/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/03/#kubuntu-devel.txt

Riddellvalorie: was the problem you had with next and next-backports just the kf5 update problem?00:34
sgclarkRiddell: yeah sorry still having issues with my mail server and couldn't respond. I have to focus on my web server atm sorry :(01:32
VolUTFanI found a menu bug in vivid with KDE Partition Manager trying to open.  Running cmd ubuntu-bug partitionmanager doesn't give me an option to add notes.  When you open the app from the menu, gives you an error, from terminal no problems.02:11
VolUTFanim not sure there is an actual problem with the application, but rather with the way it is being called from the kicker menu.  How can I effectivelly report this02:12
ScottKVolUTFan: report the bug using ubuntu-bug and then after the initial report is done, you can add the information. Once you've done so, feel free to ping me.03:08
VolUTFanso far in an hour I have found 5 bugs03:08
VolUTFanwill do03:08
VolUTFanDo I need to throw my hardware profile in the notes?  or with the ubuntu-bug app grab that03:11
VolUTFanScott, I logged the bugs the best I can.03:45
mitya57ScottK: No problem, I will fix & reupload today (but it will be 5.4.1).05:09
valorieRiddell: yes, that day I did a regular update/upgrade05:59
valoriesoee: I'm using konvi in Vivid06:04
valorieright now, in fact06:04
valorieand I've never seen a spike in CPU use06:11
ejathi .. i just upgrade to vivid .. 07:04
ejatafter login to plasma .. 07:04
ejati dont have the application bar/frame 07:04
ejatanything that i can do to reset ? or etc ? 07:05
valoriesupport is in #ubuntu+1 ejat07:07
valorieor #plasma07:07
ejatokie thanks valorie 07:07
ejati cant see kwin_x11 package07:23
ejatowh my bad .. kwin :) 07:24
valoriethat is bad07:34
lordievaderGood morning.08:05
sitter_Riddell: ping10:21
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Riddellhi sitter 10:43
sitterRiddell: yo. libkdegames and libkmahjongg in apps 15.04 will be kf5 based we will still have dependees on kdelibs4 though ... so question is should the new source be renamed or the old?10:44
sitteri.e. libkdegames-kf5 or libkdegames-kdelibs410:44
sitteralso should I ditch the epoch? there will be no package overlap10:48
Riddellsitter: good question but a gooder question first might be what do we want to do with 15.0410:48
RiddellI assume it's too late for Kubuntu 15.0410:48
Riddellso it'll be for kci and kubuntu 15.10?10:48
sitteryeah10:49
sitterwell, kubuntu 15.10 and backports PPA10:49
Riddellgood point10:50
sitterkci + kubuntu 15.10 + backports PPA xD10:50
Riddellhow about following what happened with konsole4 and kate4 and have a libkdegames4 ?10:51
sitterfine by me10:51
valoriefirst tragedy in vivid: no kpatience!10:51
sitterRiddell: what to do with kdegames-card-data ... kdegames-card-data-kf5?10:51
valorieso i had to work instead of wasting time10:52
sitterfun story: that data package had a more reasonable albeit unreadable name earlier ;)10:52
Riddellsitter: the same pattern would be to treat the old one as the recovered one and have kdegames-card-data410:53
Riddelland the new one as the new norm and have kdegames-card-data10:53
sitteralso on a related note ... the naming scheme qml-module-foo is going to cause major headaches when qt6 comes along10:53
Riddellqml is a naming headache in itself10:54
sitterRiddell: for kdegames renaming the old data means a lot of adjustment though10:54
sitteralso it means I need to CI the old libkdegames which is the bigger tragedy here xD10:54
Riddellok do whatever is easiest then :)10:55
sitterpft :P10:55
Riddellbut it's nice to avoid having to rename sources compared to upstream is my thinking and we'll have the new kf5 sources around for more than the old kdelibs410:57
sitterRiddell: I entirely agree as far as sources are concerned. for binaries that provide shared stuff it's generally meh though as with kdegames-card-data. those should probably grow a version11:01
sitterotherwise we have to do the same crap for kf6, also that's the problem with the qml-module stuff11:02
sitteroh11:05
sittermitya57: please add the kde-buildsystem group to the lconvert review11:06
sitterand sorry, I didn't realize that group wasn't on the review previously11:08
mitya57Ok.11:09
sitterRiddell: then again about the data package ... the only reason the new version isn't a drop-in replacement for the old data package is because the paths are different so that might very well not be a problem for kf611:12
