[03:46] <xubuntu31w> Hello?
[03:46] <holstein> xubuntu31w: hey
[03:47] <xubuntu31w> I am a serious newbie, Can you help me?
[03:47] <holstein> xubuntu31w: no way to know, til you ask
[03:47] <xubuntu31w> Cool....
[03:48] <xubuntu31w> I have installed Xubuntu 12.04 on an old Gateway laptop, Ran ok until I activated the wireless internet driver, It asked me to reboot, I did so, It won
[03:48] <xubuntu31w> It won't reboot, just stuck.
[03:49] <xubuntu31w> Did I do somthing wrong?
[03:50] <holstein> xubuntu31w: i have no idea what you did, but, i dont have enough information to diagnose what is done wrong by whom
[03:50] <holstein> xubuntu31w: personally, i would just test the hard drive, and other hardware.. since, it could be an older machine
[03:50] <holstein> i would also consider using 14.04..
[03:50] <holstein> !14.04
[03:51] <xubuntu31w> I tried 14 but it didn't work.  I was going to upgrade, but Kablam!
[03:51] <xubuntu31w> Should I just reinstall the system?
[03:53] <holstein> xubuntu31w: i dont know, friend.. again, i dont have enough information to go on.. i already suggested testing the hard drive.. not sure how else to imply thats what i would do, and that i think would be a good use of your time
[03:53] <xubuntu31w> How do you test a hard drive?
[03:54] <holstein> some machiens have tests in the bios.. it still looks like this mostly in ubuntu http://linuxhub.net/2010/09/scan-your-hard-disk-with-gsmartcontrol-on-ubuntu-10-10/
[03:54] <holstein> though, there are many ways.
[03:56] <xubuntu31w> Can I boot from this program?
[03:57] <holstein> xubuntu31w: you would use a live iso, and test the hardware.. but dont over think it.. if its too much for you to take on.. just keep tryihng things
[03:57] <holstein> xubuntu31w: if you literaly just installed, then, yo udont have any data to worry about.. i say, install 14.04
[03:58] <xubuntu31w> Thanks for your help.  I'll try a 14 again.
[05:00] <jobzy> whats the diff between 14.04 14.04.1 and 14.04.2
[05:00] <holstein> jobzy: updates.. 14.04.2 for example, *is* 14.04.. with the updates applied
[05:01] <holstein> you can download a 14.04 iso now that is up to date..
[05:01] <jobzy> ah okj
[05:01] <jobzy> ok*
[05:01] <jobzy> thanks
[05:05] <xubuntu466> which are the requirements to run xubuntu?
[05:05] <bynarie> xubuntu466, can u read this?
[05:05] <xubuntu466> yes
[05:05] <bynarie> oh ok
[05:06] <bynarie> well what type of system do you have xubuntu466
[05:06] <xubuntu466> actually Im trying different types of ubuntu distros
[05:06] <xubuntu466> but Ive tried ubuntu and it didnt work very well
[05:07] <xubuntu466> when I try to open for example mozilla, the computer freezes
[05:07] <bynarie> im using xubuntu just because i like xfce, but all ubuntu distros are exactly the same just with different desktops (xubuntu,kubuntu,lubuntu)
[05:07] <bynarie> regular ubuntu with the unity desktop is god ugly
[05:08] <Enkidu_ak> Is there an alternative to USC for Xubuntu? I'm looking for an apt worker similar to qapt, that can install and resolve dependencies in a single step, but isn't as bloated and slow as USC and doesn't require me to install kde-base
[05:08] <cfhowlett> Enkidu_ak, just use apt-get commands
[05:08] <xubuntu466> My pc is an pentium 4 with 2gb of ram and a nvidia gforce 6200. Which distro recommend you?
[05:08] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, xubuntu or lubuntu
[05:08] <holstein> Enkidu_ak: synaptic?
[05:09] <bynarie> xubuntu466, thats lubuntu
[05:09] <cfhowlett> !lubuntu | xubuntu466
[05:09] <bynarie> sorry didnt mean to say "thats lubuntu"
[05:09] <holstein> xubuntu466: xubuntu.. this is the xubuntu channel ;) ..you can try them all live and see
[05:09] <xubuntu466> ah ok sorry
[05:10] <bynarie> xubuntu definitely looks better but i think lxde is lighter
[05:10] <xubuntu466> ok guys thanks!
