[08:42] <sitter> seems the trello thread got stuck
[08:42] <Tm_T> nice
[08:42] <sitter> now if someone could have told me in january I might even had a chance to figure out why :P
[08:45] <valorie> wowzers
[08:45] <valorie> incredible work, kubotu
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:01] <sitter> the IO wait on git.debian is quite simply obscene
[09:01] <sitter> kubotu: order coffee
[09:01]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to sitter.
[11:45] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: order black tea
[11:45]  * kubotu slides black tea down the bar to ovidiu-florin
[11:45] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: order acid rain
[11:45]  * kubotu slides acid rain down the bar to ovidiu-florin
[11:45] <ovidiu-florin> :))
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: time
[11:46] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: ~time Europe/Bucharest
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: time
[11:46] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: how do I use this?
[11:48] <soee> good morning
[11:50] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: no clue
[11:50] <sitter> kubotu: time
[11:50] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[11:50] <sitter> kubotu: time set Europe/Vienna
[11:50] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that sitter is on the Europe/Vienna time zone
[11:50] <sitter> very pointless plugin
[11:50] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: time set Europe/Bucharest
[11:50] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that ovidiu-florin is on the Europe/Bucharest time zone
[11:51] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: time
[11:51] <kubotu> Europe - Bucharest - Thu Mar 05 13:51 EET
[11:51] <ovidiu-florin> EET?
[11:51] <sitter> eastern european time?
[11:52] <Riddell> hola
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:30] <yofel> time
[12:30] <yofel> kubotu: time
[12:30] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[12:30] <yofel> hmpf
[12:39] <soee> hmm, where should be reported bugs aganst sddm theme ?
[13:20] <soee> someone please confirm and comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344867 ?
[13:33] <Riddell> hi KDDA 
[13:33] <KDDA> hi Riddell
[13:35] <Riddell> KDDA: want to become an elite kubuntu packager?
[13:36] <KDDA> is that the title of an ebook?
[13:37] <Riddell> Become an international freedom fighter in 10 easy steps!
[13:37] <KDDA> is there a guide somewhere?
[13:38] <KDDA> in very simple, step by step
[13:39] <KDDA> what is the roadmap for Kubuntu, it seems to be starting to move away from Ubuntu?
[13:42] <Riddell> KDDA: alas there's no simple guide to packaging, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ has some stuff but I advise ignoring the chapters on UDD (ubuntu distributed development) we don't tend to do that
[13:43] <Riddell> the roadmap is just our todo list https://trello.com/kubuntu
[13:43] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit did say he'd do a packaging guide but nothing yet
[13:43] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Hi
[13:43] <Riddell> KDDA: but I or others can give you a tutorial if you like
[13:43] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes that's true I did say that, I was going to work on it with sgclark
[13:44] <Sick_Rimmit> I have been intermittent on my packaging foo, 
[13:44] <Sick_Rimmit> still got Calligra to finish...
[13:44] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: that's updated now
[13:45] <Riddell> took bloody ages that one :(
[13:45] <yofel> IIRC there were a bunch of packaging bugs reported against calligra lately, maybe look at those
[13:45] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah this is the problem, I run out of time and then when I get some more time, it's been done..
[13:45] <Sick_Rimmit> I am not complaining though, 
[13:46] <Sick_Rimmit> Just wish I could dedicate my time a bit more consistently, but family, jobs, kids, 
[13:46] <KDDA> to package properly, wouldnt I need coding knowledge, to fix bugs?
[13:46] <yofel> I meant fixing packaging bugs
[13:46] <Sick_Rimmit> KDDA: No I don't think you need that
[13:47] <yofel> and yeah, you'll need to know how to do that, but that's usually small things and thus not too complicated to explain
[13:50] <KDDA> Can I add new programs/app into the main repros?
[13:50] <yofel> not yourself, but you can package one and request sponsorship
[13:51] <soee> what applications version do we have in vivid ?
