - Digital Inspiration" http://www.labnol.org/software/adobe-pdf-guide-tutorial/6296/ :: "How to Merge PDF Files On A Chromebook - OMG! Chrome!" http://www.omgchrome.com/merge-pdfs-google-
[12:14] <Maaz> chrome-chromebook/ :: "Best PDF Software - Power PDF Standard | Nuance | Nuance" http://w…
[12:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:15] <magellanic> maaz coffee for me?
[12:15] <Maaz> magellanic: Excuse me?
[12:15] <charl> Maaz: danke
[12:15] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[12:15] <charl> mopkop: it's true libreoffice is not very good with ms office files
[12:15] <charl> mopkop: best way is simply to always ask for a pdf version
[12:16] <magellanic> what version of libre office though? there was a new release with improved support I believe
[12:16] <charl> every version gets better
[12:16] <charl> and then ms releases a new version of office and breaks things again
[12:18] <mopkop> You see the problem is I get two documents. One in MS Word and one in MS Publisher. Then I have to combine into one document. I can ask for 2 pdf's but then it becomes difficult to copy-paste the info onto the website.
[12:19] <charl> yeah pdf is horrible with copy and paste
[12:19] <charl> how do you mean you need to combine them into one document ?
[12:19] <charl> manually combine the two and make a web page out of it ?
[12:20] <mopkop> No, uhm, here is a link to last week's newsletter. http://ngkwonderboom.co.za/www/index.php/argiewe/gebedsbriewe/829-gebedsbrief-22-februarie-2015
[12:20] <mopkop> And then I also have the pdf http://ngkwonderboom.co.za/docs/gebedsbriewe/Gebedsbrief-2015-02-22.pdf
[12:23] <mopkop> The pdf is necessarry because some people like to print it, and also because it contains some information I do not put on the web, like the advertisements and new members.
[12:24] <magellanic> what does publisher do for you then?
[12:24] <mopkop> The dominee makes the last two pages of the newsletter in Publisher. 
[12:25] <mopkop> I Combine this with the first two pages (Word) into one downloadable pdf.
[12:33] <magellanic> oh okay
[12:36] <charl> sorry i don't have any real office experience to talk of so hard for me to give advice
[12:36] <charl> but the suggestion of using google docs as an alternative to libreoffice sounds good
[12:41] <mopkop> I'll look into it, Thank you!
[12:42] <tumbleweed> Kilos: done
[12:42] <mopkop> Then again, Microsoft has a free online suite
[12:42] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed  
[12:42] <Kilos> hi clr  
[12:42] <mopkop> Hello CLR!
[12:42] <clr> hey
[12:42] <clr> hey hey
[12:43] <clr> how are you mopkop?, Kilos? 
[12:43] <Kilos> lekker ty and you?
[12:44] <clr> ya, just using the last of my bandwidth for the month hehe. I'm downloading  Citizenfour
[12:44] <Kilos> haha 
[12:44] <clr> oh and making a playlist on deezer
[12:45] <clr> what has been happening around here?
[12:45] <mopkop> Much to be thankful for, thank you! We're discussing MS Office alternatives.
[12:46] <clr> At the meeting the other day inetpro asked for someone to make a howto to register on launchpad and sign the code of conduct
[12:46] <clr> has anyone made one yet?
[12:46] <clr> haa, ya, google docs anyone?
[12:47] <clr> kingsoft office?
[12:47] <clr> libre office?
[12:48] <clr> open office :/
[12:48] <charl> mopkop: true, office365, that is also a good thing to look at
[12:48] <mopkop> Not to my knowledge? If no-one has done it, I won't mind. I did the code of conduct thing just yesterday.
[12:49] <clr> charl, meet charl (clr)
[12:50] <Kilos> haha
[12:54] <clr> ok mopkop, have you just volunteered?