[05:10] <xubuntu466> Ill try both, xubuntu and lubuntu
[05:10] <bynarie> there u go
[05:10] <xubuntu466> actually xubuntu is installing right now
[05:10] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466,  for example: install lubuntu.  but to test other DE (NOT the full distro), sudo apt-get install kde-plasma xfce4 lxde
[05:10] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, then logout/choose alternate session/login
[05:10] <bynarie> yes, thats a good idea
[05:11] <bynarie> just install the desktop env, not the entire distro
[05:11] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, when you find one you like, THEN you can install the full distro with, for example, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[05:11] <xubuntu466> *.*
[05:12] <xubuntu466> I didnt know that xD
[05:12] <xubuntu466> Im new user of this OS
[05:12] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, most people don't know that.
[05:12] <Unit193> Some people wouldn't recommend that as much though. :P
[05:12] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, well, you have a small learning curve ahead, but nothing you can't handle.  are you a windows or OSX refugee?
[05:12] <bynarie> well, when u do "apt install xubuntu-desktop" its different than "apt install xfce4"
[05:13] <bynarie> same desktop just different settings and whatnot
[05:13] <xubuntu466> Im a regular windows user
[05:13] <bynarie> looks a little diff
[05:13] <xubuntu466> my entire life with windows, but now that I start the college our teachers of computer science told us to try Ubuntu
[05:14] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, Welcome!  And a suggestion: www.fullcirclemagazin.org/downloads.  get issue #0.  read.  Get issue #1.  read.  repeat
[05:14] <xubuntu466> ty bynarie!
[05:14] <bynarie> xubuntu466, why did they recommend ubuntu over another distro? ease of use or somethin?
[05:14] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, what college?
[05:15] <xubuntu466> actually they didnt told ubuntu specifically
[05:15] <xubuntu466> just to try with any of those distros
[05:15] <bynarie> gotcha
[05:16] <xubuntu466> and something else
[05:16] <xubuntu466> Ive heard that ati and nvidia graphic cards
[05:16] <xubuntu466> have some problems with linux, is it true?
[05:16] <xubuntu466> because I have my doubts in ubuntu if is the OS or my graphic card
[05:16] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, lemme stop you there.  amd/ati is SLOWLY coming around on linus.  nvidia is much better supported
[05:17] <cfhowlett> *linux*
[05:17] <bynarie> could be true, depending on the card and drivers that are available
[05:17] <cfhowlett> bynarie, the newest cards tend to lag a bit on linux support.
[05:17] <bynarie> but like cfhowlett said, nvidia has much better support
[05:18] <xubuntu466> when I try to update or change the drives in the updates panel, it start updating but after a while all my pc freeze and I have to turn it down from the start botton
[05:18] <bynarie> cfhowlett, i thought i noticed some lag.. im running a geforce 770m and i tried to play counter-strike 1.6 thru steam, and was barely getting 50 fps, which makes no sense
[05:18] <cfhowlett> for example, I just purchased the Dell m3800 Developer Edition.  the nvidia driver makes this puppy fly!  and you can switch it off if not needed.
[05:19] <xubuntu466> mmm Understood
[05:20] <xubuntu466> and after I try sudo apt - get lubuntu desktop
[05:20] <xubuntu466> how do I return to xubuntu desktop?
[05:20] <bynarie> logout, change session, login
[05:20] <xubuntu466> just the same but sudo apt - get lubuntu desktop like this?
[05:21] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde
[05:21] <holstein> !info lubuntu-desktop
[05:21] <bynarie> "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"
[05:21] <holstein> which, works as well.. but, i say, just get lxde..
[05:21] <bynarie> just like that
[05:21] <xubuntu466> mmm ok guys, thank you a lot
[05:21] <bynarie> or "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[05:21] <xubuntu466> you have no idea how you help me!
[05:22] <cfhowlett> xubuntu466, happy2help!  good luck with the studies
[05:22] <xubuntu466> ty!
