[01:28] <bluesabre> ugh
[01:29] <bluesabre> libxfce4util is chilling in proposed and things are still building against whats in release
[01:29] <Unit193> Really?  That's odd.  Did it all build?
[01:30] <bluesabre> just noticed that desktop cleared really quick
[01:30] <bluesabre> http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/xfdesktop4
[01:30] <bluesabre> depends on libxfce4util6
[01:30] <bluesabre> not 7
[01:31] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfce4util
[01:31]  * bluesabre doesn't want to upload everything twice
[01:34]  * bluesabre guesses its locked in proposed since its not pre-acked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1424887
[01:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1424887 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Xfce 4.12 for Vivid" [Undecided,Triaged]
[03:31]  * bluesabre wonders how many xfce-4.12 packages will work in precise
[03:32]  * Unit193 isn't about to find out, and will be pointing to bluesabre when things break. :P
[03:32] <bluesabre> :D
[03:32] <Unit193> Precise is pretty dated, I don't touch that anymore if I can at all help it.  I'd not really recommend trying to do it either, but meh.
[03:32] <bluesabre> it turned out that precise was pretty handy for distcheck without deprecations over the weekend :)
[03:33] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[03:33] <Noskcaj-school> I don't have time to properly report the bug today, but in mousepad, opening multiple files at once will make blank grey boxes appear at the top and bottom of the window. I have the bottom statusbar on
[03:33] <Unit193> So, they all have a super outdated config.{guess|sub} ? :P
[03:33] <Noskcaj-school> mousepad 0.4.0
[03:33] <bluesabre> Noskcaj-school: good to know
[03:33] <bluesabre> Unit193: probably x.x
[03:34] <Noskcaj-school> bluesabre: Might be just gtk3. I'll hopefully have time to properly look into it tomorrow afternoon
[03:34] <Unit193> Yep, nevermind.  Leaving the autoreconf stuff in.
[03:34] <bluesabre> Noskcaj-school: cool, let me know
[03:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: :D
[03:34] <Noskcaj-school> Why do we want 4.12 on precise? shouldn't we be trying to point people to trusty for that?
[03:35] <bluesabre> Noskcaj-school: it'd only be for my benefit
[03:35] <Noskcaj-school> ok
[03:35] <Noskcaj-school> bluesabre: Did you have any issues with my 4.12 packages? How many still need uploading?
[03:35] <Unit193> Ahh, thought you might have been talking about the xfce-4.12 ppa. :P
[03:35] <Noskcaj-school> I didn't touch gtk2-engines-xfce since i don
[03:35] <Noskcaj-school> 't remember the responce for if we want gtk3
[03:36] <bluesabre> Noskcaj-school: your packages are fine, been uploading mostly to the xfce-4.12 ppa
[03:36] <bluesabre> trying to upload to the archive, but libxfce4util is stuck in proposed and things are just building with the older one
[03:36] <bluesabre> so putting that on hold momentarily
[03:38] <bluesabre> Unit193: I may upload for precise to that ppa as well, but I'll do testing in advance on a vm before going through with that
[03:38] <bluesabre> we should either update the packages for precise and drop the ones for precise we have in the ppa
[03:38] <bluesabre> second and should be or
[03:39] <bluesabre> :D
[03:39] <bluesabre> "update them and remove them!"
[03:39] <Unit193> Precise is nearly gone for Xubuntu, soo.
[03:39] <bluesabre> guess that was the first and after all
[03:39] <bluesabre> yeah
[03:40] <Unit193> I've been ignoring all but trusty in that one, and in others have been going either trusty/utopic/vivid, or utopic/vivid.
[03:40]  * bluesabre dumps 4.12 into trusty-4.12
[03:41] <bluesabre> still need to package exo 0.10.3 tonight/tomorrow
[03:42] <bluesabre> and package the engines for just the ppa (trusty/utopic/vivid)
[03:42] <Unit193> I did a slight update at some point.