[12:54] <Kilos> lol
[12:54] <clr> Kilos will tell you where it should go
[12:55] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[12:55] <clr> no doubt Kilos will make a trello card for that
[12:55] <Kilos> not me man the pro makes them
[12:56] <clr> haa so it was his idea and he slipped up, cause I did not see a card for that
[12:57] <mopkop> Yes I'm volentering. I'll make a text-based one and one with pictures DV :)
[12:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:59] <clr> well done
[12:59] <clr> I'm still conflicted with this idea of having a gpg key and nobody has signed the damn thing
[13:00] <clr> well done mopkop, you have yourself a job hehe
[13:01] <superfly> mopkop: you can't maybe get the dominee to use Scribus instead of Publisher?
[13:05] <mopkop> Superfly: I doubt it. He doesn't like to switch programs. He simply refuses to even use Windows 8. Maybe I can ask him to send me both the Office documents AND the pdf's. He know how to convert it.
[13:05] <Kilos> stubborn dominee
[13:06] <mopkop> Hello Xethron!
[13:07] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[13:08] <mopkop> Hey guys, I'm going to buy food now, be back (with Ubuntu) in a while.
[13:08] <Kilos> ok lol
[13:16] <magellanic> heya superfly 
[13:16] <superfly> sup magellanic
[13:18] <clr> hello Xethron
[13:18] <clr> Bernhard?
[13:18] <Xethron> yo clr. Jup
[13:18] <magellanic> not much, finishing off some sys admin stuff, self?
[13:18] <Xethron> Yo Kilos
[13:18] <Xethron> and superfly
[13:18] <Xethron> And everyone else :)
[13:18] <superfly> supposedly decrypting voucher files, but our support lady is not replying...
[13:19] <Kilos> lol
[13:19] <superfly> hey Xethron
[13:19] <Xethron> clr: and you are?
[13:19]  * superfly is ready for an afternoon nap though
[13:19] <magellanic> heya Xethron 
[13:19] <magellanic> ah, you on support this weekend then?
[13:20] <superfly> yeah
[13:20] <superfly> really need to get her a laptop
[13:21] <magellanic> here she was thinking weekends are going to be weekends :P
[13:22] <Kilos> lol
[13:22] <charl> talking about google apps
[13:22] <charl> http://www.geek.com/news/google-just-spent-25-million-to-own-the-entire-app-domain-1616709/
[13:22] <superfly> magellanic: no, she has a small android phone, and she deals with any incoming calls
[13:22] <magellanic> I also need a nap though - flu thing is killing me
[13:23] <magellanic> oh shame, nice of her :)
[13:23] <superfly> but she's also supposed to buy and decrypt vouchers, and she can't really do the decrypting without a PC
[13:23] <magellanic> yeah can imagine
[13:23] <superfly> well, technically if she was on top of things, she wouldn't need to buy on the weekends... but it's a learning process
[13:23] <magellanic> ah okay
[13:24] <magellanic> we all learn best the hard way :p
[13:25] <superfly> this is not the first time it's happened, but I'm not the right person to tell her to be more forward-looking.
[13:26] <magellanic> :/
[13:26] <magellanic> charl: interesting, image they want it for app engine as well, appspot.com should be getting full I hope 
[13:41] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[13:42] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[14:25] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  
[14:26] <Kilos> oi
[14:26] <Kilos> hes scared of me already
[14:28] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos :)
[14:29] <nlsthzn> could you ping me... setting up konversation
[14:30] <Kilos> nlsthzn  ping
[14:30] <Kilos> lol
[14:30] <nlsthzn> hmmm
[14:30] <Kilos> back on kde 
[14:30] <nlsthzn> ok thanks, need to sort the sound :p
[14:30] <Kilos> i saw a new thing today
[14:31] <Kilos> you know this one? Chromixium
[14:31] <Kilos> http://chromixium.org/about/
[14:32] <nlsthzn> ping again pls?!
[14:32] <Kilos> nlsthzn  ping
[14:32] <Kilos> nlsthzn  ping
[14:32] <nlsthzn> perfect thanks :)
[14:32] <Kilos> what sound you got when nick mentioned?