[05:23] <bynarie> xubuntu466, quick crash course - "apt-get install" installs, "apt-get remove" uninstalls, "apt-get --purge" uninstalls and deletes configs, "apt-cache search <packagename>" to search for packages
[05:24] <bynarie> if u download .DEB files directly, use "dpkg -i <filename>.deb" to install
[05:24] <bynarie> of course sudo is needed in front of these commands
[05:26] <bynarie> and "dpkg -r <packagename>" removes DEB installed packages
[05:26] <bynarie> but use apt-get if possible because of easy management
[05:26] <bynarie> crap i didnt even notice he left, sorry
[05:29] <klopsi-u3> hehe
[05:29] <klopsi-u3> im kind of scared to try the nvidia drivers since the nouveau work so reliably
[05:32] <cfhowlett> klopsi-u3, no requirement that you use nvidia ... but OEM support?  for me = win
[05:33] <klopsi-u3> !nvidia
[05:35] <klopsi-u3> !offtopic
[05:36] <cfhowlett> klopsi-u3, pro-tip.  you can read !factoids in private with   /msg ubottu !factoid
[05:37] <klopsi-u3> ok ty
[07:40] <Bwithmore19>  Guys i have a problem with new xfce 4.12 after i upgrade the stock xfce version in xubuntu 14.04 to 4.12 using xubuntu/dev ppa xfce4-appearance-settings is not working anymore and after five seconds i think the appearance setting is closing by it self
[07:54] <xangua> if the appearence settings was also updated by that repository you'd want to discuss with that PPA maintainer
[07:55] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: any useful output after starting xfce4-appearance-settings from the terminal?
[07:56] <Bwithmore19> yes
[07:56] <ochosi> pastebinit
[07:57] <Bwithmore19> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/522404b29bae8e8f5569
[07:57] <ochosi> hmm, ok
[07:59] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: do you mind pastebinning a list of themes/icons you have installed?
[07:59] <Bwithmore19> that output appearing after the appearance setting is crashing by it self
[07:59] <ochosi> i'm pretty sure that there is a faulty theme somewhere, but it really shouldn't crash the dialog
[08:01] <Bwithmore19> i need to reboot ochosi
[08:01] <Bwithmore19> w8 man
[08:08] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: so just do "ls /usr/share/icons" and pastebin that please
[08:09] <ochosi> also, if you have themes in ~/.themes, that would be important to know
[08:18] <Bwithmore19> w8 ochosi
[08:21] <Bwithmore19> ochosi: the output of ls /usr/share/icons https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c6467c985c81e3e16dc0
[08:22] <Bwithmore19> and i dont have themes on my ~/.themes
[08:22] <ochosi> you mean ~/.icons
[08:23] <ochosi> so one of the theme folders is the offender
[08:24] <ochosi> suggestion, you could move them to a different location one-by-one until the appearance dialog doesn't crash anymore
[08:24] <Bwithmore19> oh wait
[08:24] <Bwithmore19> ok man
[08:24] <ochosi> then we know which icon-theme causes the crash and i can investigate the issue
[08:25] <Bwithmore19> this from my ./icons home folder
[08:25] <Bwithmore19> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7e7ff54bd8a4ff926016
[08:25] <ochosi> wow, so even more :)
[08:25] <ochosi> well still, try to move them and we'll find out
[08:32] <klopsi-u3> hi Luyin nice to meet someone from hessen
[08:32] <Luyin> hi klopsi-u3
[08:57] <Bwithmore19> ochosi its not working
[08:57] <klopsi-u3> i dont understand ubuntu networking
[08:58] <klopsi-u3> wifi card driver is loaded, networkmanager sees the access point
[08:58] <klopsi-u3> sorry this probably isnt the right place
[09:01] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: you mean without having any icon themes there you still get the crash?
[09:16] <Luyin> klopsi-u3: no, better try #ubuntu
[09:37] <Bwithmore19> yes ochosi
[09:38] <Bwithmore19> you know the problem is i cannot  change everything in appearance setting and in any second the appearance setting will crash i dont know is that happen
[09:39] <Bwithmore19> even close it in her windows button dont work
[09:39] <Bwithmore19> thats the main problem
[09:40] <ochosi> i meant you should move the icon themes on your harddrive to a different location
[09:41] <ochosi> so that both /usr/share/icons only contains hicolor and ~/.icons is empty (or just rename ~/.icons to something else for testing)
[09:41] <Bwithmore19> ok i will try it
[09:43] <Bwithmore19> yes now its now working ochosi
[09:43] <ochosi> so what did you move exactly?
