[03:43] good morning [04:45] good morning Kilos [04:46] hi my magespawn howsit [04:46] you early [04:46] hmm been up since about 5 this morning [04:47] why [04:48] my xperia woke me at 6.30 to say im out of bundle [04:48] just habit now, weekly alarm goes off at 5, so now the body just gets up [04:48] lol [04:48] you been missing lots [04:49] the last couple of days have been exceedingly stressful at work [04:49] morning inetpro and all you other lurkers [04:49] eish [04:50] ahh it is one of those things [04:50] well heres more work for you [04:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members [04:51] sorry [04:51] you can do the wiki thing hey? [04:51] yes i can what needs to be done? [04:52] you must add you [04:52] ahh right, okay [05:01] your offspring gave me a call the other day [05:02] did he want wireless info? [05:03] yup and had some asterisk questions too [05:04] sjoe. i only realized later what it could be, forgot i told him you are our new wireless man [05:04] no worries [05:05] he is so busy too, even when he comes to visit most of his time is on the fone or fixixing soeme clients biometrics stuff from here on teamviewer [05:06] whew typos [05:06] sorry [05:06] the work never seems to stop, and people need there stuff to work when they want it to work [05:06] ah we all gave days like that [05:06] yes an now [05:07] s/gave/have [05:07] lol [05:07] dont fix it when you can it must work now [05:08] and when it comes to those sort of systems, yesterday is a good tie to have it done by [05:08] lol ya [05:09] we dont even have time too discuss anything when he is here [05:09] kinda annoying [05:10] that will change everything always does [05:11] he cant take time off because when you start something that spreads by word of mouth you gotta give a service that the clients talk about [05:16] hi mopkop [05:16] Good morning! [05:17] So I learned Bazaar last night, can't wait to try it out. [05:18] you like? [05:18] Yes, very much. I just have a few questions though. [05:19] ive been learning it for 2 months or more and still know nothing [05:19] the pro and fly are the experts [05:19] say hi to magespawn [05:20] For one. If a merge is approved, is it possible to revert to an older version later? I mean, If I make a change, at it get approved, but later breaks the whole project, can it be undone? [05:20] hi mopkop [05:20] Hello Magespawn! [05:20] i think so, because i break things often and they fix it again [05:21] mopkop: as far as i know all the changes can be undone, but you would have to proceed with caution because removing soething might break even more features [05:22] my 'm' is giving me hasel today [05:22] lol like my t [05:22] s/soething/something [05:22] sticky key or something [05:22] ya [05:23] Lol, that's comforting to know. Second question, does someone actually ftp the changes onto the web-server or is the web-server somehow synced with the whole project? [05:23] Kilos: wiki edited [05:23] you use nikola to actaully build the site for you on your local browser [05:23] ty magespawn [05:24] not sure, but i think the superfly has to send the changes to the webserver [05:24] /sthe/that [05:24] wow [05:24] ya thats on our site [05:24] s/the/that [05:25] mopkop look on our site there is a tutorial for our site [05:29] Yes, I saw it. Still have to learn Nikola, Just played around with the source files for the site. It seems simple enough. [05:30] somewhere the pro has put a quick way to get nikola going [05:30] easy one [05:32] the how to has been pasted somewhere [05:32] I figured out enough to create pages and edit the theme, not sure how the parsing works tho. Does the source files go in, and then Nikola pops out html files? [05:33] yip [05:33] And then Superfly uploads the files onto the web-server? [05:34] he decides if proposed things are good for merging into our site [05:34] so you make a branch and then propose it or something like that [05:36] Yes, I figured as much. Just curious on how automated the process is. And who's responsible for what. [05:38] in my understanding you make your own branch and run it locally on your browser to see what it looks like [05:38] O, I can do that? [05:38] then you take your branch to launchpad and propose it [05:38] Already installed Nikola. [05:39] you will see when you start nikols it will give a link for running locally [05:39] what version mopkop ? [05:40] Of NIkola? Aparently it's up to date, so the newest one? [05:41] that depends on the version of your os [05:41] 14.04 [05:41] Nikola version 6.2.1 [05:42] "nikola -v" without the quotes will tell you [05:42] in the pros paste the is commands