remlineMarzatha, I saw that too. Quite a few compliments about Xfce in the comments, and also a few flamewars about GTK+ vs. Qt.00:17
natuzAnyone is using gimp here ?01:07
ObrienDavea bit01:10
natuzObrienDave: do you use gimp-gap ?01:13
natuzI have an issue I think it's linked with xubuntu01:13
ObrienDavegimp-gap? i have used GIMP for images. is that what you're asking about?01:14
ObrienDaveoooo, i see, no, I have never used gimp-gap01:16
natuzObrienDave: yes the thing to extract images from a video01:20
Demon_JesterHey guys, I have a question I am wanting to work on an android app, and I want it to communicate with my xubuntu desktop (remote connection) what would be common way to do that? I know about SSH, but I am not sure if using ssh connection in android app is common or what01:42
bcowananyone know of any good power saving laptop scripts01:49
holsteinDemon_Jester: i have used ssh to and from android/xubuntu02:41
holstein!info laptop-mode-tools02:42
ubottulaptop-mode-tools (source: laptop-mode-tools): Tools for Power Savings based on battery/AC status. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.64-1ubuntu1 (utopic), package size 84 kB, installed size 407 kB02:42
holsteinbcowan: ^02:42
holsteinthough, i have never done much software wise to address power.. i'll just turn off hardware im not using, and make sure i have the "best" driver for GPU, etc02:42
bcowanholstein, darn thing wants to install a ton of QT crap02:43
holsteinbcowan: unless there is something particular you want to address, you really shoudnt need anything02:44
bcowanholstein, just trying to get the most out of this old macbook02:45
bcowanOSX gets like 4 hours...lucky to get an hour in linux02:45
holsteinid say, you can "piddle" about for hours and days testing and probably find a way to get a few more minutes02:45
holsteinbcowan: sure. thats common.. apple worked, and hired a team of professionals to write drivers and test.. ubuntu is not preventing that level of support for that hardware, but, you wont find a "script" that will improve that support02:46
holsteinits a compromise, for sure.. but, i say, just make sure you have the "best" GPU drivers, etc..02:46
ubottuFor help on installing and using Ubuntu on a Mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages02:47
holsteinyou can look for and read guides that may or may not address your specific hardware.. you can look on support forums and mailing lists or in a larger support channel like #ubuntu or a main linux channel for someone with that exact hardware02:48
holsteinyou can ask them if they address the battery life, and if so, how02:48
bcowanwas a nightmare trying to install...32 bit EFI with 64 bit userland02:49
holsteinyou can buy hardware with linux already on it, and with promised/guaranteed linux support.. such as from system7602:49
holsteini am aquring a uefi dell.. so far, worked "out of the box" by changing a setting in the bios.. and on my macbook, i used reFit02:50
bcowanIm using refit the 32 bit EFI isnt in any distro install medium02:51
cfhowlettholstein, I've got the Dell precision m380002:51
bcowangrub has to be the most unfriendly program in all of *nix02:54
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub202:55
holsteinworks "as advertised" here..02:55
holsteincan be problematic, if the hardware requires special attention to force it to do what you want it todo02:55
bcowanIve used grub for years...just think its been hacked together trying to do too much anymore02:57
bcowanI really like the look/feel/theme of this 4.12 and 15.0403:06
holsteinbcowan: you might want to try something officially supported.. though, i think what your issue is is hardware support for linux..03:12
bcowanjust trying to get back into linux...was a gentoo dev for years and maintained xfce but real life got in the way03:18
gulzarI have executable of tor browser, but thunar opens that executable in text editor. pcmanfm, nautilus executes it. How to set thuanr to execute such scripts?06:07
ubottuTor is a program to route connections through several servers for anonymity. It is in Ubuntu's repositories, but the Tor Project recommends using their Tor packages due to past issues with Ubuntu's. For setup info, see option (2) of https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en | To use Tor on freenode, see !tor-sasl06:08
holsteingulzar: ^06:08
holsteingulzar: otherwise, you ask the party that provided you with "executable for tor browser" how you are to use the tool they provided you06:08
