[05:06] <Kilos> morning all
[05:50] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:50] <Kilos> lo pro
[06:00] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[06:01] <barrydk> More Kilos en almal
[06:07] <Padroni> Morning
[06:08] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:09] <Padroni> hi
[06:09] <Padroni> how are you?
[06:09] <Kilos> alive and you?
[06:09] <Kilos> hehe
[06:09] <Padroni> same
[06:09] <Padroni> ever seen this error:  ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxx does not exist. Dropping to a shell initramfs:
[06:09] <Padroni> ?
[06:10] <Kilos> its seems to have lost the drives id
[06:10] <Kilos> boot-repair will fix it
[06:11] <Padroni> I fixed it myself 
[06:11] <Kilos> well done, what did you do?
[06:11] <Padroni> rebuild grub after booting up from live disk and mounting the drive 
[06:11] <Padroni> and the /sys /proc folders
[06:11] <Padroni> this happened after a small update ran
[06:11] <Padroni> and I rebooted
[06:11] <Kilos> maybe you can then explain how it loses it
[06:11] <Padroni> came back : pc is dead
[06:12] <Padroni> not a clue
[06:12] <Kilos> ai!
[06:12] <Padroni> but it seems it uses a device id to boot the disk
[06:12] <Kilos> update to what?
[06:12] <Padroni> instead of the boot location like /dev/sda1
[06:12] <Padroni> not sure
[06:12] <Padroni> wasn't even a big thing
[06:12] <Padroni> <2mb update killed my Ubuntu
[06:13] <Kilos> wow 
[06:13] <Kilos> old drive?
[06:14] <Kilos> mb or mB
[06:14] <Kilos> 2mb is about nothing
[06:14] <Padroni> i know
[06:14] <Padroni> was a real small update
[06:14] <Padroni> then killed my damn machine
[06:14] <Kilos> wow
[06:14] <Padroni> The nice thing about Linux is: you can fix it yourself.
[06:15] <Kilos> lol
[06:15] <Padroni> The bad thing about Linux is: you have to fix it yourself.
[06:15] <Kilos> i use boot-repair
[06:15] <Padroni> yeah that would have been my last resort
[06:15] <Padroni> had to try and do it myself first though
[06:15] <Kilos> good thats how you learn
[06:16] <Kilos> and refresh memory
[06:16] <Padroni> yup
[06:16] <Kilos> keeps you on your toes
[06:16] <Kilos> i only had those probs on old drives
[06:16] <Kilos> dicey drives
[06:17] <Padroni> yeah this is a old 160GB drive
[06:17] <Padroni> may need to replace it
[06:17] <Padroni> any way to clone my current install to a new drive?
[06:17] <Kilos> ya them dd commands do it
[06:18] <Kilos> thats what Squirm  uses
[06:18] <Padroni> I will speak to Squirm next time he is here
[06:18] <Kilos> i only use dd to zero drives that are badly corrupt
[06:19] <Kilos> Maaz  google cloning a drive with dd command
[06:19] <Maaz> Kilos: "Disk cloning - ArchWiki - Arch Linux" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning :: "Using DD for disk cloning - Server Fault" http://serverfault.com/questions/4906/using-dd-for-disk-cloning :: "Full DD copy from hdd to hdd - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange" http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144172/full-dd-copy-from-hdd-to-hdd :: "2 Methods To
[06:19] <Maaz> Clone Your Linux Hard Drive - MakeUseOf" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/2-methods-to-clone-your…
[06:19] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:21] <Padroni> Thanx Kilos
[06:21] <Kilos> yw
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:34] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:35] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[06:44] <Padroni> hi mazal
[07:01] <inetpro> Kilos: did you see my site?
[07:01] <Kilos> yessir
[07:02] <Kilos> did you use the git stuffs?
[07:02] <inetpro> I know the fly won't like this but it's so simple with github
[07:02] <Padroni> share?
[07:02] <Kilos> lol
[07:02] <inetpro> Padroni: http://inetpro.github.io/
[07:03] <inetpro> just a proof of concept at the moment
[07:03] <Kilos> isnt the lp way the more secure even though its more work for dom mense
[07:03] <Padroni> hmm
[07:03] <Padroni> are you a webdev, inetpro?
[07:03] <Kilos> i want the site to stand forever
[07:04] <inetpro> Kilos: the fly will help you with it man
[07:04] <inetpro> Padroni: https://pages.github.com/
[07:05] <Kilos> i know 
[07:05] <inetpro> Padroni: I was just playing around with nikola a bit last night and just wanted to complete the cycle by deploying the site somewhere
[07:05] <Padroni> ah ok
[07:05] <Padroni> I have written so many site frameworks the last 5 years
[07:06] <Padroni> I should go see where I have lost/stored them
[07:06] <Padroni> should be on one of  my computers somewhere
[07:06] <Padroni> I write websites from the ground up, starting with the CSS 
[07:06] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[07:07] <Padroni> I finish about 70% of the CSS before writing a single line of HTML
[07:07] <Padroni> then it all just clicks in place
[07:07] <Padroni> hi nuvolari
[07:07] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  
[07:08] <inetpro> Kilos: build your site with nikola from scratch, forget about cloning ubuntu-za
[07:08] <inetpro> it's so simple, really!
[07:08] <Kilos> haha inetpro  he just has to find time to fix what we broke first
[07:08] <Kilos> oh
[07:09] <Kilos> all the wui stuff too
[07:09] <Kilos> also it has to be related because we are driving the initiative
[07:12] <Kilos> isnt that page we see what the fly built already with nikola inetpro  ?
