[06:23] <lordievader> Good morning,
[07:54] <Mirv> mgraesslin: so yes, also the kwin's qtbase "private" symbol use was not really private anymore. with 5.4.1 the symbols files will be at better shape.
[07:54] <mgraesslin> Mirv: awesome, thanks for looking into it
[08:44] <Riddell> valorie: all shiny vivid?
[08:47] <valorie> yep
[08:47] <valorie> so far everything is working well
[08:47] <valorie> I just installed dropbox successfully
[08:48] <valorie> working my way through the backlog of email
[11:26] <sitter> Riddell: btw, releaseme going to move to master this week at some point
[11:27] <Riddell> sitter: ooh nice, what's going to happen with the old branch?
[11:27] <Riddell> sitter: I have some crappy plasma specific bits, where should they go?
[11:28] <sitter> I moved them to a subdirectory for now
[11:28] <sitter> read you mail :P
[11:29] <sitter> as for the branching ... current master -> kdelibs4 && rewrite -> new master
[12:05] <sitter> hm
[12:05] <sitter> Mirv: we don't have qtwayland packaged?
[12:06] <sitter> or well, in the archive, it's packaged on git.debian
[12:29] <Mirv> sitter: no, it's in Debian NEW queue (for 2 months)
[12:33] <sitter> bummer
[12:33] <sitter> mgraesslin: will we need qtwayland in 15.04 at all?
[12:33] <sitter> or ... perhaps the question should be does it make sense to have it in 15.04
[12:34] <mgraesslin> sitter: turn it around? Why would you not want to have QtWayland in 15.04?
[12:34] <mgraesslin> it's released
[12:35] <mgraesslin> it allows running Qt applications under Wayland
[12:35] <mgraesslin> e.g. on Weston or GNOME Shell
[12:35] <sitter> mgraesslin: because it's not in debian yet xD
[12:35] <mgraesslin> because debian doesn't have Qt 5.4?
[12:35] <sitter> Mirv: any objections to going for a FFe for qtwayland?
[12:36] <sitter> mgraesslin: well yeah, we are a derivate of debian after all :P
[12:36] <Mirv> sitter: by all means, the more Qt the merrier :)
[12:37] <Mirv> sitter: I'm going to file one for Qt 5.4.1 in general too (it's kind of bugfixes only of course but...)
[12:38] <sitter> Mirv: do you maybe want to include qtwayland in that one? ;)
[12:38] <alket> where is shutdown located in plasm5 xD
[12:38] <Mirv> mgraesslin: Debian has Qt 5.4 but Debian is in freeze so a) it's in experimental b) ftp masters are not so interested in new source packages while a release is being readied
[12:38] <alket> why is it a widget in desktop
[12:38] <sitter> alket: #plasma
[12:39] <alket> thanks
[12:40] <Mirv> sitter: I think it'd be simpler if qtwayland 5.4.0 would be already in when I aim to get 5.4.1 in, so that not waiting for 5.4.1 (>= two weeks from now)
[12:40] <sitter> ok
[12:40]  * sitter will file paper work in a bit
[12:41] <Mirv> everyone loves paper work :)
[12:41] <Mirv> thanks
[12:42]  * sitter wonders why kiten has a library
[12:43] <sitter> Riddell: wanna hunt down upstream and find out why they have a public library no 3rd party uses?
[12:43] <Riddell> kiten? what's kiten?
[12:43] <sitter> japanese learning app
[12:43] <Riddell> is it the wee cat that walks about the desktop?
[12:43] <Riddell> sitter: does it cause a problem?
[12:43] <sitter> 猫
[12:43] <sitter> Riddell: it broke ABI in kdelibs4 times
[12:43] <yofel> japanese reference tool - didn't know we had that ^^
[12:44] <sitter> Riddell: just wondering if it really needs to be public. not having to worry about ABI sounds like a boon for both upstream and us
[12:45] <sitter> I really wonder how we can make the apps packaging less bulky
[12:45] <sitter> there's some 20 repos that we don't integrate because I didn't know they were ported/merged
[12:45] <Riddell> sitter: it has a library but it's part of the same source package, can't we just assume it's private and package it together with the app?
[12:46] <sitter> Riddell: we can ask upstream to assume that for us
[13:23] <ScottK> Riddell: https://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2015/03/msg00004.html
[13:25] <Riddell> ScottK: meh, ok
[13:32] <soee> someone on konversation & vivid ?
[13:32] <soee> *Plasma 5 ? :)
[13:33] <mitya57> sitter, mgraesslin: qtwayland is already in Debian'
[13:33] <mitya57> *Debian's NEW queue
[13:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Affects Qt5 too.