* sitter very torn now11:12
sitterRiddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/libkdegames.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=d494c1c2cb4a90218f6a58b740874a607a5fb8bb11:20
Riddellsitter: looks good11:29
Riddellhoo rah, calligra went in11:49
RiddellI don't know why but every time I touch that package it takes 10 times longer than it should11:49
sgclarkmorning11:56
lordievadero/11:57
sitteractually12:00
sitterRiddell: maybe we should just call it libkf5kdegames-data? kmahjongg has the exact same situation and by simply using the library name we get the versioning bit for free anyway12:01
Riddellsitter: good idea12:10
Riddellhi sgclark!12:10
* Riddell spots bug 142765412:11
ubottubug 1427654 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Vivid) "FFE: switch system init to systemd [not touch] in 15.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142765412:11
sitterzomgzomg12:12
sitterRiddell: btw do you ahve any updates on bluez?12:12
sitterI feel like I should go on a rant12:12
Riddellsitter: nope, still waiting on whatever still needs ported on the unity side, rant at didrocks if you think it'll help12:13
Riddellor work out how to make it co-installable but that probably lots of work12:14
sitterimpossibru12:14
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sitterstack needs pulseaudio built against bluez512:14
Riddellmm12:14
sitterthen again a bluetooth without audio support is better than no bluetooth >.<12:14
soeegood moring12:35
* Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/calligra-2.912:38
soeeRiddell: what about kdetelepathy ?12:38
sittersoee: I think you saw load problems in konversation? ... if so konvi dev says go to interface -> chat window in the config dialog and disable the scroll bar ... see if that helps12:39
sitteralso pass it along in case you know anyone else who has seen the problem12:39
sitteroh and report back to me or #konversation12:40
soeesitter: let me check, 12:41
soeesitter: ekm, that wasn't it. my problem was that konversation icon was always visible in tsk manager, now i right click on the icon and picked to remove that launcher and it is gone 12:46
soeeand i have no idea why this one icon worked liek some separate launcher12:47
Sho_soee: hi - sitter tells me you have various problems with konvi5?12:49
sitterSho_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10514803/ backlog for your convenience12:50
Sho_thanks~12:50
soeeSho_: Kai has more serious issue where konv starts to use 100% CPU i think12:51
Sho_soee: the "why this one icon worked differently" is probably because you're (understandably) confused between the two types of launchers you can have on a plasma panel: task manager launchers (right-click task -> show icon when program is not running) and icons on the panel (which are indepentent of the task manager(12:51
soeeBluesKaj: ^ ami right ?12:51
Sho_soee: as for why the launcher would go: the .desktop file got renamed between the kde 4 and kf5 versions to comply with a new desktop file naming pattern in kde12:52
BluesKajHiyas all12:52
soeeSho_: ok, tanks. One more thing the bug with moving char log directly to home folder is fixed ?12:53
soee*chat logs12:53
Sho_soee: that was a kubuntu bug12:54
ScottKWe're in favor of systemd for this cycle, right?12:54
sitterScottK: yes12:54
Sho_soee: they overrided our default logs location and forgot to keep the override for the kf5 version12:54
Sho_soee: so sitter gotta respond to that one :)12:54
ScottKOK.  FFe to switch has been submitted.12:54
soeeSho_: ok, thanks once again :)12:54
sitterSho_: have you given any thought to changing the storage path upstream btw?12:55
sitterseems to me that we'd only need a kconf_update script that moves $HOME/logs? possibly symlink to new location12:56
sitterScottK: <312:56
BluesKajsoee, yes, just checked, one core of my 2 core cpu remains maxed on certain chats in konversation like #kubuntu. #kubuntu-devel and ##linux12:58
soeeSho_: ^12:58
BluesKajthe others are at a normal 5-10% or so 12:58
Sho_sitter: in the past you did it with a custom konversationrc in the profile13:00
Sho_BluesKaj: please try switching off the scrollbar in Interface -> Chat Window and see if it helps13:01
Sho_sitter: If we had changed the storage path upstream it'd have broken too btw since $KDEHOME fell out of use now13:01
Sho_sitter: So ironically our $HOME/logs was more stable13:01
sitteryou could always have used $HOME/.konversation though13:02