[07:13] <Kilos> the one with the broken wui now
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: it's as simple as http://getnikola.com/creating-a-site-not-a-blog-with-nikola.html
[07:14]  * Kilos looking
[07:26] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:29] <Kilos> ai! more to get mixed up with
[07:29] <Kilos> a slug is/was a bullet
[07:37] <Padroni> 27k bounce mails in the queue
[07:37] <Padroni> you just KNOW someone will bleed for this...
[07:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:43] <Padroni> that's a lot 
[07:43] <Padroni> but certainly not the most I have seen
[07:43] <Padroni> it can be 10x that much
[07:44] <Padroni> a decent spam script can knock out thousands of mails / hour
[07:44] <Padroni> if left unchecked...
[07:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:04] <Kilos> inetpro  question did you do that in your Projects folder or another place
[08:05] <inetpro> Kilos: does it matter?
[08:05] <Kilos> i dunno?
[08:05] <inetpro> RTFS'
[08:05] <Kilos> ai!
[08:05] <Kilos> go work man
[08:06] <inetpro> :-)
[08:06] <Kilos> i go start cooking
[08:06] <inetpro> ai!
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:07] <inetpro> Kilos: the command 'nikola init mysite' will create a new folder 'mysite' wherever you are at that point when executing it
[08:08] <Kilos> oh
[08:08] <Kilos> no need for the venv stuff?
[08:08] <inetpro> ai!
[08:08] <inetpro> obviously you need to do the pyenv stuffs to get nikola runningt in the first place
[08:09] <Kilos> aha
[08:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> it sounds like "obviously" was not the right word :-p
[08:10] <Kilos> ya its like saying get in the car and go to shop, but not saying take car keys with first
[08:11] <Kilos> :-p
[08:16] <Kilos> so stubborn our pro
[08:18] <Kilos> obviously you must fetch the keys in the kitchen first
[08:18] <Kilos> grrr
[08:57] <Squirm> morning
[09:03] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[09:03] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[09:05] <Padroni> hi Squirm
[09:05] <Padroni> hi TinuvaMac
[09:20] <Jacques_Stry> Morning all
[09:22]  * Jacques_Stry bathes in the silence
[09:22] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[09:22] <Padroni> hi Jacques_Stry
[09:22] <Kilos> hehe
[09:22] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[09:22] <Padroni> We will be launching that site this week.
[09:22] <Padroni> You need to give me links to any tech-ish WP themes you can find
[09:23] <Padroni> (yes, you get to have a say in how the site looks.)
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> Ok - I'll better work hard on that article then
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> haha i'll check a few themes out
[09:32] <Kilos> deegee  wb
[09:32] <Kilos> davey on holiday
[09:59] <mopkop> Hello All!
[10:01] <Jacques_Stry> Hi 
[10:02] <mopkop> Is the use of Bazaar explorer recommended?
[10:07] <Jacques_Stry> Haven't tried it
[10:10] <mopkop> It seems very user-friendly.
[10:10] <Kilos> hi mopkop  
[10:10] <Jacques_Stry> It does
[10:10] <mopkop> Hi Kilos!
[10:31] <Kilos> are we UTC +2
[10:32] <Kilos> that is is gmt and utc the same thing?
[10:32] <Kilos> dont all answer at once
[10:35] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[10:35] <magellanic> heya
[10:36] <Jacques_Stry> well gmt is a timezone - time physically used by countries. UTC is not - it's a standard used as a common time for countries to compare time
[10:36] <mopkop> Well technically, no, but for all practical reasons, yes!
[10:36] <Jacques_Stry> But practically for us it's the same thing
[10:36] <drussell> ha!
[10:36] <Kilos> ok so we are utc+2
[10:37] <Jacques_Stry> yea
[10:37] <Kilos> hehe drussell  wb
[10:37] <drussell> someone stole my nick, forgotten how tedious it was to eject interlopers
[10:37] <Kilos> ty
[10:37] <Kilos> lol
[10:37] <drussell> thanks Kilos, you have a good weekend?
[10:37] <Kilos> yes ty and you drussell  ?
[10:39] <drussell> Kilos: yes thanks! :o)
[10:40] <mopkop> Hello barrydk!
[10:47] <mopkop> Should I put my emailadres on ubuntu wiki? I see superfly put a (a) instead of @, is this to prevent crawler bots collecting the address for spamlists?
[10:48] <Kilos> ya like that
[10:48] <Kilos> and (dot)
[10:51] <mopkop> I really don't mind. I know I had the same problem with it on a website I built. There is some JavaScript app to stop the bots. But I eventually found gmail's spamfilter to be more than enough to stop all the spam from comming in.
[11:01] <Padroni> hi Jacques_Clone
[11:01] <Kilos> hehe
[11:10] <mazal> I need help from the guys that know their stuff
[11:10] <mazal> How do I check if my install is leaking memory ? And if yes what is causing it to leak ?
[11:24] <Padroni> elaborate?
[11:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> "install"?
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> applications can leak memory
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really sure what you mean
[11:29] <mazal> I want to know , if any apps are leaking memory , how do I find it
[11:29] <mazal> is there some way to check if it's occuring
[11:32] <Padroni> http://askubuntu.com/questions/152716/how-to-detect-a-memory-leak
[11:40] <Kilos> i need to do that
[11:40] <Kilos> on me
[11:40] <mopkop> lol
[11:41] <mopkop> I think there is a new app for that :)
[11:41] <Kilos> ive tried earplugs and nose plugs and keeping mouth shut but no good
[11:41] <mopkop> You must close your eyes too!
