[04:23] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:25] <inetpro> Hi barrydk 
[05:25] <inetpro> oh and good mornings to everyone else 
[06:01] <barrydk> More inetpro and everyone
[06:36] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:13] <Squirm> morning
[07:21] <Kilos> afternoon
[07:22] <Kilos> hi not_found  ThatGraemeGuy  barrydk  mazal  inetpro  and others too
[07:32] <mazal> More oom
[07:37] <mazal> Gaanit oom Kilos ?
[07:37] <mazal> Lanklaas gechat
[07:38] <Kilos> ja, besig soos altyd 
[07:38] <mazal> Werk oom al weer te hard ?
[07:38] <Kilos> lol die pro druk my met die nikols bzr besigheid
[07:39] <Kilos> nikola
[07:39] <mazal> Eendag as ek groot is sal ek dalk na dit loer , maar dink dis bokant my
[07:39] <Kilos> eintlik sal jy dit maklik verstaan dink ek
[07:40] <mazal> Ek kannie code nie oom , kon nog nooit. Verstaan nie code language nie
[07:40] <Kilos> ah dan is ons in selle boot
[07:40] <mazal> Ek verstaan dan nie eers man pages nie lol
[07:41] <Kilos> lol ek ook nie
[07:41] <Kilos> ek kry hele tyd RTFS
[07:42] <Kilos> maar wat help dik as jy lyn een vergeet as jy lyn 4 lees
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo 'lo
[07:45] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:46] <Kilos> morning danfowler  
[07:46] <Kilos> youre a serious lurker hey
[07:47] <Kilos> this is a chat and get involved group
[07:47]  * ThatGraemeGuy talks to himself
[07:47] <Kilos> lol
[07:50] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: You been following that slow mo thread of mine ? Shees I really thought I had the problem found last night , but no
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> Yeah, like I said I notice the quarry thing sometimes
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> its much harder to notice now that quarries don't just feed tubes
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> i mean they now have a buffer
[07:51] <mazal> I really don't know what to try anymore. It must be one of the mods causing it , but which one I dunno
[07:54] <mazal> It mostly irritates me when I have to do crafting , where furnaces , alloys and grinders are used. Then I have to wait long for the process to complete.
[07:55] <Kilos> lol
[07:55] <mazal> And the trees taking long to get rubber back etc. Very frustrating problem to have
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> node breakers with tree taps in them + blinky plants
[07:56] <Kilos> plant more
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> never worry about rubber again
[07:56] <mazal> Kilos: Lots of rubber trees kills fps
[07:56] <Kilos> fps?
[07:56] <mazal> In my previous world I had like a forest of them , when I enter there , oh boy , fps down to like 10 to 15
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i need to rebuild my tree farms sometime
[07:57] <Kilos> you mean speed?
[07:57] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: I can't lekke figure out how to use the node breaker yet
[07:57] <mazal> That's something I must still look into
[07:57] <mazal> Kilos: Frames per second ya
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> feel free to take a look at my stuff on VanessaE's survival server
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a ton of breakers
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> pumice, basalt, obsidian, flowers, trees, leaves, wheat, cotton
[07:58] <mazal> So you can put a tool in a breaker ? hmm
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> papyrus
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah with no tool in the slot it behaves like a instant-digging mese pick
[07:59] <mazal> So the breaker keeps breaking or harvesting 1 node in front of it ? 
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> but if you put a tool it, it behaves like the tool
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty much yes
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> with rubber trees you must put the tree tap in it, or it will just dig the trunk
[07:59] <mazal> So for example , I put 4 breakers on top of each other in front of rubber tree , each with tap in
[08:00] <mazal> And it will harvest as the tree replenish ?
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[08:00] <mazal> Now that I must try !!! :)
[08:00] <mazal> And it stores the harvested items inside it , which I assume can output via pipeworks ?
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> you attach a tube to the back of it
[08:01] <mazal> With or without trigger ?
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh..... trigger?
[08:01] <mazal> filter with mesecon
[08:02] <mazal> I somme call it triggers
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't follow
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> you trigger the breaker using mesecon signals, if that's what you mean
[08:02] <mazal> Does it output automatically like technic machines , or must you add filter with mesecon and blinky plant like chests ?
[08:03] <mazal> For the tube that goes out I mean
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, no it outputs automatically
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> so if there's no tube it just pops out onto the ground
[08:03] <mazal> Thanx man , defnitely gonna try this
[08:03]  * mazal adds to his trello " build nodebreakers "
[08:05] <mazal> Does the tap also get worn out and must be repaired ?
