[00:02] <DonkeyHotei> rsalveti: if you're still here, ChickenCutlass focused on 3 areas: bluez, gstreamer, and ofono. i'd like to try to track down the hammerhead bluez issues in anticipation
[00:03] <mariogrip> will qcom cne work with ubuntu touch?
[00:11] <Flexman> hi!
[00:12] <Flexman> say can i run ubuntu-touch from an usb-stick on a x86 device?
[00:13] <mariogrip> ubuntu-touch is for armhf devices
[00:13] <Flexman> mariogrip: and this? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[00:13] <Flexman> says there is a x86 version
[00:14] <mariogrip> That's for an emulator, i don't know if you can run it from a usb
[00:14] <mariogrip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[00:18] <Flexman> oh interesting. that means i could use a normal ubuntu on usb where i run this in the emulator :-D
[00:19] <mariogrip> :D
[00:21] <DonkeyHotei> i'm guessing rsalveti is gone for the day
[00:22] <Flexman> hmm. well i rather wait :)
[00:40] <ogra_> Flexman, try the ubuntu desktop-next builds
[00:41] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[00:43] <DonkeyHotei> ogra_: what would you recommend as a starting point for getting into the guts to see what can be done about bluetooth support on hammerhead?
[00:43] <ogra_> get a hammerhead :)
[00:43] <DonkeyHotei> i would
[00:43] <DonkeyHotei> but i mean after that
[00:45] <ogra_> well, i'd take a deep look at how BT works in android and check if anyone porting i.e. to cyanogen had issues before ... and check for these
[00:46] <ogra_> most of the time that gives you low hanging fruit to look at ... and often the fixes you find there are enough ... if they arent you need to dig into both systems ... ubuntu and the container
[00:47] <ogra_> oh, and for BT i would also pick cyphermox' brain indeed :)
[00:51] <Flexman> ogra_: ok thank you
[01:22] <DonkeyHotei> ogra_: thanx
[01:56] <cyphermox> ogra_: oy
[01:58] <cyphermox> DonkeyHotei: you definitely want to look at hammerhead's init rc files, they might have something about doing the initial setup for BT
[02:00] <cyphermox> so, looks like it runs bdAddrLoader, but then there isn't much else
[02:01] <cyphermox> however, it's also coming up with this UART file /sys/devices/platform/msm_serial_hs.0
[02:03] <DonkeyHotei> cyphermox: there was a commit to cm that replaced that uart file in the init rc and that was credited with fixing it in cm
[02:03] <cyphermox> yeah on first glance it looks like it might be some brcm-patchram device; which means you don't get any data from android since they use bdroid and that does it for them
[02:04] <cyphermox> DonkeyHotei: where do you see that commit?
[02:04] <DonkeyHotei> cyphermox: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_lge_hammerhead/commit/b71ea8fbb0735c98e235a3b2cf35c01c000e4bb6
[02:04] <cyphermox> yuck
[02:05] <DonkeyHotei> ikr
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> but nightlies after that apparently worked
[02:06] <cyphermox> yeah
[02:06] <cyphermox> but as I said, cm and android use bdroid, we use bluez
[02:07] <cyphermox> so some parts, especially in the initialization of the device, are different
[02:07] <cyphermox> now, you could probably play with hybris and make it work
[02:07] <cyphermox> assuming there is some kind of libhybris method to enable bluetooth, but I don't remember seeing one
[02:08] <DonkeyHotei> since i don't have a hammerhead to test, i'm just reading. if rsalveti says he'd like to see me work on this, i'll get a hammerhead, but in the meantime, nhaines has one
[02:08] <cyphermox> but first, I'd look at the output of rfkill list, see if it shows a bluetooth device
[02:08] <cyphermox> ah, ok
[02:08] <cyphermox> I have one too, just not really willing to reflash it, there are some apps I do use and need ;)
[02:08] <DonkeyHotei> backup/restore
[02:09] <cyphermox> I really think it might be a matter of building brcm-patchram-plus and trying to flash the right firmware file on the right device on the system
[02:09] <DonkeyHotei> problem with me getting a hammerhead would be it takes a microsim, so i can't just swap between it and my outgoing phone at will
[02:10] <cyphermox> the "right file" would probably be /system/vendor/firmware/bcm4335c0.hcd
[02:10] <cyphermox> right, I know the problem :)
[02:10] <cyphermox> but the right device is another matter
[02:11] <cyphermox> there might be an easier way though, it could simply be some bit to toggle in a file under /sys to make it all work
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> dholbach: morning mate
[07:35] <dholbach> hi lotuspsychje
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: morning mate
[08:57] <uuhimhere> https://sailpi.wordpress.com
[09:10] <ogra_> uuhimhere, where is the source (specifically for the android bits and changes that were needed for this)
[09:11] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, mornin
[10:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy "What If Cats and Dogs Had Opposable Thumbs?" Day! :-D
[10:06] <jockey> Hi all! Can somebody give information about when will the bq phones delivery?
[10:07] <ogra_> you have to ask bq ...
[10:08] <jockey> I just saw their tweet on Twitter, they don't know (or tell) the exact date, and I think there is somebody here, who knows more, maybe some inner infos
[10:09] <ogra_> we dont know more either
[10:11] <jockey> thanks, but this is a little bit disappointing. They said they'll delivery at March, and now they don't tell us what's up with our device...
[10:12] <ogra_> dude ... its the third day of march ... be a little patient :)
[10:18] <jockey> I know, but i can't wait :) I ordered it about a month ago :)
[10:18] <jockey> in the first flash sale
[10:19] <popey> it's chinese new year, factories shut down for a chunk of february
[10:27] <jockey> yes, I know that, but why was the first flash sale started in the middle of February? If it is organized in the beginning of march, it would be better
[11:33] <tsdgeos> any idea why we still have hud in the image?
[11:33] <tsdgeos> it seems to pull some big M of deps
[11:33] <tsdgeos> without real use, no?
[11:38] <pitti> ogra_: I see that we currently install vivid's ubuntu-minimal on touch; could we fork that to ubuntu-minimal-touch in lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid to keep upstart for touch, and change ubuntu.vivid to systemd-sysv?