[13:51] <yofel> right now, 14.12.2
[13:52] <soee> what about KDE Aplicaciones 14.12.3 ?
[13:52] <yofel> dunno
[13:52] <KDDA> Id like to add Tilemill
[13:52] <soee> ;)
[13:52] <yofel> :P
[13:52] <yofel> KDDA: last I looked, there was a PPA for it, maybe check if you can clean that packaging up for the archive
[13:53] <KDDA> there is, but not updated
[13:53] <soee> sgclark: do ypu plan to work on 14.12.3 ?
[13:54] <Riddell> tilemill is here but only for trusty https://launchpad.net/~osgeolive/+archive/ubuntu/nightly/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[13:54] <KDDA> http://ppa.launchpad.net/developmentseed/mapbox/ubuntu/dists/
[13:54] <Riddell> KDDA: so yes you could update that if you feel it's useful
[13:59] <Riddell> qt also needs a security patch added
[13:59] <KDDA> do I need to install a tool-chain?
[14:01] <Riddell> KDDA: for which?
[14:01] <Riddell> just run  debuild  to build a package
[14:02] <Riddell> apt-get source kolf; cd kolf-<tab>; debuild
[14:02] <Riddell> for example
[14:02] <yofel> you'll want to have devscripts and ubuntu-dev-tools installed
[14:04] <Riddell> plasma 5.2.1 removed from topic
[14:09] <KDDA> installing the dev tools
[14:10] <KDDA> Riddell: where is it best working from?
[14:10] <KDDA> do I need a workspace?
[14:11] <KDDA> or just under ~
[14:13] <Riddell> KDDA: I have ~/src/<package>/
[14:14] <KDDA> ok I have a folder called kolf-14.12.2 and some simularly named files
[14:15] <KDDA> debuild fails
[14:16] <KDDA> Unmet build dependencies: cmake debhelper (>= 9) kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.12) kdelibs5-dev libkdegames-dev (>= 4:14.12.2) pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.14)
[14:16] <Riddell> yep, that's the stuff you need to apt install to get it to build
[14:16] <Riddell> but look at what the source packgae is (the .orig, .debian.tar and .dsc) and look in debian/ directory
[14:16] <KDDA> would I be better doing it in a VM?
[14:17] <KDDA> what is .cpp file?
[14:17] <KDDA> c  code?
[14:17] <KDDA> oh c++
[14:18] <Riddell> KDDA: not really, a VM is going to be slower
[14:18] <Riddell> like most KDE software it's c++ using Qt
[14:18] <KDDA> ah
[14:19] <Riddell> oh and pro tip,  debuild -jX where X is your number of processor cores (see /proc/cpuinfo) makes it go X times as fast
[14:19] <KDDA> C++ is OOP?
[14:19] <Riddell> yep
[14:19] <Riddell> but it's stupidly messy as a language
[14:19] <KDDA> I used to be able to program in C
[14:19] <Riddell> it's based on C which is pretty low level and it adds a lot of stuff
[14:19] <KDDA> but that was a long time ago!
[14:20] <Riddell> fortunately Qt library makes it much easier to program in than most other libraries
[14:20] <Riddell> which is why KDE software is the best platform out there, because it's based on Qt
[14:21] <KDDA> so C++ is like if Java and C had a love child?
[14:21] <Riddell> pretty much
[14:21] <Riddell> Java was designed to be like c++ but not as messy
[14:22] <Riddell> and importantly with a standard library that would make using it easy
[14:22] <KDDA> I can usually figure Java out
[14:22] <Riddell> oh also java has a built in build system while c++ has none
[14:23] <Riddell> in KDE we solve that by using cmake which is pretty nice
[14:23] <KDDA> I see
[14:23] <Riddell> in university I learn about programming languages, but it's equally important to know about libraries and build systems as well other other tools
[14:24] <KDDA> so what is an actual package, like bytecode?
[14:24] <KDDA> the result of building the project?
