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| sitter | seems the trello thread got stuck | 08:42 |
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| Tm_T | nice | 08:42 |
| sitter | now if someone could have told me in january I might even had a chance to figure out why :P | 08:42 |
| valorie | wowzers | 08:45 |
| valorie | incredible work, kubotu | 08:45 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:57 |
| sitter | the IO wait on git.debian is quite simply obscene | 09:01 |
| sitter | kubotu: order coffee | 09:01 |
| * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to sitter. | 09:01 | |
| === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch | ||
| ovidiu-florin | kubotu: order black tea | 11:45 |
| * kubotu slides black tea down the bar to ovidiu-florin | 11:45 | |
| ovidiu-florin | kubotu: order acid rain | 11:45 |
| * kubotu slides acid rain down the bar to ovidiu-florin | 11:45 | |
| ovidiu-florin | :)) | 11:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | kubotu: time | 11:46 |
| kubotu | I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know | 11:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | kubotu: ~time Europe/Bucharest | 11:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | kubotu: time | 11:46 |
| kubotu | I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know | 11:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | sitter: how do I use this? | 11:46 |
| soee | good morning | 11:48 |
| sitter | ovidiu-florin: no clue | 11:50 |
| sitter | kubotu: time | 11:50 |
| kubotu | I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know | 11:50 |
| sitter | kubotu: time set Europe/Vienna | 11:50 |
| kubotu | Ok, I'll remember that sitter is on the Europe/Vienna time zone | 11:50 |
| sitter | very pointless plugin | 11:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | kubotu: time set Europe/Bucharest | 11:50 |
| kubotu | Ok, I'll remember that ovidiu-florin is on the Europe/Bucharest time zone | 11:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | kubotu: time | 11:51 |
| kubotu | Europe - Bucharest - Thu Mar 05 13:51 EET | 11:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | EET? | 11:51 |
| sitter | eastern european time? | 11:51 |
| Riddell | hola | 11:52 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 12:25 |
| yofel | time | 12:30 |
| yofel | kubotu: time | 12:30 |
| kubotu | I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know | 12:30 |
| yofel | hmpf | 12:30 |
| soee | hmm, where should be reported bugs aganst sddm theme ? | 12:39 |
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| soee | someone please confirm and comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344867 ? | 13:20 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 344867 in kcm_sddm "Setting custom background image in kcm_sddm does not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 13:20 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| Riddell | hi KDDA | 13:33 |
| KDDA | hi Riddell | 13:33 |
| Riddell | KDDA: want to become an elite kubuntu packager? | 13:35 |
| KDDA | is that the title of an ebook? | 13:36 |
| Riddell | Become an international freedom fighter in 10 easy steps! | 13:37 |
| KDDA | is there a guide somewhere? | 13:37 |
| KDDA | in very simple, step by step | 13:38 |
| KDDA | what is the roadmap for Kubuntu, it seems to be starting to move away from Ubuntu? | 13:39 |
| Riddell | KDDA: alas there's no simple guide to packaging, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ has some stuff but I advise ignoring the chapters on UDD (ubuntu distributed development) we don't tend to do that | 13:42 |
| Riddell | the roadmap is just our todo list https://trello.com/kubuntu | 13:43 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit did say he'd do a packaging guide but nothing yet | 13:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Hi | 13:43 |
| Riddell | KDDA: but I or others can give you a tutorial if you like | 13:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Yes that's true I did say that, I was going to work on it with sgclark | 13:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I have been intermittent on my packaging foo, | 13:44 |
| Sick_Rimmit | still got Calligra to finish... | 13:44 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: that's updated now | 13:44 |
