| Noskcaj | bluesabre, looks pretty much the same | 00:50 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | knome: its the only other theme we install, it must be important ;) | 01:26 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: alrighty, let's go with gtk3 for now :) | 01:27 |
| Noskcaj | in the ppa | 01:27 |
| bluesabre | good job | 01:27 |
| bluesabre | :) | 01:27 |
| knome | bluesabre, squeak squeak | 01:28 |
| bluesabre | knome: moo moo | 01:43 |
| knome | :) | 01:43 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: do we want to set /xfwm4/general/borderless_maximize to FALSE in x-d-s? | 01:43 |
| knome | bluesabre, np: Edson / I Am the Ostrich | 01:46 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: wat, when does the work finally end? i thought we just *released* something big?? | 01:47 |
| ochosi | and no, we don't have to | 01:47 |
| knome | i knew we'd have questions about 4.12 in trusty... i've seen several today already | 01:47 |
| ochosi | obviously you didn't read the memo (despite releasing it) http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=b7b62c69add6a4bf5d6bde52548b5346d3a78265 | 01:47 |
| knome | lol | 01:47 |
| bluesabre | :D | 01:48 |
| bluesabre | I copy and paste like a champ | 01:48 |
| knome | oh, so that's how you got your job | 01:48 |
| * knome hides | 01:48 | |
| ochosi | hehe | 01:48 |
| bluesabre | :D | 01:48 |
| bluesabre | working with jquery, I spend a lot of time copy-pasting, yes | 01:49 |
| knome | hah! | 01:49 |
| knome | that's cheating | 01:49 |
| ochosi | hah | 01:49 |
| knome | jquery is relatively easy | 01:49 |
| knome | *i* can write it.. | 01:49 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I can write it no problem | 01:49 |
| knome | ochosi, https://twitter.com/xfceofficial/status/571784832092659712 | 01:49 |
| bluesabre | its the libraries that use it that kill me | 01:49 |
| bluesabre | but thats -offtopic :P | 01:50 |
| knome | heh | 01:50 |
| bluesabre | brb, time for a clean reboot | 01:50 |
| * knome prepares going to bed | 01:50 | |
| ochosi | hmm, what do we have in the PPA already? | 01:51 |
| Noskcaj | All the stuff that isn't versioned as 4.12 should be done in PPA | 01:52 |
| Noskcaj | plus dev-tools and xfdesktop4 | 01:53 |
| ochosi | wait, all the stuff that is *not* ? | 01:53 |
| Noskcaj | e.g. garcon | 01:54 |
| Noskcaj | part of the 4.12 release, but not 4.12.* | 01:54 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Noskcaj has been packaging things, going to start syncing to our PPAs | 01:54 |
| ochosi | ah ok, not yet synced | 01:54 |
| ochosi | that's what i wanted to know | 01:54 |
| ochosi | thanks Noskcaj! | 01:54 |
| Noskcaj | np | 01:54 |
| ochosi | great that things are moving so swiftly suddenly :) | 01:55 |
| Noskcaj | I had an issue with exo, so it's not done. | 01:55 |
| ochosi | sure, but it's a great start | 01:55 |
| ochosi | i mean the weekend isn't over yet ;) | 01:55 |
| bluesabre | :D | 01:55 |
| bluesabre | its only just begun | 01:55 |
| Noskcaj | Are we ok with the xfwm4 default changes? compositing and window previews by default | 01:55 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, midday sunday | 01:56 |
| ochosi | tomorrow there'll be tons of 4.12.1 releases to fix oversights | 01:56 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: yes, that's fine for us | 01:56 |
| Noskcaj | as in, that's the time now | 01:56 |
| Noskcaj | cool | 01:56 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: sorry your weekend gets to you faster :( | 01:56 |
| ochosi | ah darn, i forgot that you live in the future, Noskcaj | 01:56 |
| Noskcaj | :) | 01:56 |
| knome | ochosi, the new default wallpaper for 4.12 is really nice ;) | 01:56 |
| bluesabre | +1 | 01:56 |
| knome | ochosi, which version did you end up using? | 01:56 |
| ochosi | hehe, someone loves themselves some self-praise over here ;) | 01:57 |
| bluesabre | haha | 01:57 |
| * knome coughs :P | 01:57 | |
| knome | knowingly he asks! | 01:57 |
| ochosi | i tweaked the colors of the v3 to work better on bad displays | 01:57 |
| knome | ok | 01:57 |
| knome | i'm lazy, so you should pop the latest version somewhere | 01:58 |
| ochosi | well, bad displays remain bad, but at least the wall should look a little less bland there now | 01:58 |
| ochosi | the source is even in the xfce-artwork tarball | 01:58 |
| ochosi | on xfce.org | 01:59 |
| * ochosi did his homework | 01:59 | |
| knome | i told you i'm lazy | 01:59 |
| knome | bah :P | 01:59 |
| ochosi | gah, tomorrow i have to add redirects for all the 4.11 docs to 4.12 | 01:59 |
| ochosi | craaaaap :) | 01:59 |
| knome | heh | 01:59 |
| ochosi | and make the 1.4 powerman docs the main docs and all that | 01:59 |
| knome | hmm | 01:59 |
| ochosi | doc-rotate | 01:59 |
| knome | why isn't there the new wallpaper on frontpage? | 01:59 |
| bluesabre | I'll be around in the morning (your noon/afternoon) | 02:00 |
| ochosi | i think that part just hasn't been touched yet | 02:00 |
| bluesabre | knome: front page not updated it seems | 02:00 |
| knome | mhm | 02:00 |
| knome | ochosi, not here: http://archive.xfce.org/src/art/xfce4-artwork/ | 02:00 |
| knome | oh | 02:00 |
| ochosi | not here? http://cdn.xfce.org/downloads/xfce_artwork.tar.bz2 | 02:00 |
| knome | no | 02:00 |