[08:05] <mazal> The one inside the breaker
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> not exactly sure why
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> chainsaws do, weirdly enough
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> but it is possible to automate charging of those so its easy to incorporate them
[08:06] <mazal> Maybe cos chainsaw are batteries
[08:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's what I want to do when i rebuild my tree farms, right now they use node breakers, but I only get a few leaves at a time that way, with a chainsaw you get all the leaves
[08:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> but at the same time I want to expand my farming with grass, all the veggies, bushes, etc. so I've been a bit lazy with that
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> will probably build a massive multi-storey farming skyscraper :)
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> have so much material its time I built something big
[08:11] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Hoe do you use it on trees , cos trees don't grow again. Or is there a trick to that ?
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> so right now i have 5 or 6 node breakers stacked vertically that remove the trunk, and 4 adjacent that get some leaves
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> the rest of the leaves decay, sometimes dropping saplings
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> trunks and leaves are sorted off to my sorting tube array
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> saplings drop on the ground, and there are vacuum tubes that pick them up and place them into deployers
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> so the whole setup is i have a node detector that is set to look for tree trunk node at the base of the tree
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> so the tree grows, the node breaker sees that there is trunk, it triggers 2 things
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1, the node breaker that digs the tree+leaves, and 2, a delayer that in turn triggers the deployer that plants a saplin
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> +g
[08:15] <mazal> Wow , you guys are smart
[08:15] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> I guess I shouldn't go into how to automate making lava from hundreds of filled lava cans :-p
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh, making obsidian i mean
[08:17] <mazal> Is amazing the stuff you guys know , really
[08:19] <mopkop> Good morning all!
[08:19] <Kilos> hi mopkop  
[08:19] <Kilos> dont start gaming
[08:21] <mopkop> Lol, no time for that, I have an assignment to do :'(
[08:21] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: I visted the quarry system that you guys have on Vanessa's server yesterday. ( Trying to see what speed it runs ) Couldn't find one , all was finished at that stage , but wow you guys have some nice networks there
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> the multi-level one?
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> elevators every 100 nodes down?
[08:21] <mazal> Yeah there are lots of different levels there , I got lost at one stage lol
[08:22] <mazal> Yeah that one
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> mine are currently at -800
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> via elevator or if you find one of my travelnet boxes you can go directly to where I'm busy
[08:22] <mazal> Wound up in one place with loads of reactors underground
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah that's level -100 in the quarry area probably
[08:23] <mazal> I first went to your -200 , but couldn't find the actual quarry , just lots of cable
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> it goes down to -2600 last i checked
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah there are several people that quarry there
[08:24] <mazal> I came to the network box wuth the multiple ones , and from there all the ones I found was finished at that stage
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> afaik i'm the only one that quarried at -800 so far
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> never saw anyone else there
[08:24] <mazal> I must try visit your -800 one , don't think I was there
[08:25] <mazal> Lemme go see quick , don't shoot , it's just me lol
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm not there :)
[08:26] <Kilos> lol
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't been for a while, the quarries are long finished
[08:27] <mazal> Yeah , am there now , all finished
[08:27] <mazal> Lemme see if I can find someone's who are busy
[08:30] <mazal> Looking at the nodebreaker setups now
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> if not I'll pop online around 12 o'clock and set up a bunch of them
[08:30] <mazal> Hoopie hiers honde nie :P
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> node breakers are broken at the moment from what I can tell, things may not be working as expected
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't been on, but judging from chat in #minetest-technic, they are breaking their own machines in weird ways
[08:32] <mazal> I saw that yesterday , but wasn't paying much attention at that stage
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> fixed, supposedly
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> will check later
[08:35] <mazal> Well some latex did run past me there now down your tubes , so might be working
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[08:40] <Padroni> morning
[08:40] <mopkop> Good morning Padroni!
[08:40] <Padroni> hey
[08:40] <Padroni> how are you?
[08:42] <mopkop> I have a lot to be thankful for, and you?
[08:43] <Padroni> same
[08:43] <not_found> morning all
[08:43] <not_found> what a morning *yawn*
[08:43]  * not_found needs to get to the big city and get bigger car :'(
[08:44] <not_found> can't even fit baby carriage in picanto
[08:45] <mopkop> Good morning!