gulzarholstein: that was horrible.. my question is regarding running executable scripts.. like for Discovery studio, matlab, tor, etc06:09
gulzarholstein: pcmanfm, natutilus run them only thunar cannot06:09
holsteingulzar: one can right-click on icons, and find, in the GUI menu, a tickbox for making executablel06:09
gulzarholstein: it is06:09
holsteingulzar: if what you have is "broken", then, it wont work.. you'll have to ask who made it why its not working.. we cant support it since its not ours.. you can use the one in the default repos referenced ^06:10
gulzarholstein: I repeat, pcmanfm can execute only thunar cannot06:10
gulzarholstein: tipical ubuntu reply,, that's why I left ubuntu06:11
sorinelloHello. Does anyone know if Xfce 4.12 will be available for Xubuntu 14.10 ?08:08
sorinelloi mean using official channels, not the xubuntu-dev ppa08:08
cfhowlettsorinello, doubtfull since 14.10 is only supported for 9 months.08:10
elfyanything for 14.10 is likely to be a PPA08:10
elfycfhowlett: exactly :)08:11
elfyand there's only 5 months left08:11
cfhowlettelfy, I am hopeful it will be backported to 14.04.  I only do LTS08:12
elfysorinello: given that 14.10 is EOL in July, I'd install 15.04 in April08:12
sorinelloso either wait for 15.04 or use PPA's08:12
elfycfhowlett: the plan afaik is "vivid > xfce-412 ppa for utopic > ppa for trusty > trusty SRUs as needed"08:12
sorinelloelfy, yeah, I'll install 15.04, but I am eager to try the new Xfce :)08:12
Luyinis 15.04 going to be an LTS release again?08:13
cfhowlettLuyin, no.  next LTS = 16.0508:14
cfhowlettevery 2 years08:14
cfhowlettelfy, thanks.08:14
* Luyin is thinking about installing arch with xfce 4.1208:14
sorinelloelfy, cfhowlett : so xfce 4.12 is out, but https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.12 states that "Please note that these are pre-release versions". I am confused08:16
elfysorinello: that's an old PPA - perhaps people have had other things to look at lately :)08:17
sorinelloso what is the ppa for getting the released version of 4.12 ?08:17
elfyby old I mean we've not looked at that for a few months - descriptions were updated a while back08:18
sorinelloah ok, so it's only the descriptions which are outdated08:18
elfyyes - but the contents haven't been looked at lately either08:19
elfyif it was up to date it would show very recent dates08:19
elfyatm - the way to get 4.12 is use vivid08:19
elfyso my advice to you is to wait :)08:20
sorinelloelfy, seems that they are not advertising the proper way: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/xfce-4-12-released-after-almost-three-years08:20
Luyinby the way, thanks so much for the development of 4.12. I'm really looking forward to it :)08:20
elfysorinello: or you can test vivid08:20
sorinelloelfy, I don't quite know what vivid is08:21
elfysorinello: umm - that is NOT us - that is them08:21
elfysorinello: vivid is 15.0408:21
sorinelloelfy, yes, that is THEM :)08:21
sorinellobrb, reboot08:22
sorinelloelfy, : funny thing about that tutorial is that it doesn't work. I'm still on 4.10. At least xfce4-about tell me so08:25
Luyinsorinello: if you open a terminal and enter "dpkg -l xfce*", you will be given a list of your installed (or not installed) apps with their respective versions. you should see there that many applications are already from 4.11, at least that's with xubuntu 14.04.08:27
sorinelloindeed. but I don't see any 4.12, so omgubuntu's tutorial is wrong or that ppa is not updated08:28
elfyas I said - not updated08:31
elfypatience will be key :)08:31
sorinelloI purged that PPA and downgraded to the system defaults08:33
DoomBoomhey, on Xubuntu using the Chinese Pinyin keyboard layout(ibus-pinyin) in Firefox I noticed that whenever I select text it immediately deletes it08:49
DoomBoomI thought it was a bug in Firefox first but I noticed it's not in Lubuntu, which I've noticed has an updated ibus(1.5.8 vs 1.5.5 on Xubuntu)08:50
DoomBoomI made a bug report at Firefox but seems like if Xubuntu can update this it would be fixed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/process_bug.cgi08:51
cfhowlettDoomBoom, might want to check the ubuntu-cn channel ... also, check out ubuntukylin!08:52
DoomBoomnote that it only happens in Firefox for me, no other applications on Xubuntu08:52
cfhowlett!cn | DoomBoom08:52
ubottuDoomBoom: 如欲獲得中文的協助,請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw08:52
DoomBoomI actually can't speak Chinese though08:52
DoomBoomI'm just learning it when I found out about this08:53