| Riddell | took bloody ages that one :( | 13:45 |
| yofel | IIRC there were a bunch of packaging bugs reported against calligra lately, maybe look at those | 13:45 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah this is the problem, I run out of time and then when I get some more time, it's been done.. | 13:45 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I am not complaining though, | 13:45 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Just wish I could dedicate my time a bit more consistently, but family, jobs, kids, | 13:46 |
| KDDA | to package properly, wouldnt I need coding knowledge, to fix bugs? | 13:46 |
| yofel | I meant fixing packaging bugs | 13:46 |
| Sick_Rimmit | KDDA: No I don't think you need that | 13:46 |
| yofel | and yeah, you'll need to know how to do that, but that's usually small things and thus not too complicated to explain | 13:47 |
| KDDA | Can I add new programs/app into the main repros? | 13:50 |
| yofel | not yourself, but you can package one and request sponsorship | 13:50 |
| soee | what applications version do we have in vivid ? | 13:51 |
| yofel | right now, 14.12.2 | 13:51 |
| soee | what about KDE Aplicaciones 14.12.3 ? | 13:52 |
| yofel | dunno | 13:52 |
| KDDA | Id like to add Tilemill | 13:52 |
| soee | ;) | 13:52 |
| yofel | :P | 13:52 |
| yofel | KDDA: last I looked, there was a PPA for it, maybe check if you can clean that packaging up for the archive | 13:52 |
| KDDA | there is, but not updated | 13:53 |
| soee | sgclark: do ypu plan to work on 14.12.3 ? | 13:53 |
| Riddell | tilemill is here but only for trusty https://launchpad.net/~osgeolive/+archive/ubuntu/nightly/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75 | 13:54 |
| KDDA | http://ppa.launchpad.net/developmentseed/mapbox/ubuntu/dists/ | 13:54 |
| Riddell | KDDA: so yes you could update that if you feel it's useful | 13:54 |
| Riddell | qt also needs a security patch added | 13:59 |
| KDDA | do I need to install a tool-chain? | 13:59 |
| Riddell | KDDA: for which? | 14:01 |
| Riddell | just run debuild to build a package | 14:01 |
| Riddell | apt-get source kolf; cd kolf-<tab>; debuild | 14:02 |
| Riddell | for example | 14:02 |
| yofel | you'll want to have devscripts and ubuntu-dev-tools installed | 14:02 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - now even more Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | ||
| Riddell | plasma 5.2.1 removed from topic | 14:04 |
| === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | ||
| KDDA | installing the dev tools | 14:09 |
| KDDA | Riddell: where is it best working from? | 14:10 |
| KDDA | do I need a workspace? | 14:10 |
| KDDA | or just under ~ | 14:11 |
| Riddell | KDDA: I have ~/src/<package>/ | 14:13 |
| KDDA | ok I have a folder called kolf-14.12.2 and some simularly named files | 14:14 |
| KDDA | debuild fails | 14:15 |
| KDDA | Unmet build dependencies: cmake debhelper (>= 9) kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.12) kdelibs5-dev libkdegames-dev (>= 4:14.12.2) pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.14) | 14:16 |
| Riddell | yep, that's the stuff you need to apt install to get it to build | 14:16 |
| Riddell | but look at what the source packgae is (the .orig, .debian.tar and .dsc) and look in debian/ directory | 14:16 |
| KDDA | would I be better doing it in a VM? | 14:16 |
| KDDA | what is .cpp file? | 14:17 |
| KDDA | c code? | 14:17 |
| KDDA | oh c++ | 14:17 |
| Riddell | KDDA: not really, a VM is going to be slower | 14:18 |
| Riddell | like most KDE software it's c++ using Qt | 14:18 |
| KDDA | ah | 14:18 |
| Riddell | oh and pro tip, debuild -jX where X is your number of processor cores (see /proc/cpuinfo) makes it go X times as fast | 14:19 |
| KDDA | C++ is OOP? | 14:19 |
| Riddell | yep | 14:19 |
| Riddell | but it's stupidly messy as a language | 14:19 |
| KDDA | I used to be able to program in C | 14:19 |
| Riddell | it's based on C which is pretty low level and it adds a lot of stuff | 14:19 |
| KDDA | but that was a long time ago! | 14:19 |
| Riddell | fortunately Qt library makes it much easier to program in than most other libraries | 14:20 |
| Riddell | which is why KDE software is the best platform out there, because it's based on Qt | 14:20 |
| KDDA | so C++ is like if Java and C had a love child? | 14:21 |