[11:40] <ogra_> pitti, i guess that would be possible ... but quite late in the cycle
[11:42] <ogra_> *but it is
[11:42] <pitti> ogra_: yeah, I  know; I talked to slangasek last week, and it seems we still aim for switching the default
[11:43] <ogra_> on the phone ?
[11:43] <pitti> ogra_: no, on desktop/server/cloud
[11:43] <ogra_> ah, k
[11:44] <pitti> ogra_: we can't switch the phone yet (old kernels/unported jobs/etc.)
[11:44] <ogra_> right
[11:44] <ogra_> i thought the jobs part was done
[11:44] <pitti> hence we need to decouple the init selection for touch and !touch
[11:44] <ogra_> for the system jobs
[11:44] <pitti> ogra_: no, there is still some work to do there
[11:44] <ogra_> (kernels are obviously a blocker :) )
[11:44] <ogra_> right, then go for it
[12:22] <rudi__> hello guys :)
[12:23] <rudi__> i have a problem to flash my nexus 4 device and install ubuntu. i did it now 3 times, reinstalled android(cause i messed up once really hard) and did it again
[12:23] <rudi__> i always get the error Cannot push /home/jonas/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-7478e46d9d139692da02b70734144166932a180717994367c85337a2e49d29ac.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is unknown
[12:24] <rudi__> at the end. after there is the ubuntu menu showing up where it says reboot system.
[12:24] <rudi__> can anyone help me with that issue? :)
[12:29] <wardster> cir
[12:29] <wardster> Irc  works on phone anyway :)
[12:30] <rudi__> i dont get it :D
[12:32] <rudi__> and how long does the flash procedure take? i read "some time" and what is it in minutes? the android install was really fast.
[12:38] <ogra_> rudi__, it pushes a few 100 MB across the USB write and then unpacks them ... a few minutes ...
[12:38] <ogra_> *wire
[12:39] <rudi__> ok.
[12:40] <rudi__> what can i do if it needs an hour?
[12:40] <rudi__> only "downloading..." on the screen of nexus, nothing more
[12:46] <Lihis> Am I right that the "make recoveryimage" produces a working Ubuntu branded recovery?
[12:54] <rudi__> ok it worked right now :)
[12:54] <rudi__> *HAPPY
[12:54] <rudi__> *
[14:23] <g105b> How would I approach building a call-recording app?
[14:26] <ogra_> g105b, first of all you would have to bribe jdstrand and his team to get mic access for click packages ready ... second ... you will most likely not be allowed to record anything from another app
[14:27] <mzanetti> mterry, https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-laggy-launcher-dnd/+merge/251567
[14:33] <g105b> ogra_: bah.
[14:33] <ogra_> apps can only talk to other apps via system services
[14:34] <ogra_> never directly
[14:34] <g105b> ogra_: is it possible to develop a call _making_ app, assuming mic access is made available?
[14:34] <ogra_> i think you would be better off working with the dialer-app team and providing them patches for call recordingg in there ;)
[14:35] <g105b> ogra_: there we go, I see. Will have a look, thanks.
[14:35] <ogra_> you want to talk to bfiller's team
[14:35] <ogra_> (whom i pinged herewith :) )
[14:36] <bfiller> g105b: that functionality is not exposed in our SDK currently
[14:36] <g105b> bfiller: early days yet though, eh?
[14:37] <ogra_> bfiller, but you surely wouldnt mind a record button in the dialer app, would you (assuming desin team agrees)
[14:37] <ogra_> *design
[14:38] <bfiller> ogra_: I haven't seen that in the plans at all, but would be cool I suppose. as long as the caller is alerted they are being recordeed
[14:38] <ogra_> you mean the opposite side ?
[14:38] <bfiller> yes
[14:39] <ogra_> uh, is that possible ?
[14:39] <g105b> ogra_: bfiller: coming from Android, I am looking to develop a setting to record calls and ask "Do you want to save this recording" once the call is complete.
[14:39] <bfiller> ogra_: I mean, you can't legally record a phone converstation without informing the other side
[14:39] <g105b> Where can I get more information on the development process?
[14:39] <bfiller> at least not in the US
[14:39] <ogra_> interesting
[14:40] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure i had an android phone in the past that had a record button in the dialer
[14:40] <popey> you live in enlightened europe :)
[14:40] <ogra_> lol
[14:40] <bfiller> ogra_: I could be wrong, I think minimally it might have to play a beep tone every 15 seconds or so to alert the person it's being recorded
[14:41] <popey> and it differs per state too
[14:41] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#United_States covers it nicely
[14:41] <bfiller> g105b: how bout a simple audio recorder application? I would find that super useful
[14:41] <popey> yeah, me too
[14:41] <ogra_> bfiller, still needs mic access for clicks
[14:42] <ogra_> we dont have the trusted service for that yet
[14:42] <popey> thats way less hard than recording calls though
[14:42] <kenvandine> we don't have a policy for that yet?
[14:42] <popey> and a useful app which could drive the security people
[14:42] <g105b> bfiller: I would find that useful too but would it be able to record both sides of the call?
[14:42] <ogra_> i dont think we do
[14:42] <kenvandine> oh right... that would be the trust store
[14:42] <popey> i would rather we push decisions like this with apps, its what drove some of the platform already
[14:42] <ogra_> kenvandine, policy would be "ask the user" ... which needs trusted-prompt integration
[14:42] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:42] <kenvandine> actually i think we do
[14:43] <kenvandine> at least the stub when that was first implemented included camera and mic access
[14:43] <kenvandine> the dummy data :)
[14:43] <ogra_> we have a fake entry for it in settings :)
[14:43] <kenvandine> so i think it was at least planned for
[14:43] <ogra_> yes
[14:43] <ogra_> planned ... not implemented yet i think
[14:45] <g105b> For rapid Android and iOS prototype apps, we use Chrome Web Apps (cca), is there something like this for ubuntu-touch? (a platform for 'hybrid' web apps to access hardware with permissions)
[15:20] <kenvandine> tedg, good progress on my mir-connection-demangler, but now apparmor is getting in the way
[15:20] <kenvandine> Mar  3 10:04:30 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [22924.757669]type=1400 audit(1425395070.552:162): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" profile="com.ubuntu.developer.ken-vandine.hub-exporter_hub-exporter_0.2.1" name="/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ubuntu-app-launch/content-hub/mir-connection-demangler" pid=31340 comm="exec-line-exec" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=32011 ouid=0
[15:20] <kenvandine> tedg, ideas?