Alftanddoes anyone here know how to configure xubuntu so that the whisker menu opens upon pressing the super key?09:57
baizonAlftand: http://thinkonbytes.blogspot.de/2014/04/xubuntu-open-whisker-menu-with-windows.html10:00
* Luyin guesses the topic might need a little update concerning 4.12...10:01
Alftandcheers. this channel is much better than other channels10:02
Alftand(linuxmint irc is like a ghost town)10:02
lopsAlftand, that's because official linuxmint irc is not on freenode10:02
Alftandhow would i change the default window manager to compiz10:19
innocentHello! After making a clean 14.04 install on a new machine (laptop with hybrid intel/ati graphic cards) there where a few thin blinking pink lines on my native screen(also using a duplicated external vga connected screen).After trying (mostly blindly)varius stuff and guides switching to kernel 3.18.8 (instead of the older 3.13.something) seemed to have solved the problem.The big question now is : Is there any related reading on11:59
innocent how to troubleshoot graphic issues in linux? And also related reading on how graphics/drivers/w.e are rendered and used? Just trying to build a knowledge base here ;D Thanks in advance !11:59
innocent(holly crap , sorry for the text-wall)11:59
bazhanghow was that kernel upgraded/installed and from where12:01
innocentdownloaded the 3 files from kernel website and installed them through konsole12:04
bazhanggoing outside package management, especially for the kernel is not a good idea at all12:05
innocentActually also the 3.13...39 solved the issue but then the external screen and the usb peripherals stoped working12:06
bazhangand you have tried a bunch of guides blindly, so its going to be very hard to troubleshoot, with the custom kernel and what not12:06
innocentIts a clean install so i was planning to do a re-install and just use the one that worked , so thats not an issue for now12:07
bazhang!info linux-generic12:07
ubottulinux-generic (source: linux-meta): Complete Generic Linux kernel and headers. In component main, is optional. Version (utopic), package size 1 kB, installed size 28 kB12:07
innocentSo 3.16 is the latest i can safelly try?12:08
bazhangthis clean install is with the standard package manager kernel , absent the guides following "fixes"?12:08
bazhangthe latest kernel has no connection to the latest stable12:09
bazhangwhile it's tempting to follow the higher number of everything that comes out for the purported new features, unless you are running a rolling release like arch, it's something you really would be better off avoiding12:10
ubottuThe kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds12:11
bazhangyou could look into that ^, but thats entirely at your own risk, you realize, and of course have backups of *all* important data at a ll times12:12
bazhangand all12:12
innocentSo , to get it right : Up/down-grading kernel is it a 'valid' way of troubleshooting issues?12:12
lopswell you can try 3.16 from 14.10 via the Hardware Enablement Stack12:12
lopswhich is designed for backporting kernel to LTS 14.04.12:13
bazhangvalid if you are really well-versed at coming back from completely broken systems that often result, otherwise not at all12:13
innocentI dont really mind that :D12:14
innocentAnd what about the 2 questions in the beggining?Related reading on how to troubleshoot graphic issues and how drivers etc work in linux?12:15
innocentThanks a lot for your time and answers lops and bazhang !12:22
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TheXenithhello! I am using a converted Ubuntu to Xubuntu, and the only panel indicator (volume, battery, etc.) is from Unity; it crashes often and looks ugly. xfce4-indicator-plugin is reported as installed, but I don't know if that's the Unity plugin or something else; regardless, I need an indicator panel plugin that works16:39
DoomBoomwhere's the configuration file for xdg-open or exo-open?18:06
DoomBoomI apparently have to remove the '-remote' argument when opening an URL in Firefox, because in Firefox 36 this argument was removed18:06
DoomBoomand that might be a reason why all my programs that open links in my default browser(firefox) are broken18:07
Unit193DoomBoom: /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/firefox.desktop18:07
DoomBoomey thanks18:08
DoomBoomI see the -remote thing18:08
DoomBoomUnit193, but will my changes be overriden when I upgrade after changing a file in /usr/share?18:09
DoomBoomI guess it doesn't matter as the next time it it updates it'll probably be fixed18:09