| Riddell | pretty much | 14:21 |
| Riddell | Java was designed to be like c++ but not as messy | 14:21 |
| Riddell | and importantly with a standard library that would make using it easy | 14:22 |
| KDDA | I can usually figure Java out | 14:22 |
| Riddell | oh also java has a built in build system while c++ has none | 14:22 |
| Riddell | in KDE we solve that by using cmake which is pretty nice | 14:23 |
| KDDA | I see | 14:23 |
| Riddell | in university I learn about programming languages, but it's equally important to know about libraries and build systems as well other other tools | 14:23 |
| KDDA | so what is an actual package, like bytecode? | 14:24 |
| KDDA | the result of building the project? | 14:24 |
| Riddell | KDDA: yes | 14:24 |
| Riddell | which with c++ is machine code binaries | 14:24 |
| Riddell | also data files like icons | 14:24 |
| KDDA | so apt-get installs those as binaries and phsyical files on the OS? | 14:25 |
| Riddell | yeo | 14:26 |
| Riddell | yep | 14:26 |
| Riddell | it downloads the .deb binary packages which is what you're building with debuild | 14:27 |
| Riddell | and those .debs are just tars (or ars) with some meta data of the binaries and data files | 14:27 |
| * Riddell adds kdeconnect-plasma to seed | 14:28 | |
| soee | ;o | 14:28 |
| KDDA | Riddell: is it working again?!? | 14:28 |
| Riddell | pings work for me | 14:29 |
| KDDA | is it int the archive? | 14:29 |
| Riddell | compiling away https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-plasma/0.0+git20150302-0ubuntu1 | 14:29 |
| KDDA | do you compile it on your box, or on launchpad? | 14:30 |
| BluesKaj | strictly for androids, right | 14:30 |
| KDDA | BluesKaj: I believe so, was developed via GSOC | 14:31 |
| BluesKaj | KDDA, ok thanks | 14:31 |
| Riddell | KDDA: I compile it on my box to update the packaging and test it, when I compile it in pbuilder which is a script on my computer to compile it in an isolated system to test it all compiles, then I uploaded to my PPA on launchpad to test there, then when I'm happy with that i uploaded to launchpad for ubuntu | 14:31 |
| KDDA | Riddell: is Kubuntu in GSOC 2105? | 14:32 |
| KDDA | 2015 | 14:32 |
| Riddell | KDDA: KDE is and I submitted a proposal to update the ubiquity installer in kubuntu | 14:33 |
| Riddell | dunno if it'll get chosen | 14:33 |
| KDDA | ah I found KDE ideas | 14:33 |
| KDDA | Riddell: its there | 14:34 |
| KDDA | https://community.kde.org/GSoC/2015/Ideas#Project:_Port_Ubiquity_to_Qt_5 | 14:34 |
| KDDA | and you are the mentor :) | 14:34 |
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| KDDA | Riddell: nice one :) | 14:51 |
| KDDA | kdeconnect is working again! | 14:51 |
| Riddell | awooga | 14:52 |
| KDDA | in the old version there was a menu item in dolpin to send a file to phone, but doesnt seem to be there with this version, is that a bug? | 14:54 |
| * soee testting kdeconnect | 14:55 | |
| Riddell | it still has /usr/share/kservices5/kdeconnectsendfile.desktop I think it just needs dolphin for kf5 | 14:55 |
| KDDA | is the current version of dolphin still on 4? | 14:57 |
| soee | confirmed :) works cool, super fast paring, i can switch my radio statins and move cursor + type on keyboard | 14:59 |
| KDDA | soee: can you send a file to mobile from dolphin? | 14:59 |
| soee | let me check | 14:59 |
| soee | KDDA: seems like i can't open teh device from Dolphin | 15:00 |
| KDDA | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/amd64/tilemill Does this mean someone has approved tilemill to be in the Archive? | 15:00 |
| KDDA | just nothing published yet? | 15:00 |
| Riddell | KDDA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tilemill it means there's no tilemill in ubuntu, launchpad only knows about it because of packages in PPAs | 15:03 |
| Riddell | KDDA: yes dolphin is still kdelibs4 | 15:03 |
| Riddell | there's an ongoing discussion about including the frameworks port of dolphin in applications 15.08 in which case I think we could look at including it in vivid | 15:04 |
| Riddell | sitter: new frameworks repo you may like to CI, kde-extras/kdeconnect-plasma | 15:14 |
| sitter | Riddell: guess I'll pretend I am not perplexed by the fact that the repo doesn't have the same name as the upstream repo... | 15:44 |
| sitter | and you didn't wrapsort | 15:45 |
| sitter | read the mail I sent... | 15:45 |