sitterif the directory was called konversation-logs I'd probably be less annoyed by it already (though putting random things in the visible home is meh in general)13:02
Sho_sitter: not the one you guys picked either tho13:02
sitterSho_: yeah, I am not debating the sillyness of our setting override there13:03
BluesKajSho_, no difference13:04
Sho_BluesKaj: do you know how to use perf or gdb?13:04
Sho_sitter: before we can change it we need to write some migration code13:04
BluesKajSho_, they were mentioned before, but I'm not familiar with perf or gdb 13:05
sitterfwiw, you could try to enable the kwin redraw effect to see whether there's obvious business in konversation13:05
Sho_good idea, too13:05
Sho_could you give that a shot BluesKaj?13:06
sitterSho_: regarding the migration code, do you think it would be more than a simple kconf_update that moves the directory to the new location?13:06
BluesKajSho_, so what am I looking at ?13:06
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sitteralt-space -> effects -> search for paint and enable it13:08
sitterthat should make your desktop go all rainbowy13:08
sittermake sure you don't have any videos running as that will rainbow way too much13:08
Sho_sitter: kconf_update is extremely unreliable, i don't think it'd be ok in the wild13:08
sitterthen go into an affected channel and check if the konversation window or parts of it blink excessively13:08
sitterSho_: :O that seems like an odd thing to say considering everyone is using it in production releases ^^13:09
Sho_sitter: yes, and it breaks shit for users all the time13:09
Sho_sitter: the kded module finds and runs new kconf_update scripts at runtime, i.e. when konvi is running while the user installs the new version it'd move the logs and then you'd have unmerged log files in two locations13:09
sitterSho_: simply function called from main() instead perhaps?13:10
Sho_sitter: this is also why quitting an app after updating it can undo settings changes because the app flushes out their config on quit and overwrites anything kconf_update did to the same keys, and few devs think to switch key names because they don't know the problem13:10
sitter*simple13:10
Sho_sitter: thanks to kconf_update kde effectively doesn't support updates at runtime13:10
* sitter did not know kded was involved13:10
Sho_sitter: that's what runs kconf_update scripts13:11
sitterso yeah, to avoid runtime problems we could simply migrate in main()... as I was saying, ideally the migration code would be nothing more than a Dir.move13:11
Sho_sitter: you might think it'd be done in-process by the app, but that would be sane or sth, so it's not how it was done13:11
sitter^^13:12
Sho_sitter: yeah, we'd need to do it like this: add a new kconfigxt key for the new log dir, at startup find out whether the current log dir was ever changed from the kconfigxt default for the old key, if not assume the user never changed their log dir and is eligible for migration, block chatting until that migration has been attempted, throw up an info dialog with progress for the move, and handle write errors13:13
Sho_something like that13:13
sitterSho_: would we need to check the config at all though? if Dir.exist?('~/logs') ...13:15
BluesKajSho_, so what's to be done?13:15
sitterthat of course has the beautiy flaw of potentially moving logs dirs other than konversation's :P13:15
sitterthen again checking configs isn't necessarily helping that13:15
Sho_sitter: we need to check the config to find out if the user ever set a custom log path, and if they have, don't touch it13:16
sittercould be that the user starts konversation for the first time and thus has no custom dir set, but perhaps already has a logs/ dir for some other piece of software he's using13:16
Sho_sitter: there's no point to move dirs if we don't know they're in use, either13:16
sitterSho_: you mean if they set it explicitly to ~/logs?13:16
Sho_BluesKaj: enable the repaint effect and see if you see konvi repainting even if there's nothing new to show13:16
Sho_sitter: no, if they set it explicitly to somewhere other than the default13:17
Sho_sitter: the above approach also has the advantage that it would catch your .kde path too and migrate from it as well13:18
Sho_sitter: since it would attempt to migrate away from any unchanged system default13:18
Riddellsoee: what do you want to hear about kde telepathy?13:19
sitterI think I need to read the backlog again, I am not seeing the advantage13:19