Unit193DoomBoom: Yep, but the next upgrade will be the fix. :P18:09
DoomBoomhehe figured18:10
DoomBoomthat fixed it18:12
l3robotHi everyone18:22
l3robotI need help18:22
eikon81gI am trying to do some quick updates using the software updater and I am getting: "The upgrade needs a total of 159 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 24.3 M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'." can I go to the folder and just empty out the contents my self? I ran the clean command and I still get the error mes18:39
eikon81gsage and my trash is empty.18:39
xubuntu84wWhenever I click  on help in thunar and choose contents - read online I get the browser but no  help files. Also when I right click on a html file and select open  with Web Browser I just get Firefox and not the html  file. Is there a way to fix this please.18:40
eikon81gMy boot folder contains a "grub" folder and a "lost+found" folder as well as several packages and some files that are owned by root so I am not sure what can go and what can be deleted without causing issues.18:41
knomexubuntu84w, it's a known bug and the fix is about to land soon18:41
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funrep_hi, may i ask how i can ignore the fixed width/height of the terminal (ie resize it freely)? is it a setting in my emulator (gnome-terminal) or in the window manager of xfce?19:15
drcfunrep_: Terminal Preferences>Appearance>Default Geometry.  You can also just grab a corner and drag it to any size you want.19:18
funrep_well, that's my problem19:20
funrep_i dont want it as collums and rows, i want to the terminal to be able to utilize my whole left-side resolution19:20
funrep_lest me take a screenshot19:20
brainvvashfunrep_, konsole supports free resizing19:21
funrep_i want the terminal to fill the whole screen, i dont mind that some stuff shows incorrectly inside the terminal19:23
funrep_just it fills up all the space19:23
knomefunrep_, most terminals will not show half rows, so if there isn't space for another full one, they'll just not expand over that19:24
funrep_well, in dwm you can disable resize-hints to overcome this issue, can you do that with xfce's wm?19:25
eikon81gBack.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10505286/19:25
eikon81gThats my boot folder ^19:25
brainvvashfunrep_, yes, you'll have to change the source code19:26
funrep_so there's no settings?19:26
brainvvashdoes not look like there is one19:26
eikon81gso I can do this sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.16.0-30-generic19:26
funrep_is there an easy way to use same wm as ubuntu (unity) in xfce?19:26
eikon81gOk I am removing the .30 kernal because I used uname -r to confirm I am now on .3119:28
* eikon81g learns a little bit at a time19:28
eikon81gthanks so much to everyone who chipped in especially daftykins! I will continue along and WHEN I get stuck again I'll be back, have a great week everyone!19:31
bynariehi guys22:11
klopsi-u3hi bynarie22:12
xubuntu754i have a question22:12
xubuntu754does 14.04.2 comes with xfce 14.12?22:12
xubuntu754or should I update xfce after i install?22:13
knomexubuntu754, no, it doesn't22:13
xubuntu754manual update?22:13
knomeyou can update manually if you insist, but that will not be supported22:14
xubuntu754should I encounter any incompatibillities?22:15
knomethat's always possible22:15
xanguaYou could just wait for 15.0422:15
holsteinyou can.. since, its not supported..22:15
ubottuA Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge22:15
holsteincould work *great*.. you'll just have to try it and see..22:16
knomeholstein, not sure if there is a complete 4.12 ppa yet22:16
knomebut then again, i haven't looked after saturday (the release...)22:16
xubuntu754will give it a try22:16
holsteinknome: i thought i found one the other day.. but, i surely havent tried one "first-hand"22:16
xubuntu754thanks, and have a good night22:17
xanguaYou waited 2 years, you can wait another two months22:17
knomeholstein, well there has been this "4.12" PPA for ages already22:17
knomebut it has basically been 4.11 versions22:17
knomeand still seems to be22:18
holsteinknome: that could be the one i saw, for sure..22:18
knomefor trusty at least22:18
knomeutopic seems to have 4.12 versions too22:18
xanguaIt has 4.11, not 4.1222:19
knomethe utopic versions seem to be more or less 4.12 (uploaded today)22:19
knomethe trusty ones are 4.1122:19
xanguaOh you mean the PPA22:20
knomewhat else would i mean if i link to the PPA? :)22:20
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