| * Riddell has 188 unread e-mails to read :( | 15:47 | |
| Riddell | kdeconnect-kde gets released as kdeconnect-kde and kdeconnect-plasma | 15:47 |
| sitter | jesus | 15:49 |
| sitter | http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kdeconnect-plasma/2/consoleFull | 15:50 |
| sitter | should be integrating assuming the build suceeds | 15:50 |
| mparillo | soee: I confirmed KDE Bug 344867. Since I could not find an 'also affects me' selection on bugs.kde.org like launchpad, I just added a comment. | 15:56 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 344867 in kcm_sddm "Setting custom background image in kcm_sddm does not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344867 | 15:56 |
| soee | any idea why dvd rom does not work for me ? | 16:03 |
| sgclark | soee: sorry seems my kubuntu-devel tab got moved outta site in konversation :( thought it was aweful quite. Riddell said to ignore 4.14.3. Riddell did that change? I do recall it failing mierably with our scripts. | 16:22 |
| sgclark | Sick_Rimmit: ah yes the tutorial.. unfortunately my kde jenkins is in the process of going live, I do not see alot of extra time in the near future :( | 16:24 |
| yofel | sgclark: not 4.14.3, 14.12.3 | 16:32 |
| yofel | (up since saturday) | 16:32 |
| sgclark | yofel: ahhh | 16:34 |
| sgclark | if no one else is working on it, sure I can | 16:34 |
| Riddell | it's up for grabs :) | 16:34 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok, on it | 16:35 |
| Riddell | remember to merge in kubuntu_stable branches first | 16:35 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ah yes right, thanks | 16:35 |
| sgclark | sounds like a job for a bashy scripty type thing | 16:36 |
| Riddell | sgclark: it should just be added to kubuntu-initial-upload | 16:40 |
| Riddell | it's just one git command | 16:40 |
| sgclark | Riddell: k | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | whoop whoop | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | Announce: Vivid will switch to booting with systemd next Monday, brace for impact | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | pitti ftw | 17:03 |
| Riddell | we could do with someone testing that first | 17:04 |
| yofel | systemd runs fine for about 2 months here already | 17:06 |
| yofel | the only thing I ever had problems with was sddm when we had the systemd support enabled | 17:06 |
| yofel | er... disabled ofc | 17:07 |
| soee | mparillo: thanks | 18:52 |
| soee | someone has 2 min to check one thing ? | 18:57 |
| mparillo | soee: Check what? | 19:07 |
| soee | mparillo: if we take a screenshot and click on the button "Send to" it take some time to load the list with availabel items | 19:10 |
| mparillo | Using krunner to invoke ksnapshot? | 19:11 |
| mparillo | Pretty much immediate for me. | 19:13 |
| mparillo | Running in a modest VM. | 19:13 |
| mparillo | Options returned are Firefox, Gwenview, Okular, and Other Application ... | 19:14 |
| mparillo | Funny that Firefox is the first option...I used System Settings to make rekonq my preferred browser and konversation respects that. | 19:14 |
| yofel | soee: takes about a second to load with kipi-plugins installed | 19:18 |
| KDDA | so to repackage from KF4 > 5 just means rebuilding? | 19:19 |
| soee | for me it taked like 6-10 seconds | 19:19 |
| soee | *takes | 19:19 |
| yofel | in strace it looks like ksnapshot is making a bazillion lookups for icon files o.O | 19:20 |
| soee | though i have liek 30 items here | 19:20 |
| soee | yofel: might it be some bug ? | 19:20 |
| yofel | no idea. The number of device checks is also a bit excessive | 19:21 |
| yofel | it's not like it's *stuck* somewhere, it's just slow / a lot | 19:22 |
| soee | ksnapshot is part of plasma ? | 19:23 |
| KDDA | soee: appears to be | 19:23 |
| yofel | it's an application | 19:23 |
| KDDA | PrtScr key launches it for me | 19:23 |
| soee | yofel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG5BU-euGY | 19:31 |
| ahoneybun | hey guy and gals I tried to install Beta 1 and I had a problem with partman | 19:32 |
| mparillo | soee: Your list is much longer than mine. Also, more and more youtube vids now play in rekonq! | 19:34 |
| soee | mparillo: i have no idea where this list comes from :D | 19:34 |
| yofel | "kipi-plugins" add some 2 dozen entries there | 19:36 |
