[00:17] <remline> Marzatha, I saw that too. Quite a few compliments about Xfce in the comments, and also a few flamewars about GTK+ vs. Qt.
[01:07] <natuz> Anyone is using gimp here ?
[01:10] <ObrienDave> a bit
[01:13] <natuz> ObrienDave: do you use gimp-gap ?
[01:13] <natuz> I have an issue I think it's linked with xubuntu
[01:14] <ObrienDave> gimp-gap? i have used GIMP for images. is that what you're asking about?
[01:16] <ObrienDave> oooo, i see, no, I have never used gimp-gap
[01:20] <natuz> ObrienDave: yes the thing to extract images from a video
[01:42] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys, I have a question I am wanting to work on an android app, and I want it to communicate with my xubuntu desktop (remote connection) what would be common way to do that? I know about SSH, but I am not sure if using ssh connection in android app is common or what
[01:49] <bcowan> anyone know of any good power saving laptop scripts
[02:41] <holstein> Demon_Jester: i have used ssh to and from android/xubuntu
[02:42] <holstein> !info laptop-mode-tools
[02:42] <holstein> bcowan: ^
[02:42] <holstein> though, i have never done much software wise to address power.. i'll just turn off hardware im not using, and make sure i have the "best" driver for GPU, etc
[02:43] <bcowan> holstein, darn thing wants to install a ton of QT crap
[02:44] <holstein> bcowan: unless there is something particular you want to address, you really shoudnt need anything
[02:45] <bcowan> holstein, just trying to get the most out of this old macbook
[02:45] <bcowan> OSX gets like 4 hours...lucky to get an hour in linux
[02:45] <holstein> id say, you can "piddle" about for hours and days testing and probably find a way to get a few more minutes
[02:46] <holstein> bcowan: sure. thats common.. apple worked, and hired a team of professionals to write drivers and test.. ubuntu is not preventing that level of support for that hardware, but, you wont find a "script" that will improve that support
[02:46] <holstein> its a compromise, for sure.. but, i say, just make sure you have the "best" GPU drivers, etc..
[02:47] <holstein> !macbook
[02:48] <holstein> you can look for and read guides that may or may not address your specific hardware.. you can look on support forums and mailing lists or in a larger support channel like #ubuntu or a main linux channel for someone with that exact hardware
[02:48] <holstein> you can ask them if they address the battery life, and if so, how
[02:49] <bcowan> was a nightmare trying to install...32 bit EFI with 64 bit userland
[02:49] <holstein> you can buy hardware with linux already on it, and with promised/guaranteed linux support.. such as from system76
[02:50] <holstein> i am aquring a uefi dell.. so far, worked "out of the box" by changing a setting in the bios.. and on my macbook, i used reFit
[02:51] <bcowan> Im using refit the 32 bit EFI isnt in any distro install medium
[02:51] <cfhowlett> holstein, I've got the Dell precision m3800
[02:54] <bcowan> grub has to be the most unfriendly program in all of *nix
[02:55] <holstein> !grub
[02:55] <holstein> works "as advertised" here..
[02:55] <holstein> can be problematic, if the hardware requires special attention to force it to do what you want it todo
[02:57] <bcowan> Ive used grub for years...just think its been hacked together trying to do too much anymore
[03:06] <bcowan> I really like the look/feel/theme of this 4.12 and 15.04
[03:12] <holstein> bcowan: you might want to try something officially supported.. though, i think what your issue is is hardware support for linux..
[03:18] <bcowan> just trying to get back into linux...was a gentoo dev for years and maintained xfce but real life got in the way
[06:07] <gulzar> I have executable of tor browser, but thunar opens that executable in text editor. pcmanfm, nautilus executes it. How to set thuanr to execute such scripts?
[06:08] <holstein> !tor
[06:08] <holstein> gulzar: ^
[06:08] <holstein> gulzar: otherwise, you ask the party that provided you with "executable for tor browser" how you are to use the tool they provided you
[06:09] <gulzar> holstein: that was horrible.. my question is regarding running executable scripts.. like for Discovery studio, matlab, tor, etc
[06:09] <gulzar> holstein: pcmanfm, natutilus run them only thunar cannot
[06:09] <holstein> gulzar: one can right-click on icons, and find, in the GUI menu, a tickbox for making executablel
[06:09] <holstein> executable*
[06:09] <gulzar> holstein: it is
[06:10] <holstein> gulzar: if what you have is "broken", then, it wont work.. you'll have to ask who made it why its not working.. we cant support it since its not ours.. you can use the one in the default repos referenced ^
[06:10] <gulzar> holstein: I repeat, pcmanfm can execute only thunar cannot
[06:11] <gulzar> holstein: tipical ubuntu reply,, that's why I left ubuntu
[08:08] <sorinello> Hello. Does anyone know if Xfce 4.12 will be available for Xubuntu 14.10 ?