[14:24] <Riddell> KDDA: yes
[14:24] <Riddell> which with c++ is machine code binaries
[14:24] <Riddell> also data files like icons
[14:25] <KDDA> so apt-get installs those as binaries and phsyical files on the OS?
[14:26] <Riddell> yeo
[14:26] <Riddell> yep
[14:27] <Riddell> it downloads the .deb binary packages which is what you're building with  debuild
[14:27] <Riddell> and those .debs are just tars (or ars) with some meta data of the binaries and data files
[14:28]  * Riddell adds kdeconnect-plasma to seed
[14:28] <soee> ;o
[14:28] <KDDA> Riddell: is it working again?!?
[14:29] <Riddell> pings work for me
[14:29] <KDDA> is it int the archive?
[14:29] <Riddell> compiling away https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-plasma/0.0+git20150302-0ubuntu1
[14:30] <KDDA> do you compile it on your box, or on launchpad?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> strictly for androids, right 
[14:31] <KDDA> BluesKaj: I believe so, was developed via GSOC
[14:31] <BluesKaj> KDDA, ok thanks
[14:31] <Riddell> KDDA: I compile it on my box to update the packaging and test it, when I compile it in pbuilder which is a script on my computer to compile it in an isolated system to test it all compiles, then I uploaded to my PPA on launchpad to test there, then when I'm happy with that i uploaded to launchpad for ubuntu 
[14:32] <KDDA> Riddell: is Kubuntu in GSOC 2105?
[14:32] <KDDA> 2015
[14:33] <Riddell> KDDA: KDE is and I submitted a proposal to update the ubiquity installer in kubuntu
[14:33] <Riddell> dunno if it'll get chosen
[14:33] <KDDA> ah I found KDE ideas
[14:34] <KDDA> Riddell: its there
[14:34] <KDDA> https://community.kde.org/GSoC/2015/Ideas#Project:_Port_Ubiquity_to_Qt_5
[14:34] <KDDA> and you are the mentor :)
[14:51] <KDDA> Riddell: nice one :)
[14:51] <KDDA> kdeconnect is working again!
[14:52] <Riddell> awooga
[14:54] <KDDA> in the old version there was a menu item in dolpin to send a file to phone, but doesnt seem to be there with this version, is that a bug?
[14:55]  * soee testting kdeconnect
[14:55] <Riddell> it still has /usr/share/kservices5/kdeconnectsendfile.desktop  I think it just needs dolphin for kf5
[14:57] <KDDA> is the current version of dolphin still on 4?
[14:59] <soee> confirmed :) works cool, super fast paring, i can switch my radio statins and move cursor + type on keyboard
[14:59] <KDDA> soee: can you send a file to mobile from dolphin?
[14:59] <soee> let me check
[15:00] <soee> KDDA: seems like i can't open teh device from Dolphin
[15:00] <KDDA> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/amd64/tilemill  Does this mean someone has approved tilemill to be in the Archive?
[15:00] <KDDA> just nothing published yet?
[15:03] <Riddell> KDDA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tilemill  it means there's no tilemill in ubuntu, launchpad only knows about it because of packages in PPAs
[15:03] <Riddell> KDDA: yes dolphin is still kdelibs4
[15:04] <Riddell> there's an ongoing discussion about including the frameworks port of dolphin in applications 15.08 in which case I think we could look at including it in vivid
[15:14] <Riddell> sitter: new frameworks repo you may like to CI, kde-extras/kdeconnect-plasma
[15:44] <sitter> Riddell: guess I'll pretend I am not perplexed by the fact that the repo doesn't have the same name as the upstream repo...
[15:45] <sitter> and you didn't wrapsort
[15:45] <sitter> read the mail I sent...