[09:43] <Bwithmore19> all of the icons
[09:44] <Bwithmore19> exept hicolor and locolor
[09:44] <ochosi> ok, then move them back one by one
[09:44] <Bwithmore19> yes that the one who go in my mind
[09:44] <ochosi> and after you've moved one, check whether appearance-settings still works
[09:44] <ochosi> until you've found the theme that crashes the dialog
[09:46] <Bwithmore19> man
[09:46] <Bwithmore19> thanks for this help
[09:46] <Bwithmore19> i will observe if this will happen again or another problem will appear ochosi
[09:47] <ochosi> well, as i said, move them back one by one...
[09:51] <Bwithmore19> i know what fucking icons is making my appearance to crash
[09:51] <Bwithmore19> setting
[09:53] <ochosi> so which one is itß
[09:53] <ochosi> ?
[09:54] <Bwithmore19> the mint-x dark
[09:55] <ochosi> could you please pastebin the index.theme file?
[09:55] <ochosi> (just run "pastebinit index.theme" in the terminal and paste the link here)
[09:56] <Bwithmore19> and mint-grey too
[09:56] <Bwithmore19> mint-x-grey
[10:00] <Bwithmore19> ochosi here https://gist.github.com/anonymous/100d59a43205bea55346
[10:04] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: thanks
[10:05] <Bwithmore19> what do you think xfce 4.12 is acting on that type of icons ochosi ?
[10:05] <cousteau> xdg-open and exo-open don't work on Xubuntu 12.04 (see  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1138143  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emacs24/+bug/1425972  https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11601 ) -- seems fixed, but how long will it take for it to make it into 12.04?
[10:07] <Bwithmore19> ochosi numix-bevel too and numix-circle-light
[10:08] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: it's just a bug, i'll try to reproduce it now
[10:08] <Bwithmore19> this bug needs to fix man
[10:08] <Bwithmore19> im using xfce 4.12 using xubuntu-dev/ppa
[10:09] <ochosi> yeah, it will be fixed
[10:09] <ochosi> however note that you're using that PPA at your own risk
[10:10] <Bwithmore19> ok man
[10:10] <cfhowlett> Bwithmore19, you're in a ppa.  ask them.  OR be patient and wait for it to be added to the repo.  bleeding edge frequently = bloody edge.
[10:10] <Bwithmore19> hehehe
[10:11] <ochosi> cfhowlett: "them"?
[10:11] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: works fine here with numix-circle-light btw
[10:12] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/AsgWahQ.png
[10:12] <Bwithmore19> why it making problems on my system ochosi ?
[10:12] <cfhowlett> ochosi, you know ... the magical ubuntu gnomes!
[10:13] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: probably because you're a bad person ;)
[10:13]  * ochosi has such amazing karma
[10:13] <Bwithmore19> WHAT !!!
[10:14] <ochosi> how did you install the mint-x themes?
[10:14] <ochosi> or where did you get them from?
[10:14] <Bwithmore19> in my linux mint 17.1 system and copy it to /usr/share/icons of xubuntu
[10:15] <cfhowlett> and you're using a ppa which, by definition, is experimental.
[10:16] <cfhowlett> xubuntu ain't mint.  mint ain't xubuntu.  mixing and matching distros is *always* an uncertain proposition
[10:16] <Bwithmore19> ok did you think i need to disable the xfce4-4.12 ppa
[10:17] <Bwithmore19> and wait for xfce 4.12 to go in main repo ?
[10:17] <ochosi> at least for now that is likely, or you just get rid of the offending icon themes
[10:17] <Bwithmore19> ok
[10:18] <ochosi> i'm installing mint-x now
[10:18] <ochosi> will try to reproduce your problem
[10:19] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: so that works as well... http://i.imgur.com/oP5MCpw.png
[10:22] <ochosi> Bwithmore19: could you please paste the output of "ls -Rl /usr/share/icons" ?
[10:24] <Bwithmore19> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ee3548a943b8cea36f04
[10:24] <Bwithmore19> ok i think the real problem in mint-x and numix working now
[10:24] <ochosi> wat?
[10:25] <ochosi> i thought you identified those themes as breaking the dialog?
[10:25] <Bwithmore19> numix-circle-light is not
[10:26] <ochosi> you're really confusing me over here, could you again tell me which themes break the dialog exactly and then please give me the output of "ls -Rl" for them?