[08:45] <Kilos> lol @ neelsie
[08:45] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[08:45] <Padroni> hello boss
[08:45] <Padroni> how you?
[08:45] <Kilos> hi lin  welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:46] <Kilos> um
[08:46] <Padroni> hi lin
[08:46] <lin> Hey guys
[08:46] <Kilos> alive is good hey
[08:47] <Padroni> let's run a portscan on that ip
[08:47] <Padroni> see what comes up...
[08:50] <Kilos> can you actually see my ip as well?
[08:51]  * ThatGraemeGuy hangs a "must be older than 12" sign on the door
[08:51] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:54] <Kilos> oh my he killed himself
[08:54] <Kilos> oh no
[08:54] <Padroni> no I didn't
[08:54] <Padroni> I killed my clone
[08:54] <Kilos> you didnt answer me Padroni  
[08:55] <Padroni> yeah?
[08:55] <Padroni> oh - haven't checked.
[08:55] <Padroni> And ThatGraemeGuy - before you get your panties in a knot, I was joking about the port scan, mmmkay?>
[08:55] <Kilos> lol
[08:58] <Padroni> Kilos:  when last did you see jacques?
[08:59] <Kilos> yesterday Padroni  
[09:00] <Padroni> ok so he hasn't been on yet today?
[09:00] <Kilos> nope
[09:00] <Padroni> It's gonna be a balmy 41 degrees here today
[09:01] <Padroni> Yesterday the wind was blowing gale-force strength
[09:01] <Padroni> today - nothing
[09:01] <Kilos> you got his full nick there then you can ask maaz seen jacques
[09:01] <Padroni> except the heat
[09:01] <Padroni> ty
[09:02] <Kilos> Maaz  seen jacques_stry
[09:02] <Maaz> Kilos: jacques_stry was last seen 22 hours, 24 minutes and 59 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-03-02 02:37:02 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-03-02 05:35:38 PST
[09:11] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed  are you still in za?
[09:11] <tumbleweed> yup
[09:12] <Padroni> hi tumbleweed
[09:12] <Kilos> nice
[09:48] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[09:52] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[09:52] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[09:52] <Kilos> can someone explain this please
[09:52] <Kilos> 403 Forbidden [IP: 197.155.77.2 80]
[09:52] <andrewlsd> ... where are you receiving it from?
[09:53] <Kilos> thats from our repos, langjan is battling on the lists
[09:53] <mopkop> I'm getting the same!
[09:53] <andrewlsd> ah, sounds like the mirror is down for maintenance
[09:53] <Kilos> ah
[09:53] <Kilos> ill tell him to change ty
[09:53] <andrewlsd> ubuntu-archive.mirror.liquidtelecom.com.
[09:53] <andrewlsd> btw
[09:54] <andrewlsd> have any of you used aliases for bash in any significant way? I have 'apt-get update' aliased to 'au' ; apt-get upgrade aliased to 'aup' and apt-cache search to 'ac'
[09:55] <andrewlsd> so that when I search for stuff, I just do e.g: ac unity
[09:55] <andrewlsd> and to install it: ai unity
[09:55] <highvoltage> I did that at one point but it didn't have significant benefit
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't use aliases, it's too much bother trying to keep them synced across hundreds of servers
[09:56] <andrewlsd> I have a .bash_aliases file that I use via config management, so that even on servers with yum/zypper I can still just do 
[09:56] <andrewlsd> au, aup
[09:56] <andrewlsd> or rather: au && aup
[09:57] <andrewlsd> ... so as not to have to type out loooong commands.
[09:57] <highvoltage> apt update
[09:57] <highvoltage> that's not so much to type :D
[09:57] <Kilos> haha
[09:57] <andrewlsd> ^ correct, until you try it on RHEL.
[09:57] <Kilos> lo highvoltage  
[09:57] <highvoltage> well then you're screwed anyway
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's what you get for using RHEL
[09:58] <andrewlsd> :-)
[09:58] <highvoltage> andrewlsd: you use apt on rhel?
[09:58] <andrewlsd> I use: ai $package
[09:58] <highvoltage> (I know there was a port a long time ago but haven't come across anyone who used it yet)
[09:59] <andrewlsd> where, ai is an alias to "yum install" on rpm distros, or alias of 'apt-get install' on deb distros
[09:59] <highvoltage> ah
[09:59] <andrewlsd> on a related note, apt-cacher-ng does a great job of caching rpms too.
