[03:46] <Symmetria> sup ;p
[04:26] <barrydk> More almal
[05:45] <Kilos> morning barrydk  mazal  inetpro  nlsthzn_  and others
[05:46] <mazal> More oom
[05:55] <stickyboy> Kilos: OOM also means Out of Memory... when the Linux kernel runs out of RAM and has to kill stuff. :)
[05:55] <mazal> lol
[05:55] <Kilos> lol ya thats me for definite stickyboy  good morning
[05:58] <stickyboy> Morning
[05:58] <stickyboy> Trying to get quotes for some RAID controller parts.
[05:59] <stickyboy> And the supplier sent a quote for something... similar... but not right.
[05:59] <stickyboy> Always gets tricky from there!
[05:59] <Kilos> speak to Symmetria  
[05:59] <Kilos> or is he your competition
[06:06] <stickyboy> Kilos: Nope.
[06:07] <stickyboy> I don't have any competition. :P
[06:07] <Kilos> lol
[06:08] <Kilos> look in all your stuff thats in the discard bin after upgrading, im looking for a scsi controller card thing so i can play and learn a bit more
[06:10] <Kilos> i have a scsi drive to play with 
[07:25] <Padroni> Morning
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:44] <mopkop> Good Morning all!
[08:04] <Padroni> how are you all this morning?
[08:04] <Padroni> Had the hottest day in 100 years in CT yesterday :/
[08:06] <mopkop> Good morning Padroni! Here the weather is very nice! What was the temp?
[08:07] <Padroni> 42 here by me
[08:07] <Padroni> 45 in Paarl, aparently
[08:07] <Padroni> i almost died in my office from heat stroke
[08:08] <mopkop> How do you regulate your temperature in such heat?
[08:08] <mopkop> I hope it doesn't blow this way.
[08:08] <Padroni> gale-force winds the previous day
[08:08] <Padroni> no wind yesterday
[08:08] <Padroni> in my office?
[08:08] <Padroni> I have a fan
[08:08] <Padroni> fighting a losing battle at that, but still
[08:09] <Padroni> I have a aircon but it is noisy 
[08:09] <Padroni> so I do not use it
[08:09] <mopkop> I can imagine the fan doesn't do much in this heat...
[08:13] <Padroni> it rearranges the dust
[08:13] <Padroni> but that is all
[08:13] <Padroni> that is the other thing
[08:14] <Padroni> this wind blows in SO MUCH DUST it is unbelievable
[08:14] <Padroni> I am getting tired of wiping down my computers and monitors
[08:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:46] <mopkop> Good morning inetpro!
[08:47] <mopkop> So I fixed that irritating menu overlay on the website.
[08:47] <mopkop> I proposed a merge, but after that I made a small adjustment. Should I propose the merge again?
[08:50] <inetpro> superfly: ^^ ?
[08:50]  * inetpro not sure
[08:57] <superfly> yes, there's a "resubmit" link on the right
[08:58] <inetpro> ah, thanks superfly
[08:58] <inetpro> mopkop: see that ^^ ?
[08:59] <mopkop> I see! Done. Ready for review :)
[09:02] <Padroni> make the links to social media target="_blank"
[09:02] <Padroni> else it loads in the current window and takes you away from the site
[09:03] <Padroni> Example: change this: <a href="https://twitter.com/ubuntuza"><span class="fa fa-twitter fa-fw"></span> Twitter</a>
[09:03] <Padroni> to this
[09:03] <Padroni> <a href="https://twitter.com/ubuntuza" target="_blank"><span class="fa fa-twitter fa-fw"></span> Twitter</a>
[09:04]  * inetpro just uses middleclick for opening links in tabs
[09:05]  * Padroni shakes head
[09:05] <Padroni> Nevermind then.
[09:05] <inetpro> Padroni: fix it :-)
[09:05] <mopkop> I agree with Padroni. 
[09:06] <inetpro> mopkop: please change it while you're at it
[09:09] <mopkop> Ok.
[09:10] <mopkop> Doing it in NIkola is a bit more difficult than simply editing the html. Or at least until I figure out how :?
[09:11] <Padroni> This is why I refuse to use Nikola.
[09:11] <Padroni> Or get involved with this site.  I can edit code quicker in notepad.
