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knomeelfy, is bug 1391636 still not "released" ?:)01:03
ubottubug 1391636 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "1583 Errors in testcase" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139163601:03
Noskcajbluesabre, Do you have time to upload the bugfix release for xfce4-xkb-plugin?01:08
Noskcajalso, lp:~noskcaj/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-sensors-plugin/1.2.601:10
knomebluesabre,  [bluesabre] Update Catfish and Mugshot authentication to use PolicyKit: INPROGRESS01:12
knomebluesabre, that accurate?01:12
jjfrv8elfy, ack01:36
jjfrv8ochosi, thx, will start on the screenshots. almost ready for you to review the text.01:37
bluesabreknome: 02:09
bluesabreyes02:09
knomeok02:09
bluesabrehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/10459585/02:10
bluesabre^ see :D02:10
* knome shuts eyes and ears and shouts "LALALALALA"02:10
bluesabreNoskcaj: taking a look now, thanks :)02:20
Unit193elfy: No idea really in terms of that, nothing is built as far as the tracker "knows"07:46
elfyUnit193: ta - actually thinking about it - that shouldn't ever rebuild - cancelled the rebuild08:28
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elfymorning 10:36
elfyknome: no - it's not released yet11:59
knomelol12:00
elfyand ... I think it needs more reworking now too sigh12:00
knome4.12?12:00
elfyyea - the one I see here doesn't hang about in the panel for a start, need to look at that before slickymaster does 12:01
knomemm12:01
knomehr hr12:02
elfyyep :)12:02
elfymade a start on this rolling base release note thing12:02
knomenice12:03
knomewhere'd you put it?12:03
elfyit's still in my sandbox - but when I put it somewhere useful it'll be wiki/xubuntu/testing/foo 12:04
knomeor, since it's release specific12:04
knomeunder wiki/xubuntu/roadmap/foo12:04
elfyslight change to that plan ... 12:05
elfyI thought more about it while driving in circles :)12:05
knomewell any place works for me really12:05
knomeas long as it's easily discoverable12:05
elfy'maybe' better to have a real rolling one - then when it's time to do WibblyWhinocewos/Beta1 - just copy the text12:06
knomehehe12:06
knomeyes, better to have something that's not going to be the final one12:06
knomeor the one that's used12:06
elfyrather than keep recreating a cycle base 12:06
elfyyep for sure12:06
knomeoh right12:06
knomewell,12:06
* knome shrugs12:06
knomei don't know how much we want to keep from the prev cycle12:06
knomemaybe the bugs :)12:07
knomebut yes12:07
knomeapprove any direction you are going to take on it :P12:07
elfymy 'vision' if you want to call it that is have 'a base' then just update it - and if bugs are left over - then they're still there so should be on it anyway :)12:07
knomeyes12:08
knomebut wouldn't that page be used to gather new features as well?12:08
elfyyes 12:08
knomethose do not stick after release12:08
elfybut then they'd get removed from the base at cycle end12:08
knomeyes, sure12:08
elfyI'll play a bit this cycle just to be sure - then use it properly for WW 12:09
knomemhm12:09
elfyshame we can't drag info from LP to wiki 12:10
elfysimply 12:10
knomekeep me on the loop so i know what needs to be written process description-wise12:10
elfyyep - I will12:10
knomei can write a script that converts lp stuff to wiki markup on request if that's useful12:10
elfyok - I'll think about that - ty knome :)12:11
knomenp12:11
knomeok, i'm off12:15
knomebbl12:15
knomehave a happy 4.12 releasing day!12:15
knome*release here though, i guess12:15
knomei can tweet stuff when i get back :)12:15
elfy:)12:18
elfyhave a good one12:18
bluesabremade possible by xubuntu 12.04: http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-exo-0-10-3-released-td45534.html14:15
elfybluesabre: don't want to pollute xfce-dev, but in the version I've got here, 1.6.5 I get same error message, but usb doesn't show in thunar at all  17:21
elfyalso from a clean boot - same thing, nothing showing in thunar when I plug USB17:22
bluesabreelfy: good to know17:24
bluesabreelfy: polluted for you17:26
bluesabre:P17:26
elfylol I saw that :p17:26
Noskcajbluesabre, So what's the plan of attack for getting 4.12 into ubuntu? Do we have an FFe already?18:14
bluesabreNoskcaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/142488718:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1424887 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Xfce 4.12 for Vivid" [Undecided,Triaged]18:15
bluesabreochosi and I are working out the details for extra components to include18:15
bluesabreI'd recommend starting to package released components, but wait to upload until the release announcement is made18:16
Noskcajok18:17
bluesabreany that you're working on, let me know so we don't double the work :)18:17
bluesabreI probably won't get to package many today myself, looking like tomorrow morning will be my go time18:17
