[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[16:03] <popey> \o/
[16:04] <balloons> \o/ \o/
[16:05] <Guest73780> hello
[16:06] <ubuntunator> hello to you
[16:06] <mhall119> balloons: popey: also Dell selling Ubuntu computers in Latin America
[16:06] <mhall119> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/03/02/dell-launches-ubuntu-loaded-machines-across-500-stores-in-latin-america/
[16:07] <balloons> feel free to ask any questions you may have here :-)
[16:08] <popey> mhall119: audio for us okay?
[16:10] <aquarius> QUESTION: I really don't think I understand how the frameworks and version numbers work. Like, my Bq phone is, I think, 14.10? But it also has a release number (r19)? So, if something doesn't work in that because of a bug, and that bug is marked as fixed in Launchpad, how can I know if the bug fix has arrived on my phone and on others' phones so I can release an app which needs the bug fix? It is terribly confusi
[16:10] <aquarius> ng!
[16:10] <dragon77> my laptop also still has 1366*768
[16:10] <mhall119> popey: audio sounds fine
[16:10] <dragon77> [question]:When can we expect first Ubuntu tablets?
[16:11] <dragon77> QUESTION:When can we expect first Ubuntu tablets?
[16:12] <aquarius> QUESTION: I am sorely tempted to buy a Pebble Time watch, but there's no Ubuntu app for it (just iOS and Android). I can build phone apps with their cloud IDE from Ubuntu, but can't actually pair the watch, and the protocol is not open. Is anyone in Canonical's commercial apps team talking to Pebble?
[16:12] <ubuntunator> This is a stupid question, but I cannot figure out how to move an email in Dekko (on a Nexus 7) from the inbox to another folder.  Where is the move option?  Thanks in advance.
[16:13] <mhall119> popey: balloons: You should also mention the new porting guide and OPO & LG Optimus G ports that came up this past week
[16:13] <mhall119> ubuntunator: start it with QUESTION
[16:14] <aquarius> mhall119, also a OnePlus One port, wasn't there? Or is that not done yet? Thought I saw something on g+ about that :)
[16:14] <balloons> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[16:14] <mhall119> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[16:14] <mhall119> dang it, balloons won
[16:14] <ahayzen> QUESTION: balloons, is there a larger focus on QML tests over AP tests this time around ?
[16:14] <aquarius> also also, Bill's mad convergence demo, although I worry that too many people are "woo now I can run windowed libreoffice on my phone" which is not really the point :)
[16:14] <mhall119> aquarius: OPO == OnePlus One
[16:15] <mhall119> not Oppo (though there was a Find 5 port a year ago)
[16:15] <aquarius> mhall119, ha! I didn't see that. Am going blind in my old age ;)
[16:16] <mhall119> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3PUYoa1c9M is the awesome convergence demo aquarius was talking about
[16:17] <mhall119> aquarius: so frameworks define APIs, they're just a guarantee that certain interfaces are available. Whether or not those interfaces have bugs is independent of framework
[16:18] <balloons> changelogs can be found : http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/
[16:18] <mhall119> framework versions only change when APIs change
[16:19] <aquarius> mhall119, this is my point, though. My phone says "14.10 (r19)". If a bug gets fixed today, when will that fix arrive on the phone? When it does, will my phone say "15.04"? I understand how this stuff works with Ubuntu desktop's time-based releases, but Ubuntu phone releases new versions all the time!
[16:19] <aquarius> this is what popey is explaining
[16:19] <balloons> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[16:19] <aquarius> it is, I have to say, a bit stupid.
[16:19] <mhall119> aquarius: no, your phone won't say 15.04 until you get vivid-based images, currently Bq phones get utopic-based images
[16:19] <aquarius> Can't launchpad say "fixed in phone: 14.10 (r19)"
[16:20] <aquarius> mhall119, so, if a bug is fixed today in launchpad, it will never arrive on my phone until my phone it switched to vivid-based images?
