[01:03] <knome> elfy, is bug 1391636 still not "released" ?:)
[01:08] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you have time to upload the bugfix release for xfce4-xkb-plugin?
[01:10] <Noskcaj> also, lp:~noskcaj/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-sensors-plugin/1.2.6
[01:12] <knome> bluesabre,  [bluesabre] Update Catfish and Mugshot authentication to use PolicyKit: INPROGRESS
[01:12] <knome> bluesabre, that accurate?
[01:36] <jjfrv8> elfy, ack
[01:37] <jjfrv8> ochosi, thx, will start on the screenshots. almost ready for you to review the text.
[02:09] <bluesabre> knome: 
[02:09] <bluesabre> yes
[02:09] <knome> ok
[02:10] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10459585/
[02:10] <bluesabre> ^ see :D
[02:10]  * knome shuts eyes and ears and shouts "LALALALALA"
[02:20] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: taking a look now, thanks :)
[07:46] <Unit193> elfy: No idea really in terms of that, nothing is built as far as the tracker "knows"
[08:28] <elfy> Unit193: ta - actually thinking about it - that shouldn't ever rebuild - cancelled the rebuild
[10:36] <elfy> morning 
[11:59] <elfy> knome: no - it's not released yet
[12:00] <knome> lol
[12:00] <elfy> and ... I think it needs more reworking now too sigh
[12:00] <knome> 4.12?
[12:01] <elfy> yea - the one I see here doesn't hang about in the panel for a start, need to look at that before slickymaster does 
[12:01] <knome> mm
[12:02] <knome> hr hr
[12:02] <elfy> yep :)
[12:02] <elfy> made a start on this rolling base release note thing
[12:03] <knome> nice
[12:03] <knome> where'd you put it?
[12:04] <elfy> it's still in my sandbox - but when I put it somewhere useful it'll be wiki/xubuntu/testing/foo 
[12:04] <knome> or, since it's release specific
[12:04] <knome> under wiki/xubuntu/roadmap/foo
[12:05] <elfy> slight change to that plan ... 
[12:05] <elfy> I thought more about it while driving in circles :)
[12:05] <knome> well any place works for me really
[12:05] <knome> as long as it's easily discoverable
[12:06] <elfy> 'maybe' better to have a real rolling one - then when it's time to do WibblyWhinocewos/Beta1 - just copy the text
[12:06] <knome> hehe
[12:06] <knome> yes, better to have something that's not going to be the final one
[12:06] <knome> or the one that's used
[12:06] <elfy> rather than keep recreating a cycle base 
[12:06] <elfy> yep for sure
[12:06] <knome> oh right
[12:06] <knome> well,
[12:06]  * knome shrugs
[12:06] <knome> i don't know how much we want to keep from the prev cycle
[12:07] <knome> maybe the bugs :)
[12:07] <knome> but yes
[12:07] <knome> approve any direction you are going to take on it :P
[12:07] <elfy> my 'vision' if you want to call it that is have 'a base' then just update it - and if bugs are left over - then they're still there so should be on it anyway :)
[12:08] <knome> yes
[12:08] <knome> but wouldn't that page be used to gather new features as well?
[12:08] <elfy> yes 
[12:08] <knome> those do not stick after release
[12:08] <elfy> but then they'd get removed from the base at cycle end
[12:08] <knome> yes, sure
[12:09] <elfy> I'll play a bit this cycle just to be sure - then use it properly for WW 
[12:09] <knome> mhm
[12:10] <elfy> shame we can't drag info from LP to wiki 
[12:10] <elfy> simply 
[12:10] <knome> keep me on the loop so i know what needs to be written process description-wise
[12:10] <elfy> yep - I will
[12:10] <knome> i can write a script that converts lp stuff to wiki markup on request if that's useful
[12:11] <elfy> ok - I'll think about that - ty knome :)
[12:11] <knome> np
[12:15] <knome> ok, i'm off
[12:15] <knome> bbl
[12:15] <knome> have a happy 4.12 releasing day!