Sho_sitter: we currently have konvis in the wild that use two log dirs that we consider undesirable for different reasons ($HOME/logs because whatever, .kde/... set by kubuntu 'cause outdated), which are specified in the .kcfg shipped with konvi and your system-level konversationrc override, respectively13:20
sitterSho_: ah ah, I think I get it. that's still only marginally more complicated than if Dir.exist ... though, not exactly rocket science that one. I'll try to get you something to review rather than twiddle our old setting override back in place13:21
Sho_sitter: so the idea is that konvi figures out whether the user has ever manually changed the log path or not, and if not, proposes + attempts to move the logs to ~/.koversation-logs or whatever13:21
Sho_sitter: well, it needs user interaction (dialog that asks, kio move progress) and error handling (new location not writable, etc.)13:22
Sho_and it should pop up after the main window does, but before any connections are made13:23
sitterSho_: why would it present a dialog?13:24
BluesKajSho_, there's a constant repaint every half second or so 13:25
sitterthere's no dialog asking the user whether the user wants to use ~/logs, presenting one when changing the default seems rather inconsistent 13:25
BluesKajSho_, on everything13:26
Sho_sitter: because moving logs from the location the user is already used to without informing them is pretty weird13:27
sitterBluesKaj: that's probably from the input field cursor blinking13:27
sitterBluesKaj: try clicking on the log and check if it still repaints13:27
Sho_the input cursor blinking doesn't repaint the entire window on my konvi though13:27
Sho_only the cursor caret13:28
Sho_a half-second interval is pretty slow to be the cpu usage problem though13:28
BluesKajeverything repaints here , dunno what you mean by the cursor blinking , I don't see that here ...it's the whole desktop13:29
sitterSho_: I kind of agree. But in the large scheme of things it kinda drowns in the fact that we moved to completely new directories for configs and whatnot without even informing the user and most apps not actually carying their data out of $KDEHOME as part of the process13:29
sitterSho_: at any rate. rather than annoy the user with a dialog they might not understand I'd simply move and symlink tbh13:29
Sho_sitter: we completely fucked up the kde apps release if you asked me (and still haven't unfucked it)13:29
BluesKajsitter, clicking on which log?13:29
sitterthat way things don't get "lost" to the user13:29
Sho_sitter: i assume you saw https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2015-January/008292.html13:30
sitteryes13:30
sitterBluesKaj: the backlog13:31
BluesKajsitter , nothing13:34
sitterBluesKaj: it still keeps a core busy though, right?13:34
BluesKajsitter, hang on13:35
sittershadeslayer, Riddell: it woudl be very lovely if you could comment on the phonon review I posted yesterday13:35
sitterand maybe poke sune into doing that as well13:35
BluesKajsitter, the core is constant at 100% in this chat, no matter what 13:35
Riddellsitter: where is?13:36
Riddellhttps://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/122777/ ?13:36
sitterBluesKaj, Sho_: right, so the problem isn't repaints13:36
sitterRiddell: yes13:36
BluesKajif I go to offtopic it drops to 3%13:36
sitterfixes debian being annoyed about the fact that you can't have libphonon-dev without libphononexperimental-dev...13:37
Sho_BluesKaj: please install perf, cause the cpu usage and then run perf top -p $(pidof konversation)13:38
Sho_BluesKaj: then let it run for like 30 seconds and pastebin the first page or so of output13:38
sitterpackage linux-tools-generic if I am not mistaken13:38
Riddellsitter: seems sane, my cmake foo isn't strong enough to be able to point out specific issues with it, I can build it and see if it does the right thing if you think that would help13:43
sitterwhatever makes you give it a shipit ;)13:44
Riddellsitter: what changes would need to be done to the cmake files of a project using phonon13:47
sitternone13:49
Riddellsitter: even one that used phonon experimental?13:49
sittercmake files that use phononexperimental technically also don't need changes as long as the code was correct to begin with13:49
sitternothing should break by the way the change was made. it really is just a half-assed optionalism to make debian happy13:50