[10:27] <Bwithmore19> ok man sorry for confusing you
[10:29] <ochosi> no worries
[10:29] <ochosi> gotta go grab some lunch, so i'll be afk for a bit
[10:29] <Bwithmore19> ok man i have to go
[10:29] <ochosi> please post your findings anyway, i'll read them when i'm back
[10:29] <Bwithmore19> i will just observing this
[10:35] <xubuntuformac> Hi I'm having trouble installing xubuntu 14.04 on a macbook late 2008, I believe I need a +mac installer because the mac is fairly old but I'm unable to find one
[10:35] <cfhowlett> !mac | xubuntuformac,
[10:36] <xubuntuformac> I've tried googling the issue and I've created a usb as well as a cd with xubuntu on it, i've installed efi boot and followed all the steps but it simply returns "cannot boot legacy OS"
[10:36] <xubuntuformac> the message tells me that some hard drives are not supported on older macs
[10:37] <xubuntuformac> I've also created a bootable USB that doesn't load
[10:37] <cfhowlett> xubuntuformac, best to contact someone from the ubuntu/mac team.  rarely are they in this channel ...
[10:37] <xubuntuformac> ok sorry
[10:37] <xubuntuformac> thank you
[10:37] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[13:17] <user__> Hello all,Please help me with the following: i type in terminal $ sudo su ,password and then $ cd ~/Downloads and i get no file found error
[13:18] <klopsi-u3> maybe because /root has no Downloads directory
[13:18] <user__> klopsi what do you suggest? move the file to another directory? which one if yes or what i can do,the file i need to install requires root access
[13:18] <klopsi-u3> you probably want to cd /home/$user/Downloads
[13:19] <user__> i tried and get no such file or directory
[13:19] <klopsi-u3> what is the user name you downloaded with?
[13:19] <user__> and i am in root@user:/home/user#
[13:20] <user__> same i am with now, xyzuser
[13:21] <klopsi-u3> your username is "user" or "xyzuser" or what?
[13:21] <user__> user
[13:22] <klopsi-u3> that is strange because by default there should be a /home/user/Downloads directory
[13:22] <dokoo> run pwd to check that you are still in your user's home directory
[13:23] <user__> is it possible that the problem is that i downloaded while using the private tab of the installed browser (defult ff that is with xubuntu)
[13:23] <user__> dokoo how do i go about running pwd? thank you
[13:23] <GridCube> that would just not log the download toff history
[13:24] <user__> so it's not the problem then Grid if i understand you correctly.
[13:24] <GridCube> user__: what problem do you seem to have?
[13:25] <user__> i would like to install a downloaded file,which requires to be installed under root,i then type in terminal sudo su,enter pwd,then can not move file with cd command
[13:25] <koegs> using "cd ~/Downloads" as root will lead to "/root/Downloads" instead of the User-Download-Dir
[13:25] <user__> instruction from installation is: Change directories to the directory that contains the Workstation installer file.
[13:25] <GridCube> ^ if you are as root
[13:26] <user__> i see koegs so how do i go about doing that meaning either moving the file to the root Downloads folder or?
[13:26] <GridCube> if you sudo su then your ~ is /root/ but you downloaded as user so users ~ is /home/username/
[13:26] <user__> ok
[13:26] <user__> and yes that is the case
[13:27] <user__> downloaded as user need to cd as root
[13:27] <GridCube> just cd /home/username/Downloads
[13:27] <GridCube> the file should be there
[13:27] <user__> also same error
[13:27] <user__> cannot find file
[13:27] <GridCube> do a locate
[13:27] <koegs> did you replace username with the "real username"?
[13:27] <user__> yes koegs and grid how do i do a locate please,will search for it now
[13:28] <GridCube> locate *filename*
[13:28] <user__> ok will try now long file name 2minutes thanks guys
[13:29] <koegs> you can also check the downloads in firefox, rightclick on the file and say "open target directory"
[13:29] <GridCube> user__: use * and just write a relevant part of the filename and * again
[13:29] <GridCube> koegs: not if he used private browsing
[13:29] <elfy> but if they've not updatedb then locate probably won't find it
[13:29] <user__> yes i did that grid and the file is in the /home/user/Downloads
[13:30] <user__> and yes i did download while using private browsing tab
[13:30] <GridCube> user__: then you copy that path
[13:31] <user__> please tell me how to do that grid?