[15:47]  * Riddell has 188 unread e-mails to read :(
[15:47] <Riddell> kdeconnect-kde gets released as kdeconnect-kde and kdeconnect-plasma
[15:49] <sitter> jesus
[15:50] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kdeconnect-plasma/2/consoleFull
[15:50] <sitter> should be integrating assuming the build suceeds
[15:56] <mparillo> soee: I confirmed KDE Bug 344867. Since I could not find an 'also affects me' selection on bugs.kde.org like launchpad, I just added a comment.
[16:03] <soee> any idea why dvd rom does not work for me ?
[16:22] <sgclark> soee: sorry seems my kubuntu-devel tab got moved outta site in konversation :( thought it was aweful quite. Riddell said to ignore 4.14.3. Riddell did that change? I do recall it failing mierably with our scripts.
[16:24] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: ah yes the tutorial.. unfortunately my kde jenkins is in the process of going live, I do not see alot of extra time in the near future :(
[16:32] <yofel> sgclark: not 4.14.3, 14.12.3
[16:32] <yofel> (up since saturday)
[16:34] <sgclark> yofel: ahhh 
[16:34] <sgclark> if no one else is working on it, sure I can
[16:34] <Riddell> it's up for grabs :)
[16:35] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, on it
[16:35] <Riddell> remember to merge in kubuntu_stable branches first
[16:35] <sgclark> Riddell: ah yes right, thanks
[16:36] <sgclark> sounds like a job for a bashy scripty type thing
[16:40] <Riddell> sgclark: it should just be added to kubuntu-initial-upload
[16:40] <Riddell> it's just one git command
[16:41] <sgclark> Riddell: k
[17:03] <shadeslayer> whoop whoop
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Announce: Vivid will switch to booting with systemd next Monday, brace for impact 
[17:03] <shadeslayer> pitti ftw
[17:04] <Riddell> we could do with someone testing that first
[17:06] <yofel> systemd runs fine for about 2 months here already
[17:06] <yofel> the only thing I ever had problems with was sddm when we had the systemd support enabled
[17:07] <yofel> er... disabled ofc
[18:52] <soee> mparillo: thanks
[18:57] <soee> someone has 2 min to check one thing ?
[19:07] <mparillo> soee: Check what?
[19:10] <soee> mparillo: if we take a screenshot and click on the button "Send to" it take some time to load the list with availabel items
[19:11] <mparillo> Using krunner to invoke ksnapshot?
[19:13] <mparillo> Pretty much immediate for me.
[19:13] <mparillo> Running in a modest VM.
[19:14] <mparillo> Options returned are Firefox, Gwenview, Okular, and Other Application ... 
[19:14] <mparillo> Funny that Firefox is the first option...I used System Settings to make rekonq my preferred browser and konversation respects that.
[19:18] <yofel> soee: takes about a second to load with kipi-plugins installed
[19:19] <KDDA> so to repackage from KF4 > 5 just means rebuilding? 
[19:19] <soee> for me it taked like 6-10 seconds
[19:19] <soee> *takes
[19:20] <yofel> in strace it looks like ksnapshot is making a bazillion lookups for icon files o.O
[19:20] <soee> though i have liek 30 items here
[19:20] <soee> yofel: might it be some bug ?
[19:21] <yofel> no idea. The number of device checks is also a bit excessive
[19:22] <yofel> it's not like it's *stuck* somewhere, it's just slow / a lot
[19:23] <soee> ksnapshot is part of plasma ?
[19:23] <KDDA> soee: appears to be 
[19:23] <yofel> it's an application
[19:23] <KDDA> PrtScr key launches it for me
[19:31] <soee> yofel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG5BU-euGY
[19:32] <ahoneybun> hey guy and gals I tried to install Beta 1 and I had a problem with partman
[19:34] <mparillo> soee: Your list is much longer than mine. Also, more and more youtube vids now play in rekonq!