[15:22] <kenvandine> tedg, do i need policy changes for that?
[15:57] <peat-psuwit> awe_: I found something interesting in ofono's log.
[15:57] <peat-psuwit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10516444/ at line 239
[15:58] <awe_> peat-psuwit, can you elaborate?  Also, I'm just about to jump on my morning standup.  Should be free again in 20-30m
[16:00] <peat-psuwit> awe_: It says that gsm_umts_index is -1, but this is used in code without checking, at https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/blob/master/drivers/rilmodem/sim.c#L667
[16:13] <Chipaca> kenvandine: hi :)
[16:13] <kenvandine> yo
[16:14] <Chipaca> kenvandine: what's the canonical way of querying things like what you got over dbus in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1426418/comments/2 ?
[16:14] <Chipaca> kenvandine: gsettings?
[16:14] <kenvandine> gdbus introspect --system -d org.freedesktop.Accounts -o /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User`id -u phablet`|grep -A21 com.ubuntu.touch.AccountsService.Sound
[16:15] <kenvandine> Chipaca, that's stored in accountsservice
[16:15] <Chipaca> kenvandine: yes, but what's the supported, published, api to query that information?
[16:15] <Chipaca> kenvandine: it almost never is dbus :)
[16:15] <kenvandine> dbus :)
[16:15] <kenvandine> in settings we have our own binding for that
[16:16] <tsdgeos> any idea why my phablet-shell shell closes regularly?
[16:16] <tsdgeos> i.e. i'm kicked out of the shell back to my pc
[16:16] <ogra_> tsdgeos, what device ?
[16:17] <tsdgeos> ogra_: nexus4 and nexus7
[16:17] <ogra_> sounds like a broken cable or some such
[16:18] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[16:18] <tsdgeos> may be
[16:18] <tsdgeos> let me try a different cable :D
[16:18] <ogra_> any usb errors in syslo on the PC ?
[16:19] <tsdgeos> ogra_: how would i read those?
[16:19] <tsdgeos> to me it seems more as if openssh or adb where shutting down tbh
[16:19] <tsdgeos> ahh
[16:20] <tsdgeos> it's that mtp thing again
[16:20] <Chipaca> kenvandine: does AccountsService have signals to notify you when those things change?
[16:20] <tsdgeos> or it seems
[16:20] <Chipaca> kenvandine: the introspect data doesn't list any, but the introspect data is not binding :)
[16:20] <kenvandine> Chipaca, you should be able to get property change notifications
[16:20] <tsdgeos> just when the "Nexus7" poped up on the launcher i lost connection
[16:20] <Chipaca> kenvandine: ah, they're just dbus properties. good.
[16:20] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:21] <ogra_> tsdgeos, yeah, the mtp server start logic is a bit broken atm
[16:21] <ogra_> but that shouldnt cause disconnects for adb
[16:21] <kenvandine> so we do that in our bindings, we forward the property changes to QML for the settings UI
[16:47] <awe_> peat-psuwit, you might've uncovered a bug in rilmodem.  It looks like the code blindly uses the gsm_umts_index, which in your case is -1
[16:48] <awe_> I think the code should probably check for an invalid value, and if num_apps >= 1, then just use 1 as the index
[16:48] <awe_> er, actually 0
[16:48] <awe_> ( ie. the first element in the array )
[16:49] <awe_> I'll play around with this later on, and might be able to get you a test version of ofono to try...
[16:50] <awe_> that said, can't guarantee turnaround time on this, but will try to get you in the next day or so
[16:50] <peat-psuwit> awe_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10516444/ is the log from ofonod in debug mode. Line 239 says that gsm_umts_index is -1. https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/blob/master/drivers/rilmodem/sim.c#L667 seems to use this variable without checking, so this may be the cause of the problem.
[16:51] <peat-psuwit> awe_: Sorry, my IRC client gets buggy.
[16:51] <awe_> peat-psuwit, I think you found a bug
[16:51] <awe_> I will try and get you a test version, but can't guarantee turnaround time
[16:53] <awe_> peat-psuwit, can you please file an ofono bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+filebug
[16:53] <peat-psuwit> awe_: I'm trying to compile this by myself with my fix included now.
[16:53] <awe_> ok, great. If it works, please indicate so in the bug
[16:54] <awe_> peat-psuwit, ok great, if it works, please indicate so in the bug
[16:54] <awe_> did you get my link to the ofono report-bug page?
[16:55] <peat-psuwit> awe_: Yes. Webchat seems to stop auto-scrolling if I scroll up by myself.
[17:00] <awe_> peat-psuwit, ah...ok
[17:00] <awe_> anyways, thanks for digging into this.  Not too often we find real bugs this easily
[17:01] <elopio> ping barry: can you please join #ubuntu-quality ?
[17:04] <peat-psuwit> awe_: You're welcome. Anyway, this doesn't guarantee that it will work on my device.
[17:07] <awe_> peat-psuwit, no it doesn't, but it's a damn good place to start! ;)-
[17:10] <kenvandine> tedg, of course the app's profile isn't allowing it to execute my mir-connection-demangler
[17:10] <kenvandine> tedg, i don't see any policy that allows that for pay-service, how does that work?
[17:10] <tedg> kenvandine, pay-ui is non-standard there. I guess you'd have to add that. Hmm.
[17:11] <tedg> kenvandine, Seems like that's kinda sucky
[17:11] <kenvandine> yes... yes it is :)
[17:11] <kenvandine> tedg, same for mediaplayer ?
[17:11] <tedg> I don't see a away around it though.
[17:11] <kenvandine> ok
[17:11] <tedg> kenvandine, ?
[17:12] <tedg> Oh, with the URL dispatcher thing. Perhaps.
[17:12] <dobey> hmm
[17:12] <kenvandine> tedg, not to bad, i guess i just need to add that to the content_exchange_source
[17:12] <kenvandine> tedg, it's you that's special :)
[17:12] <kenvandine> special ted :)
[17:12] <tedg> I don't imagine that's going to happen anytime soon. Haven't seen the qtmir stuff get much attention there.