| knome | can't be there | 02:00 |
| ochosi | nick said he updated the tarball with the svg and i trusted him | 02:01 |
| knome | fwiw, | 02:01 |
| ochosi | end of story | 02:01 |
| knome | we should add the svg logo there | 02:01 |
| knome | oh | 02:01 |
| knome | it's there | 02:01 |
| knome | i wonder which version it is | 02:01 |
| knome | says 2005... | 02:01 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: sounds good, maybe we can get some more stuff done | 02:01 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, dunno, i guess you gotta ask nick about these things | 02:01 |
| knome | ah, it's just the mose icon | 02:02 |
| knome | mouse | 02:02 |
| knome | yeaah... | 02:02 |
| ochosi | a moose? | 02:02 |
| knome | that. | 02:02 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: although i hope not too much will turn up until then... | 02:02 |
| * knome just switched to using the xfce wallpapers | 02:04 | |
| bluesabre | ochosi: hopefully not | 02:12 |
| knome | anything else you need from me before i hit the sack? | 02:13 |
| bluesabre | knome: go, be free | 02:13 |
| ochosi | hit it! | 02:13 |
| ochosi | plural? | 02:14 |
| knome | night everybody | 02:17 |
| zero_x | Noob question here, Is 15.04 going to include XFCE 4.12? | 02:28 |
| bluesabre | zero_x: Yes | 02:29 |
| zero_x | Thanks | 02:29 |
| bluesabre | np | 02:29 |
| bluesabre | I get a star for that one | 02:29 |
| * ochosi pins a star on bluesabre's chest | 02:30 | |
| bluesabre | yeowch! | 02:30 |
| ochosi | how do you like the honor now? | 02:31 |
| bluesabre | :D | 02:31 |
| Noskcaj | Should appfinder be changed to gtk3? | 02:40 |
| ochosi | not sure, you could check the mem footprint and test the performance | 02:40 |
| ochosi | there's not really any obvious reason to switch to gtk3 for any of those apps, other than maybe help xfce test stuf | 02:40 |
| ochosi | f | 02:40 |
| Noskcaj | ok, i'll leave it on gtk2 then test gtk3 later | 02:41 |
| Noskcaj | Should we be trying to get whiskermenu 1.5 for 15.04? | 02:44 |
| ochosi | would be nice, after all, then we can also ship the settings file in the proper place | 02:44 |
| Noskcaj | I'll make an FFe sometime soonish then | 02:45 |
| ochosi | yeah, but don't forget there that we need to move the config | 02:45 |
| ochosi | for the default setup i mean | 02:45 |
| ochosi | other than that, goody | 02:45 |
| Noskcaj | Well shit. we have to rebuild all of xfce | 02:57 |
| ochosi | from the ground? | 02:57 |
| Noskcaj | libxfce4util got a SONAME bump | 02:57 |
| Noskcaj | 0 other changes from 4.11, but rebuild time | 02:58 |
| Noskcaj | I nominate bluesabre, since upload rights are needed for that type of thing | 02:59 |
| * bluesabre stops uploading | 02:59 | |
| Noskcaj | I've uploaded util to ppa now, just parole and exo left. | 03:01 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: I'll upload libxfce4util and libxfce4ui in the morning, trigger rebuilds of things already uploaded, and the upload everything else | 03:01 |
| Noskcaj | cool | 03:01 |
| bluesabre | thanks for all your hard work | 03:01 |
| ochosi | +1 | 03:02 |
| Noskcaj | np | 03:02 |
| Noskcaj | I'm just glad to see 4.12 released | 03:02 |
| bluesabre | yeah, glad to have some code we've been hacking on for a few years get the "stable" label | 03:02 |
| Noskcaj | hopefully 4.14's gtk3, wnck3, glib2.0 won't take as long | 03:03 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | I think this release will definitely remind people that xfce is still around | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | we might get more development interest | 03:05 |
| Noskcaj | That's the dream | 03:05 |
| bluesabre | and people stepping up to help with porting :) | 03:05 |
| ochosi | so far only big words :) | 03:07 |
| ochosi | but that might change | 03:08 |
| bluesabre | I expect it will | 03:11 |
| ochosi | so tomorrow: doc-rotate and set up 4.14 roadmap page | 03:12 |
| bluesabre | sweet | 03:12 |
| bluesabre | heading to bed, night all | 03:19 |
| Noskcaj | One change i found with mousepad, the statusbar is gone when you change to gtk3 and when re-enabled it is twice as high. I'm not sure if that's just from the new mousepad release though | 03:37 |
| elfy | ochosi: QA incentive - same person for cycle to end of Feb and Beta, saves on postage I guess :D | 09:32 |
| knome | lol | 09:42 |
| knome | what's our policy on that? | 09:42 |
| knome | i mean, do we keep sending stickers to the same person | 09:42 |
| knome | or can you win at most one milestone/month/final per cycle? | 09:42 |
| elfy | well - I guess if I'd have thought of the scenario last cycle then I would have 1 at most per cycle | 09:45 |
| elfy | of course we could just make it include team as well - I'd only want 1 set ever :D | 09:45 |
| knome | well we run the competition, we decide the rules :P | 09:45 |
| knome | i guess we can see how march goes and if the same person wins again | 09:46 |
| elfy | well it's an open field currently :D | 09:46 |
| knome | then try to get other people more interested in beating them :P | 09:46 |
| * knome looks at the doc | 09:47 | |
| knome | hmmwait | 09:47 |
| elfy | see what happens when an actual real result turns up on blog etc | 09:47 |
| knome | that's not here | 09:47 |
| knome | there it is.. | 09:47 |
| elfy | :D | 09:47 |