[10:00] <andrewlsd> (including merging mirror repos)
[10:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you're installing packages manually you're already doing it wrong imho
[10:00] <andrewlsd> :-)
[10:00] <andrewlsd> ... was waiting for that.
[10:01] <andrewlsd> ... to make tiny package differentiations on a few servers, puppet/ansible/salt/chef are too much work
[10:01] <andrewlsd> ... but, I agree with that, in principle.
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> not if you're doing it well :-)
[10:02] <highvoltage> depends on how many servers you have
[10:02] <andrewlsd> ThatGraemeGuy, touché
[10:02] <highvoltage> ansible already becomes worth while on >1 server
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: I'm moving quarries if you want to come check just now
[10:03] <highvoltage> and I find it scary when servers aren't reproducable
[10:03] <TinuvaMac> beginning to get everything into config management is a mammoth task, but once everything is in it...
[10:03] <andrewlsd> ... on large numbers of servers, the run time was too long for us, and ended up on a different CM platform
[10:04] <andrewlsd> ... but Ansible was the one I liked most (probably coz it felt like bash scripting)
[10:05] <andrewlsd> Kilos, I'm not having any issues at the moment with repo
[10:06] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Be there in a sec
[10:06] <andrewlsd> ThatGraemeGuy, moving quarries sounds like heavy work ;-)
[10:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you're a scrawny weakling maybe :-p
[10:08]  * andrewlsd goes to find some spinach
[10:08] <Kilos> ty andrewlsd  ill wait to hear back from him
[10:09] <Kilos> lol
[10:10] <Kilos> andrewlsd  maybe Symmetria  was updating the mirror
[10:11] <mopkop> Wow the alias thing is very useful :)
[10:12] <Kilos> mopkop  dont break stuff now
[10:13] <mopkop> I'll try :)
[10:13] <Kilos> lol
[10:14] <andrewlsd> check out Froztbyte's blog, for a clever search from the terminal: #http://blog.froztbyte.net/2011/10/terminal-quicksearch/
[10:15] <jrgns> Is anyone seeing 403 Forbidden responses from za.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[10:15] <andrewlsd> yes
[10:16] <andrewlsd> Kilos also queried that a while ago. 
[10:16] <Kilos> ha jrgns  
[10:16] <jrgns> hey Kilos
[10:16] <Kilos> try switching to neology
[10:16] <andrewlsd> neology or webafrica
[10:16] <Kilos> i find neology the fastest and most up to date one
[10:17] <andrewlsd> za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu || archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu || ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu || ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu ||  ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/
[10:17] <Kilos> and most stable
[10:17] <jrgns> Kewl, thanx
[10:17] <jrgns> btw, andrewlsd, are you going to the ansible meetup this week?
[10:17] <andrewlsd> ... I often grab from SUN.ac.za or UCT, since they're Cape...
[10:18] <andrewlsd> jrgns, I didn't know about it.
[10:18]  * andrewlsd goes looking for info
[10:18] <jrgns> let me get you the link
[10:19] <andrewlsd> thanks, jrgns
[10:19] <jrgns> http://www.meetup.com/Ansible-Johannesburg/
[10:19] <jrgns> It's Joburg, though, are you in the Cape?
[10:20] <Kilos> inetpro  check the numbers
[10:20] <Kilos> wooo
[10:20] <andrewlsd> jrgns, yip.
[10:21] <jrgns> that's a pity
[10:22] <andrewlsd> I've got to be off, meetings. In near 40-degree heat. Wish me luck
[10:22] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:22] <Kilos> hehe
[10:23] <mopkop> Good luck!
[10:28] <mopkop> .ping mopkop
[10:32] <Kilos> what happens when you do that
[10:40] <inetpro> ai!
[10:40] <Kilos> ai! /
[10:40] <Kilos> ?
[10:40] <inetpro> can someone please explain to oom Jan that people hosting the mirrors don't get paid to do the mirroring
[10:41] <inetpro> you want to complain then follow the correct channels
[10:42] <Kilos> oh my where did he complain
[10:42] <mazal> Email I think
[10:42] <mazal> Unless I'm lost now
[10:43] <Kilos> shame the poor old man, he has been battling for weeks with a install on a lappy
[10:43] <inetpro> and Kilos please change your posting style when responding to emails on the list
[10:44] <Kilos> back to bottom again?
[10:44] <inetpro> no
[10:44] <Kilos> ai! wat nou
[10:45] <inetpro> if you post at the bottom of an email then please cut out the junk, leave only the relevant parts that you are responding to and then start writing your bits
[10:46] <mopkop> Just trying the commands, yes that was a typo.