[08:08] <sorinello> i mean using official channels, not the xubuntu-dev ppa
[08:10] <cfhowlett> sorinello, doubtfull since 14.10 is only supported for 9 months.
[08:10] <elfy> anything for 14.10 is likely to be a PPA
[08:11] <elfy> cfhowlett: exactly :)
[08:11] <elfy> and there's only 5 months left
[08:12] <cfhowlett> elfy, I am hopeful it will be backported to 14.04.  I only do LTS
[08:12] <elfy> sorinello: given that 14.10 is EOL in July, I'd install 15.04 in April
[08:12] <sorinello> so either wait for 15.04 or use PPA's
[08:12] <elfy> cfhowlett: the plan afaik is "vivid > xfce-412 ppa for utopic > ppa for trusty > trusty SRUs as needed"
[08:12] <sorinello> elfy, yeah, I'll install 15.04, but I am eager to try the new Xfce :)
[08:13] <Luyin> is 15.04 going to be an LTS release again?
[08:14] <cfhowlett> Luyin, no.  next LTS = 16.05
[08:14] <Luyin> ok
[08:14] <cfhowlett> 16.04
[08:14] <cfhowlett> every 2 years
[08:14] <cfhowlett> elfy, thanks.
[08:14]  * Luyin is thinking about installing arch with xfce 4.12
[08:16] <sorinello> elfy, cfhowlett : so xfce 4.12 is out, but https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.12 states that "Please note that these are pre-release versions". I am confused
[08:17] <elfy> sorinello: that's an old PPA - perhaps people have had other things to look at lately :)
[08:17] <sorinello> so what is the ppa for getting the released version of 4.12 ?
[08:18] <elfy> by old I mean we've not looked at that for a few months - descriptions were updated a while back
[08:18] <sorinello> ah ok, so it's only the descriptions which are outdated
[08:19] <elfy> yes - but the contents haven't been looked at lately either
[08:19] <elfy> if it was up to date it would show very recent dates
[08:19] <elfy> atm - the way to get 4.12 is use vivid
[08:20] <elfy> so my advice to you is to wait :)
[08:20] <sorinello> elfy, seems that they are not advertising the proper way: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/xfce-4-12-released-after-almost-three-years
[08:20] <Luyin> by the way, thanks so much for the development of 4.12. I'm really looking forward to it :)
[08:20] <elfy> sorinello: or you can test vivid
[08:21] <sorinello> elfy, I don't quite know what vivid is
[08:21] <elfy> sorinello: umm - that is NOT us - that is them
[08:21] <elfy> sorinello: vivid is 15.04
[08:21] <sorinello> ah
[08:21] <sorinello> elfy, yes, that is THEM :)
[08:22] <sorinello> brb, reboot
[08:25] <sorinello> elfy, : funny thing about that tutorial is that it doesn't work. I'm still on 4.10. At least xfce4-about tell me so
[08:27] <Luyin> sorinello: if you open a terminal and enter "dpkg -l xfce*", you will be given a list of your installed (or not installed) apps with their respective versions. you should see there that many applications are already from 4.11, at least that's with xubuntu 14.04.
[08:28] <sorinello> indeed. but I don't see any 4.12, so omgubuntu's tutorial is wrong or that ppa is not updated
[08:31] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.12?field.series_filter=utopic
[08:31] <elfy> as I said - not updated
[08:31] <elfy> patience will be key :)
[08:33] <sorinello> I purged that PPA and downgraded to the system defaults
[08:49] <DoomBoom> hey, on Xubuntu using the Chinese Pinyin keyboard layout(ibus-pinyin) in Firefox I noticed that whenever I select text it immediately deletes it
[08:50] <DoomBoom> I thought it was a bug in Firefox first but I noticed it's not in Lubuntu, which I've noticed has an updated ibus(1.5.8 vs 1.5.5 on Xubuntu)
[08:51] <DoomBoom> I made a bug report at Firefox but seems like if Xubuntu can update this it would be fixed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/process_bug.cgi
[08:52] <cfhowlett> DoomBoom, might want to check the ubuntu-cn channel ... also, check out ubuntukylin!
[08:52] <DoomBoom> note that it only happens in Firefox for me, no other applications on Xubuntu
[08:52] <cfhowlett> !cn | DoomBoom
[08:52] <DoomBoom> I actually can't speak Chinese though
[08:53] <DoomBoom> I'm just learning it when I found out about this
[09:57] <Alftand> hello?
[09:57] <Alftand> does anyone here know how to configure xubuntu so that the whisker menu opens upon pressing the super key?