Noskcajphillw.net/ubuntu-gnome/Xvivid410.html will have 4.12 in a few hours18:19
bluesabrecool18:21
Noskcajhttp://phillw.net/ubuntu-gnome/Xvivid412.html18:34
bluesabreochosi, Noskcaj : list updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/142488718:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1424887 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Xfce 4.12 for Vivid" [Undecided,Triaged]18:36
bluesabreelfy: these things will appear in the next few days :)18:37
bluesabreUnit193: too, in case you're feeling package-uploady18:37
NoskcajWould it be easier if i put it in a PPA and you then copy it to vivid?18:38
bluesabreNoskcaj: yeah, that'd be fine. I'd dget the dsc, build, verify, and upload18:39
Noskcaj:)18:39
Noskcaji'll do thunar and tumbler first18:39
ochosiquite a huge list :)18:39
bluesabregreat, thanks for your help!18:39
* bluesabre pokes the release-team to ack the extra packages18:44
ochosithat FFe is quite nice, 15.04 will really be a pretty cool release18:49
elfybluesabre: ack18:49
elfylol - that's for "these things will appear in the next few days :)"18:50
elfydoes that mean I can nix -staging? 18:50
elfypurge it and wait for things to land for real? 18:50
bluesabreat that point, yeah, we'll finally be stable18:50
elfybluesabre: ok18:51
elfyand for the second I'll ack whatever :p18:51
bluesabre:)18:52
elfyooh - the *other* release team :D18:52
bluesabrehehe18:52
elfythe troublemakers ... 18:53
bluesabrewait, we're talking about #xubuntu-offtopic folks now?18:53
elfyochosi bluesabre - want me to +1 in -release as well? 19:17
bluesabreelfy: by all means :)19:18
ochosisure go ahead19:18
ochosiwe might have to follow up on that anyway19:18
SkullyripzHello19:18
ochosihi19:18
SkullyripzI'm very new to Xubuntu, but I really like it. I have some ideas that I'd like to start working on, but I wanted some feedback first.19:19
SkullyripzI'd like to add a feature to the search bar in the Whisker Menu to include file search. Do you know if anyone has already begun working on something similar?19:20
NoskcajSkullyripz, It's an existing request, i'll find the bug now19:20
ochosiyou can already use catfish via a custom action for whiskermenu19:21
ochosiimo that's even better than making whiskermenu bigger19:21
Noskcaj+119:22
SkullyripzI see. I will definitely look in to that.19:22
NoskcajThe upstream bug is https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11551 , made by the upstream dev, so something that doesn't need manual config is on the TODO list19:22
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 11551 in General "Search for files and folders in the search bar" [Enhancement,New]19:23
SkullyripzPerfect. Thanks for the heads up. Looking now.19:25
Noskcajbluesabre, thunar, thunar-volman, and tumbler are done in ppa:noskcaj/xfce-4.12 if you want to copypackage them19:25
elfymmm 19:27
elfyso to use ! in whiskermenu - would ! ls /usr/share be supposed to run that in a terminal? 19:28
ochosifor me that opens a terminal but it closes again immediately19:32
elfyright - glad you said that - I see the same thing 19:33
SkullyripzI see the capability you referenced with catfish and the whiskermenu. However, you don't feel that it would be better served docked within the menu, the same way the application search works?19:38
SkullyripzThis way, you would not need to open up a separate application to search for and open a file19:40
ochosielfy: maybe warrants a bugreport, but i guess against the term, not whisker19:40
elfyochosi: mmk - I'll do that tomorrow 19:42
ochosik, cool19:43
bluesabreNoskcaj: thanks, I'll get started with those (and anything else you link me) a bit later today19:53
bluesabrethis author has not heard of xubuntu it seems, http://news.softpedia.com/news/Manajaro-Is-the-First-Distro-with-Xfce-4-12-and-It-s-Insanely-Fast-Screenshot-Tour-473938.shtml20:47
knomesilviu stahie...20:48
knomebluesabre, if you're on g+... https://plus.google.com/+SilviuStahie20:49
knomeor twitter https://twitter.com/thesilviu20:49
Unit193bluesabre: Re: xfce-4.12 or packaging?20:49
bluesabrelol20:50
bluesabrewell, we've been carrying xfce-4.12(ish) packages for quite some time now20:50
Unit193I was talking about your ping. :P20:50
bluesabreah20:51
bluesabreUnit193: packaging if you want20:51
* bluesabre needs to clean the apartment, bbabl20:51
knome:D20:52
knomewhat a way to party20:52
bluesabre:D20:52
bluesabreI'll dance around while cleaning20:52
Unit193Right, catch it if there's anything left Monday.20:53
knomelol20:53
ecsooboontooCongratulations! fellahs on releasing xfce4.12; a job well done!21:23
elfyochosi: bug 1426770 21:26
ubottubug 1426770 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "Run In Terminal from whiskermenu fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142677021:26