[10:46] <inetpro> otherwise just reply at the top like everyone else
[10:47] <inetpro> not that everyone else is right of course
[10:49] <inetpro> Kilos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
[10:55] <Kilos> i remember big wars on our list about posting to the top so set evo to post at the bottom since then
[10:55] <Kilos> but i will change my posting style just for you inetpro  
[10:55]  * Kilos waits for a smile
[10:55] <inetpro> Kilos: the way you do it confuses the heck out of me
[10:56] <inetpro> always need to figure out who wrote what
[10:56] <Kilos> oh my pro confused
[10:56] <inetpro> and that is exactly not the reason why you should bottom post
[10:56] <Kilos> i thought thats my domain
[10:58] <inetpro> sorry oom... not much time here
[10:58]  * inetpro jumping around between meetings
[10:58] <Kilos> np
[10:58] <inetpro> while trying to get work done at the same time
[10:58] <Kilos> do9nt jump too high you break a leg on the way down
[10:58] <Kilos> dont
[10:59]  * mazal was also told that replying at top is not allowed
[11:00] <Kilos> there were big wars about it
[11:00] <mazal> Yeah I rember
[11:00] <Kilos> but top posting makes sense
[11:00] <mazal> I was privately mailed and told not to do it again
[11:00] <Kilos> lol
[11:02] <Kilos> well times seem to have changed, ill top post from now on
[11:03] <mopkop> Could it be that Jan Greef is having the same problem as I did yesterday with python?
[11:04] <Kilos> he has a lappy that gives nothing but hassles when trying to install ugbuntu
[11:04] <Kilos> ubuntu
[11:04] <Kilos> maybe the drive is a bit sick
[11:06]  * mazal see there is a new distro
[12:23] <Kilos> hi lin  
[12:26] <superfly> Kilos: cut out what is not relevant, then bottom post
[12:27] <Kilos> ok ty superfly  
[12:27] <superfly> don't leave reams and reams of nonsense, you're wasting people's time and displacing more electrons than usual
[12:27] <Kilos> lol
[12:27] <Kilos> sorry
[12:46] <lin> I'm back, guys
[12:47] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[14:27]  * not_found had a small window to work on the wiki today and spent all that time to just log into it >.<
[14:27] <Kilos> ouch
[14:30] <Symmetria> mirrors will be back in a bit soon as canonical repoint the dns
[14:30] <Symmetria> linux being on crack :( 
[14:31] <Symmetria> it renamed /dev/md0 to /dev/md127 on a reboot
[14:31] <Symmetria> which broke my fstab 
[14:31] <Symmetria> wtf
[14:32] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: add an entry to /etc/mdadm.conf to avoid that next time?
[14:40] <magellanic> or use uuids in fstab
[14:41] <Symmetria> fixed that now :P
[14:41] <Symmetria> still bizarre it does that
[15:06] <Kilos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/ubuntu-15-04-beta-downloads-now-live-ubuntu-mate-made-an-official-flavor
[15:08] <magellanic> anyone use mate? it's a legacy gnome2 desktop? any good?
[15:08] <Kilos> i enjoyed it on top of unity
[15:09] <Kilos> bit different from gnome2 though
[15:09] <Kilos> but nice and fast
[15:09] <magellanic> hmm okay
[15:10] <magellanic> interesting that they made it an official flavour
[15:10] <Kilos> its a way to keep peeps that dont like unity
[15:10] <Kilos> clever move i think
[15:12] <magellanic> meh, stick to cinnamon..
[15:15] <Kilos> hehe
[15:56] <Kilos> wb mopkop  
[16:07] <mopkop> Thank you Kilos!
[16:07] <Kilos> hehe what did you break today?
[16:08] <mopkop> Car's rear view mirror...
[16:08] <Kilos> oh my, how would one do that?
[16:08] <Kilos> oh an outside one
[16:09] <mopkop> Apparently press stick doesn't work to fix it. No, the inside one. It just fell off :(
[16:09] <Kilos> wow
[16:10] <Kilos> lol you like the old granny that said the tree just jumped in front of me
[16:11] <mopkop> Yea, like that :)
[16:11] <mopkop> I think the heat made the windscreen so hot, the glue melted.
[16:11] <Kilos> oh one of those glued to the windscreen
[16:11] <mopkop> Hello Magespawn!