| elfy | oh good god - I see a Pasi peering at me ... | 09:47 |
| knome | ;) | 09:47 |
| knome | and yeah, i think the contest should include team | 09:48 |
| knome | kind of insane not to... | 09:48 |
| elfy | I don't agree - and you know why :) | 09:48 |
| knome | i love the boolean bit for the team column :D | 09:48 |
| elfy | ? | 09:48 |
| knome | 0/1 | 09:48 |
| elfy | oh so it sorts easy :D | 09:49 |
| elfy | yea | 09:49 |
| knome | well maybe with the "team person can only win once ever" | 09:49 |
| knome | compared to "regular person can only win once per cycle" or so | 09:49 |
| elfy | if we include team then we need to do 2 each time imo - team AND user | 09:49 |
| knome | well, | 09:50 |
| knome | maybe | 09:50 |
| knome | or just limit team wins to once ever as i said | 09:50 |
| knome | it just feels wrong that jack did 57 tests and doesn't get a sticker | 09:50 |
| knome | because he happens to be in the ~xubuntu-team LP team | 09:50 |
| elfy | oic | 09:50 |
| elfy | so team doesn't include me :( | 09:50 |
| knome | well you too | 09:50 |
| elfy | ha :) | 09:51 |
| knome | but i wanted to make another example :P | 09:51 |
| elfy | heh | 09:51 |
| elfy | anyway - so reasoning | 09:51 |
| elfy | I kind of expect people in team to test - or we're really bad, this was a way to get people outside more involved | 09:52 |
| elfy | but I'm happy enough Jack getting a set, and slickymaster next month | 09:52 |
| knome | understood :) | 09:52 |
| knome | that's a fair argument | 09:53 |
| knome | then again | 09:53 |
| elfy | as long as we have 2 each time - User and Team | 09:53 |
| knome | we're all doing this voluntarily... | 09:53 |
| elfy | otherwise - completely pointless and we should stop now imo | 09:53 |
| knome | well as i said we could limit team wins to once ever | 09:53 |
| knome | eg. once you've won, you're banned from the competition | 09:53 |
| knome | in march, april, beta2, final, ww cycle, xx cycle, ... | 09:54 |
| knome | with that policy, i really don't think we need to do two winners :) | 09:54 |
| knome | if things go on like they are going on now | 09:54 |
| elfy | then I refuse to be involved in this | 09:54 |
| knome | just my idea | 09:54 |
| elfy | the WHOLE point was to get users involved | 09:54 |
| knome | agree | 09:54 |
| knome | i guess we need to ask pleia2 how many stickers she has :) | 09:55 |
| elfy | pretty sure there's sufficient for this cycle | 09:55 |
| knome | yes, without the doubles for the team | 09:55 |
| knome | maybe | 09:55 |
| knome | i don't remember exactly | 09:55 |
| knome | but then | 09:55 |
| elfy | "pleia2 has 20 bundles" | 09:55 |
| knome | if we do two sets, user/team, isn't it unfair that people on the team have advantage :P | 09:56 |
| knome | and wouldn't that mean elfy wins every time anyway ;D | 09:56 |
| elfy | lol | 09:56 |
| elfy | I could massage the figures and not only put 50% of mine on the tracker :D | 09:56 |
| knome | so a team category, where anybody can win at most once ever? | 09:56 |
| elfy | go down as low as 5% or something | 09:57 |
| knome | wouldn't that be almost the same than just order stickers for everybody in the team and get on with it :P | 09:57 |
| elfy | knome: lol | 09:57 |
| knome | because at some point, you *have* to win | 09:57 |
| knome | with 1 test, or sth :P | 09:57 |
| knome | because everybody else is disqualified.. | 09:58 |
| elfy | knome: yea - but who'd want to trundle over the line last at the end next cycle :p | 09:58 |
| * knome volunteers | 09:58 | |
| elfy | too late - you appear to have done 2 :D | 09:59 |
| knome | :(( | 09:59 |
| elfy | anyway ... | 09:59 |
| elfy | I don't mind team included, but then we must have 2 | 09:59 |
| elfy | or I do mind | 09:59 |
| elfy | bear in mind that when we started thinking of this - I said team not included | 10:00 |
| knome | yes | 10:00 |
| elfy | no-one said anything | 10:00 |
| elfy | too late to start now ;) | 10:00 |
| knome | i have no arguments against that | 10:00 |
| knome | it's mainly that it feels bad for people who did so much more - you, jack and david | 10:00 |
| elfy | yea I understand that point for sure | 10:01 |
| elfy | not me - but them anyway | 10:01 |
| knome | mhm | 10:03 |
| ochosi | hey everyone | 10:56 |
| elfy | morning ochosi | 10:57 |
| ochosi | i think it's ok that now the same person won the QA incentive twice | 10:59 |
| ochosi | but we should make that public (on all channels) and tell people to give him/her more competition | 10:59 |
| ochosi | the programme might even benefit from this | 11:00 |
| elfy | yes - but no need to send 2 lots of stickers | 11:00 |
| ochosi | sure | 11:00 |
| knome | if you want the certificate sent, be in touch with me :) | 11:03 |
| knome | i'll be off most of today | 11:03 |
| knome | but i'll be around tomorrow | 11:03 |
| elfy | I think that we should inform them and everyone else before we do any sending of anything tbh | 11:04 |
| ochosi | yup | 11:04 |
| ochosi | +1 on that | 11:04 |
| knome | sure, but also nice to have the cert prepared :) | 12:04 |
| elfy | there is that :) | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | good morning everyone | 12:40 |
| ochosi | hey bluesabre | 12:41 |
| elfy | hi bluesabre :) | 12:41 |
| elfy | oh good lord another one lol ... | 12:42 |
