[01:25] <ikonia> hello Destine
[01:27] <Destine> ikonia, hi
[01:28] <ikonia> hello there, you've joined #ubuntu-ops, how can we help you ?
[01:29] <Destine> ikonia, gosh, sorry, I auto joined this channel because I was waiting for some help in the governance of #ubuntu-cn.
[01:29] <Destine> The problem has been solved.
[01:29] <ikonia> no big deal
[01:29] <ikonia> if you could remove it from your autojoin that would be helpful, but no problem at all
[01:29] <Destine> I will cancel the auto joining and quit.
[01:30] <ikonia> super, thank you
[10:15] <k1l> hmm, #fedora blocks unregistered users, too.
[10:16] <k1l> sometimes i think #u is the last channel trying to let every user in as easy as possible
[10:16] <ikonia> most of the larger linux / project channels do it
[10:17] <ikonia> I've raised it a few times, but there is a valid point that the irc clients auto join on start up
[10:17] <ikonia> so if they start up and get a message "you cannot join channel"
[10:17] <ikonia> it's not a great experience.
[10:17] <k1l> yes
[10:17] <ikonia> I personally don't see the issue with redirecting auto join to an info channel on how to register
[10:17] <ikonia> askubuntu, forums etc all require you to setup an account before you use it
[10:17] <ikonia> I don't see a problem with IRC having that requirement also
[10:18] <ikonia> but I appreciate I'm in the minority on that
[10:25] <valorie> I don't see a problem either, but "you cannot join" gives them no info on how to register
[10:25] <valorie> an auto-reponse would help
[10:25] <ikonia> yeah, so directing them to #ubuntu-irc-instructions or something on join rather than #ubuntu
[10:25] <ikonia> then in that channel have a clear topic and / or the bot offering instructions on how to regiswter
[10:25] <popey> you'd get a bunch of people just asking their tech questions in that channel
[10:26] <valorie> lol
[10:26] <popey> and getting annoyed they don't get answers
[10:26] <valorie> they could be voiceless?
[10:28] <valorie> also, you could have only the bot in there, who could reply to anybody with that same message about registering
[10:28] <valorie> right?
[10:31] <ikonia> not if its +m
[10:31] <Myrtti> yes if it's opped
[10:32] <ikonia> it's only a thought
[10:32] <ikonia> #fedora ##linux etc all do it, but give a blunt response of "you cannot join"
[10:32] <ikonia> if #ubuntu wanted to do it, it could do it a little nicer
[10:33] <Myrtti> I'm not saying it's a good idea, I've no opinion. Just saying that there already is an example of such usage when the floodbots banforwarded router bug afflicted people to another channel and told them how to fix the problem and test it
[10:34] <Myrtti> but also I have to mention that you'd again be giving a technical solution to a social problem.
[10:36] <k1l> there is no social solution for that issue that trolls use that "unregistered backdoor"
[10:39] <valorie> there is a social problem *and* a technical problem
[10:40] <valorie> in kubuntu also, the clients we offer auto-join #kubuntu
[10:40] <valorie> I've seen people come in who haven't a clue what IRC is
[10:41] <valorie> they were probably just trying out each new thing in their shiny new install
[10:42] <k1l> what about that idea? autojoin a offtopic/social channel?
[10:43] <valorie> well, in the case of #kubuntu I don't think it is required to be registered
[10:45] <valorie> anyhooo, going to bed
[11:21] <Pricey> Wasn't this already solved with #ubuntu-unregistered ?
[11:22] <Pricey> Bah, #ubuntu-unregged
[12:14] <bazhang> whitecat is just all over the place
[12:15] <bazhang> the place that used to deal with unregged had a bot that asked questions before allowing in
[12:16] <jpds> Some people.
[12:18] <bazhang> @random pro-user veruca-salt
[12:18] <bazhang> rly?
[12:32] <k1l_> refusing to read a really short wiki page but coping blindly stuff between computers to make even more mess and have to sort that afterwards again.
[12:38] <jpds> k1l_: Shut up and give it to me now, damnit.
[12:39] <k1l_> yep. he is already 25minutes fiddeling after i linked him the page. if he would have read that 10-15minutes and then taken 2-5minutes for the commands he would already be done and would know about ssh keys. now he still doesnt know anything and has ruined is keys and doesnt have a working key-login
[15:08] <Pici> I look away for one minute...
[15:09] <k1l_> cant even speak english but can join with a botnet
 why would ubuntu setup itself be broken?
[15:40] <bazhang> refuses to read any links/documents etc
 I would like smoe more specific documentation
[15:43] <k1l_> he will refuse to read them anyway
[15:44] <bazhang> he reads some guides from who knows where, then just copies the commands
[15:49] <k1l_> * [DanGeRGhosT] (~Geveze@85.102.29.231): Ayýk oL !       wants to register his #DanGeRGhosT . that is the one who just spammed #ubuntu with a botnet. maybe the staff wanted to know
 linux is not virus free.
[17:00] <k1l_> so backbox linux is the new hax0r linux?
[17:02] <bazhang> kali I thought
[17:02] <ikonia> backbox is pretty much dead
[17:02] <ikonia> it's supported by 2 or 3 guys on an italian IRC channel
[17:02] <k1l_> i see lots of users with backbox coming to #u recently. so maybe there was a reddit post or such
[19:29] <ikonia> 19:29 -!- stallman [~NSA@179.158.253.127] has joined #ubuntu
[19:29] <ikonia> idiot messing around in ##linux a few days ago
[21:04] <rww> does it still count as feeding the troll if the troll is too silly to know he's trolling
[21:05] <genii> Heh
[21:08] <genii> Hm.
[21:08] <genii> !lts
[21:08] <k1l_> !lfs
[21:08] <k1l_> i think we can drop that after Ubuntu at all
[21:09] <Unit193> Very good idea.