that do its upgrading etc [05:42] superfly said that it has to be at least version 7 [05:42] Ugh, I got the newest in the default repos. [05:43] Where do I get a newer one? [05:43] wiat man [05:43] version 7 comes with 14.10 default repos [05:43] im trying to see if i saved the info [05:44] i think you can get the .deb file from the nikola website, is you do not want to do a release upgrade [05:44] s/is/if [05:44] i saved this http://bin.snyman.info/4gyxs [05:45] see the new bin magespawn [05:45] Are there any disadvantages to not having the LTS version? [05:45] there is more somewhwere [05:46] lts is supported for longer so you not upgrading all the time like with later releases [05:46] with a new release there are sometimes a couple of upgrades a day [05:46] mopkop: means you have the latest version of everything that has been tested, security patches etc [05:47] hmm, Is the non-LTS less stable then? [05:47] small things they do all the time [05:48] yes, there is also a non-stable release, but i would not use that except for testing [05:50] Where do I get the .deb file? [05:51] for what? [05:51] let me check [05:51] Nikola 7 [05:51] wait man [05:51] there is a command you run in nikola that updates it [05:51] http://getnikola.com/ [05:52] Kilos: i think that would only check for the latest version in the repos for the os [05:52] wait im pasting it [05:52] you dont run nikola on its own [05:53] you run it in you branch of bzr [05:53] Yes, I figured as much. [05:53] http://bin.snyman.info/bd5mk [05:54] What is pip? [05:54] python install thing [05:55] Okay, got it from the repos. [05:55] hope it's the right version. [05:56] there is a command that will update it [05:56] pip install --upgrade nikola [05:56] ugh no, it's not in the default repos :( [05:56] but that doesnt update the one from the repos you have installed [05:57] what do you see if you run the first command? [05:59] O wait, it's called Python-pi [06:00] Python-pip [06:02] pip install --upgrade nikola worked [06:02] yay [06:03] go through the whole list i pasted [06:03] wait [06:03] i missed some [06:04] http://bin.snyman.info/npcn4 [06:04] sorry [06:10] I really should learn to do things the propper way. Forgot the Prerequisites, now I have to start all over again. [06:10] it will remember what is done [06:11] i didnt paste the full thing first time, you okes are too fast [06:13] next time i dont need to hunt for it [06:13] Maaz nikola [06:13] http://bin.snyman.info/npcn4 [06:30] How do I open the site in my browser? [06:30] 127.0.0.1 Does not work. [06:30] Nevermind [06:30] 0.0.0.0:8000 [06:31] Going to church now. [06:31] pray for us [06:31] and sort the dominee [06:31] OK :) I'll put the service on the Church's website :) [06:40] whew so much so early [07:28] busy day already [07:28] ya no rest for the wicked [07:29] indeed just been having a discussion with the wife about our futures etc [07:29] everything of the best magespawn [07:38] ty Kilos [07:38] lots of things to plan and sort out [07:54] major planning before moving [08:00] and major work moving [08:38] high school, primary school, two jobs, house, and a car [08:38] and the move [08:38] ai! good luck [08:38] simple really [08:38] in your dreams [08:40] i never said easy, just simple, do this do that then done [08:40] rofl [08:44] I'm back :) [08:45] I was trying out Nikola commands and I tried the deploy command, convinced it would give me an error, instead it said [2015-03-01T08:20:46Z] INFO: deploy: Successful deployment. Does this mean I have access to the site? I don't want to break something. [08:46] which site are you working with [08:47] A test-branch I made for the ubuntu-za.org site. [08:47] did you do nikola build [08:47] and nikola serve [08:48] then open it in your browser [08:48] Yes, and then serve, and it works well locally. But I thought I needed to submit with Bazaar and superfly must upload. [08:49] wait for fly to come help, im bang [08:49] Maybe I misunderstand the deploy command. [08:49] that is only if you want it on the net, this way you do it locally ans tweek anything before you propose the merge [08:49] s/ans/and [08:50] you cannot make any changes to the ain site unless you have the authority to commit and merge [08:50] s/ain/main [08:51] lol slow down magespawn [08:51] only superfly and inetpro can do that [08:54] Yes I know. But I'm wondering about the web-server. I do not understand the process of uploading the site onto net. The source files is distributed on our computers, but the html files Nikola generates, who uploads it onto the server? Or does the server also have bazaar and is set to update itself