[11:43]  * Jacques_Stry Buddah - See no evil, Hear no evil, Speak no evil
[11:43] <Kilos> lol
[11:43] <Kilos> and do no evil
[11:44]  * Jacques_Stry imagining Kilos as buddah statue
[11:44] <Kilos> haha
[11:54] <Kilos> inetpro  amper http://picpaste.com/nikola_site-wyxEAuGj.png
[11:59] <Kilos> now i need to sleep
[12:09] <superfly> Kilos: wat maak jy? I've already got a basic Ubuntu-Africa site set up, and if you committed a whole lot of nonsense, I can get rid of it.
[12:10] <Kilos> im playing superfly  its nowhere near your site or our bzr stuff
[12:10] <Kilos> not even in projects
[12:11] <Kilos> nor at launchpad
[12:14] <mopkop> Is there any CMS packages that produces static pages (like Nikola), but with back-end web-login?
[12:15] <Kilos> the pro said i must leave all commiting to you superfly  so im playing because the pro doesnt like me resting
[12:15] <Kilos> lol he is too impatient
[12:15]  * Kilos hides
[12:34] <mopkop> Should I just leave Future goals and Contributions open for now? 
[12:37] <Kilos> ya
[12:37] <Kilos> as you do more things then you can go add them
[12:39] <Padroni> Jacques_Stry: you still here?
[12:42] <Kilos> i should have made it like this superfly  http://picpaste.com/nikola_site1-JqENi2lU.png
[12:43] <Kilos> sorry for upsetting you first
[12:55] <mopkop> Is Maaz's translation program broken?
[12:55] <mopkop> Maaz translate Lekker
[12:55] <Maaz> mopkop: I couldn't translate that: Please use Translate v2.  See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
[13:17] <inetpro> mopkop: fix it
[13:17] <mopkop> Is the sourcecode on launchpad?
[13:18] <mopkop> In all probability, I'll just end up breaking it more :(
[13:18] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/ibid
[13:19] <mopkop> I assume, it's Google that changed their API handles, that caused the program to break.
[13:20] <inetpro> yep
[13:29] <mopkop> Uhm.... "Google Translate API is available as a paid service." That's a problem...
[13:31] <mopkop> Now Microsoft has a free one. Oh the irony!
[14:31] <Squirm> My head hurts :/
[14:31] <Padroni> why>
[14:33] <Kilos> its thinking
[14:33] <Kilos> im sure thinking is bad for the brain
[14:33] <Padroni> I set up a new blog today
[14:34] <Padroni> about ubuntustuff
[14:34] <Padroni> *ubuntu stuff
[14:34] <Kilos> im gonna hit you
[14:34] <Padroni> me?
[14:34] <Kilos> why do we have to ask for the link
[14:34] <Padroni> oh
[14:34] <Padroni> coz it is not ready for public viewing yet
[14:34] <Kilos> lol
[14:35] <Kilos> ah
[14:35] <Padroni> still waiting for my other contributor to post his articles
[14:35] <Padroni> I added 4 so long
[14:59] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  
[14:59] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos ... didn't get to the "reporting" today... perhaps later tonight if baby allows or then tomorrow I guess :/
[14:59] <Kilos> whats happening
[14:59] <Kilos> hehe
[14:59] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn  
[14:59] <Kilos> babies chew time
[14:59] <nlsthzn> yup and not much sleep >.<
[15:00] <nlsthzn> and was busy preparing paperwork most of the day when I got a chance ... yawn
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:26] <mopkop> Nikola stopped working!
[15:27] <mopkop> It says 'ImportError: No module named datetime' when I try to build
[15:27] <mopkop> Must I re-install python?
[15:32] <Kilos> no
[15:32] <Kilos> lol
[15:32] <Kilos> something else you did wrong
[15:33] <Kilos> import error only?
[15:33] <mopkop> Must I run Nikola in the virtual environment?
[15:33] <Kilos> not you must be in a site to do it
[15:33] <Kilos> yes
[15:34] <Kilos> what site do you want to see?
[15:35] <Kilos> inetpro  woot i dont know what happened but africa running here on local
[15:35] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/africa_site-mJR3IUh3.png
[15:35] <mopkop> I am. A branch I made to add the trello link
[15:35] <Kilos> did you fix something superfly  
[15:36] <Kilos> wait for pro mopkop  
[15:36] <Kilos> he understands these things
[15:36] <Kilos> go see my picpaste so long
[15:37] <Kilos> sigh i need to solder my glasses back together
[15:39] <inetpro> mopkop: see: https://trello.com/c/wLYOqOld/42-learn-to-use-nikola-and-bzr
[15:39]  * inetpro wbbl
[15:43] <mopkop> I already set up everything. It worked Yesterday before I updated Ubuntu to 14.10. I think it might have deleted a file.
[15:43] <Kilos> just run that stuff i pasted for you yesterday
[15:43] <Kilos> something is missing
[15:49] <mopkop> I tried to do everything from scratch. I cannot clone pyenv, because it says it is already there, everything is fine until I type in pip install --upgrade nikola, then it tells me "Too many levels of symbolic links"
[15:50] <Kilos> oh my
[15:50] <mopkop> I think I broke bash.
[15:51] <Kilos> im lost young man wait for a brian
[15:51] <Kilos> brain
[15:51] <mopkop> Gonna try a restart.
[15:51] <Kilos> oh the pc?
[15:51] <Kilos> of
[16:27] <Kilos> mopkop  are you winning
[16:28] <mopkop> No, I reinstalled Python, still the same problem. I think 'Too many levels of symbolic links' mean the filepath is too long.
[16:28] <mopkop> I'm going to try and delete the pyenv program and clone it all over again.