| ochosi | yeah, we might want/need a factoid for that :) | 12:42 |
| elfy | like !ffs :p | 12:42 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: finish the 4.12PPA already, ppl are getting on our nerves in #xubuntu! | 12:42 |
| ochosi | elfy: hehe | 12:42 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: I think I'll upload everything that depends on libxfce4util with a dependency wait on it, then push util to trigger the rebuild | 12:43 |
| elfy | yea - good lord bluesabre - did you need sleep or something? | 12:43 |
| bluesabre | elfy: wife's comment last night "holy crap your eyes look black, look at those shadows" | 12:43 |
| elfy | I guess we could fiddle with topic for the moment | 12:43 |
| bluesabre | seems so :D | 12:43 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 12:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre, Noskcaj: in case you were wondering, the 4util soname bump didn't happen for no reason: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4util/commit/configure.ac.in?id=ca7a3720e193e29dbc9f20306149c93e49a81c89 | 12:44 |
| * elfy has vision of bluesabre as one of those emo weirdos | 12:44 | |
| bluesabre | ochosi: saw | 12:44 |
| ochosi | k | 12:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: crap, i think i have another patch for greybird... | 13:07 |
| ochosi | tiny one-liner, but still | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: alrighty, I'll upload that one after all of xfce | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | :P | 13:07 |
| elfy | :) | 13:17 |
| bluesabre | elfy: at what time are the new dailies built? | 13:25 |
| elfy | well ... it appears to be a bit of a movable feast | 13:26 |
| elfy | used to be ~11-12UTC | 13:26 |
| elfy | all I can say at the moment it is before 13:27UTC | 13:27 |
| bluesabre | so, it should be safe to start uploading packages that break things in a fresh image until all is uploaded | 13:28 |
| elfy | yep - you should be good now till tomorrow | 13:28 |
| bluesabre | good deal | 13:29 |
| bluesabre | don't update for a few hours | 13:29 |
| elfy | I've just going to check a handful of buidlogs | 13:29 |
| elfy | bluesabre: ftr - it 'appears' to build roundabout 10:00UTC | 13:31 |
| bluesabre | this first required upload might actually get stuck since it introduces a new package | 13:32 |
| * bluesabre watches | 13:34 | |
| * elfy waits an hour to update and complain | 13:35 | |
| bluesabre | wait long please | 13:36 |
| bluesabre | gotta rebuild all xfce packages | 13:36 |
| bluesabre | er | 13:36 |
| bluesabre | and blueman | 13:36 |
| elfy | oh lord - no wonder I was confused - convinced I was running kubuntu :p | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | :P | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | getting pulled away by all that plasma4 business | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | *plasma5 | 13:37 |
| elfy | :) | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | I do not seem to be centered on my keyboard | 13:37 |
| elfy | I'm having trouble centering on the planet atm :) | 13:38 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:38 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: maybe i'll have to tweak the xfwm4 tabwin preview size | 13:39 |
| elfy | bluesabre: anyway I'll make sure not to update any 'dubious choices' till the morning | 13:39 |
| ochosi | so gimme an hour or (lunch) to look into that before up'ing greybird | 13:39 |
| bluesabre | elfy: thanks | 13:39 |
| elfy | unless you actually want me to - then just shout | 13:39 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: no hurry to upload that ;) | 13:39 |
| bluesabre | once that one lands, going to upload so many things >.< | 13:40 |
| elfy | bluesabre: bad man - you answer him in #xubuntu now :D | 13:46 |
| bluesabre | lol | 13:47 |
| elfy | just give him your twitter link | 13:47 |
| * elfy is doing that :D | 13:47 | |
| elfy | and did :) | 13:47 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:47 |
| elfy | though will the ppa get all updated stuff in it - just wondering? | 13:49 |
| bluesabre | will eventually get to the xfce-412 ppa | 13:49 |
| bluesabre | vivid > xfce-412 ppa for utopic > ppa for trusty > trusty SRUs as needed | 13:51 |
| elfy | bluesabre: thanks for the path :) | 13:56 |
| elfy | won't affect me of course - but helps to know :) | 13:56 |
| elfy | bluesabre: going to be a long day is it ;) | 14:48 |
| bluesabre | since the queue might take a while, each of the new packages were pushed to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging/+packages and are building | 14:48 |
| bluesabre | elfy: yes | 14:48 |
| bluesabre | :( | 14:48 |
| elfy | is it still cold and snowy? | 14:49 |
| * bluesabre wonders if Logan can release libxfce4util | 14:49 | |
| bluesabre | elfy: slight upgrade, cold and rainy | 14:50 |
| ochosi | hmm, so that one's still stuck? | 14:50 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: it created a new binary package with the change | 14:50 |
| bluesabre | libxfce4util6 > libxfce4util7 | 14:50 |
| bluesabre | so it goes to NEW | 14:50 |
| ochosi | yeah, makes sense | 14:50 |
| bluesabre | we have to wait for that to clear before pushing the others, otherwise I'll just have to rebuild everything | 14:51 |
| ochosi | the devel related channels are fairly quiet today | 14:51 |