[10:00] <baizon> Alftand: http://thinkonbytes.blogspot.de/2014/04/xubuntu-open-whisker-menu-with-windows.html
[10:01]  * Luyin guesses the topic might need a little update concerning 4.12...
[10:02] <Alftand> cheers. this channel is much better than other channels
[10:02] <Alftand> (linuxmint irc is like a ghost town)
[10:02] <lops> Alftand, that's because official linuxmint irc is not on freenode
[10:03] <Alftand> oh
[10:03] <Alftand> kk
[10:19] <Alftand> how would i change the default window manager to compiz
[10:20] <Alftand> nevermind
[11:59] <innocent> Hello! After making a clean 14.04 install on a new machine (laptop with hybrid intel/ati graphic cards) there where a few thin blinking pink lines on my native screen(also using a duplicated external vga connected screen).After trying (mostly blindly)varius stuff and guides switching to kernel 3.18.8 (instead of the older 3.13.something) seemed to have solved the problem.The big question now is : Is there any related reading on
[11:59] <innocent>  how to troubleshoot graphic issues in linux? And also related reading on how graphics/drivers/w.e are rendered and used? Just trying to build a knowledge base here ;D Thanks in advance !
[11:59] <innocent> (holly crap , sorry for the text-wall)
[12:01] <bazhang> how was that kernel upgraded/installed and from where
[12:04] <innocent> downloaded the 3 files from kernel website and installed them through konsole
[12:05] <bazhang> going outside package management, especially for the kernel is not a good idea at all
[12:06] <innocent> Actually also the 3.13...39 solved the issue but then the external screen and the usb peripherals stoped working
[12:06] <bazhang> and you have tried a bunch of guides blindly, so its going to be very hard to troubleshoot, with the custom kernel and what not
[12:07] <innocent> Its a clean install so i was planning to do a re-install and just use the one that worked , so thats not an issue for now
[12:07] <bazhang> !info linux-generic
[12:08] <innocent> So 3.16 is the latest i can safelly try?
[12:08] <bazhang> this clean install is with the standard package manager kernel , absent the guides following "fixes"?
[12:08] <innocent> yes
[12:09] <bazhang> the latest kernel has no connection to the latest stable
[12:10] <bazhang> while it's tempting to follow the higher number of everything that comes out for the purported new features, unless you are running a rolling release like arch, it's something you really would be better off avoiding
[12:11] <bazhang> !mainline
[12:12] <bazhang> you could look into that ^, but thats entirely at your own risk, you realize, and of course have backups of *all* important data at a ll times
[12:12] <bazhang> and all
[12:12] <innocent> So , to get it right : Up/down-grading kernel is it a 'valid' way of troubleshooting issues?
[12:12] <lops> well you can try 3.16 from 14.10 via the Hardware Enablement Stack
[12:13] <lops> which is designed for backporting kernel to LTS 14.04.
[12:13] <bazhang> valid if you are really well-versed at coming back from completely broken systems that often result, otherwise not at all
[12:14] <innocent> I dont really mind that :D
[12:15] <innocent> And what about the 2 questions in the beggining?Related reading on how to troubleshoot graphic issues and how drivers etc work in linux?
[12:22] <innocent> Thanks a lot for your time and answers lops and bazhang !
[12:22] <bazhang> :)
[16:39] <TheXenith> hello! I am using a converted Ubuntu to Xubuntu, and the only panel indicator (volume, battery, etc.) is from Unity; it crashes often and looks ugly. xfce4-indicator-plugin is reported as installed, but I don't know if that's the Unity plugin or something else; regardless, I need an indicator panel plugin that works
[18:06] <DoomBoom> where's the configuration file for xdg-open or exo-open?
[18:06] <DoomBoom> I apparently have to remove the '-remote' argument when opening an URL in Firefox, because in Firefox 36 this argument was removed
[18:07] <DoomBoom> and that might be a reason why all my programs that open links in my default browser(firefox) are broken
[18:07] <Unit193> DoomBoom: /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/firefox.desktop
[18:08] <DoomBoom> ey thanks
[18:08] <DoomBoom> I see the -remote thing
[18:09] <DoomBoom> Unit193, but will my changes be overriden when I upgrade after changing a file in /usr/share?
[18:09] <DoomBoom> I guess it doesn't matter as the next time it it updates it'll probably be fixed
[18:09] <Unit193> DoomBoom: Yep, but the next upgrade will be the fix. :P
[18:10] <DoomBoom> hehe figured
[18:10] <DoomBoom> thanks
[18:12] <DoomBoom> that fixed it
[18:12] <DoomBoom> finally
[18:22] <l3robot> Hi everyone
[18:22] <l3robot> I need help
[18:39] <eikon81g> I am trying to do some quick updates using the software updater and I am getting: "The upgrade needs a total of 159 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 24.3 M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'." can I go to the folder and just empty out the contents my self? I ran the clean command and I still get the error mes
[18:39] <eikon81g> sage and my trash is empty.