[13:36] <Riddell> that pesky rich moore, always finding problems
[13:50] <sitter> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1427225
[13:50] <ScottK> Will try and look later today.
[13:51] <sitter> どうも
[13:54] <mitya57> ScottK: while you look at it, maybe you also can approve the package in Debian so that it can be directly synced?
[13:54] <ScottK> That was my plan.
[13:55] <mitya57> Thanks!
[14:24] <Riddell> sitter: weekly images are running kde master currently right?
[14:24] <sitter> Riddell: yes
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:36] <sitter> CMake Error at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/phonon4qt5/PhononTargets.cmake:85 (message):
[14:36] <sitter>   The imported target "Phonon::phonon4qt5experimental" references the file
[14:36] <sitter> it really won't get solved unless I fix it, will it?
[16:23] <Riddell> sitter: I'm wanting to package kdeconnect-plasma5, kdeconnect-kde is maintained by someone unrelated to pkg-kde team in debian, do you think I should put it in debian git and where?
[16:24] <Riddell> pkg-kde/kde-extras seems to be the place
[16:31] <sitter> Riddell: yeah, extras is the place to be
[16:31]  * sitter out
[16:31] <alket> any plan about better support for GTK as in theme and filetype ?
[16:31] <alket> gtk looks very ugly , also openin files from fireforx , like opening a directory, it opens with Gwenview
[16:33] <Riddell> alket: yes it's on the todo
[16:33] <Riddell> I've a patch in reviewboard I need to remind myself of
[16:33] <Riddell> and it probably needs something added to the seed
[16:33] <Riddell> any help apprecitated :)
[16:42] <alket> great :)
[17:13] <Riddell> hi?
[17:13] <soee> hi
[17:13] <Riddell> not you :)
[17:13] <Riddell> hi BobVann__ 
[17:13] <soee> :D
[17:14] <BobVann__> Hello. As I sad, I would love to work for the project of porting Ubiquity to Qt5
[17:14] <_Groo_> hi
[17:15] <Riddell> BobVann__: cool, do you know anything about python or pyqt?
[17:15] <lordievader> BobVann__: Whoo fancy :D
[17:15] <BobVann__> Yes, I know Python. PyQt not so well
[17:16] <alket> I know PyQt 
[17:16] <Riddell> BobVann__: it's actually a pretty simple project just the porting, so it would also include some bug fixes and further maintinance tasks
[17:16] <_Groo_> i know how to use "the computers"
[17:17] <alket> Im trying to do a Qt por for pavucontrol
[17:17] <Riddell> there was one other student asking about it in here but he didn't stay around to get an answer
[17:17] <_Groo_> alket: wouldnt be more interesting to port veromix to kf5?
[17:17] <Riddell> and another person was asking for general things to help on and I pointed him to that, I can't remember who it was just now
[17:18] <_Groo_> Riddell is getting senile...
[17:18] <BobVann__> As I have seen, there already is a Qt version of Ubiquity, so the porting will be from qt4 to qt5? or from gtk?
[17:19] <Riddell> BobVann__: yes, from qt4 to 5
[17:19] <Riddell> BobVann__: a review of whether there's any features in gtk that should be added to the qt side would be good too
[17:19] <BobVann__> Ok thank you
[17:19] <_Groo_> BobVann__: ubiquity is an engine, the part you are supposed to port is the kde interface, in this case from qt4 to qt5
[17:20] <_Groo_> BobVann__: checking for the gtk part for missing features is a plus i guess
[17:21] <BobVann__> and all the debug will need to be made on a live system I guess
[17:21] <Riddell> BobVann__: so I guess to impress me you have the skills you need you should start with some pyqt app
[17:22] <alket> _Groo_: isn't vermoix already in Qt, also c++ (which i dont know)
[17:22] <Riddell> BobVann__: one useful task I know needs done is porting the kapptemplate pyqt template to pyqt5
[17:22] <Riddell> alas I don't think pykde5 exists as yet
[17:23] <_Groo_> alket: no, its a plasmoid for kde4 and is written in python. i dont have time to port it myself :(
[17:24] <_Groo_> alket: https://code.google.com/p/veromix-plasmoid/
[17:24] <_Groo_> alket: the best part which you wont find in any other platform is this (IMHO) swh-plugins / ladspa-swh-plugins (for equalizer and other effects) 
[17:25] <_Groo_> it was my goto sound plasmoid in kde 4
[17:25] <BluesKaj> konversation in 15.04 beta still using a lot of cpu on my pc, 100% on one core and the load doesn't share to the other core to give some cooling relief, so i have to switch to 14.10 to keep things sane
[17:25] <_Groo_> kmix is better now, but veromix in its current form is still better, pitty it doesnt work in kf5
[17:25] <BobVann__> where will I find the code of kapptemplate?