[03:43] <bluesabre> yeah, saw your git patch
[03:43] <bluesabre> might just push that for now until I get around to it
[03:44] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.12/+builds?build_state=building :)
[03:45] <bluesabre> xfpm always wants to complicate things and fail on the first try :p
[03:47] <Unit193> Hah, well I meant the engines, but that works too. :P
[03:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: if you have them, upload them :)
[03:48] <Unit193> gtk2-engines-xfce_3.1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc outdated slightly, isn't it?
[03:49] <bluesabre> seems so
[03:49] <bluesabre> 08:21:19   SwissBot | ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: gtk-xfce-engine 2.10.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-gtk-xfce-engine-2-10-0-released-tp45527.html (by Peter de Ridder)               │         
[03:49] <bluesabre>                       │08:21:19   SwissBot | ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: gtk-xfce-engine 3.2.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-gtk-xfce-engine-3-2-0-released-tp45529.html (by Peter de Ridder)
[03:53] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:07] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, ali1234 bluesabre elfy I've moved my GTK2 build here - https://launchpad.net/~flexiondotorg/+archive/ubuntu/broken-software
[12:11] <ali1234> flexiondotorg: just installing it in a vm, i had to download i386
[12:11] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, ack
[12:52] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre bug 1427654 fyi
[12:52] <ubottu> bug 1427654 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Vivid) "FFE: switch system init to systemd [not touch] in 15.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427654
[12:54] <ochosi> oha, so finally – and naturally after FF – we switch to a new init system :]
[12:54] <elfy> ;)
[12:55] <ochosi> ali1234: btw, did you get to any conclusion regarding the ubiquity panel in the end? i got really distracted/busy with the 4.12 release so i didn't follow that anymore and am not sure about the status quo
[12:55] <elfy> still no movement from -releaseI guess
[12:55] <ali1234> ochosi: nothing changed on my end
[12:56] <ochosi> hm, so what was that again then? drop the panel? or make it set different struts?
[12:56] <ali1234> fix the panel
[12:56] <ochosi> that should be fairly uninvasive, no?
[12:56] <ochosi> i mean it's only a change in the struts, that's all
[12:57] <ochosi> (given that the panel always sits at the exact same position in the exact same height)
[12:58] <ochosi> lunchtime, bbiab
[13:24] <ali1234> flexiondotorg: yeah the panel crashed on login
[13:24] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, So we are agreed then? New GTK2 is busted.
[13:25] <ali1234> yeah but i already thought that
[13:25] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Yeah. I thought it to.
[13:25] <ali1234> it's crashing in the wrapper
[13:25] <ali1234> which is bad because i have no idea how that stuff works
[13:25] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, But we need to prove it. Now we both can.
[13:26] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, So I am not sure if I should try removing "suspect" upstream GTK2 commits first or start removing ubuntu patches.
[13:26] <ali1234> remove ubuntu patches first
[13:26] <ali1234> that's probably going to be easier
[13:26] <flexiondotorg> Sadly, I don't have a whole heap of time to dig into the GTK2 issue today.
[13:26] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, All of them or just some?
[13:26] <ali1234> all of them
[13:26] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[13:27]  * flexiondotorg goes to see if that is a quick job.
[13:27] <brainvvash> the report should be assigned to gtk then too
[13:28] <ali1234> the crasher is the notification area
[13:29] <ali1234> brainvvash: sounds like your bug
[13:30] <ali1234> hmm
[13:30] <brainvvash> toggling the compositor several times crashed hexchat
[13:30] <brainvvash> which has a tray icon
[13:30] <ali1234> restarting the panel jusrt crashed pidgin for me, after enabling the systray icon
[13:32] <ali1234> it's 100% reproducable
[18:33] <drc> Interesting, "About XFCE" says 4.10 while inixi -F says 4.12.
[18:34] <elfy> not here :)
[18:34] <drc> let me look again
[18:35] <elfy> I'm using vivid AND the staging PPA
[18:35] <drc> no ppa
[18:36] <elfy> that'll be why 
[18:36] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging?field.series_filter=vivid
[18:37] <drc> I was going to ask how stable it was...but hey, this is B1 anyway :)
[18:39] <elfy> :)
[18:39] <elfy> I've had one hiccup - but pretty sure that was to do with ANOTHER ppa :p
[18:44]  * drc holds breath and ....