[18:40] <xubuntu84w> Whenever I click  on help in thunar and choose contents - read online I get the browser but no  help files. Also when I right click on a html file and select open  with Web Browser I just get Firefox and not the html  file. Is there a way to fix this please.
[18:41] <eikon81g> My boot folder contains a "grub" folder and a "lost+found" folder as well as several packages and some files that are owned by root so I am not sure what can go and what can be deleted without causing issues.
[18:41] <knome> xubuntu84w, it's a known bug and the fix is about to land soon
[18:46] <xubuntu84w> Thanks!
[19:15] <funrep_> hi, may i ask how i can ignore the fixed width/height of the terminal (ie resize it freely)? is it a setting in my emulator (gnome-terminal) or in the window manager of xfce?
[19:18] <drc> funrep_: Terminal Preferences>Appearance>Default Geometry.  You can also just grab a corner and drag it to any size you want.
[19:20] <funrep_> well, that's my problem
[19:20] <funrep_> i dont want it as collums and rows, i want to the terminal to be able to utilize my whole left-side resolution
[19:20] <funrep_> lest me take a screenshot
[19:21] <brainvvash> funrep_, konsole supports free resizing
[19:23] <funrep_> https://i.imgur.com/Nk5wIH6.png
[19:23] <funrep_> i want the terminal to fill the whole screen, i dont mind that some stuff shows incorrectly inside the terminal
[19:23] <funrep_> just it fills up all the space
[19:24] <knome> funrep_, most terminals will not show half rows, so if there isn't space for another full one, they'll just not expand over that
[19:25] <funrep_> well, in dwm you can disable resize-hints to overcome this issue, can you do that with xfce's wm?
[19:25] <eikon81g> Back.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10505286/
[19:25] <eikon81g> Thats my boot folder ^
[19:26] <brainvvash> funrep_, yes, you'll have to change the source code
[19:26] <funrep_> so there's no settings?
[19:26] <brainvvash> does not look like there is one
[19:26] <eikon81g> so I can do this sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.16.0-30-generic
[19:26] <eikon81g> correct?
[19:26] <funrep_> is there an easy way to use same wm as ubuntu (unity) in xfce?
[19:28] <eikon81g> Ok I am removing the .30 kernal because I used uname -r to confirm I am now on .31
[19:28]  * eikon81g learns a little bit at a time
[19:28] <eikon81g> LOL
[19:31] <eikon81g> thanks so much to everyone who chipped in especially daftykins! I will continue along and WHEN I get stuck again I'll be back, have a great week everyone!
[22:11] <bynarie> hi guys
[22:12] <klopsi-u3> hi bynarie
[22:12] <xubuntu754> i have a question
[22:12] <xubuntu754> does 14.04.2 comes with xfce 14.12?
[22:13] <xubuntu754> or should I update xfce after i install?
[22:13] <knome> xubuntu754, no, it doesn't
[22:13] <xubuntu754> manual update?
[22:14] <knome> you can update manually if you insist, but that will not be supported
[22:15] <xubuntu754> should I encounter any incompatibillities?
[22:15] <knome> that's always possible
[22:15] <xangua> You could just wait for 15.04
[22:15] <holstein> you can.. since, its not supported..
[22:15] <holstein> !ppa
[22:16] <holstein> could work *great*.. you'll just have to try it and see..
[22:16] <knome> holstein, not sure if there is a complete 4.12 ppa yet
[22:16] <knome> but then again, i haven't looked after saturday (the release...)
[22:16] <xubuntu754> will give it a try
[22:16] <holstein> knome: i thought i found one the other day.. but, i surely havent tried one "first-hand"
[22:17] <xubuntu754> thanks, and have a good night
[22:17] <xangua> You waited 2 years, you can wait another two months
[22:17] <knome> holstein, well there has been this "4.12" PPA for ages already
[22:17] <knome> but it has basically been 4.11 versions
[22:18] <knome> and still seems to be
[22:18] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.12
[22:18] <holstein> knome: that could be the one i saw, for sure..
[22:18] <knome> for trusty at least
[22:18] <knome> utopic seems to have 4.12 versions too
[22:19] <xangua> It has 4.11, not 4.12
[22:19] <knome> the utopic versions seem to be more or less 4.12 (uploaded today)
[22:19] <knome> the trusty ones are 4.11
[22:20] <xangua> Oh you mean the PPA
[22:20] <knome> what else would i mean if i link to the PPA? :)