[14:32] <nlsthzn> I am not a fan of chrome os...
[14:33] <nlsthzn> just a ping
[14:33] <nlsthzn> low prioroty sound
[14:33] <Kilos> pling
[14:34] <Kilos> when your nick is mentioned it should be a high priority sound like bell.ogg
[14:34] <nlsthzn> lol, it gets my attention ;)
[14:34] <Kilos> lol
[14:34] <Kilos> neelsie we need you to do some work for us please
[14:34] <Kilos> the reports thing
[14:35] <Kilos> otherwise i will never get rest
[14:36] <nlsthzn> ok uncle Kilos...  I will make that a priority tomorrow, I will do it and also make a wiki page detailing what and how and when etc... will that restore your peace?
[14:36] <Kilos> lol hopefully, i get told my sjambok is useless
[14:37] <Kilos> ty very much in advance
[14:38] <Kilos> the what and how page will be a great help too
[14:38] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[14:38] <nlsthzn> yup
[14:38] <nlsthzn> hey charl
[14:39] <nlsthzn> grrr the custom user colours not that great in konversation, so far everyone is coming up red :/
[14:39] <Kilos> oh you can change all of that till it looks like a christmas tree
[14:44] <nlsthzn> sure I have it checked :/
[14:44] <nlsthzn> oh well, will stillplay
[14:44] <Kilos> i think konversation is more conf friendly than all the others
[14:44] <nlsthzn> so some rugby soon... I suspect the Bulls are going down again :/
[14:44] <Kilos> haha
[14:45] <nlsthzn> well if it is KDE then it can be configured :p
[14:45] <Kilos> maybe the sharks will let them win so they done get totally discouraged
[14:46] <nlsthzn> that would be a handy excuse to use :)
[14:47] <Kilos> hehe
[14:56] <nlsthzn> kubuntu with the backports enabled is pretty awesome :D
[14:57]  * nlsthzn needs to get a boerewors roll and a beer ...
[14:57] <nlsthzn> go bulls!
[14:57] <Kilos> lol 
[14:57] <Kilos> go sharks
[14:57] <Kilos> whats the backports thing?
[15:00] <Squirm> Hello
[15:00] <nlsthzn> with backports you get the latest versions of KDE... it is a way to update the system without bother peeps that are happy to use what they have 
[15:00] <nlsthzn> o/ Squirm
[15:00] <nlsthzn> so now I am on kde 4.14.2
[15:00] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[15:00] <nlsthzn> while still being on kubuntu 14.04
[15:01] <Kilos> wow
[15:01] <Kilos> 4.14.2?
[15:01] <Kilos> 14.04.2
[15:01] <nlsthzn> yup
[15:01] <Kilos> ah me too
[15:01] <nlsthzn> ... just add the backports ppa and BOOM
[15:01] <Kilos> i think
[15:02] <Kilos> how much data?
[15:02] <nlsthzn> KDE 4.14.2
[15:02] <nlsthzn> oh it is a lot
[15:02] <nlsthzn> but it seems they have stopped backporting as 4.14.4 is available afaik
[15:02] <nlsthzn> it updates the whole KDE...
[15:02] <Kilos> wow
[15:02] <nlsthzn> basically most of a kubuntu install
[15:03] <Kilos> to plasma 5?