[19:34] <soee> mparillo: i have no idea where this list comes from :D
[19:36] <yofel> "kipi-plugins" add some 2 dozen entries there
[19:37] <soee> i asked on #plasma and one user said it works fine for him
[19:37] <soee> anyway even with 30 items it shoudlnt take more than 0.5 sec to load it imo
[19:38] <yofel> soee: open konsole, run 'strace ksnapshot', then check if it freezes at some point during loading
[19:38] <soee> yofel: check #plasma i have ther some input
[19:39] <soee> ok so we know it is kipi plugins
[19:39] <yofel> yeah, I'll agree with d__ed, same happens here - I just have a quad core with SSD so it's "just" a second
[19:40] <soee> so should i leave it like that or write some bug report for kipi plugins ?
[19:41] <yofel> not sure how that's a bug in kipi-plugins...
[19:42] <soee> well than i think ill remove kipi plugins
[19:43] <soee> Riddell: i have posted small info about kdeconnect https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/CoXFfa8dkpW
[19:43] <yofel> maybe splitting those up in popular/not-so-p ones would be good, but that should be done in debian
[19:48] <ahoneybun> hey yofel 
[19:48] <soee> what is the freenode chan for QT stuff ?
[19:49] <soee> id like to ask about this bug https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40207
[19:50] <d__ed> #qt cleverly
[19:51] <yofel> hey ahoneybun
[19:51] <ahoneybun> yofel, I had a problem with partman in beta 1
[19:51] <soee> hmm, there is some  bug in muon, when we install updates we cant search for package again
[19:51] <ahoneybun> I think it had to do with UEFI
[19:52] <yofel> 2 things I'm really not familiar with, sorry :/
[19:52] <ahoneybun> yofel, think I'll try again and grab the log for a bug report
[19:52] <yofel> anyway, what happened?
[19:52] <yofel> yeah, that would be great
[19:52] <ahoneybun> it was under /var/syslog/
[19:52] <ahoneybun> something like that
[19:53] <yofel> should be /var/log/syslog, we're not on systemd yet ^^
[19:53] <ahoneybun> yofel, it was asking if I want to use the UEFI
[19:53] <ahoneybun> and I said yes then something went wrong with partman
[19:53] <ahoneybun> yofel, I'll be back with the report
[19:53] <ahoneybun> or at least the log
[19:53] <yofel> grr. I can't really help there because I don't have an UEFI machine
[19:54] <soee> yofel: wihout kipi-plugins the list loads without any dealay
[19:54] <yofel> unsurprisingly ^^
[19:58] <d__ed> is it an acceptable time for me to look triumphant and knowledgeable.
[19:58] <soee> ;]
[20:07] <ahoneybun> yofel, grabbed 2 screenshots and the full log
[20:10] <ahoneybun> file the report against the installer right?
[20:10] <yofel> why just screenshots?
[20:10] <yofel> er
[20:10] <yofel> nvm, I'm tired
[20:10] <yofel> yes, file it against ubiquity please
[20:16] <ahoneybun> k
[20:16] <ahoneybun> yofel, I have the log too 
[20:17] <yofel> apport *should* add the log itself, but do check that after the bug is filed and add the screenshots
[20:17] <yofel> (apport will do that if you file the bug from the machine that this happened on)
[20:17] <yofel> s/machine/live system
[20:18] <ahoneybun> yofel, is there a version on LP for Kubuntu or just file it against the core package?
[20:18] <yofel> if you file it from the kubuntu live session it'll automatically get tagged kubuntu
[20:18] <ahoneybun> ubiquity-frontend-kde?
[20:19] <yofel> no, just use ubiquity
[20:19] <yofel> partman is rather core stuff
[20:19] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity?
[20:19] <yofel> yes, just run 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity'
[20:20] <yofel> ahoneybun: and really try to do that from the live session after it happened. That'll produce the best possible bug information
[20:20] <ahoneybun> ok I'll just back into the image
[20:21] <yofel> thanks :)
[20:21] <ahoneybun> np :)
[22:33] <ahoneybun> yofel: sorry for the delay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877
[22:46] <ahoneybun> yofel, ping