[13:31] <GridCube> also user__ if you are tryng to run using something like ./install.sh make sure that install.sh is an executable file, chmod +x, also dont install stuff you are not sure are safe, also if you do you are on your own and we can't really help you after installing
[13:32] <GridCube> user__: select the text with the mouse and copy with the contextual menu
[13:32] <GridCube> or use tab completion to try to follow the path
[13:32] <user__> the file is VMware-Workstation-Full-version numbers.bundle
[13:33] <GridCube> just type VM and press tab
[13:33] <GridCube> it should autocomplete the filename
[13:34] <user__> if i got it right i typed in VM in terminal and tab but nothing
[13:34] <GridCube> are uyou in the corect directory?
[13:34] <dokoo> type /home/username/VM then tab
[13:35] <GridCube> cd to the correct directory and try again
[13:35] <GridCube> also remember that to execute something that is not installed you need to add ./ to it first, or the whole path to it
[13:36] <user__> thank you guys for trying sinceraly but still nothing happens
[13:37] <GridCube> is it an executable file user__ ?
[13:38] <user__> i believe that it is, if it means anything it is a .bundle file and it contains virtual machine (VMWare workstation)
[13:38] <user__> the instructions i got from https://pubs.vmware.com/workstation-9/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.ws.get_started.doc%2FGUID-1F5B1F14-A586-4A56-83FA-2E7D8333D5CA.html
[13:38] <GridCube> user__: go to the directory where the file is and type ls -o VM*
[13:39] <user__> when you say go to the directory where the file is,do you mean "go to" it in terminal or actually going to the user downloads folder
[13:39] <GridCube> you should see something like; -rw-rw-r-- 1 biblio 14150978 ene 25 12:25 adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.440.orig.tar.gz
[13:39] <GridCube> i mean on a terminal, cd to it
[13:40] <GridCube> user__: in this case this file is not exectuble, you should see some x's
[13:40] <user__> user@user:~$ ls -o VM*
[13:40] <user__> ls: cannot access VM*: No such file or directory
[13:40] <user__> user@user:~$
[13:40] <GridCube> you are not in the correct directory
[13:40] <GridCube> you have not cd Downloads
[13:41] <user__> i have not cd at all,it downloaded to /home/user/Downloads when i downloaded it
[13:41] <user__> by defualt
[13:41] <GridCube> well , you need to go there
[13:41] <GridCube> type cd Downloads on the terminal
[13:41] <GridCube> and press enter
[13:41] <GridCube> to go to the downloads directory
[13:42] <user__> ok seems i am there now and what to type now
[13:42] <GridCube> the ls
[13:42] <user__> user@user:~$ cd Downloads
[13:42] <user__> user@user:~/Downloads$
[13:42] <GridCube> yes
[13:42] <GridCube> good
[13:42] <user__> user@user:~/Downloads$ ls
[13:42] <user__> VMware-Workstation-Full-11.1.0-2496824.x86_64.bundle
[13:42] <user__> user@user:~/Downloads$
[13:42] <GridCube> now type ls -o VM*
[13:42] <GridCube> good the file is there
[13:42] <GridCube> now the -o will tell you if its executable or not
[13:42] <user__> ok and now how would i cd it as instructions require
[13:42] <user__> ok doing -o now
[13:43] <user__> VMware-Workstation-Full-11.1.0-2496824.x86_64.bundle
[13:43] <user__> user@user:~/Downloads$ ls -o VM*
[13:43] <user__> -rw-rw-r-- 1 user 432476411 Mar  4 08:02 VMware-Workstation-Full-11.1.0-2496824.x86_64.bundle
[13:43] <user__> user@user:~/Downloads$
[13:44] <GridCube> its not an executable file user__, try chmod +x VM[press tab]
[13:44] <user__> user@user:~/Downloads$ chmod +x VMware-Workstation-Full-11.1.0-2496824.x86_64.bundle
[13:44] <GridCube> yes
[13:44] <GridCube> now do ./VM[press tab]
[13:45] <GridCube> stuff should happen
[13:46] <user__> 2minutes thanks again grid
[13:46] <GridCube> well, you are on your own now user__ :)
[13:46] <GridCube> good luck
[13:48] <user__> re-did commands, file is now in green color,then ./VM and tab just completed file name again so maybe will now do the sh command from installation instructions?