[15:03] <nlsthzn> but KDE 5 is now almost here
[15:03] <nlsthzn> not plasma 5 yet
[15:03] <nlsthzn> but close
[15:03] <nlsthzn> plasma 5 will be coming 15.04
[15:03] <Kilos> ah
[15:03] <nlsthzn> I think I will try and stay away until 16.04... LTS and also more mature
[15:04] <Kilos> thats safer for me too
[15:04] <Kilos> my 14.04 is unbreakable
[15:05] <nlsthzn> lol
[15:05] <nlsthzn> nothing can't break in linux
[15:05] <nlsthzn> where there is a terminal there is a way to fix stuff... and also break it horribly :p
[15:05] <Kilos> this has been working for a year with only one drive zero killing it
[15:07] <Kilos> grrr first blood
[15:11] <Kilos> sjoe lets get physical
[15:33] <Kilos> unfair forward pass
[15:36] <nlsthzn> all is fair in love and war
[15:36] <nlsthzn> :p
[15:37] <Kilos> hehe
[15:37] <Kilos> stop sticking your tongue out at me
[15:38]  * Kilos looks for sjambok
[15:39] <Kilos> w0000t
[15:39] <Kilos> revenge is sweet
[15:39] <nlsthzn> clearly my stream is behind
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <nlsthzn> I should stop looking here cause I saw the comment and then 2 minutes later they score :/
[15:40] <nlsthzn> pollard is playing well, tackled marcell that he lost the ball
[15:40] <Kilos> he is a brilliant player
[15:47] <nlsthzn> my stream is a slide show >.<
[15:47] <Kilos> sjoe so intense this game
[15:52] <Kilos> war is like a tennis game conpared to this
[15:52] <Kilos> compared
[15:52] <nlsthzn> glad the bulls look slightly better 
[15:55] <Kilos> yip they are getting it together
[16:08] <Kilos> oh my
[16:18] <nlsthzn> good game thus ar
[16:18] <nlsthzn> far
[16:18] <Kilos> ya
[16:18] <Kilos> my poor sharks are battling
[16:20] <Kilos> wb mopkop  
[16:20] <mopkop> Thank you
[16:20] <Maaz> mopkop: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell mopkop http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/pdftotext.1.html" 2 hours, 16 minutes and 28 seconds ago
[16:20] <Kilos> oh ya maybe you can convert things from command line
[16:21] <Kilos> i had to do that once i think
[16:22] <mopkop> Wow, I see, It's pre-installed.
[16:23] <Kilos> tell the dominee to do everything in text mode then you can convert after merging stuff
[16:24] <mopkop> I once told him just to do everything in word, but he doesn't know how. And he is way too busy to learn.
[16:24] <Kilos> eish
[16:26] <superfly> "way too busy to learn" - hah!
[16:26] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <superfly> mopkop: btw have you seen http://openlp.org ?
[16:29]  * superfly does a shameless plug
[16:29] <mopkop> superfly: Yes, indeed I have! I downloaded it, havn't tried it yet.
[16:30] <superfly> mopkop: #openlp if you have any issues
[16:30] <mopkop> Is there anyway to import new songs?
[16:30] <mopkop> Other than presentation?
[16:31] <mopkop> Ek meen, kan ek die liedboek daar insit?
[16:45] <Kilos> mopkop  ask dominee to record what he wqants to say on tape or dictaphone then you type it
[16:45] <Kilos> you dont get easier than that
[16:45] <superfly> mopkop: we don't have a liedboek import, but there are a few other importers
[16:46] <mopkop> Yea, I wondered about that, because the Church has to actually pay to use it. But since we pay anyway, I though it would be nice if we could import it.
[16:46] <mopkop> Kilos: Yea, or he can just send me an email.
[16:47] <Kilos> lol the mails will come from outlook
[16:47] <Kilos> but that can work
[16:47] <superfly> mopkop: what format do you get the songs in?
[16:48] <superfly> mopkop: what are you currently using?
[16:48] <mopkop> A program written in flash.
[16:48] <superfly> ugh
[16:48] <mopkop> We also have powerpoints for all the songs.
[16:51]  * Kilos sulks
[16:52] <superfly> Kilos: again?
[16:54] <nlsthzn> Kilos: what a game
[16:54]  * Kilos so sad
[16:54] <Kilos> nlsthzn  very very tough game
[16:54] <nlsthzn> so sharks get nothing
[16:54] <nlsthzn> and bulls get 5
[16:54] <nlsthzn> wow
[16:54] <superfly> are you guys talking about that weird "sport" thing again?