| bluesabre | post-b2 | 14:51 |
| bluesabre | nobody is around | 14:51 |
| bluesabre | hoping ScottK shows up and hits the button | 14:51 |
| elfy | bluesabre: I'd guess that for sure | 14:51 |
| bluesabre | or | 14:51 |
| bluesabre | b1 | 14:51 |
| bluesabre | w/e :D | 14:52 |
| elfy | the B1 not the ScottK that is | 14:52 |
| bluesabre | once it does clear, rebuilds have to go then or the new image will probably fail | 14:52 |
| bluesabre | so busy day... eventually | 14:53 |
| ochosi | right | 14:53 |
| ochosi | bluesabre, elfy: could you try the window previews option in xfwm4-advanced->compositor in alt-tab and tell me what you think about the default size of the previews? | 14:54 |
| ochosi | i could specify the size in greybird too | 14:54 |
| ochosi | depends on whether we think this is ok | 14:54 |
| ochosi | whoops, i bumped our progress quite a bit by linking the 4.12 bugreport to our blueprint :] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-flavor-xubuntu.html | 14:56 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: it seems fine to me | 14:57 |
| elfy | ochosi: do you mean the preview when alt-tabbing? | 14:57 |
| elfy | if so - looks fine to me | 14:57 |
| ochosi | and, do we want to use that as default | 14:57 |
| elfy | I'd say so | 14:58 |
| bluesabre | https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging now has all the changes we'd like to land today | 14:59 |
| ochosi | performance wise there seems to be practically no penalty | 14:59 |
| ochosi | awesome sauce, bluesabre | 14:59 |
| ochosi | the previews can look a bit bulky | 15:00 |
| elfy | ochosi: looks pretty well balanced here for the desktop - smaller I'd be just seeing a square circle, bigger would look too much | 15:01 |
| ochosi | okeydoke, then i won't add any value in greybird | 15:01 |
| ochosi | (it's based on the 64px icon size i'm already setting there anyway) | 15:01 |
| ochosi | hm isn't this a duplicate? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1426895 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1426895 in exo (Ubuntu) "exo fails to open webbrowser with link as argument" [Undecided,New] | 15:02 |
| elfy | yep | 15:02 |
| bluesabre | fixed in exo 0.10.3 | 15:02 |
| bluesabre | (not uploaded yet) | 15:02 |
| elfy | bluesabre: you want me to see if it all goes horribly wrong with an update? | 15:05 |
| ochosi | i'm upgrading to the staging pkgs now | 15:06 |
| ochosi | brb | 15:06 |
| elfy | I guess so then :D | 15:07 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, I know you've got other irons in the fire right now, but when you get a chance, can you look at the Appearance and Display doc pages? | 15:11 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: could you indeed at the patch to greybird? i don't wanna do any further changes for now | 15:11 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: oh nice! i'll take a quick peek now | 15:11 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, if you can verify that I've got the screenshots looking right, but also I have some questions on the text on the Appearance page. | 15:11 |
| elfy | afternoon brainwash :) | 15:12 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: you can steal some screenshots from the 4.12 tour for the docs btw ;) (esp themes and icons) | 15:14 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: wrt default fonts, i'm not sure what you're asking me. for fonts there is no diff between gtk2/3 | 15:14 |
| jjfrv8 | I guess I was wondering if I gave correct examples of apps | 15:15 |
| ochosi | the default font is used *everywhere* | 15:16 |
| ochosi | apart from window decorations | 15:16 |
| ochosi | but that's not important/interesting enough to mention there | 15:16 |
| jjfrv8 | ok | 15:16 |
| ochosi | other than that, appearance is good to go from my side | 15:18 |
| ochosi | nice work on that! | 15:18 |
| ochosi | ok, reviewed display settings as well | 15:21 |
| ochosi | i only amended some strings/wordings a little, other than that this one's perfect too! | 15:22 |
| ochosi | thanks a lot jjfrv8 | 15:22 |
| ochosi | i think we can move that over today or whenever we have the rest of the appearance screenshots | 15:22 |
| jjfrv8 | welcome. will make the suggested change to the text and finish the screenshots. let you know when ready. :) | 15:23 |
| ochosi | awesome! | 15:25 |
| ochosi | i'm prepping docs.xfce for the changes as we speak | 15:25 |
| ochosi | well "speak" | 15:25 |
| bluesabre | ochosi is talking to himself | 15:25 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: if you're bored, i guess this is something we want in 15.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1307545 | 15:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1307545 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager settings are ignored when closing laptop lid" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:30 |
| pleia2 | elfy: re: stickers, I think we agree that team shouldn't be included, they are our stickers to give out and if we want to give them to -team folks completely outside of any competition we can do that too | 15:31 |
| pleia2 | no need for two classes of winners or such a formal thing here | 15:32 |
| elfy | wfm :) | 15:32 |
