[05:20] morning all [05:40] hi Tonberry_ [06:04] Padroni you early today [06:06] http://techrights.org/2015/02/14/patent-blackmail-tactic/ [06:18] hi SDCDev [07:06] hmm... [07:06] Maaz hi [07:06] Howzit Kilos [07:41] Maaz: goeie more [07:41] inetpro: Sorry... [07:41] oh and hi Kilos and everyone else [07:42] hi there inetpro [07:45] Maaz goeie more [07:45] En goeie more vir jou ook Kilos Geniet jou dag. [07:45] Maaz botsnack [07:45] YAY someone cares about me too! [07:46] inetpro latest full circle mag has some interesting reading [07:46] you mos like rewading [07:46] reading too [07:47] link? [07:47] sec [07:47] http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-94/ [07:49] especially page 30 and on [07:51] for once i have spare data so i downloaded it [07:51] 11MB about [07:51] many interesating articles [07:52] interesting [07:53] yep, looks very interesting [07:54] wish I could have that as a glossy magazine on my coffee table [07:54] yeah [07:54] too much to read in one go [07:54] much too much [07:55] Good morning all! [07:55] am i right in saying 12.04 is supported longer than 14.04 [07:56] hi mopkop [07:56] * Kilos busy upgrading 12.04 on my pc-repair stick [08:01] mopkop get this http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-94/ [08:02] Seems nice, Thank you, I'll look at it :) [08:02] yw lots of interesting articles in there [08:03] you know how to download it hey? [08:03] Yoou mean other than the pdf? [08:04] lol i dunno i right click it and choose save as [08:04] Yea, I just clicked on it and firefox opened the pdf viewer - it has a download button :0 [08:05] wb mopkop [08:05] Hello inetpro! [08:06] ah you firefox peeps [08:06] Kilos: what do you mean with, "am i right in saying 12.04 is supported longer than 14.04"? [08:07] well im sure i saw somewhere 12.04 is supported til 2017 and 14.04 not so long [08:07] 14.04 is Until 2019, as far as I know. [08:07] Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [08:08] oh yay ty for that [08:08] i love 14.04 kde style [08:10] Has anyone tried any mooc's recently? [08:10] https://www.mooc-list.com/ [08:12] more inetpro mopkop Kilos [08:12] Goeie more! [08:13] more GuessWho [08:13] * Kilos watches inetpro [08:15] how do you make emotes? [08:15] The *** Thing [08:16] type /me and message [08:16] GuessWho trying to be clever? [08:16] Kilos: greet him [08:16] i did [08:17] hi GuessWho [08:17] ai! [08:17] ek het mos gegroet Kilos [08:18] mopkop: please excuse them bots [08:18] * mopkop is grateful for the advice [08:18] Lol, I'm enjoying this :) [08:18] inetpro what bots? [08:19] Kilos is our greeter bot and GuessWho is the kilos greeter bot [08:19] haha slim kind [08:20] this is running from my pc-repair stick. so if you see it then you know im fixing something [08:20] mopkop: clearly we haven't done the mooc stuff here, at least not me [08:21] everyone else is shopping atm [08:21] Yes neither have I, I was hoping to get some opinions on it. [08:22] mopkop hear from the fly what you should study first, he knows most things [08:23] and when you break something ask Mr. fixit [08:23] The best way to learn is to break things :) [08:24] I'll keep that in mind, thank you. [08:24] * inetpro likes that attitude [08:24] break it quickly [08:24] i know i have broken everything except kubuntu 14.04 [08:26] ok guys cheers for now [08:26] bye GuessWho [08:27] Kilos: is mopkop listed on our members page yet? [08:27] i dont think so [08:27] Must I be an official member? [08:27] lemme try find it [08:27] no [08:27] just member of ubuntu-za [08:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members [08:28] Kilos: your date is incorrect [08:29] Ubuntu member since [08:29] that is the date when you became official member [08:29] supposedly [08:29] i couldnt find the correct dates [08:29] oh [08:29] i go fix [08:29] but dont know when that was either [08:30] sigh [08:30] it's on the LP page [08:30] Latest memberships: Ubuntu Members - Joined on 2015-02-06 [08:30] ty sir [08:31] ai! [08:31] * inetpro actually had it listed correctly and he changed it [08:32] what now? [08:32] mopkop: this is an informal list of members just for our own purposes [08:33] helps us to remember who's who in the zoo [08:34] I see... [08:34] mopkop tell us a bit about yourself [08:34] we have many more members than that, Kilos just has not found the time to tag and count all his sheep yet [08:34] lol [08:36] i cant keep up with all the to do stuff [08:36] need to get the africa site finished so i can just do irc again [08:37] outside world interferes too much [08:39] Kilos: if you check out my branch you'll see the wui working again [08:39] see: https://code.launchpad.net/~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/fixbase/+merge/250556 [08:40] * inetpro has proposed a merge [08:40] yay ty so much [08:40] uh [08:40] can you remind fly please [08:40] we're still waiting for superfly to calm down again and check it out [08:41] Ok, My name is Ashton van Niekerk, I'm a 4th year theology student at Unisa - Next year I'm going to UP for my post-graduate studies. I'm a very curious person, for those who know the MBTI, im INFP/INTP. At my church I am kind of the IT guy, managing the website and so on. I only recently installed Ubuntu (only two days ago) so I'm quit new at this. I have a lot of experience in Volunteer projects, so I like working with other v [08:42] ty mopkop keep it up [08:42] hi Padroni [08:43] oh the other one too [08:43] Good morning Padroni! [08:45] inetpro did you work from twit? [08:45] Kilos: yes [08:45] but not the last one [08:46] but basically you can see the site with most of the stuffs relevant to africa hey? [08:47] Kilos: branch it and see for yourself [08:47] nono im touching nothing there atm [08:47] ill break stuffs again [08:48] just don't commit anything before superfly has had a look [08:48] Kilos: commit is like uploading [08:48] merge is down locally [08:48] done [08:49] so i can do bzr merge safely here? [08:49] after updating your trunk with 'bzr up' you can safely do the merge locally to test [08:49] To merge this branch: bzr merge lp:~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/fixbase [08:49] that is from within an updated trunk [08:50] sjoe [08:51] dont you think mopkop is a good candidate for kde? [08:51] KDE? [08:51] try it, and if you break it, so be it [08:51] Thr UI? [08:51] The [08:51] kubuntu 14.04 [08:52] Yes, I've heard about it. [08:52] What do you mean, canidate? [08:52] its very different from the unity interface but works better once used to it imo [08:52] customer [08:52] Kilos: that is your opinion! [08:52] candidate [08:53] yes i said so [08:53] oh and also my opinion... but that's irellevant [08:53] lol [08:53] * inetpro 's opinion doens't count for anything [08:54] and thats only in his own opinion [08:54] Personally, I like Unity. I haven't tried KDE though. [08:54] you havent got the name Mr. fixit for nothing [08:54] Is it like Windows? [08:54] mopkop: create yourself a page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mopkop [08:55] some say so but i dont see the similarity [08:58] Have anyone here done the MBTI test before? I'm curious. [09:00] inetpro i hope you have a backup of the stuffs [09:00] mopkop: not me [09:00] nor me [09:00] what is MBTI anyway? [09:00] I't a personality test. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator [09:01] Kilos: it is version controlled! [09:01] oh goodness [09:01] i cant do that mopkop i lost mine [09:01] lol [09:02] mopkop: I've done too many of those in my life to even remember [09:02] you can see me on my blog [09:02] Maaz kilos.blog [09:02] Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/ [09:04] The MBTI is a very useful tool for predicting how people will react to certain situations and what decisions they will make. [09:04] haha Kilos, you brought that back from the archives? [09:04] Good morning magellanic! [09:04] hi all [09:04] :) [09:04] im slowly trying to get it back [09:05] hi magellanic [09:05] Kilos: I remember that one [09:05] sad that we don't have floss.pro any more [09:05] anyone coming to scaleconf? [09:05] yeah [09:05] Where's that? [09:06] cape town [09:06] mopkop: you mean where was that? [09:06] it's dead [09:07] But... http://scaleconf.org/purchase/ [09:08] :( [09:08] magellanic: if you pay my flight ticket [09:09] can't afford to :/ [09:09] soz [09:09] :-( [09:10] man inetpro i cant merge bzr merge lp:~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/fixbase [09:11] Kilos: why? [09:11] it says there are uncommited changes [09:11] I'll be in the same boat for pyconza, it is in jhb this year [09:11] Kilos: did you do bzr up? [09:11] ya [09:12] ahh... you meade changes locally? [09:12] made* [09:12] bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-africa [09:12] ai! [09:13] Kilos: it's bacause you maded changes locally on your trunk [09:13] Tree is up to date at revision 4 of branch [09:13] i havent even looked at it since you said leave it for fly [09:13] ai... fingers trouble [09:13] Kilos: you made changes before I said leave it [09:14] ai! [09:14] you should never work on trunk!!! [09:14] i didnt only on twit [09:14] thats where i am now [09:14] bzr status [09:15] nee man!!! [09:15] go to trunk [09:15] then bzr up [09:15] Maaz: assumption [09:15] An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts [09:16] http://bin.snyman.info/5cuvj [09:16] Kilos: stop making assumptions [09:16] ai! again [09:16] Kilos: cd ~/Projects/ubuntu-africa/trunk [09:16] ai! [09:17] you just said never work on trunk [09:17] so im in twit [09:17] Kilos: unless you do a merge [09:17] ah [09:18] lemme try that [09:19] when I say, don't work on trunk I really mean you should not modify the code on trunk [09:20] its doing something [09:20] first branch it off to another folder, then modify, hack, hack, hack... commit your branch, ask someone to review, then propose a merge [09:21] nono i cant hack hack man i copy/paste [09:21] 20 conflicts encountered. [09:21] Kilos: did you do bzr up? [09:23] http://bin.snyman.info/jakts [09:23] this bin is lekker [09:24] Kilos: remove your cache folder [09:24] and output [09:25] nikola will recreate it [09:25] now do a last bzr up just to make sure [09:25] i need to find the cache first [09:26] Kilos: rm -rf ~/Projects/ubuntu-africa/trunk/{cache,output} [09:27] ty sir [09:29] i did bzr up [09:29] then bzr merge lp:~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/fixbase [09:30] result - bzr: ERROR: Working tree "/home/miles/Projects/ubuntu-africa/trunk/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). [09:30] hmm... [09:35] * inetpro trying it locally first [09:44] Kilos: sorry oom [09:44] * inetpro should have done a bit of research first [09:45] still busy with it but I know what the problem is [09:46] conflicting because I removed the cache and output folders and then added the .bzrignore at the same time [09:46] * inetpro need to find a way to force the merge [09:47] np [09:48] thought it would be simple, and maybe it is [09:48] ive gotta move sheeps anyway and help sis offload shopping [09:48] good luck [09:48] but that is why I wanted the fly to look at it first [09:48] am sure we'll find a solution [09:48] not problemo [09:49] * inetpro also have other things to deal with [09:57] life and days just too short to get to everything [10:18] hmm... [10:19] yay it wasnt something i broke [10:58] mopkop learn python man [11:00] I'll try :) [11:00] hehe [11:00] Now I have a community to help me :) [11:02] once youve done that and upgraded our bot db to python 3 then you can learn bzr [11:02] then you can build your church site static [11:03] much faster and more secure [11:19] Sorry Internet dropped. [11:20] Is bzr like git? [11:22] yes [11:22] morning tumbleweed hows things by you? [11:23] Kilos: good. Visiting Cape Town for a week [11:23] lekker [11:24] sorry for all the notifications from the wiki [11:24] that sounds like a good thing :) [11:24] haha mostly me making mistakes [11:24] congrats on your membership [11:24] have to do edit a bit then see what it looks like first before carrying on [11:25] there is a Preview button :P [11:25] ty and ty for the estimonial too [11:25] ...only *just* in time... [11:25] ill look for that next time ty [11:26] just in time is way better than late or never [11:27] next we gotta push the pro [11:36] there's some flu making its rounds in cape town, doze up on vitamins and stuff [11:39] What should I include on my wiki page? [11:42] you will use it later when you apply for membership so put what you can in atm [11:42] mopkop see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly [11:48] oh tumbleweed will you update your dates here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members please [11:49] Ok, Thank You So about me and contact info. And maybe my philosophy. I'll leave the Contribution and Testimonials until I actualy do something. [11:50] cool [11:50] Is there anything I can help with other than coding? [11:51] when im sleeping you can be the greeter bot [11:51] hehe [11:51] lol [11:52] basically get to know the guys here and try remember what they can do [11:52] then when a noob needs help you can either help or ponit them to the right person that knows [11:53] point [11:53] IRC support, I can do :) [11:53] yay [11:53] BRB, have to log into windows for a sec. [11:53] ouch [11:55] Yea, unfortunately libre office is not that good with MS Office layout. So if someone sends me a document I need to use windows. I'll install Pidgin on Windows too :) [12:00] wb mopkop [12:01] Hello, from Windows :) [12:01] sympathies [12:02] Still waiting for thunderbird to open.... [12:07] mopkop: tried google docs for ms office files? [12:09] Not yet. [12:10] Can it convert pdf files? [12:10] Or Publisher to pdf? [12:10] good afternoon [12:10] Maaz: coffee on [12:10] * Maaz washes some mugs [12:10] hi charl [12:10] hi Kilos [12:10] Hello Charl! [12:11] hi mopkop [12:11] charl how do you view ms office documents [12:11] use libreoffice or ask for pdf [12:12] Yea, unfortunately libre office is not that