[17:12] <tedg> Oh, and no features.
[17:12] <tedg> kenvandine, YOU KNOW IT!
[17:12] <kenvandine> :-D
[17:12] <greyback> which qtmir stuff?
[17:24] <Elleo> saidinesh5: heya, just tried integrating the bruteforcematcher with the ubuntu keyboard, but the results I get for manual input seem to be quite far out (e.g. typing "time" will give the first suggestion as "tree" or typing "thr" gives "tv")
[17:24] <saidinesh5> Elleo: oh
[17:24] <Elleo> saidinesh5: is there something more I should be doing besides calling match() on the word? It feels like maybe it's trying to interpret a swipe or something
[17:25] <saidinesh5> nah match() is the magic function
[17:25] <saidinesh5> but probably broke something current refactoring
[17:25]  * saidinesh5 checks
[17:25] <Elleo> ah, okay
[17:26] <saidinesh5> Elleo: ermm.. no... tim works, time works...
[17:26] <saidinesh5> for time my matches are time, timed, times, timer
[17:26] <Elleo> okay, maybe I'm doing something stupid then; will take another look tomorrow :)
[17:26] <saidinesh5> did you clean the cache?
[17:27] <peat-psuwit> awe_: Wait a minute, at https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/blob/master/gril/grilreply.h#L80 gsm_umts_status is defined as guint, so it shouldn't be -1.
[17:27] <saidinesh5> Elleo: also do you have access to the latest code?
[17:27] <Elleo> saidinesh5: it currently reports "No prior cached data found for "en_US"" when started (not sure if it has write access to the default cache location at the moment)
[17:28] <saidinesh5> hmm fair enough
[17:28] <Elleo> saidinesh5: I did a checkout from bitbucket this morning
[17:28] <tedg> greyback, The splash screens for trusted prompt sessions.
[17:28] <saidinesh5> also btw. i moved the view away from lib
[17:28] <greyback> tedg: ah ok
[17:29] <saidinesh5> Elleo: from saidinesh5/skeyer or skeyer/skeyer?
[17:29] <Elleo> saidinesh5: saidinesh5/skeyer
[17:30] <saidinesh5> there you go :p
[17:30] <saidinesh5> should have deleted it long ago
[17:30] <Elleo> ah, heh
[17:30] <Elleo> saidinesh5: right, I'll try with the correct version then :P
[17:30] <saidinesh5> Elleo: btw. i can probably make the exact library you need if you give me the specs
[17:30] <saidinesh5> right now lib/ and view/ are already separate
[17:31] <saidinesh5> and i am implementing android shortcuts right now
[17:31] <saidinesh5> as in swipe ill , it will also show i'll in the suggestions
[17:32] <Elleo> saidinesh5: cool, for now I'm just hacking up a quick prototype to see if it'll cover our needs fully, but would be good to get it all sorted out as a separate shared library or something (so we don't have to dump a bunch of skeyer code into the keyboard)
[17:32] <saidinesh5> Ahh sure
[17:33] <saidinesh5> currently i have no hope for hunspellmatcher anyway
[17:33] <Elleo> heh
[17:33] <saidinesh5> and engine, is useless for you too
[17:34] <saidinesh5> what you need is BruteForceMatcher, Word, WordList, AbstractWordMatcher
[17:34] <saidinesh5> and the language packs
[17:34] <saidinesh5> language pack = android's dictioanry file + keyboard_layout.json
[17:34] <Elleo> yeah, in my quick hack I just added an extra method to engine to pass through a word to the match() function, so I could still get all the setup done by engine for layouts/languages/etc.
[17:35] <saidinesh5> Ahh
[17:36] <saidinesh5> i am hoping to speed things up a little more soon though.. and make the edit distance more accurate
[17:37] <saidinesh5> like right now we are doing things at the "key level"
[17:37] <saidinesh5> so even if you moved slighlty into the next key, it gets counted
[17:38] <saidinesh5> was thinking of making it take the curve into account
[17:39] <saidinesh5> that probably wont change anything for you though :P
[17:41] <Elleo> yeah, unless we can get the goahead to use the swipe stuff
[17:41] <Elleo> which I'd love to do, but I suspect legal worries will prevent it :/
[17:42] <saidinesh5> how is google using it?
[17:44] <peat-psuwit> awe_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1427788
[17:45] <peat-psuwit> I don't know if the bug report is ok.
[17:49] <Elleo> saidinesh5: it's quite possible that they pay license fees to nuance, I'm not sure though
[17:49] <saidinesh5> hmm .. could be that too..
[17:50] <saidinesh5> Also can't we implement this and disable it in the US builds?
[17:50] <saidinesh5> like people do for MP3 codecs..
[17:53] <saidinesh5> okay so i think adding another build target for the project: "libskeyer" which just creates the so and installs the headers should do...
[17:53] <saidinesh5> and of course namespacing lib skeyer
[17:53] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2015-03-02 04:01:59 PM PST]  <DonkeyHotei> rsalveti: if you're still here, ChickenCutlass focused on 3 areas: bluez, gstreamer, and ofono. i'd like to try to track down the hammerhead bluez issues in anticipation
[17:53] <saidinesh5> hunspellmatcher wont be compiled if you dont use enable-hunspell anyways
[17:56] <saidinesh5> we dont have to worry about dpointering the whole thing either do we?
[18:08] <ric96> hey, a little help for porting
[18:08] <ric96> anyone??
[18:10] <ric96> ?
[18:11] <popey> ric96: probably need to ask your specific question
[18:11] <popey> ric96: might be people around, otherwise fire a mail at the ubuntu phone list
[18:12] <ric96> ah someone, so i own a moto e which is btw an android phone, and i have all the device sources for it,
[18:12] <ric96> do i need to do the apparmour and udev bit
[18:14] <dobey> yes you need to build the kernel with the necessary pieces for ubuntu; i'm pretty sure the porting guide says as much
[18:14] <ric96> hmmmm....