[16:29] <Kilos> i dont know but im sure its a little thing you are missing
[16:29] <Kilos> isnt there a nikola update thingie
[16:30] <Kilos> run nikola version
[16:32] <mopkop> It's the virtual environment that doesn't work.
[16:33] <mopkop> Now my terminal is gone!
[16:33] <Kilos> eish
[16:34] <mopkop> And the software centre!
[16:34] <mopkop> I'm just breaking stuff here.
[16:34] <Kilos> looks like
[16:34] <Kilos> cant you get a terminal at all?
[16:35] <mopkop> I'ts not on the computer anymore.
[16:35] <mopkop> But there are 2 other terminals.
[16:35] <Kilos> another one i mean
[16:35] <mopkop> UXterm and XTerm
[16:36] <Kilos> sjoe you do funny stuff
[16:36] <Kilos> how do you open terminals
[16:36] <mopkop> I just type in ter in the search box and press enter
[16:36] <Kilos> just do ctrl+alt+t
[16:37] <mopkop> Yay, Thank you.
[16:37] <mopkop> I guess this terminal is ok.
[16:37] <mopkop> Is there a way to undo changes I made?
[16:38] <Kilos> you can go reboot and choose recovery mode and maybe even use an earlier one
[16:39] <mopkop> Let's try that...
[16:39] <Kilos> if you remember changes you can find them and delete them
[16:39] <mopkop> F8?
[16:39] <mopkop> The problem is, I want to undo the deletion.
[16:39] <mopkop> I have no Idea how I deleted the terminal.
[16:39] <Kilos> oh
[16:39] <Kilos> you work too fast
[16:40] <inetpro> uh
[16:40] <Kilos> lo inetpro  
[16:41] <Kilos> mopkop  you need to learn kubuntu it doesnt break so easy
[16:41] <inetpro> how do you delete the terminal? 
[16:41] <Kilos> seems like he did it easy
[16:41] <mopkop> I have no idea
[16:41] <inetpro> unlikely 
[16:41] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption 
[16:41] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[16:41] <Kilos> sigh
[16:42] <inetpro> you mean you deleted the icon? 
[16:43] <mopkop> Well I can't get to it.
[16:43] <mopkop> It doesn't show up on the search-thing
[16:43] <inetpro> doesn't mean it's deleted 
[16:44] <mopkop> How do I access it then?
[16:44] <inetpro> ctrl + alt + t
[16:45] <mopkop> That opens Xterminal
[16:45] <inetpro> aptitude search terminal 
[16:46] <mopkop> It gives me a list of things?
[16:47] <mopkop> i'm just going to restart and see what happens... 
[16:47] <inetpro> does anyone have an i in front? 
[16:48] <Kilos> huh?
[16:48] <inetpro> ai tog! 
[16:49] <inetpro> how do people learn this weird thing that they believe a reboot will fix everything? 
[16:49] <Kilos> windows
[16:50] <Kilos> unlearning is the hard part
[16:51] <inetpro> and even the idea that the recovery mode will magically fix everything as well 
[16:51] <inetpro> weird! 
[16:51] <Kilos> it does fix some things
[16:52] <inetpro> you need to know how and what to fix though 
[16:52] <Kilos> hmm... i havent used recovery once on kde
[16:57] <mopkop> Restarting broke everything!
[16:57] <Kilos> oh my
[16:57] <mopkop> Now I can't even see the status bar.
[16:58] <mopkop> Or open any programs, or any terminal.
[16:58] <Kilos> terminal
[16:58] <inetpro> what did you do? 
[16:58] <mopkop> Ar those programs all written in Python?
[16:58] <mopkop> Or at least dependend upon python?
[16:58] <mopkop> Cause I reinstalled it.
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <inetpro> ai! 
[16:59] <Kilos> last shot mopkop  
[16:59] <Kilos> cant you open a terminal at all?
[16:59] <inetpro> you uninstalled python? 
[17:00] <mopkop> Nope, not even with ctrl+alt+t
[17:00] <mopkop> Yes :(
[17:00] <inetpro> alt+f2
[17:00] <mopkop> I Thought reinstalling it will fix the environment problem.
[17:01] <mopkop> I'll just reinstall Ubuntu from scratch. 
[17:01] <mopkop> I'm in windows now.
[17:01] <inetpro> sounds like we found Kilos' clone 
[17:02] <mopkop> :-D
[17:02] <mopkop> It's how I learn - by breaking things :)
[17:02] <inetpro> reinstalling and rebooting is not the magic solution to everything 
[17:03] <inetpro> you need to figure how you broke it
[17:03] <mopkop> My only guess is because I removed python.
[17:03] <mopkop> sudo apt-get remove python2.7
[17:03] <inetpro> ai 
[17:04] <inetpro> how do you connect with the machine to the Web? 
[17:05] <mopkop> Well I tried sudo apt-get install python2.7 after that. I guess removing something automatically removes all the programs it is dependant upon. What do you meen? I'm in Windows now.
[17:05] <mopkop> Through a Lan cable
[17:05] <mopkop> ADSL
[17:05] <inetpro> you can fall back to command line 
[17:06] <mopkop> How?
[17:06] <inetpro> by pressing ctrl + alt + f1
[17:06] <mopkop> Ok let me go try that.
[17:06] <mopkop> How do I restore to a previous point?
[17:07] <inetpro> no such thing, that I am aware of 
[17:08]  * inetpro has never uninstalled python but would guess a lot depends on it these days 
[17:09] <inetpro> ai,  and mopkop is way too impatient as well 
[17:10] <inetpro> Google is your friend 
[17:15] <mopkop> CTRL+ALT+F! worked.