sittera build that previously failed without experimental becuase it requires experimental will continue to fail. a build that previously succeeeded because it didn't use experimental anyway will continue to succeed. a build that previously succeeded and is using experimental will continue to do so *as long as the experimental dev package and lib are installed* (which was a prequesite to it suceeding anyway)13:53
BluesKajSho_, there's no perf available for the linux 3.19 kerenel , apt suggests installing linux-tools-3.19.0-7-generic but the repos connection failed, it stalled at the header for a period of time then went back to the prompt 13:54
* sitter done packaging the apps15.04 repos he is aware of >.<13:54
sitterBluesKaj: [14:38] <sitter> package linux-tools-generic if I am not mistaken13:54
sitterthe unversioned packages will pull in the latest version ensuring you have a matching lineup of kernel and kernel tools13:55
BluesKajsitter yes that command fails, apt suggests to install the linux-tools-3.19.0-7-generic pkg , but that's what fails13:56
BluesKajas well13:56
sitteruse archive.ubuntu.com as repo13:56
BluesKajI'll try 13:56
BluesKajsitter, getting a hash sum mismatch with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/universe/source/Sources , both 64 and 32 bit 14:05
sittertry again in 5 minutes14:07
sitteror simply disable sources :P14:07
BluesKajhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/universe/source/Sources 14:07
BluesKajSho_,  I have perf top -p $(pidof konversation) running in th eterminal , but how to freeze it to save the text ?14:35
BluesKajprint to perf.hist.N in the help dialog doesn't do anything, no such file14:36
Sho_BluesKaj: I'd say just select quickly and middle-click in kate to paste14:39
BluesKajSho_, I managed to save some to a textfile http://pastebin.com/psBP8TX114:42
Riddellhi manchicken 14:47
Riddelldid you ever get a chance to look at muon manchicken?14:47
BluesKajone can use the scrollback-save as option to a text file 14:48
BluesKajin perf14:48
sitteroxygen, I blame oxygen14:48
sitterBluesKaj: which window decoration do you use?14:48
sitterSho_: I feel likeI should mention now that changing the widget style crashes konvi without drkonqi coming up :|14:50
Sho_sitter: reproducably? if so: gdb14:51
sitterwip14:51
soeewould it be possible to show custom backgraund image for sddm in the theme details image http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/03/worksace12.png ?14:51
soeeor maybe also on the items list 14:52
Sho_BluesKaj: lots of Oxygen widget style stuff in the perf output ... interesting, because I use Breeze and maybe that explains why I don't see CPU usage14:52
BluesKajsitter, using breeze atm14:52
soeeRiddell: the current version is not using kf5 or am i wrong (@ kde-telepathy)14:53
Riddellsoee: no it's not and we won't get a release in time for kubuntu 15.0414:54
Riddellbut maybe we should ask for a release of the applet or something14:54
sitterhm, ubuntu archive doesn't like me today14:54
sitterSho_: reproducible http://paste.ubuntu.com/10515900/14:54
* soee hugs sitter14:54
sittercan't get symbols right now, though from the looks of it symbols wouldn't help much anyway14:55
Sho_sitter: not a konvi fuckup at least by the looks of it14:55
soeeRiddell: and the applet can get into Vivid ?14:55
sitteryeah it must have to do with something konvi does though14:55
sitterno other app blows up14:55
BluesKajshadeslayer, switched the widget style to breeze anf that  crashed konversation , but didn't change the cpu load , still the same14:55
sitterSho_: it's also interesting that drkonqi doesn't come up14:55
sitterall very peculiar14:55
BluesKajoops Sho_ ^14:56
sitterI think I can give up on debugignt this today I am having 56k speeds to archive.ubuntu xD14:56
BluesKajsitter, same here ...very slow 14:57
soeesomeone know if ther eis any proggress with https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40207 ?14:58
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beluga_Plasma 5.2 & LibreOffice testers wanted: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89537 Color picker and highlight dropdown button does not work very well on KDE Plasma 518:00
ubottubugs.documentfoundation.org bug 89537 in Writer "Color picker and highlight dropdown button does not work very well on KDE Plasma 5" [Normal,Unconfirmed]18:00
KDDAare there any guides about packaging for Kubuntu?18:04
soeeKDE Ships KDE Applications 14.12.318:11