[18:15] <ric96> then i might be needing some help with the apparmour porting guide
[18:15] <ric96> kinda new to the porting stuff
[18:19] <saidinesh5> Elleo: just a heads up, we now have a CONFIG+=build-standalone-library option. namespacing things now, so you can probably directly use libskeyer for your work
[18:20] <saidinesh5> for the hacks i mean
[18:21] <saidinesh5> the libskeyer actually needs some work to be cleaned up and to provide a useful API around Engine
[18:24] <jdstrand> ogra_, g105b: fyi, mic access will be handled properly when pulseaudio is a trusted helper: bug #1224756
[18:29] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i'm trying to make a change to the content_exchange_source policy group, for now just to try something out
[18:29] <kenvandine> jdstrand, but the test in apparmor-easyprof is failing
[18:29] <kenvandine>   /usr/lib/@{multiarch}/ubuntu-app-launch/content-hub/mir-connection-demangler rx,
[18:29] <kenvandine> jdstrand, ^^ what's wrong with that?
[18:31] <Elleo> saidinesh5: awesome
[18:31] <jdstrand> kenvandine: use ixr
[18:31] <jdstrand> kenvandine: or rix
[18:31] <jdstrand> (doesn't matter-- point is, you are missing 'i')
[18:32] <jdstrand> kenvandine: with exec ('x') rules you need to specify the exec transition type
[18:33] <jdstrand> kenvandine: mir-connection-demangler is supposed to run within the context of the app, correct?
[18:33] <kenvandine> yes
[18:34] <jdstrand> kenvandine: yes, you want 'ix' then. 'i' means 'inherit from parent profile'
[18:34] <kenvandine> excellent
[18:34] <kenvandine> thx
[18:34] <jdstrand> if you are curious about the nitty gritty details: man apparmor.d
[18:34] <jdstrand> np
[18:35] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i think we're going to need something like this, but i'm still working on the POC now
[18:35] <kenvandine> to use trust session for content picking
[18:36] <studio_> hi
[18:36] <popey> hi
[18:36] <studio_> :)
[18:37] <studio_> is ssh for the bq e4.5 in the last image now by default off?
[18:37] <popey> it's off by default on a fresh flash, yes.
[18:37] <popey> if you turn it on, it should stay on.
[18:38] <studio_> ok
[18:39] <ogra_> right
[18:40] <ogra_> adb shell android-gadget-service enable ssh
[18:40] <ogra_> that turns it on permanently
[18:40] <studio_> thanks :)
[18:41] <saidinesh5> and namespaced too!
[18:42] <studio_> hmm, but is is still using a key, password isn't working? so i have to make new keys?
[18:43] <ogra_> od use an old one :)
[18:43] <ogra_> *or
[18:44] <ogra_> i usually just run phablet-shell once
[18:44] <ogra_> that pushes a key in place for you
[18:44] <studio_> ok
[18:46] <studio_> i figured out, that "background" image isn't working, it is more like a "cover" for the locked screen. is that a bug?
[18:46] <ogra_> studio_, you mean wallpapers ?
[18:46] <ogra_> thats a design decision
[18:46] <ogra_> wallpapers are pre-scope
[18:46] <ogra_> *per-scope
[18:46] <studio_> in german it is "hintergrund"
[18:47] <dobey> yes the unity8 dash does not use the background you selected
[18:47] <studio_> but it only "covers" the locked screen
[18:47] <studio_> ok
[18:48] <ogra_> right
[18:48] <ogra_> if you want a custom wallpaper, you would have to create your own scope
[18:48] <ogra_> and use your wallpaper in there
[18:49]  * dobey bets apps scope would look weird with a background image anyway
[18:49] <ogra_> depends what you select
[18:49] <ogra_> i wonder if the scope creator tool offers a custom wallpaper
[18:50] <ogra_> i never looked at it
[18:51]  * ogra_ is doing more apps on snappy nowadays
[18:52] <dobey> how do you use webapps for html5 games on snappy? :P
[18:53] <ogra_> i use nodejs :)
[18:53] <studio_> i "tried" to figure out how the ubuntu sdk is working, but my first problem was to flash a daily image. it allways shows me an error, because mako is the "default" device. how to change that?
[18:54]  * ogra_ uploaded OS.js on the weekend ... pretty cool thing running a full javascrip desktop on your browser 
[18:54] <ogra_> s/on your/in your/
[18:54] <ogra_> studio_, you use the --device switch
[18:54] <ogra_> (assuming you use ubuntu-device-flash for flashing)
[18:55] <studio_> i only have one device in the sdk and that is the bq (krillin)
[18:55] <studio_> why it shows mako?
[18:55] <ogra_> oh, thats a qestion for the SDK guys ... no idea
[18:56]  * ogra_ never used the SDK ... i'm a vi guy 
[18:56] <dobey> eh?
[18:56] <ric96> Which would you like? [aosp_arm-eng] cm_condor-userdebug
[18:56] <ric96> build/core/product_config.mk:222: *** Can not locate config makefile for product "cm_condor".  Stop.
[18:56] <ric96> ** Don't have a product spec for: 'cm_condor'
[18:56] <ric96> ** Do you have the right repo manifest?
[18:57] <ric96> help
[19:02] <ogra_> ric96, looks like you are trying to pull a cyanogenmod tree into the ubuntu aosp one ...
[19:02] <ogra_> not sure that works without modifications (i doubt it)
[19:03] <ogra_> studio_, the SDK guys (and app developers) are usually in #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:06] <studio_> i thing OTA updates, i think, are also not working because, i tried via system settings and updates, only working wit ubuntu one account and no system updates available, but with sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade there are updates, also with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. but i get an error with powerd_0.16+15.04.20150219~rtm-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb
[19:06] <ric96> yup it is cm
[19:07] <ogra_> studio_, system updates work without U1 account
[19:07] <dobey> studio_: you made the image writable
[19:07] <ogra_> and i told you already apt will break ...
[19:07] <studio_> image was witeable
[19:07] <studio_> writable
[19:08] <ric96> should it not be cm??
[19:08] <dobey> *sigh*
[19:08] <dobey> ric96: no, we use aosp
[19:08] <ogra_> ric96, if you can find an aosp tree that would make it easier for you
[19:08] <studio_> ogra_, i know, but i try to figure out why no upatses via system updates
[19:08] <ogra_> else you actually need to port your cm tree to aosp first
[19:08] <ric96> hmmmm..... any idea where i can get it for moto e xt1022?