[16:55] <nlsthzn> it seemed very physical
[16:55] <Kilos> lol
[16:55] <Kilos> superfly  i enjoy watching anyone do something well
[16:55] <nlsthzn> pity for all the controversial tries
[16:55] <nlsthzn> oh well the bulls needed it
[16:55] <Kilos> something i can understand
[16:56]  * superfly doesn't understand why any grown man would want to run around a field after an oddly shaped ball that can't even bounce properly
[16:57] <superfly> doubly so when people want to hit run into you just because you have the weird ball
[16:57] <superfly> :-P
[16:57] <superfly> s/hit//
[16:57] <superfly> -_- that doesn't look too savoury
[16:57] <Kilos> lol i would enjoy watching you code if i understood it
[16:58] <superfly> Kilos: you'd be bored
[16:58] <Kilos> not if i understood
[16:59] <Kilos> i enjoyed you teamviewing me
[16:59] <superfly> even then... my boss understands, but he will walk away after a minute or two
[16:59] <Kilos> lol
[17:00] <superfly> Rynomnomnomnomster: 
[17:00] <mopkop> Hello Rynomster!
[17:01] <nlsthzn> superfly:  to each his own... everyone has something they enjoy :)
[17:02] <superfly> nlsthzn: I'm teasing more than anything else. I don't mind a little bit of cricket every now and then
[17:02] <nlsthzn> superfly: I know :p
[17:02] <superfly> and I'll watch a hockey game any day
[17:03] <nlsthzn> I have spent way to much time watching others game on twitch.tv and such sites >.<
[17:04] <Kilos> and you watched a rugger game and enjoyed it superfly  
[17:04] <superfly> now *that* is something I don't understand
[17:04] <Kilos> i remember
[17:04] <superfly> Kilos: nope
[17:04] <Kilos> yes
[17:04] <Kilos> think back
[17:04] <Kilos> quite a few years
[17:04] <Kilos> was a world champiuonship game i think
[17:05] <superfly> ai, Kilos, how am I supposed to remember a few years ago when I can barely remember 5 minutes ago?
[17:05] <Kilos> rofl
[17:05] <Kilos> you getting like me
[17:05] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:05] <superfly> Kilos: I'm not bald yet :-P
[17:06] <nlsthzn> superfly: there is a guy hand coding an entire game (everything from scratch...) and streaming it, about two hours each day and people watch that...
[17:06] <nlsthzn> people will watch anything :)
[17:07] <mopkop> This Code of conduct walkthrough thing. Will it be used for Ubuntu South Africa only, or available for everyone on the net?
[17:08] <superfly> mopkop: the Ubuntu community
[17:09] <mopkop> OK, so it's not a good Idea to use my real name and email address on the example?
[17:09] <Kilos> lol
[17:10] <superfly> mopkop: are you creating a gpg key?
[17:11] <Kilos> writing a how to for it superfly  
[17:12] <Kilos> he got his yesterday
[17:12] <superfly> ah, OK
[17:12] <superfly> yeah, don't use your real name
[17:12] <superfly> just use "example@example.com"
[17:12] <superfly> or "John Doe <john.doe@example.com>"
[17:13] <Kilos> you can maybe put it on our site by the become a member section superfly  
[17:20] <mopkop> Just confirming the OpenPGP program (gpg) is available on ubuntu by default? 
[17:20] <mopkop> GNUPG?
[17:20] <mopkop> You don't have to install anything?
[17:21] <Kilos> you generate it
[17:21] <mopkop> Yes, I mean the program to generate it.
[17:21] <Kilos> yours worked , what did you install
[17:22] <Kilos> do you have synaptic installed
[17:22] <Kilos> in synapt5ic you can see things
[17:23] <mopkop> I downloaded GNU Privacy Assistant, but removed it, and gpg still works. It even has a man-page, so I'm guessing it has nothing to do with the program I installed?
[17:23] <Kilos> if there is a man page its installed
[17:24] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude synaptic
[17:24] <Kilos> now tell me you already have aptitude
[17:25] <mopkop> It's downloading, so no, I guess...
[17:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <mopkop> What's it for?
[17:25] <Kilos> aptitude is alovely tool i use instead of apt-get
[17:26] <Kilos> fly and pro told me to use it
[17:28] <mopkop> I see. So how can I use it to figure out if this gpg program is... nevermind I'll just google it.
[17:28] <Kilos> open synaptic
[17:28] <Kilos> at the top tight is a small window
[17:29] <Kilos> type in there the program you want to see
[17:29] <Kilos> it will show you everything related
[17:30] <mopkop> I see. Thank you. Apparently gpg is a default linux command on all distros, so it will be included.
[17:31] <Kilos> you can look at man aptitude
[17:31] <Kilos> great install tool
[17:31] <mopkop> Already did :)
[17:31] <Kilos> lol
[17:32] <Kilos> it also tells you if there are some errors and gives options to fix them
[17:33] <mopkop> I see. And it does all the apt-get program does?
[17:35] <Kilos> more in my opinion
[17:36] <Kilos> some say it hasnt got supercow powers but i have superfly  so dont need supercow
[17:36] <mopkop> lol
[17:37] <Kilos> are you doing everything on one workspace?
[17:37] <mopkop> Yes, why?
[17:38] <Kilos> ubuntu gives the option to have more
[17:38] <Kilos> i use 10
[17:38] <mopkop> Yes, I know, but I don't like multi-tasking. I read somewhere it is actually less productive.
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:40] <Kilos> in synaptic you can right click on a package and choose reinstall
[17:40] <Kilos> if it says it must get some archives then it updates what you need
[17:41] <mopkop> I see, so you can update individually. I usually just use apt-get upgrade, but then it updates all my programs.
[17:42] <Kilos> run aptitude upgrade and see if there is stuff apt-get missed
[17:43] <Kilos> synaptic does each one you choose to upgrade
[17:43] <Kilos> i use apt-get update $$ sudo aptitude upgrade
[17:43] <Kilos> &&
[17:45] <mopkop> Does aptitude access a wider ranges of repositories by default?
[17:45] <Kilos> no
[17:46] <Kilos> apt-get doesnt do kernel stuffs
[17:47] <mopkop> I see, but is it prudent to update your kernel that way. Doesn't the update program on Ubuntu do that anyway? I set it to only download LTS versions.
[17:48] <Kilos> ya update manager does it, but so does aptitude which is faster
[17:49] <Kilos> i turn off automatic updates and do them when i can use night surfer data
[17:49] <mopkop> I see, but I don't have a cap, so I'm fine :)
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[17:57] <mopkop> Good evening Tonberry!
[18:25] <Tonberry> hello
[18:40] <Xethron> lol, mopkop
[18:58] <mopkop> What is a good WYSIWYG html editor for Linux?
[19:00] <Kilos> http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/287/wysiwyg-html-editor-for-linux
[19:00] <Kilos> http://bluegriffon.org/
[19:02] <Kilos> wb clr  
[19:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:54] <Kilos> night you bunch of silent ones. sleep tight
[19:54] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:54] <mopkop> Lekker slaap!
[20:02] <inetpro> good evening
[20:02] <inetpro> ai! You guys talk too much
[20:06] <inetpro> ai!
[20:07] <inetpro> 02/28 19:46:15 <Kilos> apt-get doesnt do kernel stuffs
[20:07] <inetpro> really?
[20:08] <inetpro> that's like one more wild statement amongst many others
[20:15] <inetpro> hmm... 
[20:15] <inetpro> good night
[20:45] <mopkop> Anyone still awake?
[20:46] <mopkop> I'm done with that Code-of-Conduct walk through thingy.
[20:46] <mopkop> Well the plain-text version at least.
[20:47] <mopkop> Who do I send it to for review?
[21:05] <superfly> hey mopkop
[21:06] <superfly> mopkop: were you intending putting it on the website?
[21:06] <mopkop> I do not know. Someone asked for it to be done, and I did it. You can decide what should be done with it.
[21:07] <mopkop> I put it on Trello for review.
[21:30] <mopkop> Good night everyone!