[18:44] <drc> logout needed?
[18:45] <drc> going to anyway :)
[18:53] <drc> OK, OCD is satisfied, both say 4.12.
[19:12] <Unit193> ochosi: Yeah got pinged in -devel about systemd.
[19:13] <Unit193> drc: libxfce4util is stuck in proposed, else it'd be good there.
[19:14] <drc> when it comes unstuck, it comes unstuck...I'm assuming it'll flow down the pipe as usual?
[19:16] <Unit193> Should.
[19:58] <elfy> knome: did you get a chance to look at that poll? 
[20:15] <elfy> mmm - picked an odd bug in Thunar
[20:15] <elfy> can someone see if they get warnings when restoring something from trash please :)
[20:19] <Noskcaj> Is anyone here running mousepad 0.4?
[20:19] <elfy> yup
[20:19] <Unit193> Well, I didn't get it, but that's no surprise maybe since I haven't rebooted.
[20:20] <elfy> which ... 
[20:21] <elfy> Noskcaj: multiple files opened looks good here if that's what you're after http://i.imgur.com/LsOxTND.png
[20:22] <Noskcaj> http://i.imgur.com/IOporcN.png
[20:22] <Noskcaj> Are you on the gtk3?
[20:22] <drc> elfy: nope, restore works fine for me.
[20:23] <elfy> drc: and thunar version 1.6.6 ?
[20:23] <drc> yup
[20:23] <brainvvash_> restore works fine here too
[20:23] <elfy> Noskcaj: no idea - I'm on whatever I'd get from xubuntu + staging
[20:24] <Noskcaj> that should be gtk3
[20:24] <elfy> drc: never mind then and thanks brainvvash_ 
[20:24] <elfy> NOT reinstalling ... 
[20:24] <elfy> Noskcaj: then yes :)
[20:25] <Unit193> Checking the deps would confirm of course. :P
[20:26] <elfy> actually looking further it only appears to be things I've grabbed with bzr 
[20:27] <elfy> Unit193: yea it do that 
[20:28] <Unit193> elfy: What's your opinion about the new xfwm's feature with highlighting the windows in alt+tab?
[20:29] <elfy> I thought that was new ... 
[20:29] <elfy> couldn't be sure with this head of mine though :p
[20:30] <elfy> given the way I've got focus set up currently - it works for me 
[20:30] <elfy> but it could seem a bit full-on I suppose
[20:31] <Unit193> Mmm.  Alright, just as long as it's only me.  It's annoyed me enough for me to turn it off directly after upgrade, not mearly sit annoyed at it for weeks.
[20:34] <elfy> I'm only not annoyed as it's less annoying than losing focus as soon as I've alt+tabbed something 
[20:34] <knome> elfy, as we discussed yesterday, i'm pretty sure we can't get it to work as i'd want..
[20:34] <elfy> ok - I guessed so, fiddled a bit more with the existing one this evening
[20:35] <elfy> and drafted Thanks slide - https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/thanks
[20:36] <elfy> mmm
[20:37] <elfy> awesome 
[20:37] <knome> elfy, talking to yourself?
[20:37] <elfy> arranged icons on desktop ... 
[20:37] <elfy> bunch flew off to the left somewhere just beyond the edge
[20:38] <knome> :P
[20:39] <elfy> maybe I will be reinstalling again soon ... 
[20:41] <knome> have fun :P
[20:41] <knome> btw, i tried kvm inspired by you :D
[20:41] <elfy> :)
[20:41] <elfy> not as user friendly imo
[20:42] <elfy> took me 10 minutes to sort out where to attach an image ... 
[20:42] <knome> haha
[20:42] <knome> yeah...
[20:43] <elfy> knome: basically I did it so that if *we* get issues showing up in vbox I can confirm or deny in kvm - so if I'm in -release I've not just got vbox :D
[20:44] <knome> yep
[20:44] <knome> i was installing windows inside the kvm container though :D
[20:44] <elfy> heh
[20:44] <elfy> was it fun?