ecsooboontooI have but one question,though. How do I upgrade to xfce4.12 with Xubuntu14.04point two ? Do I need the PPA to the repo list?21:27
brainwashelfy: works here21:42
brainwashelfy: you should have filed the report against whiskermenu I think21:43
elfyI'm just doing what I was asked to do 21:43
elfyand it didn't work there either21:43
brainwash"a command" means any command?21:43
elfy?21:44
brainwash"!mousepad" opens a terminal window and mousepad21:44
knomeq21:44
knomehmm, oops.21:44
elfyque? 21:44
knomewrong window...21:44
elfybrainwash: mmm - bad wording perhaps then 21:44
brainwashyou mean shell command?21:44
elfyrun in terminal certainly implies to me it should run a command in a terminal21:45
elfyanyway - whatever21:45
brainwashheh, yeah, I don't really understand what might be wrong21:45
elfyit's saturday night 21:45
brainwashjust tested it and it works here21:45
knomeelfy, that's not "wrong" :P21:45
elfytry doing what's in the bug then - does that work?21:45
SkullyripzI believe what was trying to be accomplished in the whiskermenu is "!ls /usr/share"21:52
SkullyripzThis does not work for me either21:52
baizonhi, quick question, any plans for xfce 4.12 and xubuntu 15.04?21:57
elfybaizon: there's an FFe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/142488721:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1424887 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Xfce 4.12 for Vivid" [Undecided,Triaged]21:57
baizonthank you elfy 21:58
elfywelcome :)21:58
elfySkullyripz: yea - possibly it's just supposed to open a terminal and an application - seems rather pointless though 22:03
knomei would imagine the problem is similar to running "ls /home/" from xfrun422:04
knomeor tbe, 'xfce4-terminal -X ls /home'22:04
Skullyripzelfy: I agree; why not just hit 'CTRL - ALT - T' and enter the command?22:05
SkullyripzThis process would be much faster22:05
knomeSkullyripz, that's not the point here22:06
SkullyripzIs the function just used to view the terminal run messages for applications?22:07
knomeelfy, want to try something?22:08
elfyonly if it's legal22:10
knomehaha22:10
knomesure22:10
knome/usr/share/xfce4/helpers/xfce4-terminal.desktop22:10
knomeadd -H to last line;22:10
knomeX-XFCE-CommandsWithParameter=%B -H -x %s;22:10
knomesave, and retry22:10
elfyyep22:11
elfyworks22:11
knomemhm...22:11
knomenow you always have to close the terminal window, but...22:12
SkullyripzSweet!22:12
SkullyripzWorks for me too22:12
elfyyea - have to close window22:12
knomecommented on the bug22:13
elfyI guess it depends on what ! is actually expected to do - if it's as brainwash thinks - then bug's invalid22:13
elfyknome: ok - thanks :)22:13
knomeelfy, did you use thunderbird?22:18
knomeelfy, i'm not sure, but i think clicking a link in TB doesn't actually open FF any more, it says FF is running but not responding22:19
knomepotentially related to the other exo change...22:19
brainwashelfy: right, if a command exits after doing its job, then the terminal is expected to close itself22:19
knomebrainwash, but that's not useful for, say, invoking ls commands22:20
brainwashit may be not, but it's the default behavior22:20
knomesure, i agree with it.22:21
knomebut hey, if somebody wants to run ls commands from whisker and doesn't mind closing the terminal windows... that's what the parameter is there for22:21
knomethough it doesn't let you start typing other commands to the same window22:22
brainwashrun ! first and then type the command22:22
knomei mean the same terminal window22:22
knomeif that's desired.22:23
knomeoh, right22:23
knomeyeah...22:23
knomei guess so :)22:23
Noskcajbluesabre, Do we want gtk3 mousepad or gtk2?22:23
brainwashwe have gtk3 parole, so... :)22:23
brainwashdid anyone test gtk3 mousepad?22:24
SkullyripzSeems silly22:24
elfyknome: tbird links work ok 22:24
elfywhat version?22:24
knomeelfy, utopic22:24
* knome shrugs22:24
knomeprobably just my config then22:24
elfyaah right - vivid is still behind22:24
elfynope - same version22:25
elfymmm 22:25
elfyslight difference 1:31.4.0+build1-0ubuntu1 in vivid, utopic is ubuntu022:27
knomeas i said, not worried yet22:28
knomei can live with it22:28
elfyknome: someone on -users list had similar issue, but changing to fix with your dekstop fix you pointed me at sorted it22:28
knomeheh22:29
knomeweirdo22:29
elfytrying22:29
knomeoh22:29
knomenbm22:29
knome*nvm22:29
knomei had new new config22:29
elfy:)22:29
Noskcajbluesabre, I've done some basic testing and gtk3 mousepad seems to be all good22:39
GridCubeall spanish translations and normalizations are approved23:24
knomethanks GridCube 23:24
GridCube:)23:24
bluesabreNoskcaj: if it looks fine with Greybird and Numix, I wouldn't be opposed to the gtk3 version of it. Does it use headerbars, or is it really just the same exact interface in gtk3?23:45
knomebluesabre, what is that "and Numix" heresy, it's not our default theme :P23:51

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