[16:20] <mhall119> no, fixes often land in, or get backported to, the utopic-based RTM series
[16:21] <aquarius> mhall119, right. So, it seems to me that an obvious thing is to say on that bug in launchpad which phone build it was fixed in, perhaps?
[16:21] <mhall119> aquarius: that would be best, yeah
[16:22] <aquarius> mhall119, yeah. At the moment I have no idea whether a fix which lands in LP today will arrive on a consumer Ubuntu phone this week or six months from now ;)
[16:22] <gmb_> QUESTION: Do you know what the face button does on the Meizu device?
[16:23] <mhall119> gmb_: nothing, at the moment :) But that should change
[16:23] <dpm> aquarius, yeah, but right now there is no link between LP bugs and image builds, it's still tied to source packages (this is not an excuse, just stating the fact)
[16:23] <aquarius> have just favourited Cimi's tweet ;)
[16:23] <aquarius> dpm, ya. What I am saying is: there should be such a link ;-)
[16:23] <dpm> aquarius, however, you can actually get the info from a LP milestone
[16:23] <ubuntunator> mhall119, I know I am supposed to put 'question' before, but I was hoping to get a backchannel answer and not have a permanent youtube video exposing my stupidity.  :-)
[16:24] <mhall119> aquarius: https://launchpad.net/launchpad ;)
[16:24]  * aquarius grins
[16:25] <aquarius> I am right in thinking that this information *exists*, conceptually, right? I mean, something somewhere knows whether an LP bug is fixed in a given source package, and something else somewhere knows which source packages are in a given phone release, I think?
[16:25] <dragon77> QUESTION:When will the touch application store get its website,something like play.google.com?
[16:26] <aquarius> Also, comment from Brian Leroux (head of the phonegap project) on twitter from MWC, saying "The [Ubuntu] Meizu [phone] is f***ing sweet". :-)
[16:26] <dpm> yay! :-)
[16:26] <dpm> nice
[16:26] <aquarius> dragon77, you know about https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/ right? That is unofficial, of course.
[16:27] <dpm> aquarius, re: bugs/builds indeed, but I think the image builders are not tied to LP in that way yet. wgrant or ogra could tell us more, though. As a workaround for now, though, you can find this info clicking on the milestones on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/
[16:27] <dpm> which tell you which bugs are fixed for each ota
[16:27] <dragon77> aquarius didn't know about that
[16:28] <dpm> aquarius, btw, one of the bugs you were telling me about re: text prediction (words with apostrophe not being corrected) got fixed already
[16:29] <dpm> actually, the milestone links don't seem to contain all the bugs...
[16:30] <aquarius> dpm, yeah, I noticed the apostrophe thing has improved in the latest update to my phone, hooray :)
[16:31] <dragon77> My last QUESTION:Will Ubuntu ever include some kind of augmented reality support?
[16:32] <ahayzen> autopilot \o/
[16:32] <aquarius> autopilot /o\
[16:32] <aquarius> :-)
[16:32] <balloons> :p
[16:32] <ahayzen> hah is there a mirror between our posts ;)
[16:33]  * ahayzen remembers he still needs to start the AP tests for the weather reboot
[16:33] <dragon77> ok,thx for your answers!
[16:34] <aquarius> QUESTION: the twitter web app on the phone sends notifications when I get a tweet, as does telegram. Do you know how this miracle is achieved? Are those apps allowed to poll in the background, or is there a server somewhere which now has my credentials on and polls twitter/telegram and sends push notifications to my phone?
[16:34] <gmb_> QUESTION: What feedback have you had about the Meizu phone?
[16:34] <theBest> QUESTION: Do you guys have any plans to implement somithing similar to Siri or Cortana on Ubuntu?
[16:35] <aquarius> I know how t use push notifications :)
[16:35] <popey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/
[16:35] <popey> beat the bot!
[16:35] <mhall119> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/search/?q=push
[16:35] <aquarius> the question is: is the twitter webapp *using* them?