[12:15] <knome> *release here though, i guess
[12:15] <knome> i can tweet stuff when i get back :)
[12:18] <elfy> :)
[12:18] <elfy> have a good one
[14:15] <bluesabre> made possible by xubuntu 12.04: http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-exo-0-10-3-released-td45534.html
[17:21] <elfy> bluesabre: don't want to pollute xfce-dev, but in the version I've got here, 1.6.5 I get same error message, but usb doesn't show in thunar at all  
[17:22] <elfy> also from a clean boot - same thing, nothing showing in thunar when I plug USB
[17:24] <bluesabre> elfy: good to know
[17:26] <bluesabre> elfy: polluted for you
[17:26] <bluesabre> :P
[17:26] <elfy> lol I saw that :p
[18:14] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, So what's the plan of attack for getting 4.12 into ubuntu? Do we have an FFe already?
[18:15] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1424887
[18:15] <bluesabre> ochosi and I are working out the details for extra components to include
[18:16] <bluesabre> I'd recommend starting to package released components, but wait to upload until the release announcement is made
[18:17] <Noskcaj> ok
[18:17] <bluesabre> any that you're working on, let me know so we don't double the work :)
[18:17] <bluesabre> I probably won't get to package many today myself, looking like tomorrow morning will be my go time
[18:19] <Noskcaj> phillw.net/ubuntu-gnome/Xvivid410.html will have 4.12 in a few hours
[18:21] <bluesabre> cool
[18:34] <Noskcaj> http://phillw.net/ubuntu-gnome/Xvivid412.html
[18:36] <bluesabre> ochosi, Noskcaj : list updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1424887
[18:37] <bluesabre> elfy: these things will appear in the next few days :)
[18:37] <bluesabre> Unit193: too, in case you're feeling package-uploady
[18:38] <Noskcaj> Would it be easier if i put it in a PPA and you then copy it to vivid?
[18:39] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: yeah, that'd be fine. I'd dget the dsc, build, verify, and upload
[18:39] <Noskcaj> :)
[18:39] <Noskcaj> i'll do thunar and tumbler first
[18:39] <ochosi> quite a huge list :)
[18:39] <bluesabre> great, thanks for your help!
[18:44]  * bluesabre pokes the release-team to ack the extra packages
[18:49] <ochosi> that FFe is quite nice, 15.04 will really be a pretty cool release
[18:49] <elfy> bluesabre: ack
[18:50] <elfy> lol - that's for "these things will appear in the next few days :)"
[18:50] <elfy> does that mean I can nix -staging? 
[18:50] <elfy> purge it and wait for things to land for real? 
[18:50] <bluesabre> at that point, yeah, we'll finally be stable
[18:51] <elfy> bluesabre: ok
[18:51] <elfy> and for the second I'll ack whatever :p
[18:52] <bluesabre> :)
[18:52] <elfy> ooh - the *other* release team :D
[18:52] <bluesabre> hehe
[18:53] <elfy> the troublemakers ... 
[18:53] <bluesabre> wait, we're talking about #xubuntu-offtopic folks now?
[19:17] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - want me to +1 in -release as well? 
[19:18] <bluesabre> elfy: by all means :)
[19:18] <ochosi> sure go ahead
[19:18] <ochosi> we might have to follow up on that anyway
[19:18] <Skullyripz> Hello
[19:18] <ochosi> hi
[19:19] <Skullyripz> I'm very new to Xubuntu, but I really like it. I have some ideas that I'd like to start working on, but I wanted some feedback first.
[19:20] <Skullyripz> I'd like to add a feature to the search bar in the Whisker Menu to include file search. Do you know if anyone has already begun working on something similar?
[19:20] <Noskcaj> Skullyripz, It's an existing request, i'll find the bug now
[19:21] <ochosi> you can already use catfish via a custom action for whiskermenu
[19:21] <ochosi> imo that's even better than making whiskermenu bigger
[19:22] <Noskcaj> +1
[19:22] <Skullyripz> I see. I will definitely look in to that.
[19:22] <Noskcaj> The upstream bug is https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11551 , made by the upstream dev, so something that doesn't need manual config is on the TODO list
[19:25] <Skullyripz> Perfect. Thanks for the heads up. Looking now.