[17:15] <mopkop> I needed to sudo apt-get install Unity
[17:15] <mopkop> and gnome-terminal
[17:16] <mopkop> and pidgin
[17:16] <mopkop> Still doing damage control...
[17:16] <Kilos> rofl
[17:17] <mopkop> Maaz note NEVER remove Python.
[17:17] <Maaz> mopkop: What?
[17:18] <Kilos> haha
[17:18] <Kilos> python ties everything together
[17:20] <mopkop> Oh, and software center
[17:22] <mopkop> Is there a linux 101? I really think I should take it. Linux for dummies will work too.
[17:24] <Kilos> there is actually lots of linux material online
[17:27] <mopkop> I'll take a look... 
[17:27] <mopkop> What will happen if I type sudo apt-get install KDE?
[17:27] <Kilos> it is kubuntu-desktop
[17:28] <Kilos> and then when booting it should give you a choice of which flavour you want to use
[17:28] <Kilos> you tick a little thing at the top of that little login window
[17:28] <Kilos> top right
[17:29] <mopkop> I see.
[17:29] <mopkop> So I can switch between Unity and KDE?
[17:30] <mopkop> Without installing Kubuntu?
[17:30] <Kilos> supposed to be able to i think
[17:31] <Kilos> and use aptitude
[17:31] <mopkop> Let's try.
[17:31] <mopkop> Still havn't figured out the difference between aptitude and apt-get
[17:32] <Kilos> aptitude works lekker and gives you options when there is an error
[17:33] <Kilos> the ubuntu server book advises aptitude all the time
[17:33] <mopkop> Ok, from now on I use aptitude. It warned me it is going to remove a bunch of packages, so I aborted the install.
[17:33] <Kilos> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/767/what-is-the-real-difference-between-apt-get-and-aptitude-how-about-wajig
[17:34] <Kilos> it normally only removes stuff that isnt needed anymore
[17:34] <Kilos> and old things that have updated versions running
[17:35] <mopkop> I see.
[17:37] <mopkop> There was some keyboard command for typing in terminal commands in the Unity searchbox?
[17:38] <Kilos> that thing you call a search box
[17:38] <Kilos> is that in the dash?
[17:38] <mopkop> Yes, the dasg
[17:38] <mopkop> dash
[17:38] <Kilos> the dash search is for installed apps
[17:39] <Kilos> like pidgin xchat email client etc
[17:40] <mopkop> Yea, I know, but I thought there was a keyboard-shortcut for typing in terminal command directly.
[17:42] <Kilos> what you mean typing in erminal command?
[17:42] <Kilos> terminal
[17:42] <Kilos> opening a terminal?
[17:42] <mopkop> like sudo aptitude install kde-desktop
[17:42] <Kilos> you must know that
[17:44] <mopkop> Alt+F2
[17:44] <Kilos> no man
[17:45] <Kilos> in the terminal type in sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[17:45] <mopkop> Yes, I just thought the dash could do it too
[17:46] <Kilos> dont be lazy
[17:46] <mopkop> I misunderstood what was meant by Command
[17:46] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <mopkop> Going to wait with KDE right now. It wants to download more than 200 MB. I'll do it when I have more time. Have tp reinstall bzr first. Yes that got removed too.
[17:51] <mopkop> Somehow NIkola survived.
[17:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <mopkop> Yay, I fixed Nikola
[17:56] <mopkop> It now works without the virtual environment.
[17:57] <inetpro> ai!
[17:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:58] <mopkop> Add to the list of things to reinstall - gedit.
[18:02] <inetpro> mopkop: you're not the first one to do crazy things like this
[18:02] <inetpro> see: http://askubuntu.com/questions/187227/i-run-sudo-apt-get-remove-python2-7-can-i-restore-my-ubuntu-now
[18:02] <Kilos> haha
[18:04] <mopkop> Lol, that makes me feel better! Well at least I am learning.
[18:08] <mopkop> I added the link to trello on the 'getting involved' page. Should I put the link in the 'LoCo Links' menu as well?
[18:11] <inetpro> mopkop: sorry, you added what link where?
[18:12] <mopkop> O sorry, the trello link to the website. Someone suggested it.
[18:12] <mopkop> I made a branch
[18:12] <inetpro> ah
[18:12] <mopkop> Just looking for a good menu icon.
[18:12] <inetpro> have you proposed it for review?
[18:13] <mopkop> Not yet, still busy...
[18:14] <mopkop> And what do you know, Font Awesome has a built in trello icon... http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icon/trello/
[18:14] <inetpro> cool!
[18:15] <inetpro> nlstTAB: uh...
[18:16] <inetpro> wb nlsthzn
[18:21] <stickyboy> You guys use Trello?
[18:22] <stickyboy> I duck out for a week and y'all are still talking about Nikola. I guess I didn't miss anything. :P
[18:24] <inetpro> stickyboy: wb
[18:25] <stickyboy> inetpro: yayyyyy
[18:25] <Kilos> where did you go stickyboy  
[18:25] <Kilos> wb btw
[18:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: Thanks
[18:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: I went underground
[18:26] <Kilos> we noticed
[18:26] <stickyboy> Was just giving y'all a break. ;)
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <stickyboy> I was trying to see if #nairobilug survived without me.
[18:26] <stickyboy> hah
[18:30] <mopkop> Hello Stickboy, I don't think we have met.
[18:34] <stickyboy> Troubleshooting an nginx proxy_cache issue.
[18:35] <Kilos> hi wolf1234  
[18:35] <wolf1234> evening all
[18:35] <wolf1234> hey dad
[18:43] <mopkop> Evening wolf!