good with MS Office layout. [12:12] mopkop: yeah, you can choose to open a pdf in drive as a google doc, it turns it into an editable doc for you. You can then export to pdf as well [12:12] help mopkop please [12:12] Can it combine files into pdf? [12:14] maaz google combine google docs convert to pdf [12:14] magellanic: "10 Tips To Do More With Your PDF Files On Google Drive" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-tips-pdf-files-google-drive/ :: "The Best PDF Tools and Apps - Adobe PDF Guide - Digital Inspiration" http://www.labnol.org/software/adobe-pdf-guide-tutorial/6296/ :: "How to Merge PDF Files On A Chromebook - OMG! Chrome!" http://www.omgchrome.com/merge-pdfs-google- [12:14] chrome-chromebook/ :: "Best PDF Software - Power PDF Standard | Nuance | Nuance" http://w… [12:14] Coffee's ready for charl! [12:15] maaz coffee for me? [12:15] magellanic: Excuse me? [12:15] Maaz: danke [12:15] Bitteschön [12:15] mopkop: it's true libreoffice is not very good with ms office files [12:15] mopkop: best way is simply to always ask for a pdf version [12:16] what version of libre office though? there was a new release with improved support I believe [12:16] every version gets better [12:16] and then ms releases a new version of office and breaks things again [12:18] You see the problem is I get two documents. One in MS Word and one in MS Publisher. Then I have to combine into one document. I can ask for 2 pdf's but then it becomes difficult to copy-paste the info onto the website. [12:19] yeah pdf is horrible with copy and paste [12:19] how do you mean you need to combine them into one document ? [12:19] manually combine the two and make a web page out of it ? [12:20] No, uhm, here is a link to last week's newsletter. http://ngkwonderboom.co.za/www/index.php/argiewe/gebedsbriewe/829-gebedsbrief-22-februarie-2015 [12:20] And then I also have the pdf http://ngkwonderboom.co.za/docs/gebedsbriewe/Gebedsbrief-2015-02-22.pdf [12:23] The pdf is necessarry because some people like to print it, and also because it contains some information I do not put on the web, like the advertisements and new members. [12:24] what does publisher do for you then? [12:24] The dominee makes the last two pages of the newsletter in Publisher. [12:25] I Combine this with the first two pages (Word) into one downloadable pdf. [12:33] oh okay [12:36] sorry i don't have any real office experience to talk of so hard for me to give advice [12:36] but the suggestion of using google docs as an alternative to libreoffice sounds good [12:41] I'll look into it, Thank you! [12:42] Kilos: done [12:42] Then again, Microsoft has a free online suite [12:42] ty tumbleweed [12:42] hi clr [12:42] Hello CLR! [12:42] hey [12:42] hey hey [12:43] how are you mopkop?, Kilos? [12:43] lekker ty and you? [12:44] ya, just using the last of my bandwidth for the month hehe. I'm downloading Citizenfour [12:44] haha [12:44] oh and making a playlist on deezer [12:45] what has been happening around here? [12:45] Much to be thankful for, thank you! We're discussing MS Office alternatives. [12:46] At the meeting the other day inetpro asked for someone to make a howto to register on launchpad and sign the code of conduct [12:46] has anyone made one yet? [12:46] haa, ya, google docs anyone? [12:47] kingsoft office? [12:47] libre office? [12:48] open office :/ [12:48] mopkop: true, office365, that is also a good thing to look at [12:48] Not to my knowledge? If no-one has done it, I won't mind. I did the code of conduct thing just yesterday. [12:49] charl, meet charl (clr) [12:50] haha [12:54] ok mopkop, have you just volunteered? [12:54] lol [12:54] Kilos will tell you where it should go [12:55] ohi superfly [12:55] no doubt Kilos will make a trello card for that [12:55] not me man the pro makes them [12:56] haa so it was his idea and he slipped up, cause I did not see a card for that [12:57] Yes I'm volentering. I'll make a text-based one and one with pictures DV :) [12:57] sjoe [12:59] well done [12:59] I'm still conflicted with this idea of having a gpg key and nobody has signed the damn thing [13:00] well done mopkop, you have yourself a job hehe [13:01] mopkop: you can't maybe get the dominee to use Scribus instead of Publisher? [13:05] Superfly: I doubt it. He doesn't like to switch programs. He simply refuses to even use Windows 8. Maybe I can ask him to send me both the Office documents AND the pdf's. He know how to convert it. [13:05] stubborn dominee [13:06] Hello Xethron! [13:07] hi Xethron [13:08] Hey guys, I'm going to buy food now, be back (with Ubuntu) in a while. [13:08] ok lol [13:16] heya superfly [13:16] sup magellanic [13:18] hello Xethron [13:18] Bernhard? [13:18]