[19:25] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, thunar, thunar-volman, and tumbler are done in ppa:noskcaj/xfce-4.12 if you want to copypackage them
[19:27] <elfy> mmm 
[19:28] <elfy> so to use ! in whiskermenu - would ! ls /usr/share be supposed to run that in a terminal? 
[19:32] <ochosi> for me that opens a terminal but it closes again immediately
[19:33] <elfy> right - glad you said that - I see the same thing 
[19:38] <Skullyripz> I see the capability you referenced with catfish and the whiskermenu. However, you don't feel that it would be better served docked within the menu, the same way the application search works?
[19:40] <Skullyripz> This way, you would not need to open up a separate application to search for and open a file
[19:40] <ochosi> elfy: maybe warrants a bugreport, but i guess against the term, not whisker
[19:42] <elfy> ochosi: mmk - I'll do that tomorrow 
[19:43] <ochosi> k, cool
[19:53] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: thanks, I'll get started with those (and anything else you link me) a bit later today
[20:47] <bluesabre> this author has not heard of xubuntu it seems, http://news.softpedia.com/news/Manajaro-Is-the-First-Distro-with-Xfce-4-12-and-It-s-Insanely-Fast-Screenshot-Tour-473938.shtml
[20:48] <knome> silviu stahie...
[20:49] <knome> bluesabre, if you're on g+... https://plus.google.com/+SilviuStahie
[20:49] <knome> or twitter https://twitter.com/thesilviu
[20:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: Re: xfce-4.12 or packaging?
[20:50] <bluesabre> lol
[20:50] <bluesabre> well, we've been carrying xfce-4.12(ish) packages for quite some time now
[20:50] <Unit193> I was talking about your ping. :P
[20:51] <bluesabre> ah
[20:51] <bluesabre> Unit193: packaging if you want
[20:51]  * bluesabre needs to clean the apartment, bbabl
[20:52] <knome> :D
[20:52] <knome> what a way to party
[20:52] <bluesabre> :D
[20:52] <bluesabre> I'll dance around while cleaning
[20:53] <Unit193> Right, catch it if there's anything left Monday.
[20:53] <knome> lol
[21:23] <ecsooboontoo> Congratulations! fellahs on releasing xfce4.12; a job well done!
[21:26] <elfy> ochosi: bug 1426770 
[21:27] <ecsooboontoo> I have but one question,though. How do I upgrade to xfce4.12 with Xubuntu14.04point two ? Do I need the PPA to the repo list?
[21:42] <brainwash> elfy: works here
[21:43] <brainwash> elfy: you should have filed the report against whiskermenu I think
[21:43] <elfy> I'm just doing what I was asked to do 
[21:43] <elfy> and it didn't work there either
[21:43] <brainwash> "a command" means any command?
[21:44] <elfy> ?
[21:44] <brainwash> "!mousepad" opens a terminal window and mousepad
[21:44] <knome> q
[21:44] <knome> hmm, oops.
[21:44] <elfy> que? 
[21:44] <knome> wrong window...
[21:44] <elfy> brainwash: mmm - bad wording perhaps then 
[21:44] <brainwash> you mean shell command?
[21:45] <elfy> run in terminal certainly implies to me it should run a command in a terminal
[21:45] <elfy> anyway - whatever
[21:45] <brainwash> heh, yeah, I don't really understand what might be wrong
[21:45] <elfy> it's saturday night 
[21:45] <brainwash> just tested it and it works here
[21:45] <knome> elfy, that's not "wrong" :P
[21:45] <elfy> try doing what's in the bug then - does that work?
[21:52] <Skullyripz> I believe what was trying to be accomplished in the whiskermenu is "!ls /usr/share"
[21:52] <Skullyripz> This does not work for me either
[21:57] <baizon> hi, quick question, any plans for xfce 4.12 and xubuntu 15.04?