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mparilloKDDA: When I was trying (and failing) to package rekonq, here are my notes. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10519556/ During the European day time, you will find lots of people willing to help you learn packaging.21:10
KDDAmparillo: thanks21:11
mparilloKDDA: I would be happy to create a guide, but I never got it to work (mostly because of my keys), and I think publishing and improving it would be better than Riddell hand-holding newbies like me.21:14
yofelKDDA: in general, there's the ubuntu packaging guide (but ignore the bzr specific UDD stuff), and the debian new maintainers guide (which is a bit old and doesn't mention a VCS, but still a nice intro)21:22
yofelother than that, learning by doing is usually the way21:22
KDDAnot sure where to start!21:25
KDDAId like to see tilemill packaged for vivid21:26
alketfix dolphin pls21:27
KDDAdolphin is working ok for me21:28
KDDAwhats your problem with it?21:28
yofelalket: like I said, we would first need a hint to what's wrong...21:28
alkethow can I help21:29
alketI can crash dolphin easy hehe21:29
KDDAhow do you crash it?21:29
alketI can give you KRDC access if you want21:30
KDDArun it via a terminal and get the error messages21:30
alketKDDA: open a file with kate, work on in let say , 10 min, then go to dolphin and click on side panel21:31
alketalso Konversation saves logso n home directories21:31
alket~/logs21:31
yofelwhich side panel? Information?21:32
KDDAI open files in Kate all the time :/21:32
yofelalket: sitter and Sho were talking about fixing the log dir today21:32
alketthank yofel21:35
alketas soon as dolphin crashes (can't get it to crash right now)21:35
alketill send report21:35
yofelthanks21:36
alketalso wx looks unusable21:37
alkettry filezilla21:37
yofelWTH21:38
alket?21:38
yofelwell, I see what you mean o.O21:38
alketbackspace and some keys don't work21:39
alketalso is there a channel support for kftpgrabber21:39
yofelbackspace works here, but I do remember it not working once a while ago21:40
yofelfor me the UI just looks... misligned21:40
alketI have wxwidgets 3.0.221:41
yofelsame21:41
alketand Kernel 3.8.x21:41
alket3.9 gives me black screen21:42
yofelhm.. what's my gtk3 theme...21:42
alket3.1821:42
yofelOrion21:42
KDDAblack screen where?21:44
KDDAcan you log in?21:44
alketKDDA: no, but I use xorg, so i dont blame it, but wanted to note maybe that could be the cause of wxwidget missbehaviour21:45
alketxorg = xorg edgers PPA21:45
KDDAwhen I was tryig to upgrade I kept getting a black screen and white mouse pointer, nothing else21:46
KDDAfresh install worked, but when I copied my home folder over it died again21:46
yofelalket: plain vivid with nvidia here and filezilla looks like this: https://yofel.dyndns.org/owncloud/index.php/s/iSgCrHe9PGnNlT621:50
alketyour SSL is expired21:50
alketlol, but your theme looks good though21:51
yofelis it? It's self signed..21:51
KDDAI cant access it :/21:52
alketyes me too, but it needs to add exception21:52
KDDAoh wait, its just slow21:52
alketits from home connection i think21:53
yofelyup ^^21:53
KDDAsee it now21:54
KDDAhow do you get it to do that?21:54
yofelto do what?21:55
alketyou need to config router21:55
alketI have public ip though, but slow upload21:55
KDDAthe swadow21:55
yofelI'm confused, do you mean the tooltip?21:56
* alket common dolphin, crash21:57
KDDAthe screen shot21:57
KDDAhow do you make filezilla do it21:57
yofelnot filezilla, that was ksnapshot (using rectangular region with a 1s delay to catch the tooltip)21:58
KDDAoh, misunderstood you21:58
KDDAI been using filezilla a lot today and didnt see anything like that!21:58
yofelif you hover over the "Host:" input field with your mouse it'll show a popup telling you what's valid in there21:59
yofelfor some reason Orion renders that with white text -.-21:59
yofels/popup/tooltip/22:00
kubotuyofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"22:00
alketkonversation also doesn't order nick list based on ranks, but just ASC22:08
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alketyofel: dolphin doesn't save the "Add to places"23:05
alketyofel: dolphin crash: https://paste.kde.org/pzwyxxjws23:20
KDDAlooks like issue with X23:21
valorieodd error message today in updates to Vivid beta: https://paste.kde.org/pjrqqsczr23:24
valoriethey were successful, but Setting up apparmor failed23:24
valoriedunno whether that is worth a bug report however23:39

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