[20:46] <knome> quite a bit like installing to a hard drive from a dics
[20:46] <knome> though i installed it to a virtual environment from an ISO
[20:47] <elfy> ohhh
[20:47] <elfy> so this is weirder 
[20:47] <knome> what is? :)
[20:48] <elfy> changed the panel hide option
[20:48] <elfy> then desktop icon moved
[20:48] <knome> hmm
[20:48] <elfy> so I tried arranging them again
[20:48] <elfy> now they have ALL wandered off into the ether
[20:48] <elfy> and I can't get them back this time :p
[20:49] <knome> :P
[20:49] <elfy> mmmm
[20:49] <elfy> only have a few things on desktop - but I use them frequently
[21:28] <elfy> knome: so I can replicate the weirdness in an updated vm ... http://i.imgur.com/aJk4QUO.png
[21:29] <knome> hmm
[21:29] <knome> funny
[21:30] <elfy> that's with the staging ppa added 
[21:31] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre weirdness after arranging desktop icons ^^
[21:51] <slickymaster> knome, the idea with the installer is to each of us push to each branch, right?
[21:52] <knome> i don't mind where you push ;)
[21:52] <knome> but it's probably better to prepare it off the main branch
[21:52] <elfy> slickymaster: I assume you saw mine ^^
[21:53] <knome> at least until you have one of the slides complete
[21:53] <slickymaster> no elfy
[21:53] <slickymaster> can you post the link elfy?
[21:54] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/thanks
[21:54] <slickymaster> danka elfy 
[21:55] <elfy> the poll needs more than just my view obviously 
[21:55] <slickymaster> elfy, what's the meaning of your commit message? "chg to thanks"
[21:55] <slickymaster> changed?
[21:55] <elfy> yea
[21:55] <slickymaster> ahahahah
[21:57] <slickymaster> ok, I'll work on my branch also knome 
[21:57] <slickymaster> anyway, you're the only one you has the rights to push to main
[21:58] <knome> yep
[21:58] <knome> you can do MP's
[21:58] <slickymaster> yeah, but that's unecessary I think
[21:58] <knome> because you expect me to merge manually? :P
[21:59] <knome> no, please do MP's at least once you're done with all the content changes
[21:59] <knome> or if you want, once for each slide
[21:59] <slickymaster> no, what I was thinking is that at the end you cherry pick from my branch and from elfy's and push a final MP
[21:59] <knome> well
[21:59] <knome> i was just thinking that it's nicer to see the MP's and the diff's
[22:00] <knome> remember that i'm mostly poking non-content
[22:00] <slickymaster> ok, I'll do a proper MP
[22:00] <slickymaster> no problem knome 
[22:00] <knome> thanks
[22:00] <slickymaster> I targeting tomorrow - thursday the most
[22:01] <slickymaster> s/I/I'm
[22:01] <knome> mhm
[22:01] <knome> i'm not
[22:01] <elfy> knome: did mine - marked you reviewer
[22:01] <knome> elfy, ta
[22:01] <knome> will check it likely today then
[22:01] <slickymaster> knome, 'mhm'...
[22:01] <slickymaster> meaning...
[22:01] <knome> "ok"
[22:01] <slickymaster> not mumbling thrn
[22:01] <slickymaster> * then
[22:02] <slickymaster> ;)
[22:02] <knome> of course i'm mumbling, just to annoy you
[22:02] <elfy> ha
[22:02] <slickymaster> yeah, you do that :P
[22:02]  * knome puts a big bun in his mouth, mumbles very annoyingly and smiles wide
[22:02] <elfy> lol
[22:02] <slickymaster> that's quite a picture
[22:02] <knome> yes
[22:03]  * slickymaster will try no to check today's backlog
[22:03] <slickymaster> s/no/now
[22:03] <elfy> well I'm wandering off now 
[22:03] <slickymaster> good night elfy 
[22:03] <knome> it's going to be a take in my new movie "how to get slimy masters over the edge"
[22:03] <knome> nighty elfy 
[22:04] <elfy> ha ha 
[22:04] <elfy> nutty as fruitcakes the lot of you
[22:04] <knome> i prefer my nuts not in the fruitcake
[22:05] <knome> regardless the way you want to interpret that...