[16:11] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[16:12] <Kilos> ai!
[16:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[16:15] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[16:15] <magespawn> hi mopkop 
[17:39] <magespawn> so whats up?
[17:39] <Kilos> in the cape temps
[17:40] <Kilos> here not much new
[17:43] <magespawn> right then
[17:43] <magespawn> indeed
[17:49] <Kilos> im in dog box again
[17:51] <Kilos> my own fault though for being lazy
[17:53] <magespawn> what is wrong now?
[17:54] <Kilos> i didnt clean up all the reply to stuffs in mails
[17:55] <Kilos> i need someone to blame for me being lazy
[17:55]  * Kilos face slaps
[17:55] <Kilos> there prob sorted
[17:56] <magespawn> lol
[17:56] <magespawn>  what reply to stuff? not really following
[17:57] <Kilos> when someone needs help you reply at the bottom but should clean up most of the other stuff above first
[17:57] <magespawn> oh right
[17:57] <Kilos> just keep whats relevant
[17:57] <Kilos> i used to but seem to have forgotten about that
[17:58] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  why you so quiet lately
[17:58] <Kilos> we even moved meetings to tuesdays so it didnt interfere with your beer nights
[17:58] <Kilos> ha
[18:00] <magespawn> i would not worry about it too much
[18:00] <Kilos> na ill remember now and do it right
[18:01] <Kilos> needed reminding thats all
[18:01] <Kilos> too much bzr and nikola corrupting my ram
[18:03] <magespawn> lol
[18:05] <magespawn> do you have a link for the ubuntu membership wiki?
[18:05] <Kilos> let me see
[18:05] <Kilos> which one ?
[18:05] <Kilos> where you apply or see our members
[18:06] <Kilos> where you added you yesterday or so
[18:07] <magespawn> where you apply for ubuntu membership?
[18:07] <Kilos> its on our site i think
[18:08] <Kilos> you dont apply on a wiki i think
[18:08] <Kilos> you go here to #ubuntu-locoteams
[18:09] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember
[18:10] <magespawn> ty
[18:10] <Kilos> yw
[18:11] <Kilos> sorry i first had to hunt
[18:11] <Kilos> that wiki is so slow
[18:11] <Kilos> takes ages to open
[18:12] <Kilos> even on my 4g
[18:16] <magespawn> maybe there is something else slowing it down for you, opened fine for me here
[18:17] <Kilos> ive heard lots of peeps complain so maybe it will be good if they fix it anyway
[18:17] <Kilos> they should go the static site route
[18:26] <Kilos>  Kilos: as I understand it, the trouble is that the version of moinmoin being used wasn't really meant to scale to what it is so Canonical has had to do a lot of work to make it work at all in its current form
[18:49] <Kilos> eish sirens screaming
[18:50] <Kilos> another farm attack in this area
[18:55] <magespawn> hectic
[18:57] <magespawn> i think i might have to make myself a new pgp key, i think my old one gor formatted away
[19:00] <magespawn> s/gor/got
[19:00] <magespawn> nice
[19:11] <inetpro> good evening
[19:11] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[19:11] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[19:13] <Kilos> hi inetpro  you in an explaining mood?
[19:13] <inetpro> again?
[19:13] <Kilos> i want to know where the ubuntu.wiki is and if it can be converted to static
[19:14] <Kilos>  <pleia2> some proposals have been to switch to mediawiki and things, but that's a massive job and afaik they don't have the budget
[19:14] <Kilos> are all wikis hosted in one place or what
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:21] <Kilos> youre fingers tired again?
[19:21] <inetpro> why convert a wiki to static? It would defeat the purpose of a wiki
[19:21] <Kilos> oh
[19:21] <Kilos> well i did ask you to explain
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: what is a wiki?
[19:22] <Kilos> you tell me
[19:22] <Kilos> Maaz  define wiki
[19:22] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about wiki. Maybe you meant Wike or wifi?
[19:22] <inetpro> ai!
[19:22] <inetpro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
[19:23] <inetpro> a wiki invites all users to edit any page or to create new pages within the wiki Web site, using only a plain-vanilla Web browser without any extra add-ons
[19:23] <inetpro> Wiki promotes meaningful topic associations between different pages by making page link creation almost intuitively easy and showing whether an intended target page exists or not
[19:23] <inetpro> A wiki is not a carefully crafted site for casual visitors. Instead, it seeks to involve the visitor in an ongoing process of creation and collaboration that constantly changes the Web site landscape
[19:24] <inetpro> A wiki enables communities to write documents collaboratively, using a simple markup language and a web browser
[19:24] <inetpro> ensovoorts
[19:25] <Kilos> ok
[19:25] <inetpro> Wikis are generally designed with the philosophy of making it easy to correct mistakes, rather than making it difficult to make them
[19:26] <Kilos> and cant that be done on a static wiki?