automatically and build the source files. Also, disregarding Bazaar, kan Nikola directly deploy the site to the web-server, why does [08:55] if i remember correctly you tke the htl files generated by nikola and move the to your webhost [08:56] So what does the deploy command do? [08:57] our nikola files are on launchpad bzr so that we can all work on them, i do not think i matters where they are kept [08:58] mopkop: not sure are there any switches or such for that command such deploy "http://www.ubuntu-za.org" [08:59] According to Nikola's site, the user must script his own deplyment procedure. So when I typed in the command, it must have run a script superfly(?) created. [09:00] or maybe just done nothing at all? [09:02] Yes it seems the deploy script is commented out, so it just did nothing. in the conf.py file all there is, is: [09:02] # DEPLOY_COMMANDS = { [09:02] # 'default': [ [09:02] # "rsync -rav --delete output/ joe@my.site:/srv/www/site", [09:02] # ] [09:02] # } [09:02] from what i can read that does deploy the site, but it would somehow need to be told where to do that [09:02] Just a smaple, I guess. [09:03] i also presume you would need to have access set up on the webserver to be able to deploy the site [09:04] somewhere bzr up fits in [09:05] Yes I thought so too, but I thought it could be possible that login details are somehow contained in the config-file. In which case it would be possible. But then that would be a serious security issue. [09:05] i dont know [09:06] knowing superfly he would probable have private key access set up using a secure connection [09:09] Yea, probably. I really should stop worrying so much. I don't want to break anything. [09:09] lol [09:10] relax [09:10] as i understand things the system is pretty bullet proof [09:10] you can also mail your bzr stuff to the mailing list i think fly said [09:11] didnt he say that magespawn ? [09:11] *Idiotproof! That makes me feel safe :) [09:11] that was made for me [09:11] can't recall Kilos [09:15] oh mopkop is that the howto for gpg? [09:16] Yes, But I'm gona redo it. I made it too long, and did not explain much. [09:16] But I'm going to use that as source. So your input will be appreciated. [09:16] just paste it to the bin [09:16] http://bin.snyman.info [09:17] lol you must explain everything haarfyn [09:18] that gpg is a major mission [09:18] I''l remake it on Nikola format, so we can upload it onto the web. It'll give me a chance to try out the Bzr system. [09:19] whatever you find best [09:19] im lost with all that stuff [09:20] then it can also be included in the site and maybe the wiki too [09:21] magespawn find a job that will give you irc connection and time [09:21] Yes, The text version I'll leave in the bin. So we can refer people over IRC (when needed). [09:21] its maybe also time to revive ubuntu-za women [09:21] How do I tell Maaz to remember the link? [09:22] Kilos: and one that payes enough money? [09:22] Maaz bla bla is link [09:22] Kilos: Got it [09:22] ya magespawn lots [09:22] Maaz bla bla [09:22] link [09:22] haha [09:22] Maaz forget bla bla [09:22] Kilos: Sure [09:22] the impossible i can miracles just take a bit longer [09:23] Maaz Code of Conduct is http://bin.snyman.info/rcecy [09:23] mopkop: I'll remember that [09:23] Code of Conduct [09:23] mopkop Maaz blabla is link [09:23] Maaz code of conduct [09:23] http://bin.snyman.info/rcecy [09:23] :) [09:24] Maaz Thank You! [09:24] mopkop: Sure [09:26] The website's responsive view doesn't work well. Try playing around with it's width. As you make it smaller, before the dropdownmeny kicks in, the forum link goes to the next 'line'. Then it blocks everything beneath it. [09:26] Might a propose a fix? [09:26] are you talking the live site now, or your local version? [09:27] The live site. It is a problem with the template. [09:27] indeed mopkop that is the point of bzr [09:28] ake the change locally, propose it via bzr etc, and supefly or inetpro will look at it and proceed from there [09:28] s/ake/make [09:30] I see, So I just make a branch called "Fix Responsive navbar", make the fix, and push it to the server? [09:37] something like that ya [09:37] hehe [09:38] i am not sure on the naming protocol for the branchs [10:08] bbl just have to go do a bit of shopping [10:08] Ok, good luck! [10:11] It would seem there are only three ways to fix this problem. a) Delete one menu item. b) Make the nav-bar so it doesn't float. c) Change the bootstrap code - so it doesn't double the nav-bar between 992px and 768px. Which would be the best? [10:53] hi Dirtydeedsman [10:53] morning, How are you doing? [10:54] about ready to go