[05:49] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Is anyone planning to merge meta-gnome3?
[06:44] <darkxst> Noskcaj, not that I know of
[07:03] <Noskcaj> darkxst, i *think* i've merged it properly. ubuntu-to-new debdiff at http://pastebin.com/R3uWZCzg
[08:02] <darkxst> Noskcaj, not really sure I can review that without re-doing the whole merge ;(
[08:02] <darkxst> so I'll leave it for whoever sponsors (I don't have upload rights)
[08:14] <baastrup_> HI
[08:15] <baastrup_> my laptop suspend when lidt is closed eventhough I have an external screen connected
[08:15] <baastrup_> :-(
[08:15] <baastrup_> is this a known bug in 14.10?
[08:17] <JockeTF> baastrup_: Not idea, but you can change that in GNOME Tweak Tool.
[08:17] <JockeTF> *No
[08:20] <baastrup_> JockeTF: I tried to find it en gconf-edit but no luck
[08:20] <mgedmin> gnome-tweak-tool
[08:20] <mgedmin> or, if you really want a low-level tool, dconf-editor
[08:20] <mgedmin> gconf is deprecated (because it's inefficient: parsing hundreds of small .xml files is costly)
[08:21] <mgedmin> it's still there because not all apps have migrated to dconf yet
[08:21] <mgedmin> but gnome 3 is dconf across the board, afaik
[08:22] <baastrup_> gnome-tweak-tool: Suspend even if external monitor plugged in was set to off
[08:22] <baastrup_> seems like a bug...
[08:22] <baastrup_> hey
[08:24] <darkxst> baastrup_, I think it should default to on
[08:25] <baastrup_> hmm I tried both settings and the laptop suspend on both :-(
[08:25] <baastrup_> im running bumblebee as well dont know if that is a problem
[08:26] <baastrup_> where do i find the setting in dconf-editor?
[08:26] <darkxst> baastrup_, bumblebee is nothing more than a horrid hack, but in this case I doubt its causing the problem
[08:29] <darkxst> mgedmin, its actually the other way around, gsettings is the main tool now
[08:30] <darkxst> I don't think anything uses dconf directly anymore
[08:30] <mgedmin> I admit to not understanding the gsettings/dconf split
[08:30] <mgedmin> in any case, it's not gconf any more
[08:31] <mgedmin> so gconf-editor is not helpful for baastrup_
[08:31] <mgedmin> and there's no gsettings-editor, just dconf-editor
[08:31] <darkxst> mgedmin, gsettings is basically just a friendly wrapper around dconf I suppose you could say
[08:31] <darkxst> dconf-editor deals in gsettings, the name is likely from the legacy days
[08:31] <mgedmin> does it have configurable backends, dconf being one of them?
[08:32] <darkxst> mgedmin, I don't think so, dconf-editor speaks gsettings, glib translates that into dconf
[08:34]  * mgedmin finds http://askubuntu.com/questions/249887/gconf-dconf-gsettings-and-the-relationship-between-them and starts reading
[08:34] <baastrup> lid-close-ac-action overrules lid-close-suspend-with-external-monitor
[08:35] <baastrup> so
[08:35] <mgedmin> bug in code?
[08:35] <baastrup> I had to set lid-close-ac-action: nothing
[08:36] <baastrup> lid-close-suspend-with-external-monitor is not doing anything
[08:36] <baastrup> enven though i set it to treue
[08:36] <baastrup> it dones not supsned
[08:37] <darkxst> baastrup, file a bug ;) I'm off to get pizza ;)
[08:38] <mgedmin> who handles lid closure events in 14.10?  gnome-settings-daemon?  logind?
[08:38] <darkxst> mgedmin, both
[08:38] <darkxst> but g-s-d controls the settings
[08:38] <darkxst> logind the events (and some master settings)
[08:41] <darkxst> as in logind generates the events, g-s-d process them (but logind can also override that, with custom user settings)
[08:43] <darkxst> (since g-s-d is really per-user)
[08:44] <mgedmin> I could get rich and famous if I write a series of blog posts explaining how modern Linux works
[08:44] <mgedmin> "when you close the laptop LID the firmware emits an ACPI event that is processed by the kernel and sent to a userspace daemon ..."
[08:44] <mgedmin> and all these components change ALL THE TIME so I'll have a job for life!
[08:44] <mgedmin> oops, my blog has no ads so I won't get rich
[08:45] <darkxst> mgedmin, right, I was about to say, blogs don't make many rich ;)
[08:46] <baastrup> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1428037
[08:47] <darkxst> baastrup, use ubuntu-bug to file bugs, and also the correct package ]gnome-settings-daemon in this case.
[08:48] <darkxst> baastrup, I really doubt this is a kernel bug, you are clearly getting the lid-closed events!
[08:49] <baastrup> darkxst: ubuntu-bug will create a new bug right I just want to add files to this existing bug
[08:50] <darkxst> baastrup, apport-collect, but you need to change it to g-s-d first or it won't collect the right files
[08:50] <darkxst> change the bug that is
[08:50] <baastrup> darkxst: g-s-d?
[08:52] <mgedmin> "dconf is only the GSettings backend on Unix, on Windows things actually end up in the registry, and OS X has a native GSettings backend too."
[08:52] <mgedmin> so I was half-right about gsettings having different backends
[09:00]  * JockeTF gives mgedmin tons of "You're the one millionth visitor!", "Meet Russian Girls", "Single mother discovers a weird trick for weight loss that doctors hate", "Your computer has registry errors", and "PLAY NOW / DOWNLOAD NOW" ads for his blog.
[09:01] <JockeTF> All of them animated.
[09:01] <JockeTF> Plus sounds.
[09:01]  * mgedmin has adblock so doesn't see any of them
[09:02] <JockeTF> mgedmin: No, but you'll get rich!
[09:02] <JockeTF> You're welcome!
[09:22] <baastrup> what version of evolution and evolution-ews will be in 15.04?
[09:28] <mgedmin> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=evolution says 3.12.11
[09:32] <baastrup> mgedmin: :-(
[09:33] <mgedmin> I expect 3.14 will appear in the ppa at some point after the release of 15.04
[09:35] <darkxst> might be a little late to get it into the archives though
[09:37] <baastrup> hope they wont forget it, im a big fan og evolution and ews
[09:38] <darkxst> baastrup, we are in feature freeze now, and evolution seems to have developed their own independent release cycle ;(
[09:39] <baastrup> noooo
[09:39] <baastrup> evolution is the one and only ews/exchange app for linux
[09:41] <darkxst> baastrup, we will package it on the gnome3 ppa
[09:42] <darkxst> and it will probably land early in 15.10 cycle
[09:43] <darkxst> baastrup, or you can package it, and I will sponsor it to the ppa ;)
[09:44] <baastrup> darkxst: im not good enough to do that
[09:45] <darkxst> baastrup, could learn;) we're here to help
[11:01] <baastrup> another qyestion
[11:01] <baastrup> when I modprobe nvidia drivers shoulden it modprobe nvidia-uvm as well ?