[19:08] <popey> studio_: which channel are you running?
[19:08] <dobey> studio_: what image are you on right now?
[19:09] <ogra_> studio_, system-image-cli -i
[19:09] <studio_> in the moment on stable bq
[19:09] <dobey> there are probably no updates because there just aren't any updates
[19:09] <popey> studio_: we haven't promoted an image for a while
[19:09] <popey> so you wont have had any ota updates
[19:09] <ogra_> yeah
[19:09] <ogra_> stable only gets updates monthly
[19:09] <studio_> ok
[19:10] <studio_> what about the rc channel?
[19:10] <popey> the -proposed channels get near daily updates
[19:10] <popey> but are more likely to break
[19:11] <studio_> ok
[19:11] <ogra_> studio_, system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed
[19:11] <ogra_> that should switch you over ...
[19:12] <ogra_> (daily builds ... but also potential breakage indeed)
[19:14] <ogra_> if you are really brave, you take ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed
[19:14] <studio_> ogra_, i have seen today the 14.09.es-proposed-customized and 14.09.es-proposed cannels
[19:14] <ogra_> (more breakage ,... potentially even multiple builds per day)
[19:15] <ogra_> studio_, es means they default t spanish
[19:15] <studio_> i know
[19:16] <studio_> :)
[19:22] <jdstrand> kenvandine: when ready, file a bug against apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu and I can get it uploaded for you
[19:23] <kenvandine> jdstrand, will do
[19:40] <studio_> ogra_, back to the error, it says "15.04". Isn't 15.04 vivid?
[19:40] <dobey> yes
[19:40] <ogra_> "the error" ?
[19:40] <dobey> and what error?
[19:41] <studio_> powerd_0.16+15.04.20150219~rtm-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb
[19:41] <ogra_> with system-image-cli ?
[19:41] <dobey> that's a package, not an error
[19:41] <studio_> isn't that package for 15.04?
[19:41] <ogra_> no, for rtm
[19:42] <ogra_> as the package version string says
[19:42] <ogra_> if oyu have a ~rtm in a package name, it was specifically rebuilt for the rtm channel
[19:42] <studio_> ok, it thought it is a conflict with the version
[19:43] <dobey> you shouldn't be trying to use apt on the phone anyway
[19:43] <ogra_> (which is essentially its own distro)
[19:43] <ogra_> right
[19:43] <ogra_> it wont work
[19:43] <studio_> ok
[19:43] <ogra_> there are packages that are not upgradeable with apt
[19:44] <ogra_> stick to readonly and use system-image (or the UI upgrader)
[19:44] <ogra_> if you need to do apt stuff, do it in a chroot in /home/phablet or on the sd card
[20:05] <hillbicks> hey guys. I'm trying to understand the "porting to a new device" article and I'm stuck at the patch the kernel part because the link from the article is not working. I was wondering if there is device specific guide that I could as guidance
[20:16] <studio_> i am confused after i understood what proposed and proposed-customized means. so what is the "main channel" for the bq e4.5?
[20:17] <popey> ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 is a good one to use
[20:17] <popey> ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed is what I run, but that's daily images and may break
[20:17] <popey> once a month the image is tested by QA and then promoted to the ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 channel
[20:20] <studio_> and users have to install apps like terminal and filemanager from here "http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/" by themself?
[20:22] <sergiusens> studio_: popey the defaults should be sufficient ubuntu-touch/stable (alias to ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09)
[20:22] <studio_> i sked, because it is not by default in the images
[20:23] <sergiusens> u-d-f will pick stable by default
[20:23] <popey> studio_: no, users do not have to install them from there, because normal people sign up for u1
[20:23] <popey> and install from the store.
[20:24] <dobey> studio_: no, you install the terminal and file manager from the store
[20:24] <dobey> and then when there are updates to those apps you can install them too
[20:25] <studio_> popey, normal users (linux-users) don't like a "must" sign to ubuntu one like to android play-store or apple itunes
[20:25] <dobey> AGAIN ubuntu on phones is a phone image, not a traditional ubuntu PC system
[20:25] <dobey> studio_: stop making argumentative assumptions
[20:26] <studio_> sorry, but it is the truth :(
[20:27] <dobey> no it isn't. you are not the one who decides the truth. you do not speak for everyone else.
[20:27] <popey> studio_: rubbish
[20:28] <popey> studio_: many _many_ _many_ Linux users use android, and _do_ sign into play store
[20:28] <popey> studio_: don't project your own personal issues onto others
[20:28] <dobey> all android users are "linux users"
[20:28] <popey> YKWIM
[20:28] <dobey> i do. others might not ;)
[20:29] <sergiusens> the truth is personal to every individual much different than facts and this is not a fact
[20:30]  * sergiusens always remembers that Indiana Jones scene
[20:30] <studio_> i just asked for an alternative download for the "core apps" without a registration :(
[20:30] <popey> and I gave you one
[20:30] <sergiusens> bzr branch and build them
[20:30] <popey> I personally (at my expense) host a mirror which I gave you a link to
[20:31] <studio_> popey, i didn't made that pubic, i thought it is "just for the moment"?
[20:32] <popey> its pretty public
[20:33] <popey> plenty of people here use it, and I'm happy for you to use it
[20:33] <popey> no guarantee it will continue working though :)
[20:33] <popey> It's running on the end of my cable connection
[20:33] <hillbicks> another question: the wiki lists the nexus 7 from 2012 (aka grouper) as not supported anymore, but the daily-preinstalled/current/ still contains files for the grouper device. the boot img from there doesn't work though (invalidsize). I'm wondering if anyone knows what's up with that.
[20:34] <dobey> hillbicks: it's not supported any more
[20:35] <dobey> i don't know that the images you are referring to are the phone/tablet images though. i think they are just armhf ubuntu images
[20:35] <popey> yeah, it's ye olde, and not supported at all
[20:36] <hillbicks> damn, I'd really like to see ubuntu touch in action.
[20:36] <popey> buy a bq phone ㋛
[20:36] <hillbicks> already did ;)
[20:36] <popey> \o/
[20:36] <hillbicks> <-- not a patient man
[20:36] <popey> ditto
[20:36] <anpok_> my wife complains too
[20:36] <dobey> buy a nexus 4?