[13:49] <user__> 	
[13:49] <user__> Run the appropriate Workstation installer for the host system.
[13:49] <user__> For example: sh VMware-Workstation-xxxx-xxxx.architecture.bundle [--option]
[13:49] <GridCube> yes
[13:49] <GridCube> i guess
[13:49] <user__> and now when i click the file it tells me root access is required for these operations
[13:49] <GridCube> you at least have the file now
[13:50] <user__> yes,thanks for that.
[13:50] <GridCube> well yes, you made it executable, if you didnt have to just do a chmod -x VM[press tab]
[13:50] <user__> i pressed enter as you said and it tries to extract but i get pop-up of root access needed,how do i do the same only in root access?
[13:50] <GridCube> chmod minus x takes the x P: chmod plus x adds the x, see?
[13:51] <GridCube> sudo
[13:51] <GridCube> add sudo in front of the command you are given
[13:51] <GridCube> again this is dangerous and you just do it if you understand what its going on
[13:51] <GridCube> else you risk damaging your system
[13:51] <GridCube> i hope you understand this
[13:51] <user__> i think i am now root in right folder will try
[13:53] <user__> yes successfully extracted
[13:53] <user__> just to know for now and future,is it acceptable to "tip" for assistance here or not at all
[13:54] <user__> thank you very much Grid.
[13:57] <GridCube> user__: its unusual, just pass the help to the next person who needs it :) if you wanna contribute with monies theres bug hunting rewards that you can contribute, you can ask the people at -devel how to do so
[13:57] <user__> ok
[13:58] <GridCube> and you're welcome user__ :) but again, remember that doing blindly what people tells you on the internet is dangerous, you should do it only if you understand whats going on
[13:58] <GridCube> if not ask someone else if its correct or be aware of the risk you are taking
[13:59] <GridCube> its your system after all, you are responsible for it
[15:38] <janfi> Hello
[15:38] <janfi> I use Xubuntu 14.04. Very often when I start my computer my icons are arranged to the left of the screen. I don't want that. Is there any solution ?
[15:40] <drc> janfi: what do you want?  No icons, icons on right?  What?
[15:41] <klopsi-u3> are you using Xubuntu 12.04 janfi ?
[15:41] <drc> klopsi-u3: He said 14.04
[15:41] <klopsi-u3> oh sorry i flew over that
[15:42] <klopsi-u3> here is some discussion about the problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1190990
[15:43] <drc> klopsi-u3: We're not sure he has a bug...we really don't know what he wants.
[15:44] <klopsi-u3> wants to keep desktop icon placement and not have them moved to the left side?
[15:44] <drc> We don't know...re-read his comment.  All we know is that they are on the left and he doesn't want that.
[15:46] <drc> You're probably correct, but until he gives us more inforamtion.... :)
[15:46] <cfhowlett> janfi, care to weigh here??
[15:54] <janfi> What I want is if I put an icon (generally a folder shortcut) somewhere on the screen, the day after I would like to find it on the same place.
[15:55] <drc> janfi: See the link klopsi-u3 gabe you earlier.
[15:55] <drc> klopsi-u3: You were right :)
[15:55] <janfi> ok
[15:55] <drc> s/gabe/gave/
[15:55] <janfi> I have Xubuntu 14.04
[16:09] <xubuntu07w> Hi there, trying to get my "at"-sign running on a MacBook with latest Xubuntu. I tryed to map "<Control><Alt>l" as a system shortcut, which should output the sign, but it doesnt work. Is there a way to output a string by using a shortcut?
[16:27] <janfi> thanks, that should help
[16:38] <xubuntu07w> I think, I found it by myself. I used "lv3:enter_switch" as a xkboption ... works fine for me, thamks
[17:51] <klopsi-u3> ok cause my sid install couldnt run bumblee i am back to xubuntu :)
[17:51] <klopsi-u3> bumblebee
[18:10] <klopsi-u3> wonder if I can just switch to nvidia binary driver with "Additional Drivers" on an optimus laptop
[18:10] <klopsi-u3> here goes nuthin
[18:15] <klopsi-u3> rebooted and now laptop is using the nvidia chip!
[18:15] <klopsi-u3> wow!