[16:36] <aquarius> if it is, then there must be a server somewhere which knows about my twitter credentials, which seems iffy. If it *isn't*, then how does the twitter webapp give me notifications while it isn't running? It should be suspended.
[16:37] <mhall119> aquarius: oh, no, it's not
[16:37] <mhall119> so because the service owner needs to talk to our servers, and we're too small yet for twitter to care about, we've created a temporary solution that runs on the phone and polls for updates
[16:37] <mhall119> it does this for twitter, facebook and gmail, currently
[16:38] <mhall119> Telegram, however, properly talks to our push server, which works perfectly
[16:38] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Is there any news/eta for the today/nearby scopes etc landing on Nexus devices? or any reason why they cannot be in the images?
[16:38] <dpm> ahayzen, I'm not on the hangout, but I can say something about that one,
[16:39] <balloons> go for it dpm :-)
[16:39] <dpm> we're looking at open-sourcing some of these scopes
[16:39] <dpm> going forward, there will always be some scopes that will be manufacturer-specific
[16:39] <ubuntunator> QUESTION This is a stupid question and I asked it earlier, but I just connected to the live feed so I don't know if it has been answered, but I cannot figure out how to move an email in Dekko (on a Nexus 7) from the inbox to another folder.  Where is the move option?  Thanks in advance and sorry if already been answered.
[16:39] <daker> aquarius: it's account-polld daemon
[16:40] <dpm> to help with differentiation
[16:40] <aquarius> mhall119, huh! so you have a sneaky background process that I'm not allowed to do! bah humbug ;-)
[16:40] <dpm> ... without fragmentation (sorry, couldn't resist)
[16:40] <dpm> :)
[16:40] <mhall119> aquarius: yes, we don't want to use it either, but we can't fix twitter and facebook for them
[16:41] <mhall119> aquarius: if you have your own service, then use our push notifications
[16:41] <aquarius> mhall119, ya. I understand the reasoning :)
[16:41] <dpm> ahayzen, currently there hasn't been much activity on open-sourcing the scopes, simply because of all the other work ramping up to MWC
[16:41] <daker> aquarius: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-push-hackers/account-polld/trunk/files/head:/plugins/
[16:41] <ahayzen> tbh i can't see any reason for the aggregator itself not being in the image...but i would understand if the sub scopes cannot be put in due to business agreements/commercial reasons
[16:41] <dpm> ahayzen, expect to see some updates after MWC :)
[16:41] <aquarius> mhall119, I was wondering if you sent my twitter credentials up to a server somewhere and polled there and then send pushes. I'd be OK with that, but it ought to be talked about. However, it's not the case, so OK :)
[16:42] <mhall119> aquarius: yeah, that was discussed, but we really don't want to get user credentials to 3rd party services
[16:42] <ahayzen> popey, balloons, dpm thanks for your answers :) gotta run o/
[16:42] <mhall119> so this was the least-bad solution for the moment
[16:42] <dpm> cheers ahayzen o/
[16:42] <aquarius> mhall119, ya. As I say, I'd be OK with it, but the fixubuntu crowd probably wouldn't :P
[16:43] <mhall119> aquarius: they're probably going to hate us now just because you mentioned it
[16:43] <mhall119> :)
[16:43]  * aquarius laughs
[16:43] <aquarius> there is always that possibility :)
[16:43] <mhall119> thanks popey, thanks balloons
[16:43] <aquarius> cheers popey and balloons!
[16:43] <popey> thanks everyone
[16:43] <balloons> thanks everyone!
[16:44] <ubuntunator> Thanks for the answer
[16:45] <theBest> till next week. cy
[17:51] <nik90> popey: damn...I missed the opportunity to come and ask why your cat is camera shy :P
[17:53] <popey> nik90: hehe
[18:15] <Nothing_Much> doh i missed
[18:15] <Nothing_Much> this one was only 40 minutes?