[09:12] <mopkop> Yes, but you'll have to edit it for every page.
[09:14] <mopkop> Good morning magellanic!
[09:14] <magellanic> heya :)
[09:15] <superfly> Padroni: 1995 called, they want their _blank back
[09:15] <mopkop> lol
[09:15] <Padroni> Like I said : nevermind.
[09:16] <inetpro> ai!
[09:21] <andrewlsd> 2
[09:21] <inetpro> 1
[09:22] <inetpro> wb andrewlsd
[09:22] <andrewlsd> hehe. slip of the finger.
[09:22] <andrewlsd> ty inetpro.
[09:22] <andrewlsd> Hello all.
[09:23] <mopkop> Hello andrewlsd!
[09:24] <magellanic> at least not 40C today andrewlsd
[09:24] <magellanic> :)
[09:24] <andrewlsd> yip. was 46 in Durbanville yesterday. First time in ages that the air temperature was burning my skin even in the shade.
[09:25] <andrewlsd> crazily, my pool was 20
[09:25] <andrewlsd> ... so half in pool: lower half aching from cold, upper half burning from heat.
[09:25] <magellanic> yeah it was a record breaking day for Cpt I believe
[09:26] <andrewlsd> magellanic, yes, so I hear. Although Cape Town usually has 1 or two days per year where it reaches 40. Usually Feb.
[09:26] <andrewlsd> temp usually measured at CT airport, so CBD is usually couple of degrees warmer.
[09:27] <andrewlsd> coz it's a topographical 'bowl'
[09:27] <magellanic> yeah
[09:28] <andrewlsd> it's started raining today. so that's super news for the firefighters, most of which are volunteers (http://www.vws.org.za)
[09:28] <magellanic> glad, shame they are still battling those fires
[09:28] <andrewlsd> ... in other news... not sure what is going to happen this weekend, since the @CycleTourSA is due to happen on Sunday and it pretty much traverses the area affected by the fires.
[09:34]  * andrewlsd lurks
[09:37] <magellanic> wish them luck, I need a relaxing weekend.., may go checkout the ctpug meet
[09:39] <inetpro> are these fires as bad as this one every year or was this one more hectic than other years?
[09:40] <magellanic> this one was worse, terms of ground coverage, I think
[09:42] <andrewlsd> +1 magellanic
[09:52] <superfly> the last fire that was nearly this bad was 12 years ago
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> so for anyone who may have been considering purchasing from the orange store, please spare yourself the pain and just don't
[09:53] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: eh?
[09:53] <superfly> For the most part I've only heard good. What happened?
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> purchasing isn't so bad, but when you need to return a phone, you are in for a world of pain
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> the wife's touchscreen became unresponsive, about the top 1.5cm or so
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> seems to be a known issue with the model as far as i can tell
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> took about a month to have it "repaired" and sent back, same issue
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> after much nagging, got them to have a courier collect the phone, wasn't going to pay to send it to them again
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> they eventually agree that they will replace the phone since the repair wasn't successful
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> except when the phone arrives they decide no, they will try the repair again
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> eventually she calls me yesterday. she has the phone, what is the problem, she wants to test the phone before sending it back
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> explain the problem, she tests, reports its is working perfectly
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> you already know how this story ends...
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> thankfully they are based in jhb or it might've ended with me in prison
[09:57] <confluency> "working perfectly" = "I couldn't be arsed to read your actual complaint, so I looked at it for five seconds and it looks fine"?
[09:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> this has been a 2 month process of begging and nagging every. single. day.
[09:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes exactly
[09:57] <confluency> Ahhhh, I've heard this song before.
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> her latest reply is "oh then is must be a software issue, please ensure the software is up-to-date"
[09:58] <confluency> (But with oven hotplates.)
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i would get a screen off ebay and do it myself, but there's reports that people who've tried that have had the problem persist :-/
[09:59] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: which phone is that?