[18:17] <msev_> got a question, in one of the app I use which has a dock inside based on "Gnome dock library (gdl)" I can't see text in one of the docked items, but in others I can...does anyone have an idea what could that be
[18:19] <vrkalak> will xubuntu-15.04 have xfce-4.12 already installed?  does anyone know?
[20:01] <spartakus9> I'm on Xubuntu and I want to install bumblebee. My problem is that I don't know wich installation I could use.
[20:01] <spartakus9> sudo apt-get install bumblebee but with which options ?
[20:02] <spartakus9> Is virtualg and primus the same ? I use the opensource driver by the way.
[20:08] <spartakus9>  In fact, I just want to know if primus is made for the open source driver or not because I don't want to use the proprietary one.
[20:24] <vrkalak> hey, Drone` ... o/
[20:33] <Executioner> spartakus9: try 1.4.31, if that doesn't work uninstall it
[21:35] <katastrof> How to know which card graphic my system is using?
[21:36] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/23238/how-can-i-find-what-video-driver-is-in-use-on-my-system
[21:40] <katastrof> holstein: Thanks I don't understand I mean is driver = card graphic the same? I use nouveau (without bumblebee) and I have two graphical cards.
[21:41] <katastrof> When I mean the same, I mean in the result of the command
[21:41] <holstein> katastrof: if you are using the nouveau driver, thats the nvidia open driver..
[21:42] <katastrof> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10531529/
[21:42] <holstein> katastrof: right..
[21:43] <holstein> katastrof: you'll have to install something to manage the display you want to use
[21:43] <katastrof> That means it's my nvidia card that's always running ?
[21:43] <holstein> katastrof: what do i do? disable the nvidia side, since i want the battery life..
[21:43] <holstein> katastrof: if you havent done anything to keep the nvidia card from running, then, yes.. AFAIK, the nvidia "side" is still running
[21:44] <holstein> katastrof: on my dual GPU like that, i use a kernel mod from a PPA that disabled the nvidia side
[21:44] <katastrof> but intel is running too ?
[21:44] <katastrof> they are both running but nvidia is the real one used, or ?
[21:44] <holstein> katastrof: AFAIK, correct.. but, just pulling power.. not displaying things
[21:45] <holstein> katastrof: is this relevant? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics i would expect to install something to manage the device.. if thats possible in linux
[21:47] <katastrof> holstein: the thing is I used bumblebee but with nouveau it's causes problems and nividia prime is also a problem for me because it freezes my computer some time
[21:47] <holstein> katastrof: yup.. caused problems for me to.. AFAIK, nvidia didnt specifically address it for me, so, i just disabled the nvidia "side"
[21:48] <klopsi-u3> i just switched to the nvidia driver
[21:48] <klopsi-u3> never need battery
[21:48] <holstein> katastrof: i would expect a lot of trial and error, and trying the various drivers.. and i would personally want the latest 15.04, even though, its not out yet
[21:49] <katastrof> if i install nvidia prime but I activate only the intel card, the problem will not go because it's the same driver ?
[21:50] <holstein> katastrof: those are the quesitons i would be answering, with experiementation..
[21:50] <holstein> katastrof: i dont have that hardware.. but, you can always look for someone with it, in #ubuntu for example..
[21:50] <katastrof> did you have problems with flash too ?
[21:51] <katastrof> with the prop drivers I had to F5 to reload like youtube videos because I had the sound but not the frame
[21:51] <holstein> katastrof: no.. i use the current flash provided to linux for the chrome browser
[21:52] <holstein> katastrof: i dont personally let chrome dictate my GPU drivers in linux.. its just such a potential mess..
[21:55] <katastrof> I'm contacting a guy from #ubuntu right now he has nvidia prime
[21:55] <katastrof> I'll post the result here maybe it will help
[22:09] <katastrof> He said pretty the same thing : http://paste.ubuntu.com/10531773/
[22:10] <katastrof> I'll do some tests and come here if I see it doesn't work ty guys !
[22:21] <katastrof> holstein: but damn i use only intel will it be a problem for encoding stuff I forget to mention that
[22:21] <katastrof> *if i use
[22:38] <Dub_Boy> Woohoo Xubuntu brought my PC back to life!
[22:41] <klopsi-u3> yaay
[22:42] <Dub_Boy> Can anyone explain what adding vm.swapsize=10 to /etc/sysctl does ecatly to increase performance? also I've heard it has no effect