| soee | i asked on #plasma and one user said it works fine for him | 19:37 |
| soee | anyway even with 30 items it shoudlnt take more than 0.5 sec to load it imo | 19:37 |
| yofel | soee: open konsole, run 'strace ksnapshot', then check if it freezes at some point during loading | 19:38 |
| soee | yofel: check #plasma i have ther some input | 19:38 |
| soee | ok so we know it is kipi plugins | 19:39 |
| yofel | yeah, I'll agree with d__ed, same happens here - I just have a quad core with SSD so it's "just" a second | 19:39 |
| soee | so should i leave it like that or write some bug report for kipi plugins ? | 19:40 |
| yofel | not sure how that's a bug in kipi-plugins... | 19:41 |
| soee | well than i think ill remove kipi plugins | 19:42 |
| soee | Riddell: i have posted small info about kdeconnect https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/CoXFfa8dkpW | 19:43 |
| yofel | maybe splitting those up in popular/not-so-p ones would be good, but that should be done in debian | 19:43 |
| ahoneybun | hey yofel | 19:48 |
| soee | what is the freenode chan for QT stuff ? | 19:48 |
| soee | id like to ask about this bug https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40207 | 19:49 |
| d__ed | #qt cleverly | 19:50 |
| yofel | hey ahoneybun | 19:51 |
| ahoneybun | yofel, I had a problem with partman in beta 1 | 19:51 |
| soee | hmm, there is some bug in muon, when we install updates we cant search for package again | 19:51 |
| ahoneybun | I think it had to do with UEFI | 19:51 |
| yofel | 2 things I'm really not familiar with, sorry :/ | 19:52 |
| ahoneybun | yofel, think I'll try again and grab the log for a bug report | 19:52 |
| yofel | anyway, what happened? | 19:52 |
| yofel | yeah, that would be great | 19:52 |
| ahoneybun | it was under /var/syslog/ | 19:52 |
| ahoneybun | something like that | 19:52 |
| yofel | should be /var/log/syslog, we're not on systemd yet ^^ | 19:53 |
| ahoneybun | yofel, it was asking if I want to use the UEFI | 19:53 |
| ahoneybun | and I said yes then something went wrong with partman | 19:53 |
| ahoneybun | yofel, I'll be back with the report | 19:53 |
| ahoneybun | or at least the log | 19:53 |
| yofel | grr. I can't really help there because I don't have an UEFI machine | 19:53 |
| soee | yofel: wihout kipi-plugins the list loads without any dealay | 19:54 |
| yofel | unsurprisingly ^^ | 19:54 |
| d__ed | is it an acceptable time for me to look triumphant and knowledgeable. | 19:58 |
| soee | ;] | 19:58 |
| ahoneybun | yofel, grabbed 2 screenshots and the full log | 20:07 |
| ahoneybun | file the report against the installer right? | 20:10 |
| yofel | why just screenshots? | 20:10 |
| yofel | er | 20:10 |
| yofel | nvm, I'm tired | 20:10 |
| yofel | yes, file it against ubiquity please | 20:10 |
| ahoneybun | k | 20:16 |
| ahoneybun | yofel, I have the log too | 20:16 |
| yofel | apport *should* add the log itself, but do check that after the bug is filed and add the screenshots | 20:17 |
| yofel | (apport will do that if you file the bug from the machine that this happened on) | 20:17 |
| yofel | s/machine/live system | 20:17 |
| ahoneybun | yofel, is there a version on LP for Kubuntu or just file it against the core package? | 20:18 |
| yofel | if you file it from the kubuntu live session it'll automatically get tagged kubuntu | 20:18 |
| ahoneybun | ubiquity-frontend-kde? | 20:18 |
| yofel | no, just use ubiquity | 20:19 |
| yofel | partman is rather core stuff | 20:19 |
| ahoneybun | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity? | 20:19 |
| yofel | yes, just run 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' | 20:19 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: and really try to do that from the live session after it happened. That'll produce the best possible bug information | 20:20 |
| ahoneybun | ok I'll just back into the image | 20:20 |
| yofel | thanks :) | 20:21 |
| ahoneybun | np :) | 20:21 |
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| ahoneybun | yofel: sorry for the delay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 | 22:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1428877 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "partman crashes when trying to make a EFI partition" [Undecided,New] | 22:33 |
| ahoneybun | yofel, ping | 22:46 |
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