[17:26] <Riddell> BobVann__: projects.kde.org   it's in a git repository
[17:26] <lordievader> alket: Nice :)
[17:26] <BobVann__> ok thank you
[17:30] <BobVann__> and am I supposed to port only the Python part?
[17:31] <Riddell> BobVann__: for the kapptemplate task you should make a new template for pyqt5 based on the pyqt4app template
[17:31] <Riddell> BobVann__: but before that maybe find some tutorials and see if you can make a simple hello world application
[17:32] <BobVann__> Yes sure, I will learn from the beginning. I am just trying to understand very well what this projects consists of
[17:33] <Riddell> BobVann__: and stick around on this irc channel, that's a good way to get into the community :)
[17:33] <Riddell> and #kde-devel for general kde stuff
[17:34] <BobVann__> Ok thank you very much :)
[18:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you using calligra words 2.9?
[18:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: i found a behaviour i dont know if its a bug, a packaging error or a feature, lol...
[18:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: when you open a odf file it works has intended, but if you go and try to open a doc or rtf (not docx) it asks what type of document it is, and then it opens.. are the packages missing the MIME types? or its intended behaviour?
[18:48] <Riddell> _Groo_: sounds like an upstream bug
[18:48] <Riddell> maybe packaging, let me try
[18:49] <Riddell> _Groo_: words fine for me
[18:49] <Riddell> so it would be a problem with the .doc files you're opening
[18:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: it doesnt ask for the type of file?
[18:49] <Riddell> or it could be I have all the calligra packages installed and you don't
[18:49] <Riddell> _Groo_: nope
[18:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: do you have a sample you could send me?
[18:50] <Riddell> _Groo_: here http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/FCC%20Agenda%2010%20November%202014.doc
[18:50] <_Groo_> forbidden
[18:51] <mparillo> soee	someone on konversation & vivid ? Were you looking for somebody to confirm a bug?
[18:51] <Riddell> _Groo_: try now
[18:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: does calligra support docx?
[18:53] <Riddell> _Groo_: in theory
[18:53] <Riddell> yep opens for me ok
[18:53] <Riddell> yep a .docx opens for me ok
[18:53] <_Groo_> it works here too, but i need to choose the tyep
[18:54] <_Groo_> just exported 1 rtf 1 doc and 1 docx from google drive
[18:54] <_Groo_> same behaviour
[18:54] <_Groo_> so something is fishy with the installation
[18:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: did you update your packages after the initial build? from the ppa?
[18:58] <soee> mparillo: yes, not sure why but i have konversation icon always visible in task manager even if it is minimized to systray
[18:58] <Riddell> _Groo_: no idea but I still have installed all of them so if something is missing from calligrawords it may be in another package by mistake
[19:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: words(6758)/koffice (filter manager) KoFilterManager::importDocument: Can't open  "application/wps-office.docx" , trying filter chooser 
[19:01] <_Groo_> from the command line
[19:01] <_Groo_> so the mime type is indeed broken
[19:01] <_Groo_> words(6758)/koffice (lib kopageapp) KoOdfLoadingContext::KoOdfLoadingContext: defaultstyles.xml not found
[19:02] <_Groo_> it does open
[19:02] <_Groo_> but it always asks for the type, except for odf
[19:03] <VolUTFan> hey ya'll I am going to install 14.10 plasma5 into a vbox for testing.  How do I get the bugs back to you guys.  Do I need to install debugging
[19:03] <Riddell> VolUTFan: better to install vivid beta1
[19:03] <VolUTFan> I had problems with it on one of my main boxes and plasmashell would crash and never come back online
[19:03] <_Groo_> Riddell: it doesnt matter if i change the order in system settings > file associations, it still asks for the type
[19:03] <Riddell> report bugs in the software to bugs.kde.org and in the packaging to launchpad.net/bugs
[19:04] <VolUTFan> ok, I will go with vivid
[19:04] <VolUTFan> thanks guys
[19:04] <lordievader> VolUTFan: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com ;)
[19:04] <Riddell> _Groo_: do you have /usr/share/kde4/services/calligra/calligra_filter_odt2docx.desktop ?