[18:44] <Kilos> mopkop  hes my brat
[18:50] <wolf1234> hey mopkop, sorry man trying to identify my nic again
[18:51] <Kilos> mopkop  type the first 3 or 4 characters of a nick then hit tab and it completes the nick
[18:52] <mopkop> Oh, hello, Ian is it?  Wow, that's useful, i'll remember, thank you.
[18:53] <Kilos> ya he be ian
[18:54] <inetpro> stickyboy: what nginx issues you having?
[18:55] <inetpro> wb wolf1234
[18:56] <wolf1234> ty inetpro 
[18:57] <mopkop> Ok, I pushed the branch. Should I now propose a merge, or must it be reviewed first?
[18:59] <inetpro> mopkop: lemme look quickly 
[19:00] <Squirm> Evening
[19:01] <mopkop> Good Evening Squirm!
[19:01] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[19:04] <stickyboy> inetpro: proxy_cache returning HTTP 200 but with response body of 0.
[19:04] <stickyboy> inetpro: nginx sitting in front of a Tomcat application. Kicking serious ass generally.
[19:04] <inetpro> stickyboy: hmm... that sounds weird
[19:04] <stickyboy> But when I hit the server hard with concurrent requests, some URIs start returning these blank pages, but HTTP 200.
[19:05] <stickyboy> inetpro: Yah. Otherwise, nginx's proxy_cache is really sweet. Reduces server load by like 95%.
[19:05] <stickyboy> Insane!
[19:06] <inetpro> stickyboy: how much traffic you having?
[19:06] <stickyboy> It's all synthetic though, as I'm running siege against it, but it's the philosophical chestnut!
[19:06] <inetpro> ah
[19:06] <stickyboy> inetpro: Right now I'm doing 150 concurrent requests per second, for 1 minute.
[19:08] <inetpro> stickyboy: not perhaps better to reduce the amount of connections allowed?
[19:08] <stickyboy> inetpro: It's a quad-core Xeon on Linode... with 4GB of RAM and an SSD.
[19:08] <stickyboy> Go moarrr fasterrrrr.
[19:09] <inetpro> the bottleneck will probably be tomcat?
[19:09] <stickyboy> inetpro: Nope. :)
[19:09] <stickyboy> After the requests are cached Tomcat doesn't even get a "hello, old pal!!!"
[19:09] <stickyboy> This application is ridiculously read only.
[19:09] <inetpro> ah
[19:10] <inetpro> interesting
[19:10] <stickyboy> And for logged in users I bypass cache entirely. So it's win win.
[19:10] <inetpro> mopkop: one question
[19:11] <mopkop> Yes?
[19:11] <stickyboy> inetpro: I did a similar thing for my blog, using the fastcgi_cache: https://github.com/alanorth/ansible_blog/blob/master/roles/nginx/templates/vhost.conf.j2#L63
[19:11] <stickyboy> inetpro: Pretty cool
[19:12] <inetpro> should we not just make the link name "Project Management" rather than "Trello Board"?
[19:12]  * inetpro just wondering
[19:13] <Kilos> can work
[19:13] <mopkop> Ok :)
[19:13] <inetpro> keep the icon the same though
[19:13] <Kilos> call it pros nagging tool
[19:14]  * inetpro just thinking from the perspective of a new user
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: uh
[19:15] <mopkop> Ok, is this just for the menu-link or for the "Getting involved" page also?
[19:16] <inetpro> well on the getting involved page you explain what it does, or not?
[19:16] <mopkop> Ok :)
[19:20] <Kilos> sjoe they are building nikola on #nikols
[19:20] <Kilos> #nikola
[19:20] <Kilos> well too me it looks like they are
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: cool
[19:20] <wolf1234> not cool
[19:20] <wolf1234> someone has taken my nic
[19:20] <wolf1234> in Australia
[19:21] <Kilos> oi
[19:21] <wolf1234> how is that even possible
[19:21] <inetpro> easy
[19:21] <inetpro> you didn't use it
[19:21] <inetpro> wolf1234: what was your nick again?
[19:22] <wolf1234> WOLFEYES
[19:22] <wolf1234> The person took it a month ago.
[19:23] <inetpro> 03/02 21:22:52 [NickServ] Information on WolFEyeS (account WolFEyeS):
[19:23] <inetpro> 03/02 21:22:52 [NickServ] Registered : Jan 27 04:58:09 2015 (4w 6d 14h ago)
[19:23] <wolf1234> exacly
[19:23] <inetpro> ai!
[19:23] <inetpro> wolf1234: time to find a new name
[19:24] <inetpro> not the end of the world
[19:24]  * stickyboy started out as stickboy 13+ years ago...
[19:24] <wolf1234> That is not cool!
[19:25] <stickyboy> Joined Freenode in 2004 and it was taken. Had to choose stickyboy.
[19:25] <stickyboy> :D
[19:25] <inetpro> use it or loose it
[19:26] <Kilos> wow you old hey stickyboy  
[19:26] <Kilos> 13 years on irc
[19:27]  * inetpro remembers using irc somewhere in the early 1990's but don't think it was freenode
[19:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:27] <inetpro> and have no idea what my nick was back then
[19:28] <Kilos> before hibana even?
[19:28] <Kilos> i miss hibana he was a nice guy
[19:28] <Kilos> real gentleman
[19:29] <stickyboy> Registered : Feb 08 00:56:28 2004 (11y 3w 4d ago)
[19:29] <stickyboy> <---
[19:30] <stickyboy> Man... been here a long time.
[19:30] <Kilos> old man river
[19:30]  * WOLFEYES_1 mumbles
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <inetpro> Maaz: nickometer WOLFEYES_IS
[19:32] <Maaz> inetpro: WOLFEYES_IS is 99.91% lame
[19:32] <inetpro> ai!