[19:26] <inetpro> ai!
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: how would you allow Joe Public to update a static wiki?
[19:27] <Kilos> thats what im asking
[19:28] <Kilos> i dont understand what the diffs is
[19:28] <Kilos> like can you run a wiki on a static site
[19:28] <Kilos> cant
[19:29] <Kilos> i just see things working but have no idea how they do it
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: how do you update a wiki?
[19:29] <Kilos> like our site is a static site but works same as others just faster
[19:29] <Kilos> carefully
[19:29] <inetpro> please RTFS above!
[19:30] <inetpro> 03/03 21:23:27 <inetpro> a wiki invites all users to edit any page or to create new pages within the wiki Web site, using only a plain-vanilla Web browser without any extra add-ons
[19:30] <Kilos> ai!
[19:31] <Kilos> maybe i need pictures drawing for me so i can see things
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: History Lesson: According to Cunningham, "I chose wiki-wiki as an alliterative substitute for 'quick' and thereby avoided naming this stuff quick-web."
[19:33] <Kilos> ok next
[19:33] <Kilos> what makes it slow down
[19:34] <Kilos> not the stuff smile does on their wiki
[19:34] <Kilos> like looking for links that dont exist anymore etc etc
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: who did you talk to?
[19:35] <superfly> https://www.flickr.com/photos/who_da_fly/16087266773/
[19:36] <inetpro> awesome photo superfly!
[19:36] <Kilos> im talking to you man because you batter and batter till something sticks
[19:36] <magespawn> hectic fires
[19:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:38] <inetpro> superfly: it still burning since the weekend?
[19:38] <Kilos> yes they fighting now still
[19:38] <superfly> inetpro: yup
[19:38] <inetpro> wow
[19:39] <Kilos> was on the news just now too
[19:39] <superfly> inetpro: straight off the camera, 8 second exposure.
[19:39] <inetpro> that's hectic
[19:40] <inetpro> 03/03 21:14:24 <Kilos>  <pleia2> some proposals have been to switch to mediawiki and things, but that's a massive job and afaik they don't have the budget
[19:40] <Kilos> they were talking about massive amounts of fynbos destroyed but as far as i know fire is natures way of revving the bush
[19:41] <Kilos> ya but what is mediawiki and why is it better
[19:41] <Kilos> reviving
[19:41] <inetpro> ahh... 
[19:42]  * inetpro notices that he raised the issue at #ubuntu-locoteams
[19:42] <Kilos> yes
[19:42] <Kilos> now
[19:42] <Kilos> aqi! i forgot
[19:42] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:43] <Kilos> is their prob similar to our ibid prob? the moinmoin thing needs to be rewritten
[19:43] <inetpro> please don't you go stressing about it now
[19:43] <Kilos> im asking man
[19:44] <inetpro> delete it from your mind
[19:44] <Kilos> no
[19:44] <magespawn> lol
[19:44] <magespawn> sudo inetpro 
[19:44] <Kilos> magespawn  help me man
[19:44] <inetpro> it's complicated stuff 
[19:45] <Kilos> oh so i understand wrong
[19:45] <Kilos> its not because of old moin moin that cant cope
[19:45] <inetpro> you do not want to be involved in this
[19:46] <inetpro> end of story
[19:46] <Kilos> no but i would like to understand the basics of what it is
[19:46] <magespawn> Kilos one of the things about a wiki is allows people to log in to edit on the fly, so i imagine there is some sort of databas attached to the site controlling usernames and passwrd etc
[19:46] <inetpro> then go RTFS
[19:47] <magespawn> s/datbas/database
[19:47] <Kilos> rtfs talks raw geek
[19:47] <inetpro> there's a huge load of documentation to read
[19:48] <Kilos> nm you in your bully mode again
[19:49] <inetpro> trust me, you do not want to do this
[19:49] <inetpro> ask highvoltage why he even gave up on maintaining our wiki
[19:49] <Kilos> lol i dont want to get invloved or do anything man
[19:49] <inetpro> we actually had our very own wiki
[19:50] <Kilos> i just wanted to understand a little bit more than i do now
[19:50] <inetpro> no
[19:50] <inetpro> don't go there
[19:50] <Kilos> ok
[19:50] <inetpro> just use it
[19:51] <Kilos> ok
[19:51] <magespawn> perhaps this can help http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/wiki.htm
[19:51] <Kilos> magespawn  are you applying?