[20:36] <anpok_> did my phone arrive?..
[20:37] <hillbicks> well, hopefully the bq will be here next week
[20:37] <hillbicks> i just hope that more builds for different devices will pop up in the future.
[20:38] <dobey> probably not on the official image server. but there is a port to oneplus one now
[20:38] <dobey> and another lg phone
[20:38] <hillbicks> i guess it still runs on nexus 7, so maybe we get community builds
[20:40] <hillbicks> yeah, i read about the one plus, would be nice to see a step by step guide of how that was done. it is my limited understanding that it should be "relatively" easy to port a working AOSP port to ubuntu-touch, is that correct?
[20:40] <dobey> it doesn't run on the 2012 n7
[20:41] <dobey> the hardware is the problem
[20:41] <Elleo> hillbicks: there's this if you haven't already seen it: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[20:42] <hillbicks> yeah, I saw that and already worked my way through that but I'm stuck at the app armor kernel patches part. the link is not working
[20:42] <hillbicks> dobey: do you have a link for that info?
[20:43]  * popey wonders what changed
[20:43] <dobey> hillbicks: tegra hardware is problematic
[20:43] <dobey> popey: for the 2012 n7?
[20:43] <popey> the /topic
[20:43] <dobey> oh
[20:44] <k1l_> popey: did set it back to what it was after a user removed that. maybe we want +t?
[20:44] <popey> oh, it was removed?
[20:44] <popey> i never noticed :)
[20:44] <hillbicks> oh, ok. because i got the first developer preview running on the nexus 7. strange
[20:44] <k1l_> (and i dropped the flashsale announcement since it was outdated anyway
[20:44] <hillbicks> yeah, there was no topic when i came in half an hour ago
[20:44] <dobey> hillbicks: it's because we switched away from surfaceflinger
[20:47] <hillbicks> dobey: is it a question of optimization then?
[20:48] <dobey> hillbicks: no, it's lack of drivers
[20:49] <popey> ahhh tegra
[20:50] <hillbicks> hmm, ok. last question. where is the place to read up on this stuff? i couldn't find a dedicated place on the ubuntuforums and the xda subsection seems pretty abandoned too.
[20:51] <dobey> well, our builds are based on aosp, so if you want to learn about lower level stuff in aosp, then xda is probably the best place
[20:52] <dobey> beyond that, i guess the porting guide is pretty straightforward
[20:53] <hillbicks> ok, maybe I'll try my luck again on the weekend when I have some more time on my hands.
[20:54] <hillbicks> thanks very much for your time!
[21:38] <studio_> ha, i installed the "com.ubuntu.filemanager_0.4.386_armhf.click" on my device. why isn't that by "default" in the image? its a nice app.
[21:49] <dobey> because it's not useful to 99.99% of users, since there aren't really "files" on the device that you need to manage
[21:53] <kenvandine> files are old school :)
[22:00]  * dobey remembers that time he convinced kenvandine that file managers were lame
[22:01] <popey> studio_: it is in the default nexus 4 image
[22:02] <dobey> because it's a development tool. if lg were going to ship nexus 4 phones with ubuntu on them, the official devices wouldn't have it either on the nexus 4 :)
[22:02] <kenvandine> dobey, not how i remember it... i convinced you file managers were lame :)
[22:03] <kenvandine> it's not file managers that are lame, it's the idea of thinking of content as files
[22:03] <studio_> popey, what do you mean with "it is the default nexus 4 image"?
[22:03] <kenvandine> studio_, it's installed by default on nexus 4
[22:03] <popey> studio_: if you had a nexus 4 and not a bq, you'd have file manager (and terminal) pre-installed
[22:03] <kenvandine> not on krillin
[22:03] <popey> not sure how else I could say it
[22:04] <k1l_> images vary from device to device
[22:04] <studio_> what are you talking about, the sdk?
[22:04] <dobey> kenvandine: no, i'm pretty sure that i was convincing you that we should get rid of nautilus, and build something based on indexing, with interface similar to how WebOS works :)
[22:04] <popey> no, the image
[22:04] <popey> the image you flash to the nexus 4, 7, 10, all have file manager and terminal (and other apps) pre-installed
[22:05] <popey> the bq device has fewer apps pre-installed
[22:05] <studio_> ahh :)
[22:05] <dobey> s/fewer/different/
[22:05] <kenvandine> dobey, this we pre-webos :)
[22:05] <studio_> but why?
[22:05] <dobey> pretty sure it has *more* clicks installed by default :)
[22:05] <popey> studio_: customer requirements
[22:05] <dobey> kenvandine: nope, it was brussles :)
[22:05] <popey> studio_: bq are selling the device, they determine what goes on it
[22:05] <kenvandine> it was...
[22:06] <dobey> the pre came out just after the barcelona uds
[22:07] <studio_> hmm, a filemanager and a terminal, is in "my mind", a must have ...
[22:07] <dobey> good for you. then install them if you must have them
[22:09] <studio_> i installed, but i can't believe, that bq don't want to have this for it's users?
[22:09] <popey> believe it
[22:09] <popey> it makes total sense
[22:09] <dobey> you don't need to believe it
[22:09] <dobey> it isn't something which requires faith
[22:09] <dobey> it is simple fact
[22:10] <dobey> 99% of the people who use phones don't need a terminal or file manager
[22:10] <studio_> "it makes total sense" ... for sure !?!?!
[22:10] <popey> yes.
[22:10] <dobey> and you only think you do
[22:10] <studio_> i do not understand that
[22:10] <popey> You are not a common user.
[22:10] <popey> But no worries, they're in the store.
[22:13] <dobey> and it's time for pub
[22:13] <popey> \o/
[22:14] <studio_> did you read the latest german review about the bq aquari e4.5 and it "connectivity" with windows and apple os?
[22:14] <dobey> oh, popey still hasn't befriended me on untappd though
[22:15] <popey> i dont use untapped really
[22:15] <dobey> no toast for popey
[22:15] <dobey> heh
[22:15] <dobey> anyway, later
[22:16] <studio_> i never make reviews like that, i explain friends how to use, because i ask here direkt!
[22:17] <studio_> but i also need answers!