[09:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> so caveat emptor, is all I'm saying
[09:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> sony xperia sp
[09:59] <superfly> ah, OK
[09:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://www.google.co.za/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sony%20xperia%20sp%20part%20of%20screen%20unresponsive
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> I emailed the complaints dept of the national consumer council who are supposed to be guardians of the CPA, but I'm not going to hold my breath
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> I suspect Sony ZA will tell me to get lost as these are actually grey imports
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> hopefully my Moto G doesn't break down
[10:03] <superfly> You should be able to take it to SonyZA, but they will might you pay for it
[10:03] <superfly> *might make
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe I should just try them
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> nothing to lose
[10:06] <TinuvaMac> i have nothing but good stuff to say about my sony xperia
[10:07] <TinuvaMac> its a z1 compact though
[10:07] <TinuvaMac> love this phone
[10:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, the phone is great, it's Orange SA's service that is shockingly bad
[10:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> it has a fault, it happens
[10:08] <TinuvaMac> ah yes ofc
[10:14] <highvoltage> ThatGraemeGuy: ah that's good to know, I was considering buying from ogange SA
[10:16] <superfly> Like I said, I know a couple of people who haven't had any issues. But I don't think they've needed to return anything.
[10:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah the purchase process is not an issue
[10:24] <Squirm> Hello
[10:25] <superfly> hey Squirm, surviving?
[10:26] <Squirm> superfly: Being smoked out a bit
[10:26] <Squirm> Well, I'm ok, because I'm in an office. But the guys have closed a few warehouse doors
[10:26] <mopkop> Hello Squirm!
[10:27] <Squirm> superfly: are you based on Capricorn side of Muizenberg?
[10:27] <mopkop> Apparently it is impossible to do the target="_blank" in the menu items with nikola.
[10:42] <andrewlsd> Hi peeps, any of you folks "steam" users. I've never been a gamer :-(   but am thinking of having a look at Steam. Any thoughts, gotcha's, etc would be appreciated.
[10:54] <Squirm> andrewlsd: not really
[10:54] <Squirm> It just likes updating a lot
[10:55] <andrewlsd> Squirm: I see that. ;-(
[11:04] <magellanic> andrewlsd: I haven't used it either (also not a gamer), but heard good things about it
[11:07] <andrewlsd> just getting my first steam game now. 10GB. 
[11:07] <andrewlsd> flip, that'll take days....
[11:15] <magellanic> :p
[11:15] <magellanic> which game?
[11:15] <andrewlsd> War Thunder (72MB of 9.7GB downloaded) 
[11:15]  * andrewlsd thinks a smaller game would have been better to start with
[11:15] <andrewlsd> any suggestions for a quick (small) game to try?
[11:15] <magellanic> can't you stop and resume it
[11:17] <magellanic> we are steam partners, but I don't what that means yet :p
[11:19] <TinuvaMac> you can pause steam games
[11:19] <TinuvaMac> you can even schedule it to only downloads from like midnight to 6am if you want
[11:23] <andrewlsd> ... it looked like you can schedule it to only download "updates" during certain time periods. but not schedule a new game download
[11:24] <Kilos> power just came back on
[11:24] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[11:24] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos, wb
[11:25] <Kilos> ty
[11:31] <mopkop> Hello Kilos!
[11:37] <mopkop> Can we perhaps move the social links on the website to the footer? On Trello I put an example of how it would look like.
[11:38] <Kilosyou> you need to talk to inetpro  and superfly  about that lad
[11:39] <Padroni> hi Kilosyou
[11:40] <Kilosyou> hi Padroni  
[11:40] <Kilosyou> mopkop  exlpain here why you think it will be better and let them decide
[11:41] <Kilosyou> maybe put your thoughts in a comment in trello too
[11:41] <mopkop> Ok :)
[11:42] <mopkop> It's really just because the top menu looks overpopulated.
[11:42] <mopkop> It is this overpopulation that caused the overlay problem.
[11:42] <mopkop> Also, I think it looks better on the bottom.
[11:43] <mopkop> And I can add target="_blank" to it :)
[11:43] <mopkop> Which is the reason I tried to do it in the first place.
[11:44] <Kilosyou> what happened my nick
[11:52] <inetpro> mopkop: what do you mean with it's overpopulated?
[11:53] <mopkop> inetpro: Too much menu Items.
[11:53] <mopkop> Go to the current website and resize the width to about 900px
[11:54] <inetpro> it wraps at 900px width
[11:54] <mopkop> Yes, try to read the top text now.
[11:54] <inetpro> I can read it
[11:55] <mopkop> Does'nt the forum menu go to the next line?