sleep after over filling tummy and you? [13:08] mopkop1: maybe pose that question to superfly [13:08] Kilos: just did exactly that [13:08] sec [13:09] what question was that magespawn [13:10] oh [13:10] now i lost me more [13:10] way back around 12:11 [13:11] WHEW [13:11] oops [13:12] lol beter ask fly [13:13] oh ya the cheeky fly [13:13] the I'm not bald yet fly" [13:13] brb [13:16] hmm... [13:32] uh oh fly crashed [13:37] Maaz coffee on [13:37] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [13:41] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [13:46] Maaz ty [13:46] You are welcome Kilos [14:14] inetpro ? [14:50] brb [14:58] hi Xethron [15:04] theblazehen you still alive? [15:48] good afternoon [15:48] Maaz: coffee on [15:48] * Maaz puts the kettle on [15:52] Coffee's ready for charl! [15:53] hi charl [15:54] did you break my connection? [15:56] hi Kilos [15:56] your connection ? [15:56] Kilos (~miles@ubuntu/member/kilos) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:56] it appears that peer is guilty not me [16:00] lol [16:00] stupid modem just forgot to work [16:01] super retro gaming http://i.imgur.com/VDVQysA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/tnzryHE.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lnZ5o1h.jpg [16:19] hi all [16:20] hi magespawn [16:20] wooo [16:20] Your application has been submitted successfully. You will receive your certificate shortly. [16:20] Thank you [16:20] The Community Team [16:20] now to hope our snail mail system can work a bit longer [16:23] wat is dat Kilos ? [16:23] ubuntu membership certificate [16:23] signed by mark [16:27] hah cool beans [16:28] lol i still have to work out the email thing, but need to try when nothing else to do [16:28] looks like a serious job [16:29] what email thing? [16:30] mark shuttleworth ? [16:30] nice ! [16:30] you get a goodie that marks your mail as from ubuntu something or other [16:31] ya that mark [16:31] ah so you're all casual with him hey ... "mark" :D [16:31] you're on first name terms already [16:31] * charl sees Kilos speaking regularly to shuttleworth over the phone now [16:31] llo no man but typing it all is hard work [16:31] lol [16:32] you see him in the streets "hey mark old boy how's it going" [16:32] i can admire him though [16:32] he's a controversial fellow [16:32] in the open source community [16:32] he fought our govt when they tried to charge him for moving money out the country [16:33] they wanted to claim 2546million of it [16:33] and won [16:33] he won the case and donated it to charity [16:33] who won ? [16:33] ah [16:34] 256 mill [16:34] i think giving it away was a bit of a slap in the face [16:35] in the face of the government ? [16:36] like "i rather want charity to have it because you don't deserve it"? [16:36] ya [16:36] interestikng [16:36] s/k// [16:37] classic move that imo [16:38] very cool [16:39] at least it won't being going to another ikandla [16:39] lol [16:45] wb magespawn [16:45] ty flaky cell signal [16:50] superfly have you done it? [16:50] https://forms.canonical.com/certificate/ [17:03] what does this certification do for you ? [17:07] self satisfactio [17:07] n [17:08] lol [17:08] in other words, nothing :P [17:08] and the knowledge of being part of something bigger than you [17:08] i am part of something bigger [17:08] i don't need certification for it :P [17:08] cool enjoy it [17:08] :D [17:09] at times you sound like a windows user [17:09] nono [17:09] lol [17:09] why ? [17:10] think about it [17:11] being part of something as great as ubuntu and being accepted into a group of well under 2000 is lekker in my opinion [17:13] wb magespawn [17:18] 753 active members [17:23] good evening [17:23] evening inetpro [17:23] uh... oh hi Kilos as well [17:23] haha [17:25] superfly: ping [17:32] Kilos: can we not start over? [17:33] from where inetpro ? [17:33] Kilos: I mean with your africa website... as in start from fresh [17:33] i follow you, you make the decisions [17:33] ai! :-) [17:33] hehe [17:33] twit [17:33] i break things remember [17:33] tweet tweet [17:34] oh i tweeted morgs today [17:34] in and out, on that note i am going to say good night all [17:34] night magespawn sleep tight [17:34] ai! [17:34] ai! what [17:34] magespawn: goeie nag [17:35] we can start afresh inetpro [17:35] i dont mind [17:36] question is how [17:36] same way [17:36] hehe [17:36] steal za site data [17:36] most of the big work has already been done [17:37] yeah but the stuff on launchpad needs to forget the history [17:37] you got admin there [17:38] ahh.. I see the option to Delete branch [17:38] what is the prob there [17:38]