| pleia2 | and I had thought we'd do "top tester who hasn't already won this cycle" re: stickers, but I don't have a strong opinion there | 15:33 |
| pleia2 | I defer to elfy, since I think he knows our testing community best, and what incentivizes them | 15:34 |
| * ochosi hopes we'll publish some graphs | 15:36 | |
| * ochosi loves graphs | 15:36 | |
| pleia2 | :) | 15:36 |
| elfy | LOL | 15:37 |
| elfy | pleia2: that kind of cuts across one we'd already set up | 15:38 |
| elfy | Tests reported during the whole Vivid Vervet cycle | 15:38 |
| pleia2 | well we did say in the blog post "A limit of one sticker bundle is available per tester." | 15:40 |
| pleia2 | so I guess you're saying, it's not implied that we pick a different winner if the top tester already got one? | 15:41 |
| pleia2 | the same person can keep winning, they just only get one bundle per cycle | 15:41 |
| elfy | mmm | 15:41 |
| pleia2 | and I guess we didn't think through the Whole Cycle one very thoroughly ;) | 15:41 |
| elfy | well ... it was kicking about for ages and ages | 15:42 |
| pleia2 | yeah, no big deal | 15:43 |
| pleia2 | it's ok to not be perfect, it's our first try at this :) | 15:43 |
| elfy | I'd say that , foo wins, can't win again, bar's next - they can | 15:44 |
| elfy | nothing to stop us saying "hey - foo won AGAIN, but they've had stickers and foo came in next - here's some for you" | 15:44 |
| slickymaster | hey guys | 15:44 |
| pleia2 | elfy: yeah, so our criteria for winner should be "top non-team tester who hasn't won yet?" | 15:45 |
| elfy | pleia2: imo this is just about trying to up the ante a bit and get more people involved | 15:45 |
| elfy | pleia2: yep | 15:45 |
| elfy | and hi slickymaster :) | 15:45 |
| pleia2 | perfect | 15:45 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I think I may have already uploaded that | 15:46 |
| bluesabre | comparing the latest commit | 15:46 |
| elfy | pleia2: if we want to do something for people from team who do above and beyond that's a different kettle of fish | 15:46 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: oh right, nice. subsequent question is whether we want to try to backport that to trusty or not | 15:47 |
| elfy | pleia2: also - re polls, have you caught the latest thoughts on that - ie - have a slide on installer about it - then run a whole cycle poll | 15:47 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yeah, would probably be a worthwhile effort | 15:48 |
| pleia2 | elfy: nope, but sounds like a good idea :) | 15:48 |
| elfy | :) | 15:48 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: would mean fiddling with the desktop file and stuff, and wouldn't fix anything for ppl who have already installed 14.04 | 15:48 |
| elfy | pleia2: knome and slickymaster bullied me into hanging around with them tomorrow night about that :p | 15:48 |
| pleia2 | elfy: oh, are we shutting down our current poll soon? or is that the poll you had in mind for keeping open for the slideshow? | 15:49 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: as with every light-locker fix, requires manual intervention from folks | 15:49 |
| elfy | pleia2: and finally ... there's a draft pad for poll #2 | 15:49 |
| pleia2 | neat | 15:49 |
| bluesabre | so we can bet 15% of folks that report and complain won't fix it themselves | 15:49 |
| elfy | pleia2: well it appears that poll #1 has slowed right down now numbers wise | 15:50 |
| slickymaster | lol elfy, bullied you? | 15:50 |
| elfy | @) | 15:50 |
| meetingology | elfy: Error: ")" is not a valid command. | 15:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: well, soon we won't have any troubles with that anymore (>=15.04) | 15:50 |
| elfy | silly meetingology | 15:50 |
| slickymaster | you'll be having a bad time in the playgorund | 15:50 |
| elfy | always did ... | 15:50 |
| pleia2 | elfy: yeah, it spikes when we social media it, but I haven't in a week or so | 15:50 |
| slickymaster | :) | 15:50 |
| pleia2 | and I think we have enough info anyway | 15:51 |
| elfy | pleia2: yep - 350+ is probably about 340+ more than I expected :) | 15:51 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 15:51 |
| elfy | pleia2: personally I would stop #1 now, get #2 ready then run that for a few weeks - then nothing till we release 15.04 with the whole cycle one | 15:52 |
| elfy | that *should* be loads of data | 15:52 |
| pleia2 | elfy: wfm | 15:52 |
| elfy | pleia2: unless it happens before then - I'll have a chat with knome about that lot then :) | 15:52 |
| pleia2 | when do we need to make the slideshow update? | 15:53 |
| elfy | not sure - pretty soon I think | 15:54 |
| elfy | slickymaster: ^^ | 15:54 |
| pleia2 | I guess we can put up a poll page on xubuntu.org for the poll at any time | 15:54 |
| elfy | pleia2: unless we don't run #2 now - and keep that for cycle | 15:54 |
| elfy | I'd suspect what we've got so far will be a lot to digest and think about | 15:54 |
| pleia2 | perhaps, I still don't have a lot of time for this myself | 15:55 |
| elfy | I know | 15:56 |
| elfy | hence me helping you ;) | 15:56 |
| elfy | well ... you/us :) | 15:56 |
| slickymaster | elfy, pleia2, I'd like it to be ready and uploaded this week, so it'd be included in my last translation call I've planned to do tuesday-wednesdat the latest | 15:57 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, you might want to do a final check of Appearance, but I think they should both be ready for copying now. | 15:57 |