[21:57] <elfy> baizon: there's an FFe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1424887
[21:58] <baizon> thank you elfy 
[21:58] <elfy> welcome :)
[22:03] <elfy> Skullyripz: yea - possibly it's just supposed to open a terminal and an application - seems rather pointless though 
[22:04] <knome> i would imagine the problem is similar to running "ls /home/" from xfrun4
[22:04] <knome> or tbe, 'xfce4-terminal -X ls /home'
[22:05] <Skullyripz> elfy: I agree; why not just hit 'CTRL - ALT - T' and enter the command?
[22:05] <Skullyripz> This process would be much faster
[22:06] <knome> Skullyripz, that's not the point here
[22:07] <Skullyripz> Is the function just used to view the terminal run messages for applications?
[22:08] <knome> elfy, want to try something?
[22:10] <elfy> only if it's legal
[22:10] <knome> haha
[22:10] <knome> sure
[22:10] <knome> /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/xfce4-terminal.desktop
[22:10] <knome> add -H to last line;
[22:10] <knome> X-XFCE-CommandsWithParameter=%B -H -x %s;
[22:10] <knome> save, and retry
[22:11] <elfy> yep
[22:11] <elfy> works
[22:11] <knome> mhm...
[22:12] <knome> now you always have to close the terminal window, but...
[22:12] <Skullyripz> Sweet!
[22:12] <Skullyripz> Works for me too
[22:12] <elfy> yea - have to close window
[22:13] <knome> commented on the bug
[22:13] <elfy> I guess it depends on what ! is actually expected to do - if it's as brainwash thinks - then bug's invalid
[22:13] <elfy> knome: ok - thanks :)
[22:18] <knome> elfy, did you use thunderbird?
[22:19] <knome> elfy, i'm not sure, but i think clicking a link in TB doesn't actually open FF any more, it says FF is running but not responding
[22:19] <knome> potentially related to the other exo change...
[22:19] <brainwash> elfy: right, if a command exits after doing its job, then the terminal is expected to close itself
[22:20] <knome> brainwash, but that's not useful for, say, invoking ls commands
[22:20] <brainwash> it may be not, but it's the default behavior
[22:21] <knome> sure, i agree with it.
[22:21] <knome> but hey, if somebody wants to run ls commands from whisker and doesn't mind closing the terminal windows... that's what the parameter is there for
[22:22] <knome> though it doesn't let you start typing other commands to the same window
[22:22] <brainwash> run ! first and then type the command
[22:22] <knome> i mean the same terminal window
[22:23] <knome> if that's desired.
[22:23] <knome> oh, right
[22:23] <knome> yeah...
[22:23] <knome> i guess so :)
[22:23] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do we want gtk3 mousepad or gtk2?
[22:23] <brainwash> we have gtk3 parole, so... :)
[22:24] <brainwash> did anyone test gtk3 mousepad?
[22:24] <Skullyripz> Seems silly
[22:24] <elfy> knome: tbird links work ok 
[22:24] <elfy> what version?
[22:24] <knome> elfy, utopic
[22:24]  * knome shrugs
[22:24] <knome> probably just my config then
[22:24] <elfy> aah right - vivid is still behind
[22:25] <elfy> nope - same version
[22:25] <elfy> mmm 
[22:27] <elfy> slight difference 1:31.4.0+build1-0ubuntu1 in vivid, utopic is ubuntu0
[22:28] <knome> as i said, not worried yet
[22:28] <knome> i can live with it
[22:28] <elfy> knome: someone on -users list had similar issue, but changing to fix with your dekstop fix you pointed me at sorted it
[22:29] <knome> heh
[22:29] <knome> weirdo
[22:29] <elfy> trying
[22:29] <knome> oh
[22:29] <knome> nbm
[22:29] <knome> *nvm
[22:29] <knome> i had new new config
[22:29] <elfy> :)
[22:39] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I've done some basic testing and gtk3 mousepad seems to be all good
[23:24] <GridCube> all spanish translations and normalizations are approved
[23:24] <knome> thanks GridCube 
[23:24] <GridCube> :)
[23:45] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: if it looks fine with Greybird and Numix, I wouldn't be opposed to the gtk3 version of it. Does it use headerbars, or is it really just the same exact interface in gtk3?
[23:51] <knome> bluesabre, what is that "and Numix" heresy, it's not our default theme :P