[19:51] <magespawn> that was the idea
[19:51] <inetpro> magespawn: when?
[19:51] <Kilos> pull old strydom with you
[19:51] <magespawn> lol
[19:52] <magespawn> i will need to do my page first, and redo my gpg key, gather some testimonials etc
[19:52] <Kilos> well dont just sit there, do it
[19:53] <Kilos> we have a how to for the gpg thing somewhere
[19:54] <magespawn> no worries Kilos, i think i might have found it
[19:54] <Kilos> bottom of current activities on trello
[19:54] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[19:55] <Kilos> i think mofkop simplified it
[19:55] <highvoltage> hey :)
[19:56] <highvoltage> magespawn: current website doesn't have a database, people can edit it and submit changes on github
[19:56] <inetpro> superfly: have you had a chance to update the site yet?
[19:56] <superfly> no, sorry
[19:57] <inetpro> highvoltage: sorry for waking you up :-)
[19:58] <highvoltage> I'm way past that point, heading to bed in a min
[19:58] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:59] <magespawn> highvoltage: i thought it was bzr for the ubuntu-za.org site, are we talking about the same site?
[20:00] <highvoltage> magespawn: oh yes, indeed, bzr and on launchpad (I really need that sleep hehe)
[20:00] <highvoltage> magespawn: same concept, at least
[20:00] <Kilos> lol
[20:03] <magespawn> indeed, that is why iam not doing that application now
[20:03] <Kilos> haha
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: in summary
[20:06] <inetpro> maintaining a static site is very easy but the process to update content requires time and effort 
[20:06] <inetpro> maintaining a wiki is a mission but the process to update content is a breeze 
[20:07] <Kilos> ah ty inetpro  
[20:08] <inetpro> Kilos: but you are more than welcome to try it for yourself
[20:08] <Kilos> nono
[20:08] <Kilos> im still trying to work out how to get content on a blank site
[20:09] <inetpro> ai!
[20:09] <Kilos> you are right ai!
[20:10] <Kilos> i can change headings and so on but its to get photos there or whatever they use fot all the stuffs
[20:11] <Kilos> like background wall paper and so on
[20:12] <Kilos> but dont worry now please ill try work it out
[20:12] <Kilos> just need to rtfs all over
[20:13] <inetpro> Kilos: are you talking about Nikola or about a real static site?
[20:14] <Kilos> nikola
[20:14] <inetpro> ok
[20:14] <Kilos> the trial site i made
[20:14] <inetpro> focus on the text as the absolute first thing
[20:15] <inetpro> look and feel can be changed afterwards
[20:15] <Kilos> the text on the not a blog page
[20:15] <Kilos> yo mopkop  
[20:15] <inetpro> wb mopkop
[20:16] <mopkop> Thank you!
[20:16] <mopkop> I just started trying this bug-report thingy, testing the new Unity :)
[20:16] <Kilos> lol
[20:16] <inetpro> bug-report thingy?
[20:17] <Kilos> ai!
[20:17] <mopkop> If there is one thing I am good at, it's breaking things. It turns out, there is use for such a talent :)
[20:17] <mopkop> https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/testing/
[20:17] <Kilos> lol
[20:18] <superfly> inetpro: done
[20:19] <inetpro> mopkop: ^^
[20:19] <inetpro> mopkop: your changes are alive
[20:19] <inetpro> see https://ubuntu-za.org/getting-involved.html
[20:19] <inetpro> thanks superfly!
[20:20] <mopkop> Thank you!
[20:22] <Kilos> well done mopkop  
[20:28] <magespawn> i am off, early start tomorrow, good night all
[20:28] <Kilos> night magespawn  
[20:29] <mopkop> Good night!
[20:44] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:44] <mopkop> Night Kilos!
[20:44] <Kilos> i go dream rtfs
[20:44] <Kilos> but not in caps
[20:45] <mopkop> Should I learn Vala? I hear it is very similar to c#?
[21:11] <superfly> :-( the fire has jumped the road and reached the houses
[21:15] <mopkop> Fire? Where? What happened!?
[21:35] <inetpro> superfly: eish!