[11:56] <mopkop> Try the 'Getting started' page.
[11:56] <mopkop> It is this problem I fixed with the merge I proposed.
[11:56] <inetpro> oh yes, I see what you mean... when going to 'Getting Started'
[11:57] <mopkop> But it would be better if we just make the menu smaller.
[11:58] <inetpro> change Getting Started to Get Started and Getting Involved to Get Involved
[11:58] <superfly> Or, stop adding so many pages.
[11:58] <superfly> I wanted like a 1 page site.
[11:59] <superfly> I don't want to sit with the same problem I've had for like the last 8 years... a big fat website on my hands, and no one wants to help me maintain it. No thank you.
[11:59] <Kilos> hi mage
[11:59] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[11:59] <Kilos> magespawn  too
[12:00] <mopkop> Hello magespawn!
[12:00] <magespawn> i accept that as a shortening 
[12:00] <magespawn> hi mopkop 
[12:00] <Kilos> hehe
[12:03] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... at least we already have like 4 or 5 people involved again but I agree we should perhaps cut down on content 
[12:03] <inetpro> doing the Nikola thing is fun at this point
[12:06] <inetpro> mopkop: perhaps 'LoCo Links' should become just 'Links' as well and then add the social media items in the same list
[12:08] <mopkop> Changing 'getting' to 'get' works, but The logo is still on a separate line.
[12:09] <mopkop> There is another reason I wish the Social links to be at the bottom. Actually a few reasons. 
[12:09] <mopkop> For one, it whould be nice if you clicked it and it opens in a new tab. Nikola doesn't allow this with menu links.
[12:11] <mopkop> Perhaps I can do both, But the links menu-list should not be too long.
[12:42] <inetpro> Maaz: is http://www.ubuntu.com/ up?
[12:42] <Maaz> inetpro: Yes, http://www.ubuntu.com/ is up
[12:42] <inetpro> Maaz: is https://www.ubuntu.com/ up?
[12:43] <Maaz> inetpro: No, https://www.ubuntu.com/ is down (Server is not responding)
[12:43] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:49] <mopkop> wierd...                                                    
[12:49] <mopkop> https://code.launchpad.net/~prysdieheer/ubuntu-za/menu-revisions - incase anyone wanted to test the changes. I'm not going to propose a merge yet, it's just to compare
[12:49] <mopkop> bzr branch lp:~prysdieheer/ubuntu-za/menu-revisions
[12:50] <inetpro> mopkop: good idea... I'll check later
[12:51] <inetpro> Kilos: check it so long on your side
[12:51] <inetpro> and anyone else for that matter
[13:27]  * andrewlsd returns
[13:27] <mopkop> Welcome back!
[13:27] <andrewlsd> any lucky peeps here already ordered an Ubuntu Phone?
[13:28] <magellanic> not me
[14:12] <andrewlsd> cheerio folks
[15:32] <inetpro> ai!
[15:32] <inetpro> somebody ate my cheese
[15:33] <Kilos> lol
[15:33] <Kilos> at home or at work?
[15:52] <Kilos> lol nlsthzn_  i see the UAE has a cricket team at the world cup
[15:54] <Kilos> inetpro  what are you breaking again
[15:54] <Kilos> no wonder they stole your cheese
[16:27] <Kilos> hi clr  mopkop  
[16:28] <mopkop> Hello again...
[16:51] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm here, you need something?
[16:52] <Kilos> nope ty i just saw you all part/join
[16:56] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:56] <inetpro> mopkop: you completely removed social media links at the top now?
[16:57] <mopkop> Yes. Or do you think I should but it in the links?
[16:58] <inetpro> not sure what other think but I kinda like it at the top and bottom
[16:59] <inetpro> others
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:05] <inetpro> definitily looks better with less menu choices at the top
[17:06] <inetpro> do we really need 'Home' when the logo takes us home?
[17:11] <mopkop> Yea, I think we can remove it too. What do you guys think?
[17:14]  * inetpro likes it without 'Home' and with just 'Links' and 'Social'
[17:15]  * inetpro will wait for others to chime in
[17:19] <inetpro> Forums should actually fall under Links as well if you ask me
[17:19] <mopkop> Noted.