[19:32] <Kilos> register it before it gets grouped to the stolen nick
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <inetpro> mopkop: have you changed it?
[19:33] <mopkop> yes, pushing it now...
[19:33]  * inetpro waiting for the merge request
[19:34] <mopkop> Forgot to commit...
[19:36] <inetpro> mopkop: hmm... did you do the bzr launchpad-login thing?
[19:38] <mopkop> Yes, sorry it's up now.
[19:39] <mopkop> Should I request a merge now?
[19:40] <inetpro> mopkop: I don't see it linking you LP name
[19:40] <inetpro> https://code.launchpad.net/~prysdieheer/ubuntu-za/add-link-to-trello
[19:40] <mopkop> prysdieheer
[19:40] <mopkop> For some reason it did not register mopkop
[19:40] <inetpro> just looks odd 
[19:41] <inetpro> can you do the merge proposal please
[19:41] <mopkop> ok
[19:42] <mopkop> it's done
[19:44] <mopkop> Should I do the bzr merge thing now?
[19:46] <inetpro> you won't be able to push the merge 
[19:46]  * inetpro busy doing the merge
[19:47] <inetpro> in fact, I can't even do the merge
[19:47] <Kilos> ai!
[19:47] <inetpro> but hang on....
[19:50] <Kilos> we hang on
[19:52] <WOLFEYES_IS> night everyone...
[19:52] <inetpro> mopkop: you can go to trunk now and do bzr up
[19:52] <Kilos> night boy sleep tight
[19:54] <mopkop> Yay!
[19:55] <mopkop> So who uploads it onto the server?
[19:55] <inetpro> mopkop: superfly
[19:57] <mopkop> :-[
[19:57] <Kilos> inetpro  once again you scanned over me
[19:58] <Squirm> Gnight all
[19:58] <Kilos> night Squirm  
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos?
[19:59] <Kilos> africa is running locally
[19:59] <inetpro> uh
[19:59] <Kilos> what does uh mean
[20:00] <Kilos> from trunk no twit
[20:00] <Kilos> and everything works
[20:00] <Kilos> i think
[20:00] <Kilos> come see
[20:01] <inetpro> everything?
[20:01] <Kilos> pm
[20:03] <mopkop> Night Squirm!
[20:04] <mopkop> I just realized I made a typo in my email address with the whoami command. Will this break anything?
[20:05] <superfly> nope, you just won't be properly linked in Launchpad. Just run "whoami" again with the correct details
[20:05] <inetpro> ahh, that explains it
[20:08] <mopkop> Oh what a relief. I did not want to repeat today's python episode :)
[20:09] <Kilos> lol
[20:10] <inetpro> mopkop: take it as a good lesson
[20:10] <inetpro> I'm sure it won't happen again
[20:11] <mopkop> I hope so.
[20:12] <mopkop> Going to sleep now. Good night all!
[20:12] <inetpro> good night mopkop
[20:12] <Kilos> night mop
[20:12] <Kilos> sjoe so rude
[20:13] <Kilos> so inetpro  ive done lp login no in trunk do i bzr up now?
[20:13] <Kilos> now in trunk here
[20:14] <inetpro> bzr help launchpad-login
[20:15] <inetpro> and 
[20:15] <inetpro> bzr help up
[20:15] <Kilos> dont you see me there
[20:15] <inetpro> ai!
[20:18] <Kilos> ive done  bzr launchpad-login a couple of times
[20:18] <inetpro> Kilos: WAYTTD
[20:18] <Kilos> sigh
[20:18] <Kilos> im trying to get logged in to launchpad
[20:19] <Kilos> im doing it from my trunk is that right
[20:19]  * inetpro thinking... how can I answer this?
[20:20] <Kilos> ai!
[20:23] <inetpro> Kilos: cat ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[20:24] <inetpro> what 'bzr launchpad-login' does is not much more than editing your global bazaar.conf file
[20:24] <inetpro> you can run the command a 100 times, it won't make a difference
[20:24] <Kilos> [DEFAULT]
[20:25] <Kilos> email = msdomdonner
[20:25] <Kilos> launchpad_username = msdomdonner
[20:25] <Kilos> oh
[20:26] <inetpro> clearly your email address is even wrong there
[20:26] <Kilos> huh?
[20:27] <Kilos> please dont try make me think it out
[20:27] <Kilos> i did bzr up
[20:27] <inetpro> you didn't follow the correct 'bzr whoami' instructions?
[20:27] <Kilos> do you see it
[20:27] <Kilos> oh
[20:27] <inetpro> no
[20:27] <inetpro> what is 'bzr up' supposed to do?
[20:28] <Kilos> send this stuff up to there
[20:28] <inetpro> uh, really?
[20:28] <inetpro> bzr help up
[20:28] <Kilos> i dunno
[20:29] <Kilos> i looked there
[20:29] <inetpro> RTFS
[20:30] <Kilos> must i bzr update trunk
[20:30] <Kilos> i did that
[20:30] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[20:31] <Kilos> i cant read a paragraph and then use it, i have to do one line at a time
[20:32] <Kilos> do you see a revision 4 in trunk
[20:32] <inetpro> you need to understand the big picture
[20:32] <inetpro> RTFS https://ubuntu-za.org/bazaar-tutorial.html
[20:32] <Kilos> ai! i give up
[20:34] <inetpro> spoonfeeding every command will never help anyone
[20:42] <Kilos> ok cat looks different but i still cant login
[20:42] <Kilos> [DEFAULT]
[20:42] <Kilos> email = Miles Sharpe <msdomdonner@gmail.com>
[20:42] <Kilos> launchpad_username = msdomdonner
[20:43] <Kilos> is something supposed to change here when it logs in
[20:46] <inetpro> now that looks better
[20:46] <inetpro> Kilos: but 
[20:46] <inetpro> what do you mean you can not login?
