MrAsk | wxl: mine looks like one you linked... so it's seriously lampp's bug. How do I now determine which catalog is dedicated for website client? I tried to check directory of these audio files but when I tried to create file at /opt/lampp/share then communicat about not having access appeared. I know that I can copy files, everywhere via terminal with root, but I guess that it's still not correct directory | 00:02 |
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MrAsk | nevermind | 00:03 |
MrAsk | like always >look for some such simple things that they shouldn't take more than 3 minutes for 20 minutes >no results >ask somewhere >find out answer yourself 3s after | 00:06 |
wxl | huh? | 00:07 |
K`zan | Hi folks, got pretty much everything going and am ready to replace the current server with the banana pi pro. Only one problem left: | 04:55 |
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K`zan | I need to set up a static IP for it, not working as I have it. | 04:56 |
K`zan | Got /etc/network/interfaces set up the same way I have it on this box (x86_64 ubu 14.04) but it isn't taking and google is no help. | 04:57 |
K`zan | What I have is this (hopefully not too long): | 04:57 |
Unit193 | I'd say that networking file, or /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/eth0 | 04:57 |
Unit193 | But if it's headless or a server and not wifi, I'd nuke NetworkManager. | 04:57 |
K`zan | Sigh, please bear with me here :-). | 04:58 |
K`zan | Nothing in that directory... | 04:59 |
K`zan | Never seen that configuration method before, always have used /etc/network/interfaces | 05:00 |
K`zan | Will be headless once I get this set up and swap out the old rpi server with it. | 05:00 |
K`zan | Anyway: | 05:01 |
K`zan | /etc/network/interfaces: | 05:01 |
K`zan | auto eth0 | 05:01 |
K`zan | iface eth0 inet static | 05:01 |
K`zan | address myip.88 | 05:01 |
K`zan | netmask 255.255.255.0 | 05:01 |
K`zan | network myip.0 | 05:02 |
K`zan | broadcast myip.255 | 05:02 |
K`zan | gateway myip.73 | 05:02 |
K`zan | dns-nameservers myip.73 | 05:02 |
K`zan | myip is the interal ip here (not myip but xxx.xxx.xxx) | 05:02 |
K`zan | With the change of the address it works over here on x86 ubu 14.04 | 05:03 |
K`zan | Thoughts, ideas, pointers appreciated. | 05:03 |
K`zan | MUCH :-). | 05:03 |
Unit193 | And what error do you get with sudo ifup eth0 ? | 05:04 |
K`zan | No error, etho comes up but with no ip and no gateway (netstat -nr). | 05:05 |
K`zan | eth0 | 05:05 |
K`zan | ah, comes up with inet addr: 127.0.0.1 | 05:05 |
K`zan | Other monitor is slightly behind me, missed that. | 05:06 |
K`zan | Also bringing up wlan2 which is commented out... | 05:06 |
Unit193 | Did you ifdown first? Or, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart | 05:06 |
K`zan | Shouldn't be up. | 05:07 |
Unit193 | It is if NM is managing the connections. | 05:07 |
K`zan | Comes up this way on boot... | 05:07 |
K`zan | Directory in /etc/NetworkManager/system.connections is empty. | 05:08 |
K`zan | ifdown wlan2 returns "ifdown: interface wlan2 is not configured" | 05:09 |
K`zan | It is up, but no, it isn't configured. | 05:09 |
K`zan | ifconfig wlan2 down - does take it down. | 05:10 |
K`zan | /etc/init.d/networking restart does nothing. | 05:12 |
K`zan | ditto status | 05:12 |
K`zan | ditto start | 05:12 |
K`zan | No error messages on eth0 in dmesg. | 05:13 |
K`zan | Out of ideas... | 05:14 |
K`zan | System starts it, but where it is getting it (wrong) is a mystery :-/. | 05:15 |
K`zan | Taking care of my hubby who has MS, brb | 05:15 |
K`zan | Back | 05:27 |
Unit193 | Front. | 05:27 |
K`zan | :-), everything I can find says that the /etc/networking/interfaces should work for any linux system. On the 6th page of google stuff and that is IT :-(. | 05:33 |
K`zan | Nothing returned searching on "lubuntu" ip static (so far, other than the stuff for x86 ubu). | 05:34 |
K`zan | Dealing with partnet again, bbs | 05:35 |
Unit193 | Eh, I won't be of much help at this point, after I finish compiling everything taking the trash out then likly taking a walk. Perhaps someone else will be able to help though. | 05:39 |
K`zan | Thanks Unit193, after messing with this for two weeks plus, I am about ready to scrap it and get a minimal x86 box of some ilk. | 05:47 |
K`zan | IF this wasn't the last issue :-), everything else is working. | 05:47 |
K`zan | I got it :-). Just did all the manual setup stuff in /etc/rc.local. Doing final testing now before going live :-) :-) :-)! | 06:13 |
K`zan | Thanks for the help and encouragement! | 06:14 |
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absk007 | i've two ISOs "lubuntu-14.10-alternate-i386.iso" and "lubuntu-14.10-desktop-i386.iso". What's the difference between them? | 15:01 |
absk007 | Unit193, ^^ | 15:07 |
krytarik | absk007: See here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO#Types_of_installation | 15:09 |