| elfy | slickymaster: ack | 15:57 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: k, will do that later today (gotta finish up some other stuff now) and then ping you once it's done. thanks again! | 15:58 |
| elfy | slickymaster: and how far as it all progressed? | 15:58 |
| slickymaster | not much, tbh | 15:58 |
| elfy | :) | 15:58 |
| slickymaster | It's more of a overall sketch, what we have so far | 15:59 |
| elfy | maybe I'll make a start on the new poll then - save some time | 15:59 |
| elfy | at the moment toss up between everything in menu or picking some out :) | 16:00 |
| slickymaster | a different one from what is planned to be added to the slideshow elfy? | 16:00 |
| elfy | slickymaster: no - *that* one | 16:00 |
| pleia2 | elfy: just ping me when we're ready to announce+contact winners for stickers, I'm still pretty buried work-wise but I can get to the post office and print off whatever we need :) | 16:01 |
| elfy | pleia2: ok - well I would guess early in the week | 16:02 |
| elfy | we need to actually talk to them first :) | 16:02 |
| * pleia2 nods | 16:02 | |
| elfy | they might be 'OH NO YOU CAN'T' :) | 16:02 |
| elfy | do we use LP name - real name? etc | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 16:03 |
| elfy | I'd say LP name - that's what shows on the tracker etc | 16:03 |
| pleia2 | I tend to say "whatever they want" :) | 16:03 |
| elfy | and then they might be uncontactable via LP :) | 16:04 |
| elfy | I guess as QA lead I should make the contact | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | anyway, yeah, first step is draft email to send to winners | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | "at the end of each period and contacted by our marketing lead for shipment details" | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | doh | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | but maybe you should contact, then tell them to email me address | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | since as QA lead, I think it makes them feel more special coming from you :) | 16:05 |
| elfy | works for me | 16:05 |
| elfy | I'll do that a bit later today | 16:06 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 16:06 |
| elfy | ochosi: you happy me putting your name on this as well - as XPL? | 16:06 |
| slickymaster | so elfy, do you want me to postponed my review of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1391636 | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1391636 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "1583 Errors in testcase" [Low,Fix committed] | 16:07 |
| pleia2 | elfy: feel free to Cc: me though, so I can be in the loop | 16:07 |
| slickymaster | because of 4.12 release | 16:07 |
| ochosi | elfy: sure | 16:07 |
| elfy | slickymaster: ha - you caught up with me before I caught up with you :) | 16:07 |
| elfy | pleia2: ack | 16:07 |
| slickymaster | elfy, I'll put it on hang until you say I can do it | 16:08 |
| elfy | slickymaster: I checked earlier today - it's good as it is - no updates | 16:08 |
| slickymaster | yeah? ok, I'll go ahead then | 16:08 |
| elfy | slickymaster: ty :) | 16:10 |
| slickymaster | np | 16:10 |
| elfy | pleia2: sent | 16:26 |
| pleia2 | elfy: thanks | 16:26 |
| slickymaster | elfy, https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1391636/+merge/245409 | 16:38 |
| slickymaster | all set | 16:38 |
| elfy | ty slickymaster | 16:44 |
| slickymaster | np :) | 16:48 |
| elfy | do we need to worry that xfce4-session is an upstart session service ? | 17:18 |
| * ochosi has no idea | 17:34 | |
| ochosi | elfy: since you're the expert on these bugs... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1426931 | 17:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1426931 in xfce4 (Ubuntu) "Firefox does not work with exo-open anymore" [Undecided,New] | 17:48 |
| elfy | ochosi: thanks then :p | 17:50 |
| elfy | duped it | 17:51 |
| drc | This where I go to ask about 15.04B1's inability to respect the "Hide frame of windows when maximized" being unchecked? | 17:51 |
| holstein | you mean, the decorations? | 17:51 |
| holstein | im not sure that that is an expectation.. i think some browsers do that.. but i typically see the decorations on maximized windows in most OS's.. are you just wanting a place to set that? | 17:52 |
| drc | No, the maximized window's frame and titlebar being hidden behind the top panel. | 17:52 |
| drc | and its not just FF, it's all windows. | 17:53 |
| holstein | did you change the panel settings? there are ways to make that happen with the panel settings.. i used to do that on netbooks intentionally to save space | 17:53 |
| drc | Looked, but couldn't find what I (think) I was looking for. With versions before 15.04B1, this was set in Windows Managers Tweaks>Accessability>Hide Frame of windows when maximized (checked=on, unchecked=off) | 17:54 |
| elfy | drc I just tried that, working here - but I've got the staging ppa | 17:55 |
| holstein | could be something in the PPA i suppose addressing an issue | 17:55 |
| elfy | yea possibly, booting a vm | 17:56 |