[19:05] <VolUTFan> thanks lordie
[19:05] <_Groo_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1218 Fev 24 09:53 /usr/share/kde4/services/calligra/calligra_filter_odt2docx.desktop
[19:05] <_Groo_> its the same for doc or rtf mind you
[19:05] <_Groo_> only odf is working as advertised
[19:06] <Riddell> _Groo_: do you have all of calligra installed?
[19:06] <_Groo_> Riddell: yep
[19:06] <_Groo_> also, i have libreoffice 4.4 and in file associations, i have 2 mime entries
[19:08] <mparillo> soee: So, when I click minimze konversation goes down to the task manager panel  but when I click close or File Quit, I assume it wants to quit entirely. It warns me Are you sure you want to quit Konversation?
[19:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: see http://picpaste.com/snapshot4-lM3sz7Jw.png
[19:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: do you have libreoffice installed?
[19:09] <soee> mparillo: not quit, one moment
[19:12] <soee> mparillo: if you minimize it to systray the icon from task manager is gone right ?
[19:15] <mparillo> I did not Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> Enable System Tray 
[19:15] <mparillo> Shoul I?
[19:15] <mparillo> Should I
[19:16] <soee> mparillo: well i have it, i want konversation to run in systray all the time
[19:17] <mparillo> OK. so I enabled the system tray.and I see it under status and notifications
[19:18] <soee> mparillo: basically teh icon stays in task manager if konversation is moved to systray, clicking on that icon does nothing
[19:18] <soee> mparillo: look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1imNqWOtng
[19:21] <mparillo> When I click on Konversation in the system tray, it alternately closes konversation window and removes it from the panel, and then re-opens the window and re-shows itin the panel
[19:21] <alket> did anyone install kdevelop 4.7.1 ?
[19:26] <Riddell> _Groo_: yes I have libreoffice installed
[19:27] <Riddell> _Groo_: I need to leave now, I can test it a bit more tomorrow I hope
[19:27]  * Riddell out
[19:34] <alket> wx is very ugly and almost non-working
[19:47] <alket> dolphin is making me crazyyy
[19:49] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwEDgSECGiU
[19:51] <alket> lol
[19:51] <alket> im using krusader now
[19:51] <soee> alket: on vivid ?
[19:53] <alket> yes
[19:54] <soee> alket: works perfect for me but im not using any fancy features of it to stress it much
[19:54] <alket> im using it in vanilla state
[20:20] <alket> well konqueror is better
[21:18] <BluesKaj> still no upgrade to the 3.19 kernel here, what gives ..It upgraded to 3.19 on the laptop... could it have something to do with nvidia kernel module not ready for testing yet?
[21:18] <soee> erghm, i doubt
[21:20] <BluesKaj> soee, I tried the main server in the sources.list, no new kernel available, but the laptop was still on the ca archive and it installed the kernel
[21:21] <soee> BluesKaj: and the desktop uses Vivid ?
[21:22] <BluesKaj> yes , both do
[21:26] <BluesKaj> the laptop uses an intel gpu, that's what makes me think they halted the servers from making the 3.19 available
[21:27] <BluesKaj> available to nvidia equipped pcs that is
[21:27] <BluesKaj> or is that just speculation on my part?
[21:28] <yofel> nvidia here and I got the update..
[21:28] <soee> ;)
[21:28] <yofel> BluesKaj: does 'apt-cache policy linux-image-generic' show 3.19 for you?
[21:29] <BluesKaj> yofel, uname -a shows 31,8
[21:29] <BluesKaj> er 3.18
[21:29] <yofel> that's what you're running, not what's available in apt..
[21:30] <yofel> FWIW, I'm running 3.18 too because I'm too lazy to reboot :P
[21:30] <BluesKaj> yes apt-cache shows 3.19 as installed, so why isn't it running ?
[21:31] <BluesKaj> already rebooted today
[21:31] <yofel> hm...
[21:31] <yofel> if you run 'sudo update-grub', what's at the top?
[21:33] <BluesKaj> ahh, I see what happened here..I installed grub frpm the other HDD which has 14.10 on it 
[21:33] <yofel> ^^
[21:33] <soee> vv
[21:34] <BluesKaj> now it shows 3.19
[21:35] <BluesKaj> weird that uname -a shows 3.18 tho ...guess I''ll reboot and if the kernel module doesn't break the system
[21:35] <BluesKaj> see
[21:36] <ScottK> mitya57: Bad news on qtwayland.  Reject message on the way.
[21:54] <BluesKaj> ok, the 3.10 is in use now, but it's strange that i don't recall seeing it install  
[21:54] <BluesKaj> 3.19
[21:57] <BluesKaj> anyway, all seems well ... laters
[22:14] <KDDA> can amarok cast music to Chromecast?