[17:20] <inetpro> and then 'Ask Ubuntu' http://askubuntu.com/ as well
[17:20] <mopkop> But it's not really part of the Loco.
[17:20] <mopkop> Maybe we should make a 'help' menu for these 2 links.
[17:20] <inetpro> hmm,,,
[17:48] <mopkop> Pushed the changes. You can update the branch now.
[17:48] <mopkop> On your computer I mean.
[17:48] <mopkop> And check out the changes.
[17:58] <magespawn> good evening
[18:04] <inetpro> mopkop: nice!
[18:13] <mopkop> Evening magespawn
[18:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:15] <Kilos> looks fine to me mopkop  
[18:21] <inetpro> uh, be a bit more critical man
[18:22] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <Kilos> i like the twit place and fb at the bottom
[18:22] <inetpro> we prefer your honest opinion Kilos :-)
[18:24] <Kilos> i have liked the site from the begiining and now it looks a bit better imo. i dont enjoy all sites making that social stuff very prominent
[18:24] <Kilos> but you have to convince the fly not me
[18:25] <mopkop> superfly?
[18:25] <mopkop> What do you think?
[18:29] <superfly> people always want to know your Fakebook page, etc, so in this day and age, it is important to make them prominent.
[18:30] <superfly> most of OpenLP's PR is done via Facebook. We post news on our site, but then push it through to Facebook, Twitter and Google+
[18:30]  * inetpro also feels the social media links should be quite prominent
[18:31] <inetpro> superfly: how do you like the Help links?
[18:31] <Kilos> i accept your decisions, just im not a fb twitter fan like others
[18:32] <Kilos> my own opinion
[18:32] <superfly> As I said before, the simpler the site the better, but I don't have time to look at this right now. I have work to do on DebConf16
[18:33] <mopkop> Hmm, both then?
[18:33] <inetpro> ai!
[18:33] <inetpro> mopkop: we don't have to rush the updates anyway
[18:34] <Kilos> patience is a virtue
[18:34] <mopkop> Yes,  no rush :)
[18:36] <inetpro> superfly: what do you have to do now about DebConf16?
[18:36] <superfly> inetpro: everything!
[18:37] <superfly> well, not quite, but I've got some things I need to get done before out meeting at 9:30
[18:37] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[18:37] <Kilos> dont nag my fly
[18:38] <Kilos> Padroni  you still here so late?
[18:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:38] <inetpro> superfly: meetings online on IRC or physical?
[18:38] <superfly> IRC
[18:38] <inetpro> Kilos: nagging, what's that?
[18:39] <Kilos> hee hee that thing you so good at
[18:39] <Kilos> RTFS
[18:40] <inetpro> ai!
[18:42] <Kilos> lol
[18:42] <Kilos> gotcha
[18:43] <Kilos> i havent even looked at other drives for about 2 months now
[18:59] <Kilos> hi qwebirc7065  
[18:59] <Padroni> I am here
[18:59] <Padroni> What's up?
[18:59] <Kilos> not much you just been quiet
[19:00] <Padroni> I switch between working and playing Warthunder
[19:00] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:00] <Kilos> is it an online game or can you play locally
[19:07] <Padroni> online
[19:07] <Padroni> you play against people all over the world
[19:07] <Kilos> ah thats why i didnt go for it a while back when i read about it
[19:07] <Padroni> in this last match, i was targeting a russian driving a german tank
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:08] <Padroni> I was driving a IS-2 (russian)
[19:41] <mopkop> Good night everyone!
[19:44] <inetpro> uh
[19:45] <inetpro> why so quiet here?
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm talking to you
[19:45] <Kilos> sorry
[19:45] <inetpro> and Padroni
[19:45] <inetpro> and all the others
[19:45] <Padroni> I am working / playing game
[19:46] <Kilos> i busy making a new shorter extension cord for here
[19:46] <Kilos> no need for 5m cable when 3 is enough
[20:00] <magespawn> power cable Kilos?
[20:01] <Kilos> yeah
[20:02] <magespawn> i think it is about bedtime for me
[20:02] <Kilos> me too i think
[20:02] <inetpro> me too
[20:02] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[20:02] <inetpro> goeie nag
[20:02] <magespawn> good night
[20:02] <Kilos> lekker slaap julle
[20:19] <Padroni> Nite