| holstein | anyways, i would just poke around a bit, drc , and see if you can get someone to verify it on another machine.. | 17:56 |
| drc | Would a Live CD work? All the other boxen here are (shudder) Win8/10 machines :) | 17:57 |
| elfy | drc: no idea till I try | 17:57 |
| drc | Nevermind, I'll just boot it and see :) | 17:57 |
| elfy | oic - sorry - hang on a moment drc | 17:57 |
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| drc | ok | 17:58 |
| elfy | let me see if I can verify what you see | 17:58 |
| drc | BTW the new intell-hide is turned off | 17:59 |
| elfy | yea I had to do that and this machine and move panel to top and expand it :p | 18:00 |
| elfy | drc: is this with it enabled? | 18:00 |
| drc | no, off | 18:01 |
| elfy | drc: http://i.imgur.com/kHeNjp1.png | 18:01 |
| drc | With it on, it doesn't appear to happen | 18:01 |
| elfy | if it's on and I don't disable hid title I lose title | 18:02 |
| drc | And "always" the window maximizes, but then the panel is activated it covers the title bar/buttons of the window | 18:03 |
| drc | oh yeah FF and click url's has a problem right? | 18:05 |
| drc | elfy: Not sure what the image is supposed to show? That things work fine for you or not :) | 18:07 |
| elfy | drc :) | 18:08 |
| elfy | that's what I see - is that expected? don't use it here | 18:08 |
| drc | Let me try some things here... | 18:08 |
| elfy | drc: ff and url's is bug 1426931 | 18:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1425972 in exo (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1426931 Firefox no longer supports -remote parameter" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425972 | 18:09 |
| elfy | oh idiot elfy | 18:09 |
| elfy | bug 1425972 | 18:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1425972 in exo (Ubuntu) "Firefox no longer supports -remote parameter" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425972 | 18:09 |
| elfy | fixable | 18:09 |
| drc | Didn't there used to be an ability to <allow> the panel cover the top of the window or not...can't find it now? | 18:16 |
| ochosi | drc: "don't reserve space on borders" | 18:17 |
| drc | I don't think that was it...it was more explicit than that. | 18:18 |
| drc | woah.... | 18:18 |
| drc | But that solves my problem. | 18:19 |
| ochosi | bbl | 18:20 |
| drc | click "Don't reserve space..." (the default? I don't remember clicking this) and the problem manifiests itself, Unclick and it goes away. | 18:20 |
| drc | If it being clicked is not the default, I apologize, I just don't remember clicking it. | 18:23 |
| drc | Just checked the Live CD, it's <not> checked. I must have done it myself sometime w/o realizing it and didn't recognize the problem when it presented itself. Mea culpa. | 18:32 |
| elfy | such is life :) | 18:34 |
| drc | Yeah, but some of us are more afflicted than others.... | 18:34 |
| drc | BTW, looks like a pretty nice job, for a Beta1. | 18:34 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, That exo bug is fixed in 0.10.3 | 19:03 |
| brainvvash | Noskcaj, do we need to SRU it for 14.04/14.10? | 19:12 |
| Noskcaj | brainvvash, Couldn't hurt. I'd personally only go to 14.04 | 19:13 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: yea - I got told | 19:27 |
| drc | Just ran inxi -F on a newly installed and updated 15.04B1...it says XFCE 4.12? | 20:59 |
| drc | That was quick work :) | 21:00 |
| knome | pleia2, slideshow change before UI freeze, which is march 12 | 21:52 |
| knome | pleia2, well, the content practically march 19 (docstringfreeze) | 21:52 |
| sidi | hi pleia2, can i ask you your email @ please? im talking to the UNIX stickers people for Xfce and would like to talk to you and knome about your experience with them | 21:52 |
| knome | pleia2, btw, we are now mentioning unixstickers on our frontpage, did they promise more good for us if we did that? :P | 21:55 |
| knome | pleia2, or what were their proposal about that? | 21:56 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i presume you haven't found anybody yet for 4util | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: correctamundo | 22:11 |
| ochosi | well, to the worst i can ping around tomorrow | 22:11 |
| * bluesabre expects to package a few things in the morning | 22:11 | |
| elfy | pleia2: I see I successfully sent that from the wrong address - but at least got a reply :) | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | sidi: my email address? can use lyz@ubuntu.com | 22:54 |
| pleia2 | knome: it's all kind of casual, there's no firm agreement if we do X we get Y | 22:55 |
| pleia2 | elfy: hah, yeah | 22:55 |
| sidi | pleia2, thanks! | 22:55 |
| pleia2 | elfy: so did we want a winner for dailies AND beta 1? | 22:55 |
| knome | pleia2, ok, so would they consider the current coverage something that would give us more of Y, whatever Y was | 22:56 |
| pleia2 | knome: probably, but I've been approaching it on a case by case basis, I figure we chat with them every year or so about what we need and what they're able to send | 22:56 |
| knome | pleia2, ok, just wondering... | 22:57 |
| knome | maybe we should give them a prod, just in case ;) | 22:58 |
| pleia2 | sure, I'll drop them a note | 22:59 |
| knome | thanks | 22:59 |
| knome | feel free to CC me in case they want to communicate more | 22:59 |
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