[20:47] <Kilos> well i did it with msdomdonner but i dont see anything changed
[20:47] <Kilos> didnt say logged in or nothing
[20:47] <inetpro> 03/02 22:24:53 <inetpro> you can run the command a 100 times, it won't make a difference
[20:48] <Kilos> oh we did this before
[20:48] <inetpro> Kilos: it is a once off thing
[20:50] <inetpro> Kilos: if your ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf is correct and you have the correct SSH keys uploaded on LP then you do not have to worry about the login again
[20:51] <Kilos> oh
[20:51] <inetpro> the login on the browser is a different story
[20:52] <inetpro> let me rehprase
[20:52] <inetpro> Kilos: if your ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf is correct and you have the correct public SSH key uploaded on LP and your local private key has not changed then you do not have to worry about the login again
[20:53] <inetpro> the bzr login*
[20:53] <Kilos> well it worked once before, how many revisions do you see there
[20:54] <Kilos> here i see revision 4
[20:54] <inetpro> exactly 4
[20:54] <Kilos> but its in trunk and you guys said dont work in trunk
[20:54] <inetpro> exactly 
[20:55] <Kilos> so then that should work by you as well
[20:55] <inetpro> it is better to do development on different branches, and then integrate those back into the main branch, once they are stable
[20:55] <inetpro> the main branch = trunk
[20:55] <Kilos> thats why i made twit remember
[20:55] <inetpro> twit was a moerse mistake
[20:56] <Kilos> oh
[20:56] <inetpro> a moerse mistake times 3
[20:56] <Kilos> oh oh oh
[20:56] <Kilos> in what way?
[20:56] <inetpro> you should have branched 
[20:56] <Kilos> because it didnt branch from trunk?
[20:56] <inetpro> it is better to do development on different branches, and then integrate those back into the main branch, once they are stable
[20:57] <Kilos> twit was branched from ubuntu-africa
[20:57] <inetpro> eish, ok I see that now
[20:58] <inetpro> but you branched once and then must have done more stuff in trunk
[20:58] <Kilos> nope
[20:59] <inetpro> think is you did it all by yourself
[20:59] <Kilos> i left =trunk alone before i even made twit
[20:59] <inetpro> the idea with team development is that you allow other devs to check and approve your work
[20:59] <Kilos> because in trunk i had messups that fly fixed
[21:00] <inetpro> they dev something and they ask someone else to approve
[21:00] <Kilos> so
[21:00] <inetpro> you do not become the judge, the jury and the excutioner
[21:00] <Kilos> if you run nikola from trunk now do you see the site locally
[21:01] <inetpro> Kilos: patience!!!
[21:02] <inetpro> 03/01 20:25:17 <superfly> and no patience
[21:03] <Kilos> im not pushing to get the site working man
[21:03] <Kilos> 'i want to know if you can run it locally and see if it works and looks ok
[21:04] <inetpro> 03/02 14:09:26 <superfly> Kilos: wat maak jy? I've already got a basic Ubuntu-Africa site set up, and if you committed a whole lot of nonsense, I can get rid of it.
[21:04] <inetpro> Kilos: my branch works
[21:05] <Kilos> is your branch different to whats in trunk?
[21:07] <inetpro> Kilos: just very slightly modified
[21:07] <Kilos> ok then so everything is ok so far
[21:08] <Kilos> now we just be patient
[21:08] <inetpro> Kilos: patience does not mean you must stop working
[21:08] <Kilos> i can forget about bzr and nikola for a while
[21:08] <inetpro> no!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:08] <Kilos> lol
[21:08] <Kilos> oi oi oi
[21:09] <Kilos> you should take my addy permanently
[21:10] <inetpro> 1. start a fresh Nikola site
[21:10] <inetpro> 2. add more pages and content
[21:10] <inetpro> 3. learn to do bzr properly
[21:10] <Kilos> ai!
[21:11] <Kilos> i started 2 today
[21:11] <Kilos> first one i used wrong name causing fly to send that wat maak jy message
[21:12] <Kilos> so ill play in the other one from now on
[21:12] <inetpro> stop making assumptions
[21:12] <Kilos> ai!  strydom
[21:13] <inetpro> you really believe he is watching over your shoulders?
[21:13] <Kilos> who
 first one i used wrong name causing fly....
[21:14] <inetpro> why you say that ^^ ?
[21:14] <Kilos> he saw i made it same name as ubuntu africa
[21:15] <Kilos> and im sure he worries i will mess up more that he has to fix eventually
[21:15] <inetpro> it?
[21:16] <Kilos> the first link i gave today
[21:17] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/nikola_site-wyxEAuGj.png
[21:17] <inetpro> uh, why shuld he even worry about that
[21:18] <Kilos> isnt the name ubuntu africa
[21:18] <Kilos> then i made this one
[21:18] <inetpro> so what!? It's on your local host
[21:18] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/nikola_site1-JqENi2lU.png
[21:20] <inetpro> makes no difference
[21:23] <Kilos> every 184 years the moon does what it is going to do tonight
[21:23] <Kilos> will show 12 colours
[21:23]  * inetpro needs sleep
[21:24] <inetpro> good night
[21:26] <Kilos> night inetpro  
[21:26] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:33] <Kilos> at 11.48 is when the moon thing will be at max
[21:53] <Kilos> i only saw 4 colours plus white and a shadow moon behind it
[21:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight