[00:31] <mapps> yep boring film
[00:31] <mapps> night at museum another ben stiller load of rubbish
[03:48] <mapps> was that sh
[03:49] <mapps> any good shauno
[05:17] <mapps> cool the following is back
[05:17] <mapps> daftykins awake|
[05:17] <mapps> ?
[05:21] <shauno> was better than I expected mapps, but I didn't expect much :)
[05:22] <zmoylan-pi> a cookie cutter movie by the numbers for the kids
[05:23] <shauno> and it appears to be snowing again
[05:24] <mapps> snowing where?
[05:24] <shauno> outside
[05:24] <zmoylan-pi> well it is march in ireland :-)
[05:24] <mapps> hmm shauno better than expected..worth watching then?
[05:24] <mapps> I mean what area
[05:24] <mapps> gah
[05:24] <zmoylan-pi> gotta have snow in ireland in march
[05:25] <shauno> way over here mapps, http://www.bbc.com/weather/2964180
[05:26] <shauno> we don't get snow so often. or thunderstorms.  I think I remember one thunderstorm in the 8 years I've been here
[05:27] <shauno> usually it's just wind that could be best descibed as ADHD, with an 80% chance of rain
[05:35] <zmoylan-pi> only 80%, a dry day so... :-)
[07:14] <knightwise> hey shauno zmoylan-pi
[07:15] <zmoylan-pi> \o
[07:16] <shauno> o/
[08:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:18] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:23] <nigelb> hello davmor2
[09:23] <MooDoo> hello davmor2 nigelb
[09:24] <davmor2> hey nigelb long time no see
[09:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka hows the server now?
[09:25] <foobarry> thats the irc equivalent of "hows the rash"
[09:33] <shauno> reminds me of a fun one recently.  chap complaining that ssh was accepting blank passwords.  even for accounts that didn't have blank passwords.  no matter what he tried to change in sshd_config
[09:33] <shauno> turned out the answer wasn't misconfiguration, it was hard pwned
[09:42] <diplo> shauno, I worry about stuff like that with some of our customers. the staff in our head office aren't overly security concious and the customers don't understand how bad things have or can be... just don't want to pay to fix upgrade
[09:43] <shauno> always a strange one.  they wouldn't lock the front door with a rubber band.  but there's a lot more people chancing this door than the front door
[09:44] <diplo> I've stopped worrying now, it's not my issue and no one listens to me, I've found 2 customer servers running ircd servers for control servers
[09:44] <diplo> Cleaned them up and locked them down, told my bosses that the machines should be wiped and reinstalled as I couldnt be 100% I got everything
[09:44] <diplo> They've not done it yet!
[09:45] <diplo> That was very close to my analogy shauno :) I've told my bosses they need to get legal advise on how we are covered as we support this stuff, they seem very blase about it!!!
[09:46] <shauno> in completely unrelated news, today is new toy day.  stoked.
[09:47] <diplo> What you bought ?
[09:47] <shauno> nothing yet.  I have to time things perfectly
[09:48] <foobarry> my amazon voucher fund is growing
[09:48] <diplo> :)
[09:48] <shauno> this is the magical time where my shifts swing around to give me 4 non-weekend days in a row.  which means I can order things and be at home when they're delivered
[09:48] <foobarry> my voucher account is the only secret account i have that i don't share with the wife
[09:48] <foobarry> poor rate of interest though
[09:50] <moreati> In the last few months I read about an experimental alternative to the Synaptics driver, for Macbook touch pads. I can't remember the name though. Ring any bells?
[09:54] <shauno> mtrack?  (xserver-xorg-input-mtrack)
[09:55] <shauno> that's the one suggested in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro11-1/utopic   but I can't promise it's the same one you heard on the grapevine
[09:55] <moreati> shauno: that's the one, thank you
[10:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy "What If Cats and Dogs Had Opposable Thumbs?" Day! :-D
[10:07] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[10:07] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[10:07] <MooDoo> morning
[10:07] <JamesTait> \o MooDoo
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> cats would no longer need us and us to the hunt for sport list
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> *and move us
[10:08] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:10] <foobarry> trying to buy a new shaver today
[10:10] <foobarry> my 10yr old remington is starting to chew my face
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> or your face has aged...
[10:13] <foobarry> :-o
[10:16] <Laney> no, blame the remington! i'm still 21!
[10:16] <shauno> zmoylan's just a big mean meanie.
[10:17] <foobarry> i don't come here to have my 40 year old face abused
[10:17] <foobarry> anyway doesn't skin refresh every 8 years
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> it's replaced with older less stretchy more saggy skin.
[10:25] <Laney> pegs
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> a few pegs to tighten up the skin for him to shave might help... :-)
[10:55] <davmor2> JamesTait: we've seen the advert they take over the world.....NOT TODAY KITTY!!!!
[10:57] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6CcxJQq1x8 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wxGH7aq780 for those that have no idea what I'm on about
[11:44] <daftykins> mornin'
[11:45] <davmor2> daftykins: morning
[11:45] <daftykins> ah, just received a little 1TB USB 3 external HDD from amazon for the grand price of £38 delivered
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> you'll never fill a whole terabyte!! :-)
[11:47]  * daftykins glances at the RAID with 4TB free of 10
[11:47]  * zmoylan-pi remember when work got a 110mb drive for novell network at work
[11:47] <daftykins> did the doors have to come off to get it in? ;)
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> had to replace that a week later with 330mb drive as we filled the 110mb in 3 days.  that was a lot of shuffling floppies
[11:48] <daftykins> :S
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> that 330mb lasted a few years. an esdi drive iirc
[11:49] <daftykins> electro-static discharge initiated? :)
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> now you can get a 1tb usb flash drive.  not cheap mind
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> can't wait till i find one of those on public transport :-)
[11:50] <daftykins> :)
[11:51] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you can now get 200GB micro-sd cards again not cheap
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> and not accepted in a lot of hardware.
[11:52] <daftykins> compatibility is apparently overrated ;D
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> my phone tops out at 32gb.  only have a 16gb card in it
[11:52] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: yeap but then support for something that doesn't exist is kinda hard to support
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> 16gb is a lot of music, ebooks, audio comedies and audio books
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> and you can store an entire library of extra 16gb cards in your wallet in a single original sized sd card case :-)
[11:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> only just :-)
[11:56] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4mxvkkhn4s7r4fk/IMG_20150303_115524.jpg?dl=0
[11:56] <daftykins> the thing has arms!
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> and paws
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> or flippers
[11:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: is this you just managed to drag yourself out of bed and turn on your pc?
[12:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: it's that I've just managed to drag my concentration away from work and log into IRC for a few mins
[12:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: come to the LUG on Wednesday! It's at the Oddfellows for a change
[12:03] <daftykins> i'm quite disappointed though, USB 3.0 drive and the best i've seen it do today is 25MB/sec :(
[12:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know whats on yet but I'll likely be there if it is as quiet as yesterday and today is being, /me hugs mwc
[12:04] <bigcalm> Wow, some time off for you!
[12:08] <davmor2> shhhhh you'll jinx it
[13:16] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hb1g23thwdurnfq/IMG_20150303_131252.jpg?dl=0
[13:16] <daftykins> mmmm tasty
[13:30] <foobarry> i'm being organised and trying to think of mothers day gifts
[13:30] <foobarry> any ideas?
[13:31] <Myrtti> what's the budget?
[13:31] <Myrtti> what is she into?
[13:31] <foobarry> for the wife
[13:31] <foobarry> craft
[13:31] <foobarry> sewing, crochet, spinning, wool, handmade
[13:31] <foobarry> flowers
[13:31] <foobarry> girl things
[13:31] <Myrtti> carbon fiber knitting pins
[13:32] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Karbonz-Interchangeable-Needle-Starter-fabric/dp/B00L926V2O/
[13:32] <foobarry> why are they better than bamboo/metal?
[13:33]  * daftykins chuckles
[13:33] <daftykins> speed, foobarry !
[13:33] <Myrtti> light and durable
[13:33] <foobarry> mrs foobarry knitted me qa wonderful lap blanket of natural colours of sheep wool
[13:33] <Myrtti> the 1mm ones double pointed are absolutely obscene
[13:33] <foobarry> white/brown/dark
[13:33] <Myrtti> I still haven't gotten over the fact they exist and how they feel
[13:34] <Myrtti> if she's more into DPN pins, http://www.amazon.co.uk/KnitPro-Karbonz-Double-Pointed-Needle/dp/B00F3F6TFM/
[13:34] <foobarry> i may investigate
[13:34] <foobarry> they look like implements of torture
[13:34] <Myrtti> I recommended them to Pricey last year for his sister's birthday and apparently she was very taken by the gift
[13:35] <foobarry> can i ask yet again what those special socks are please?
[13:35] <foobarry> :S
[13:35] <Myrtti> foobarry: the flight socks?
[13:35] <foobarry> yeah
[13:35] <Myrtti> nabeesocks.com
[13:35] <foobarry> thanks
[13:45] <popey> \o/ nabee
[13:46] <Myrtti> some of mine start to look a bit worn
[13:47] <foobarry> bought one of these
[13:47] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004TKCFM8
[13:47] <foobarry> bluetooth adapter thingy
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> everyone loves bluetooth :-)
[13:47] <foobarry> turns my dumb stereo into a streaming stereo
[13:50] <zmoylan-pi> i got rid of my ancient tape/cd/radio stereo years ago.  i replaced it with dab radios in bedroom and kitchen
[13:50] <daftykins> my brother bought a DAB radio once
[13:50] <zmoylan-pi> i hadn't used tape since 90s
[13:50] <daftykins> didn't realise the Channel Islands don't broadcast it XD
[13:50] <foobarry> failz
[13:51] <zmoylan-pi> yeah you kinda have to buy a dab radio to see if there's dab radio about :-)
[13:51] <Myrtti> foobarry: I have a Belkin one and two Gramofon's
[13:52] <Myrtti> hubby has a teeny tiny one in his car
[13:52] <foobarry> :-|
[13:53] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: not really :P you just use the website
[13:53] <foobarry> but does it have a "101%" satisfaction guarantee from 7dayshop
[13:54] <zmoylan-pi> the website might say you are in a dab covered area but only when you test an actual device in that location will you see how good or bad the signal is
[13:55] <daftykins> true, but knowing that the Channel Islands don't even offer it would've been a good money saving move :)
[13:55] <zmoylan-pi> very true
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> kinda like ethopia buying an electric chair when they had no electricity...
[13:56] <foobarry> oh no, post-lunch sleepy time is coing
[13:56] <foobarry> fight the sleepiness
[13:56] <foobarry> i just had a massive choc brownie too
[13:56]  * popey hugs his kitchen DAB radio
[13:57] <popey> shame it has an iphone dock.
[13:57] <foobarry> i stopped listening to radio when my car aerial got nicked
[13:57] <popey> I'll probably keep my iphone in it forever
[13:58] <davmor2> popey: I love all of our dab radios one in the caravan, one in office and one in the living room
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> can't you replace the aerial with a coat hanger for that 70s retro look? :-)
[13:58] <foobarry> i could, or maybe buy one for £20
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> coat hanger it is :-)
[13:59] <foobarry> but i realised radio is a bit rubbish when you are fussy
[13:59] <popey> used to love the motorised aerial i had in my daimler
[13:59] <popey> that was a classy car :)
[13:59] <foobarry> pimpey
[13:59] <popey> it was one of the cheapest cars I ever bought, 900 quid
[13:59] <popey> bit of an old nail
[14:00] <popey> V12, 5.3.. guzzled fuel
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> my brothers first car cost him ir£200.  a datsun 100a.  i remember all the cold mornings helping to push start the flippin thing.
[14:08] <foobarry> was datsun the european name of nissan?
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> once it was stolen.  my brother just went walking till he found it abandoned.  it was that crap
[14:08] <foobarry> i never bothered to google it, but occasinoally think about it
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> they used to trade in europe in 70s as datsun before rebranding as nissan i think
[14:09] <popey> my first car cost me 80 quid
[14:09] <daftykins> should've called themselves dachshund
[14:09] <popey> oh, maybe that was my 3rd car
[14:09] <popey> Mustard coloured morris marina
[14:09] <davmor2> foobarry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datsun you know google does wonders
[14:10] <foobarry> davmor2: sometimes its nicer to discuss :D
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> now davmor2 will be bombarded with datsun adverts :-)
[14:10] <foobarry> most of the time i think about it i'm not connected to the net
[14:11] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: better than some of the crap I get hit with :)
[14:11] <foobarry> also the article has too many words
[14:11] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: the prime one is insurance shockingly :D
[14:12] <davmor2> foobarry: you only need to read the first line datsun are a company now owned by nissan
[14:12] <foobarry> that doesn't answer the origin of datsun name
[14:12] <foobarry> zmoylan-pi summarised more nicely
[14:12] <foobarry> maybe i should check simplepedia
[14:13] <davmor2> foobarry: It's a company now owned by nissan, so there was datsun and nissan now there is only nissan as nissan bought datsun
[14:13] <Myrtti> bouquet arrived safely back home to Blighty. I don't know if I can be bothered to rewire it back to writing condition yet
[14:14] <daftykins> writing with flowers?
[14:14] <davmor2> foobarry: same as VolksWagen owning most car brand on the street nowadays :)
[14:14] <Myrtti> arduino and rgb led's
[14:14] <Myrtti> working, even
[14:14] <Myrtti> not writing
[14:14] <foobarry> yeah, i miss my seat ibiza
[14:15] <davmor2> foobarry: that a VW with a ibiza body
[14:16] <foobarry> yep, and random assortment from vw parts bin
[14:16] <foobarry> i preferred it to the polo
[14:16] <foobarry> good price and great economy
[14:16] <foobarry> inthe 1.9tdi
[14:16] <foobarry> bought it brand new :-|
[14:16] <foobarry> only time i'll ever do that
[14:16] <davmor2> foobarry: my skoda is a passat running gear and a skoda body
[14:18] <foobarry> i would have kept the ibiza but it had 3doors and i since married and had offspring
[14:18] <foobarry> so went for focus estate, but tested teh skoda
[14:33] <davmor2> oh there is a speedtest-cli that can give a link to the png for you to copy paste nice
[15:02] <daftykins> odd, speedtest-cli is only in utopic? 0o
[15:03] <popey> (and vivid)
[15:03] <popey> its fairly new iirc
[15:04] <daftykins> ah-har, ty
[15:19] <Myrtti> ever got a speeding ticket? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-31709454
[15:21] <popey> zoiks
[15:22] <davmor2> Myrtti: hahahahaha oh that has to sting,  I bet he won't speed any more though
[15:22] <MooDoo> yeah i have Myrtti lol
[15:23] <daftykins> "Finland is impossible to live in for certain kinds of people who have high incomes and wealth." - yes, try not breaking the law then :P
[15:24] <diddledan> lol
[15:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: you own a bike surely it goes with the territory
[15:25] <diddledan> in unrelated but somewhat related news - bbc news has a new beta site?
[15:25] <daftykins> diddledan: indeed, going the washed-out bland Office 2013 way it seems, too
[15:26] <MooDoo> davmor2: i don't speed on a bike, not that stupid
[15:26] <diddledan> it looks like they've taken design cues from gov.uk
[15:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha ;)
[15:27] <MooDoo> :p
[15:28] <Myrtti> http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/pages/DBFAADA6D2B601D8C2257C05001CE1B9?opendocument
[15:36] <foobarry> i got told off by a copper for going too fast on my pushbike
[15:36] <foobarry> he neglected to speak with teh minicab driver who parked on a cycle lane and flung his dirver door open in front of me
[15:39] <diddledan> foobarry, they can't prosecute push-bikes for speeding, instead they have an ancient law from eons ago that gets you for "peddling furiously"
[15:40] <directhex> we have lots of great old laws that aren't enforced properly
[15:40] <directhex> e.g. the "fraudulent mediums act" makes it illegal to lie about being able to talk to spirits
[15:41] <bashrc> heh
[15:43] <foobarry> diddledan: i was freewheeling :P
[15:44] <foobarry> but going around 25-30 mph
[15:44] <foobarry> and then braking furiously
[15:44] <foobarry> as the numpy tried to kill me
[15:45] <diddledan> according to bikehub.co.uk there's confusion over the matter as someone searched for the specific law but couldn't find it however there have been convictions on record that have been found. (Taylor v. Goodwin (1879) for example) there is however statute for "riding furiously" under the 1847 town police clauses act
[15:46] <popey> today I discovered /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal
[15:46] <diddledan> foobarry, I love the word numpty
[15:49] <foobarry> numpty eejit and muppet and jerk (for other drivers) are my go to words
[15:49] <foobarry> for the general public and users
[15:49] <diddledan> I like that numpty sounds so trivial and then you plaster on the end "tried to kill me"
[15:51] <davmor2> popey: oh is that the thing that handles kernel cleanup now
[15:51] <popey> yeah, looks that way
[15:52] <davmor2> popey: yeah I noticed it on trusty server I couldn't figure out why /boot wasn't running out of space anymore :)
[16:12] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31711446 weasel on a woodpecker
[16:15] <MicrobeSerf> lol
[16:18] <MicrobeSerf> http://www.britishpathe.com/video/chimps-take-over
[16:22] <NET||abuse> really dissapionted right now, i'm only getting about 3/4 hours out of the xps13, under a reasonably normal workload, few browser tabs, spotify, skype(x2), hipchat, couple of shells, sublimetext,
[16:23] <NET||abuse> so that's my 5 ish days experience with it now
[16:23] <Myrtti> 3-4 hours or 3/4 hours
[16:23] <NET||abuse> oh, anyone here go to any london meetups?
[16:23] <NET||abuse> hehe, 3||4 hours
[16:23] <NET||abuse> :P
[16:25] <NET||abuse> I'm going to this (as long as my night pass gets issues from her at home)  http://www.meetup.com/Docker-London/events/220145735/
[16:37] <ali1234> wow, so the compiz white windows bug is finally getting fixed almost 4 years to the day after the first report
[16:41] <NET||abuse> that sounds familiar..
[16:43] <ali1234> yeah i know, but this time it's nvidia claiming to have fixed it, not canonical
[16:43] <ali1234> which means the fix will probably work
[16:57] <diddledan> lol
[17:05] <intrbiz> compiz is still a thing?
[17:06] <popey> of course
[17:16] <daftykins> just the other day we had someone after the 3D cube of desktops back again, i felt like it was 2006 again
[17:16] <daftykins> oh, the folly of youth
[17:17] <diddledan> I tried it for a bit but found that I didn't really take any notice when switching desktops
[17:18] <diddledan> I found that when I'm switching to a different workspace I was doing it because I wanted to do something there so I didn't care how it actually did the switch as long as it did it quickly
[17:18] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:19] <daftykins> whereas wobbly windows of course is a clear productivity improver
[17:19] <diddledan> oh yes
[17:19] <shauno> and the fire?
[17:19] <diddledan> I love how it makes it impossible to accurately position one window beside another
[17:19] <diddledan> shauno, you use enlightenment?!
[17:19] <daftykins> it was the aliasing that really made me cringe
[17:20] <daftykins> in fact i bet that looks a fair bit better on these modern res screens
[17:20] <diddledan> aye
[17:21] <NET||abuse> anyone else had issues with vlc and green snow all over all the videos you try to playback?
[17:21] <Myrtti> I had that years ago
[17:22] <NET||abuse> having it now on 14.10
[17:22] <diddledan> corrupt video?
[17:22] <NET||abuse> nope, same video played back fine in mpv
[17:22] <NET||abuse> the video is playing, but green snow all over..
[17:22] <NET||abuse> trying it now with minitube.
[17:22] <diddledan> in that case then it's a processing speed issue
[17:23] <daftykins> sounds like a renderer thing
[17:23] <NET||abuse> uhoh.....
[17:23] <intrbiz> with hindsight the whole wobbly windows thing seems like an era of mass hysteria
[17:24] <diddledan> intrbiz, aye, everyone and his dog was "OMG THE WOBBLES!"
[17:24] <diddledan> the number of youtube videos that went up showing it and the cube
[17:24] <intrbiz> diddledan: yeh, then after 10 minutes it was f**king irritating
[17:24] <NET||abuse> http://snag.gy/qVaJB.jpg
[17:24] <daftykins> wow you lasted 10 minutes? :)
[17:25] <diddledan> NET||abuse, ooh, that really is a weird behaviour - I've never seen that before
[17:25] <intrbiz> daftykins: possibly, might not have been that long, I remember playing with the gravity settings etc, so get it do do silly things
[17:25] <NET||abuse> hmm,
[17:30] <intrbiz> and the whole blured / transparent window thing, that got irritating quickly, along with the cube
[17:30] <intrbiz> the cover switch alt-tab is nice though
[17:30] <NET||abuse> likeed the sticky edges that you could do with wobbly windows.
[17:31] <intrbiz> NET||abuse: KDE has sticky edges
[17:31] <NET||abuse> window tile snapping is one nice side effect that i think hasn't been as broadly adopted by gnome or unity
[17:32] <intrbiz> NET||abuse: snapping to half / quarter screen you mean?
[17:32] <NET||abuse> well, half screen seems to be supported, but the greater general tilling support i haven't seen as much of
[17:32] <intrbiz> NET||abuse: the 1/2 and 1/4 screen snapping in KDE is handy at times
[17:32] <NET||abuse> there's a gnome extension or two that tries but the support for keeping htem working between gnome releases lead to horrible glitches
[17:33] <NET||abuse> unity and gnome do half screen snapping by default i think, but not ht e1/4 screeen, that sounds nice actually.
[17:33] <intrbiz> I also like the window shadow and darken parent to give more visual depth
[17:33] <NET||abuse> specially withthe 4k screens nowadays.
[17:33] <NET||abuse> though then i want to get into 1/3 width and 1/2 height snapping
[17:33] <intrbiz> 1/4 screen can be handy when using lots of terminals
[17:34] <intrbiz> and multi-monitor aware snapping too
[17:34] <NET||abuse> I want 6 tiles.... there are SIX tiles!!
[17:34] <NET||abuse> having star trek piccard torture scene flash backs there...
[17:34] <NET||abuse> intrbiz: ooh,good call
[17:35] <intrbiz> I also like the window tabbing that KDE has
[17:36] <NET||abuse> trying to fix this vlc thing, changing to opengl output (experimental) works, except can't scale the video with the vlc window
[17:37] <NET||abuse> only alt+1/2/3  scale the video to a certain degree
[17:39] <NET||abuse> ok, OpenGL GLX output works
[17:39] <NET||abuse> right, time to go to meetup and hear all about docker :)
[17:39] <NET||abuse> and drink beer and have free pizza
[17:54] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/gallery/nnJLHk9
[18:51] <diddledan> can someone tell me what kind of updates they're talking about and find me a google term that tells me what it actually is from this video at 35:55 (http://www.elasticsearch.org/videos/big-data-search-and-analytics/)
[18:51] <diddledan> it sounds like ballock but google doesn't know the term
[18:52] <daftykins> block? o0
[18:52] <daftykins> bulk!
[18:53] <diddledan> it doesn't sound like bulk
[18:53] <daftykins> the guy corrects him and he agrees though 0o
[18:53] <diddledan> there's two syllables
[18:53] <diddledan> bulk would make sense but it sure doesn't sound like bulk
[18:54] <daftykins> but they're foreign
[18:54] <daftykins> :>
[18:54] <diddledan> that's no excuse
[18:54] <diddledan> even foreigners should learn english
[18:55] <daftykins> the guy may've only seen it written before
[18:59] <diddledan> oh america: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03/03/ben-carson-needs-religion-to-differentiate-between-science-and-propaganda_n_6792376.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
[19:02] <intrbiz> diddledan: 'scientific belief' what a oxymoron
[19:02] <diddledan> that describes him, really, an oxy moron
[19:02] <intrbiz> :)
[19:03] <diddledan> I don't see why religious people can't accept science
[19:04] <diddledan> it's not like the bible says : thou shalt not listen to scientists for they speak the word of the devil
[19:05] <diddledan> helleluja
[19:05] <diddledan> +h
[19:05] <diddledan> hallelujah**
[19:05] <diddledan> thank you spellcheck
[19:05] <intrbiz> diddledan: religious people are indoctrinated to believe without exception in the book that they follow, hence when science say this is incorrect they cannot accept it
[19:06] <intrbiz> IMHO it's the concept of belief which is the issue, people need to think for themselves
[19:07] <daftykins> uh-oh it's that topic
[19:07] <shauno> buddha actually has a good one on that - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalama_Sutta
[19:08] <shauno> (and I mean pali canon type buddha, not e-cards type buddha)
[19:09] <daftykins> Kalama Sutta, what a wonderful phrase ~
[19:09] <diddledan> I prefer the karma sutra
[19:09] <diddledan> :-p
[19:09] <diddledan> well someone had to say it
[19:09] <daftykins> it was a matter of time really
[19:10] <shauno> "a matter of dan" is probably closer ;)
[19:12] <shauno> it's an interesting teaching though.  it pretty much puts "something you can prove" ahead of all other doctrine
[19:13] <diddledan> clever ol' stick wasn't he
[19:13] <daftykins> crikey, that'd definitely empty the libraries ;)
[19:16] <shauno> so I've added spdif output to my pi.  now I have to wait for cables to show up before I can actually try it.  booooring
[19:16] <shauno> and then will come the fun part - I want mpd and retropie to use different sound devices
[19:17] <daftykins> you pesky users and your awkward requirements
[19:17] <daftykins> :D
[19:17] <shauno> hehe
[19:17] <daftykins> SPDIF eh, no HDMI AV receiver?
[19:18] <shauno> nah
[19:18] <shauno> well, I don't run the TV through this usually, since the speakers aren't lined up to the TV
[19:19] <diddledan> I need new speakers - mine are getting wonky
[19:19] <daftykins> ah-har
[19:19] <diddledan> pc speakers I mean
[19:19] <daftykins> diddledan: wasn't you that had the same Logitech 5.1 set, was it 0o
[19:19] <diddledan> nah
[19:19] <shauno> I've just ordered some honking great floorstanding jobs.  I'm slightly concerned I may be too scrawny to move them :/
[19:20] <diddledan> I've got cheapo flatpanel speaker
[19:20] <diddledan> s
[19:20] <diddledan> shauno, what about the children^Zneighbours?
[19:20] <daftykins> i'd offer to help but i'm a cripple
[19:20] <shauno> the neighbours make more noise than I do.  and at less sociable hours
[19:21] <shauno> if they're willing to trade "toning down my music" in return for "toning down their sex life", I'm game
[19:21] <diddledan> I'm curious what you consider unsociable hours when you're awake all night
[19:21] <shauno> I don't do anything loud past 10-11pm
[19:21] <shauno> I can be awake without rattling windows :)
[19:22] <diddledan> I pretty much never make a lot of noise - I don't see the need to blast out extreme volumes
[19:22] <diddledan> I can hear perfectly well at lower levels
[19:23] <shauno> I sometimes have the desire to ensure whatever I'm doing is louder than whatever they're doing
[19:23] <diddledan> heh
[19:23] <shauno> I won't go into details, suffice to say it's icky
[19:23] <diddledan> whips?
[19:23] <diddledan> chains?
[19:23] <daftykins> do the cops ever visit? :>
[19:23] <diddledan> ghosts?
[19:24] <diddledan> "he possessed me"
[19:31] <SuperEngineer> Very close to deleting both home & root right now {& doing a clean install of 14.04.2] but would rather find the culprit...
[19:31] <daftykins> i vote it's diddledan
[19:32] <SuperEngineer> CPU running 50-70% when should be idle - network short pulse very regular...
[19:32] <daftykins> network pulse? 0o
[19:33] <diddledan> emp?
[19:33] <SuperEngineer> ...my suspician... I've become part of a bot-net.  All suggestions very, very welcome!
[19:33] <diddledan> thermonuclear detonation?
[19:33] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: reboot and log into the guest session
[19:33] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, both send & recieve when nothing to send or recieve
[19:33] <diddledan> what does top reveal?
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> it keeps showing xorg as the culprit - but xorg should want network access, should it?
[19:35] <diddledan> why do you think the network access is suspicious?
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> plus - xorg is a root process - that is the worry
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> I know my usual network pattern for send and receive
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> I know at idle I use less than 5% CPu - not 50-70 %
[19:36] <diddledan> how are you monitoring your network?
[19:36] <daftykins> tcpdump'd it to see what it's doing?
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, a simply look at sys monitor
[19:37] <SuperEngineer> and a watchful eye on dongle light
[19:37] <diddledan> that's not conclusive
[19:37] <SuperEngineer> the dongle light is
[19:37] <diddledan> it's highly likely to be standard traffic
[19:37] <SuperEngineer> it's as if this was a windows system!
[19:37] <daftykins> now now :P
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> daftykins ;)
[19:38] <daftykins> so, tcpdump, guest session...
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, why - when you know your normal - & suddenly things go abormal - is that not a reason for suspicion?
[19:39] <diddledan> it's reason for investigation if you can prove it's abnormal
[19:39] <daftykins> usually things seem quirky until you arrive at a sensible explanation
[19:40] <diddledan> I fail to see network traffic "small pulse" as abnormal
[19:40] <daftykins> for example the time i was RDP'ing home to Guernsey from Uni and the wrong box came up... someone else had just gotten my dynamic IP briefly ;)
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> Guest session seems a good idea [and, annoyingly, one I hadn't thought of ;) - will go to Guest now]... lets see what happens...
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> & thanks
[19:41] <daftykins> don't tell him i run Windows
[19:41] <daftykins> it'll only add insult to injury
[19:41] <diddledan> I'm on 'dows, too
[19:41] <daftykins> :D
[19:41] <daftykins> diddledows
[19:44] <davmor2> daftykins: is it just me or does diddledows seem even closer to the doctor who theme than diddledan does :D
[19:45] <diddledan> ~diddledan diddledan diddledan oo-eeee-oooooo ooo ooo oooo~
[19:45] <diddledan> ~daaa daaa daaa dum de dum~
[19:46] <shauno> why are people so paranoid about root?  you can quite happily join a botnet from a user account
[19:46] <diddledan> yup
[19:47] <davmor2> diddledan: but diddledows is closer still
[19:47] <daftykins> i actually don't watch Doctor Who
[19:47]  * daftykins ducks
[19:48] <diddledan> OH EMM GEE
[19:48] <diddledan> you must have lied on your "I'm a geek" application form
[19:49] <diddledan> you did get good points for ensuring an orderly submission in triplicate
[19:49] <diddledan> though*
[19:49] <davmor2> daftykins: you know when you type that it's not in your inner voice anymore and people can read it right ;)
[19:50] <daftykins> which part am i typing?
[19:50] <daftykins> or *i am
[19:52] <ujjain> I´m frustrated that people at my job bother me every 10 minutes while I´m coding and we have to go to production in 3 weeks, arghargargh.
[19:53] <shauno> needs more kumbaya.  with enough kumbaya, people won't bother you unless they really, really have to
[19:53] <ujjain> haha
[19:54] <ujjain> maybe I should just stop showering and start smelling really bad
[19:54] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, ok now I'm confused - tried Guest seddion & all back to nirmal
[19:54] <shauno> I'd file that under "Taking work home with you".
[19:55] <daftykins> ujjain: just put eyes on the back of your head, simple
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> ...logged back in as me and, again - all back to normal?!
[19:55]  * daftykins looks smug for no justifiable reason
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> now let's see what happens after a reboot.... [fingers crossed]
[19:56] <daftykins> this is when it breaks
[19:56] <daftykins> which is an ideal time for me to move downstairs...
[19:59] <SuperEngineer> hmmmmmmmmm...
[20:01] <shauno> mmhmmmm?
[20:02] <SuperEngineer> CPU usage back to normal, network in/ot back to normal. How & what difference was made by logging in as Guest for a few seconds make???
[20:02] <SuperEngineer> #confused ;)
[20:03] <shauno> something was running that you couldn't see, but hasn't been started again (yet?)?
[20:05] <SuperEngineer> shauno - dunno [especially, as I said earlier, I suspect I had become part of a bot-net], but I am breathing a sigh of relief
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> all of a sudden the word "normal " is the new rolls royce for me
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> Could it be that someone was permantly on my system as Guest & I killed it by being "Guest" myself?
[20:09] <diddledan> no
[20:09] <SuperEngineer> hmmm
[20:10] <SuperEngineer> Perhaps I will never know, but it is *good* to be back to normal
[20:10] <SuperEngineer> ..but ~I owe you one for the simplest of ideas!
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> [even though the outcome was not diagnostics, but cure!]  :)
[20:21] <SuperEngineer> On the bright side, with such high CPU usage, it was the 1st time I've had such positive prood of how "indepently" the CPU cores were working :D
[20:31] <shauno> feels like the 90s again.  I can't figure out how to mount a smb share :)
[20:49] <SuperEngineer> Before /me goes for nom noms - diddledan w
[20:50] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, I thank you - I dunno if your idea was to cure the problem or find out what the problem was. I don't care - it cured it & I thank you
[20:51] <shauno> usually guest is just to narrow it down - to whether something's system-broke or wonky in your profile
[20:52] <SuperEngineer> shauno, glad to be thought of as "wonky" - I am, indeed, highly complimented ;)
[20:55] <SuperEngineer> "SuperEngineer - the bestest engineer - but a wee bit slightly wonky"
[20:55] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[21:00] <shauno> all the good ones are ;)
[21:13] <SuperEngineer> lol
[21:24] <shauno> I try not to whine about my house being cold constantly.  but my thermometer says it's 10.3C outside, and 7.7C inside :(
[21:24] <daftykins> :D
[21:25] <shauno> so I'm going outside to warm up before bed
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> run around till you warm it up :-)
[21:26] <shauno> actually, I've started graphing it.  and you can see when I'm home, when I'm not, when I'm asleep, and the weird spike at 4pm when sunset comes in my window
[21:31] <shauno> http://i.imgur.com/wGD3HFz.png   there's a nice spike when I got up (top line is one room, bottom line is another)
[21:32] <shauno> but you can actually see the top line go down when I go to bed, and back up when I get up.  I do appear to be the radiator around here
[21:32] <shauno> anyway.  'night
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> a great bernard would heat that house :-)
[21:41] <diddledan> chilly willy!
[21:43] <daftykins> the penguin?
[21:44] <diddledan> o_O
[21:44] <diddledan> isn't the penguin called pingu?
[21:44] <diddledan> or tux
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> chilly willy predated pingu and tux.  from the time of woody wood pecker
[21:47] <daftykins> :D
[23:12] <mapps> heylo
[23:12] <daftykins> o hai
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> \o
[23:14] <mapps> you watched house of cards? think that'll be the next series i start
[23:14] <mapps> should be able to get through series 1 and 2 in a week:)
[23:15] <mapps> 13 eps a season..26 eps in 7 days? easy!
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> the uk version or the american?
[23:15] <mapps> didn't know there was a uk? thought it was an original us thing
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(UK_TV_series)
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> 4 episodes mini series in 90s
[23:16] <daftykins> i started s1 but never finished it
[23:17] <mapps> oh
[23:17] <mapps> didnt enjoy it daftykins?
[23:18] <daftykins> i enjoyed the first... ~3/4 ? but... i can't really explain without spoilers
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> which i also haven't seen.  i learned all i need to know from yes minister :-)