[22:18] <rww> thankfully, you've been given plenty of answers here
[22:18] <studio_> rww, i am happy about, that i get answers here!!!
[22:23] <studio_> for exp. try this: https://static-bqreaders.s3.amazonaws.com/file/Ubuntu-Aquaris_E4_5/Manual_Aquaris_E4.5_ubuntu_EN.pdf
[22:24] <studio_> this is not usefully !!!
[22:24] <studio__> was i banned again?
[22:25] <studio__> again, please read this: https://static-bqreaders.s3.amazonaws.com/file/Ubuntu-Aquaris_E4_5/Manual_Aquaris_E4.5_ubuntu_EN.pdf
[22:26] <popey> no
[22:26] <studio__> i understood
[22:26] <studio__> this do not hel an ubuntu-user
[22:27] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-03-222712.png
[22:27] <popey> :)
[22:27] <popey> reading the manual on the phone
[22:29] <studio__> popey, what can you read about the "background" in the manual. it is wrong!
[22:29] <k1l_> well, what manual did ever help 100% of the users?
[22:29] <popey> studio__: what page?
[22:29] <k1l_> either its too detailed and 50% of the users is bored after page 2. or its too short and 50% of the users doesnt understand it.
[22:30] <studio__> 62
[22:31] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-03-03-223104.png
[22:31] <popey> that one?
[22:32] <k1l_> is the background not only the login screen?
[22:35] <popey> it is the welcome screen, yes
[22:37] <studio__> as i tried to tell you, there is no "background" available in the image, only a cover for the locked screen.
[22:43] <studio__> i converted the normal background image from red into "green" and set it to default, but it only covers the locked screen.
[22:43] <popey> i dont understand the issue
[22:43] <k1l_> studio__: that is what is expected.
[22:44] <k1l_> you can only change the lock screen background. there is no other background like a wallpaper on the desktop.
[22:45] <popey> nhaines: you about?
[22:45] <studio__> please, maybe i am wrong, but show me an background image for the ubuntu-touch device working with its apps
[22:45] <popey> nhaines: rtmp://jblive.videocdn.scaleengine.net/jb-live/play/jblive.stream play that now, and see you :)
[22:46] <popey> studio__: you can't currently change the background in apps from system settings
[22:47] <studio__> popey, if background image setting is not working, for what is that option?
[22:48] <rww> the lock screen
[22:48] <popey> ya
[22:48] <studio__> this is not a "background", this is a cover
[22:49] <popey> its behind stuff
[22:49] <popey> it's a background
[22:49] <popey> lets not argue over terminology
[22:50] <studio__> ok, maybe i am wrong :(
[22:55] <studio__> so, how to see the "default", red one, background during "wipe" between the apps. since now it is Just a black background?
[22:56] <popey> ahhh, that background
[22:56] <popey> i dont think you can set that. we should file a bug
[22:57] <studio__> ok, i think same is wit the camera app, it is also only in "black" in the background
[22:58] <popey> where is there a background in camera app?
[22:59] <studio__> there is no background during wiping the apps, but the camera app is total black!
[23:00] <studio__> how can i send you a screenshot?
[23:02] <k1l_> use imgur.com
[23:05] <popey> studio__: phablet-screenshot
[23:05] <studio__> k1l_, to make sreenshots over ubuntu-touch is totally outdated, its from 2013, would be nice to get a new how-to before to send to a person/server
[23:05] <popey> studio__: are you saying the camera doesn't work?
[23:06] <popey> there are two ways to take screenshots
[23:06] <studio__> phablet-screenshot is not working for me i tried that today
[23:06] <popey> one is connect a cable and use phablet-screenshot
[23:06] <popey> the other way is press volume up and volume down at once
[23:11] <Chipaca> hmmm
[23:11] <Chipaca> does “Vibrate In Silent Mode” work at all?
[23:11] <Chipaca> the toggle doesn't seem to toggle the dbus-exposed thing
[23:12] <studio__> hablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/Pictures$ phablet-screenshot
[23:12] <studio__> bash: phablet-screenshot: command not found
[23:12] <studio__> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/Pictures$
[23:12] <popey> studio__: you don't have it installed
[23:12] <Chipaca> oh, wait, i'm an idiot
[23:12] <popey> its a command you run on your pc, not the phone
[23:12]  * Chipaca resumes his idiocy
[23:12] <studio__> muahhh, how to install?
[23:12] <studio__> :)
[23:12] <popey> install phablet-tools
[23:17] <studio__> i have to run it on my pc? sorry, for what is the folder "Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition/Pictures/Screenshots"?
[23:18] <k1l_> studio__: didnt you read? you can make a screenshot on the device with pressing volume-up and volume-down together
[23:19] <studio__> sorry :) i got the screenshot ;)
[23:23] <studio__> popey, could you please accept the file transfer?
[23:27] <popey> i can't
[23:27] <popey> my irc client doesn't do that
[23:28] <studio__> hmm, you to not use ubuntu xchat?
[23:30] <popey> no
[23:30] <popey> upload the pic to imgur or something
[23:30] <studio__> no
[23:31] <popey> ok. i cant help then
[23:31] <studio__> i am also not using facebook flikr and else ...
[23:31] <popey> imgur doesn't need facebook
[23:32] <popey> or any other login
[23:32] <k1l_> you can use any picture hoster you like.
[23:32] <popey> (you could actually have checked this yourself rather than let your paranoia get the better of you)
[23:32] <studio__> i don't understand, where is the "direct" communication, lost in the internet?
[23:33] <popey> your irc communication is not direct
[23:33] <popey> you are talking to me via another server
[23:33] <studio__> why not dcc is still working
[23:33] <popey> i dont use dcc in my irc client
[23:34] <popey> email is not direct, http is not direct, ftp is not direct. You are delluded.
[23:35] <studio__> popey, " email is not direct" let us give a try ... ;)
[23:35] <popey> it is not
[23:35] <studio__> wait ...
[23:43] <popey> studio__: ...?
[23:44] <studio__> weird, where do i find you public gpg-key?
[23:45] <popey> you're sending me a screenshot?
[23:46] <popey> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x72177175E7B2067A17B16F70CC7A505B5FBD5E30&op=index
[23:46]  * popey goes to bed
[23:55] <studio__> thanks for help for today! bbl!