yeehi | how do you add user to groups, e.g. username: john group: netdev | 16:21 |
yeehi | how do you solve the network add failed: insufficient privileges problem? (Failed to import openvpn config file) | 16:23 |
jadesoturi | hi all. im trying to connect to my server with x2go and i need to know what commands lubuntu runs to get the gyi up.. | 17:05 |
holstein | jadesoturi: to start lubuntu? or the lxde session? | 17:18 |
jadesoturi | lubuntu.. | 17:18 |
jadesoturi | cause when i choose lxde in x2go client, i get a different desktop then when i log in loclay, colors, menues, etc.. | 17:19 |
holstein | jadesoturi: sure, friend, you mean, you are trying to start lubuntu, the lxde session? remotly somehow? | 17:19 |
jadesoturi | yes.. | 17:19 |
holstein | jadesoturi: you likely get just the lxde session.. i would look at what the client is set to strat.. | 17:19 |
holstein | start* | 17:19 |
jadesoturi | x2go guys told me to figure out what lxsession is running and use that command, since the client is set to run startlxde | 17:20 |
holstein | jadesoturi: sure, and you *are* starting lxde.. what you want to start is the lubuntu specific session | 17:20 |
jadesoturi | yes.. | 17:21 |
holstein | and, you want to execute that at x2go.. not, where its already set to happen.. and im looking | 17:21 |
holstein | AFAIK, the login manager is doing that.. have you tried starting lightdm? | 17:22 |
jadesoturi | yeah i guess that would be the correct way of putting it.. i dont think i can start lightdm over ssh...:P | 17:22 |
holstein | jadesoturi: whe i faced this, with freenx, i just tried a bunch of options, til i got what i needed | 17:22 |
jadesoturi | also. suddenly i cant login in localy. after login to lightdm it just blinks a balck screen and goes back to the login page.. | 17:23 |
holstein | jadesoturi: sure, i dont know if you can start lightdm there, either, but, does that mean, yo uhave *not* tried? or, dont want to? | 17:23 |
jadesoturi | hang on, ill try.. just specify lightdm as the command to run then? isnt lightdm a service? | 17:23 |
holstein | jadesoturi: i would address the machine locally, and make sure its working and all the users can login. and you address why they cannot | 17:23 |
jadesoturi | i was able to login localy, but after playing around with x2go and .xinitrc lightdm just logs back out again. | 17:24 |
holstein | kill all running x2go server sessions on the server and restart 5) reconnect with x2go client and use 'custom' session type with /usr/bin/startlxde (or try /usr/bin/lxsession). If this doesn't work, then something is still wrong with your setup 6) If you want to use startlubuntu | 17:24 |
holstein | jadesoturi: using "startlubuntu" is suggested there.. have you tried that? | 17:24 |
jadesoturi | hang on.. | 17:25 |
holstein | a work around is referenced.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/360358/13-10-startlubuntu-command-for-x2go | 17:25 |
holstein | that is an older version of both, so, i wouldnt use the software there. just apply the ideas to your current 14.04 or 14.10 and current x2go | 17:25 |
jadesoturi | but why am i suddenly unable to login localy ? | 17:25 |
holstein | jadesoturi: i have no idea, friend.. i would go to tty.. | 17:25 |
holstein | !tty | 17:25 |
ubottu | To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution | 17:25 |
holstein | and see if you *are* able to login, or, if its just that you are not able to pull up the GUI at login | 17:26 |
holstein | if the gui is not starting, the issue is usually in the users .config | 17:26 |
holstein | i would personally just move or rename (temporarily, so i can undo this step easily) the ~/.config directory in my users home, and test the GUI, *if* i can login in tty, testing my users login and credentials | 17:27 |
holstein | this helps you isolate out "i am suddenly unable to login" from, a config error created from configuring x2go, or this session | 17:27 |
jadesoturi | i am able to login in tty1 and run startx(with xinit set to startlxde) | 17:29 |
jadesoturi | in tty7 i have lightdm running with gui. loggin in there just throws me back out.. | 17:29 |
holstein | jadesoturi: ? | 17:30 |
holstein | jadesoturi: i never said "try running startx" | 17:30 |
holstein | jadesoturi: i said, go to tty, and try to login | 17:30 |
jadesoturi | i can login in tty1 no problem | 17:30 |
holstein | i think you are mistaking loading the GUI and logging in.. if you *can* input your username and password in tty, the you *can* login | 17:31 |
holstein | if you cant start the gui, thats different than "i cant login".. thats, "the GUI doesnt start" | 17:31 |
jadesoturi | running startlxde gives me the default lxde desktop on on tt8 then.. running lxsession does nothing.. | 17:31 |
jadesoturi | or lxsession give me "cannot open display:" | 17:32 |
holstein | jadesoturi: sure.. you cant run multiple ones | 17:32 |
jadesoturi | but at the same time on tty7 lightdm login is running.. | 17:32 |
holstein | jadesoturi: at least, not as you are trying | 17:32 |
jadesoturi | ok. so how do i fix the lightdm login then? | 17:32 |
holstein | jadesoturi: so, please dont expect to.. isolate out if you can login or not, and the sessions that are starting | 17:32 |
holstein | jadesoturi: i dont think anything is broken | 17:32 |
jadesoturi | ok. so why cant i login through lightdm then? | 17:33 |
holstein | jadesoturi: you should be able to, just hit the powerbutton, and be presented with the login screen.. input your password, and login to the lubuntu session.. | 17:33 |
jadesoturi | i enter the password and just tossed back out to the login screen again | 17:33 |
holstein | jadesoturi: as i said, the session config can be broken, *if* you are not able to start the GUI.. you *can* login.. that is not the issue.. | 17:33 |
holstein | jadesoturi: sure. *thats* what i would expect, if, as i suggested, i have a broken config in ~/.config | 17:34 |
ianorlin | or this might be an x2go issue | 17:34 |
holstein | yup ^ | 17:34 |
holstein | its not a repo package.. | 17:34 |
holstein | ideally, they would just support lubuntu.. its all open for them to do so.. | 17:34 |
jadesoturi | x2go is not running | 17:35 |
jadesoturi | how to fix the .config then? | 17:35 |
holstein | jadesoturi: suggested above, i say, i would just rename or move my ~/.config directory, so i can test and revert | 17:36 |
holstein | jadesoturi: i would isolate these issues out.. i would get my user and desktop loading as expected.. *then* try working again with "startlubuntu" in x2go | 17:36 |
jadesoturi | ok. listen: x2go is NOT running i have moved my .config dir to .config.old | 17:37 |
holstein | jadesoturi: sure. so, you should get stock, working configs for your gui.. you can boot the machine up, and login as normal, and test | 17:38 |
jadesoturi | justD1r3kt4Srebooted.. | 17:38 |
jadesoturi | still cant login on tty7 whre lightdm is running.. just gets thrown back out agian. | 17:39 |
holstein | jadesoturi: you mean, you cant start the GUI | 17:39 |
holstein | jadesoturi: that is not the same, again, as logging in | 17:39 |
holstein | jadesoturi: if you can login in tty1, then that *is* a login.. the user can login.. | 17:39 |
holstein | jadesoturi: is that the case? | 17:39 |
jadesoturi | well. i have a login GUI running on TTY7, with lightdm. so i guess gui is running.. | 17:39 |
holstein | when i am experiencing what you are, i immediately test my user and password in tty1 | 17:39 |
jadesoturi | i can login on tty1 perfectly. but cant login through the lightdm gui on tty7, the one with the purple background and session selection etc.. | 17:40 |
holstein | jadesoturi: what do i do? i want to know what is broken.. i want to isolate out my user from the rest of the system.. i go to tty1, and try logging in | 17:40 |
holstein | if i can there, then, i go back to the main login screen,a nd try the guest session, or another user.. ill make one if there is none | 17:41 |
jadesoturi | ok. iv gone to tty1. logged in just fine.. | 17:41 |
holstein | in that scenario, i can answer the following important questions.. is my user logging in? is *any* user able to start *any* session? | 17:41 |
holstein | then, i can go from there, knowing if its a local user issue, or a system issue | 17:42 |
jadesoturi | logged in just fine on lightdm gui iwht another user.. | 17:42 |
holstein | jadesoturi: cool.. so, now you know where the issue likely is | 17:42 |
jadesoturi | that users .config? | 17:42 |
holstein | jadesoturi: there are "session" settings even in that GUI.. when you choose your user, you can choose the session.. "default" , "lxde".. etc | 17:42 |
jadesoturi | yeah iknow.they are set to lubuntu | 17:43 |
holstein | i dont know what who has done what to try and make x2go work.. and, there are the x2go system files that can break or not work | 17:45 |
jadesoturi | x2go is NOT RUNNING .. i uninstalled it.. | 17:45 |
holstein | jadesoturi: sure.. i hear you, friend.. but, you "sudo" installed not system packages.. that can cause issues.. im not saying they have, just trying to help you isolate.. no need for caps.. i understand its not runing, and that you have removed that package. but, ther are dependencies. and likely a PPA | 17:46 |
holstein | what i would do is whatever it takes to make my user work again.. i would just temporarily move *all* of my .hidden files that i feel are relevant.. and test til it boots and loads the default session for that user | 17:47 |
jadesoturi | ok. i can login with another user. no problem. so i copied his home dir to my home dir- does nothing.. | 17:48 |
holstein | jadesoturi: i wouldnt, personally, copy a working one over.. i would just let new default ones spawn.. | 17:49 |
jadesoturi | how. just delete everything in /home/username? | 17:49 |
jadesoturi | would that respawn the needed files? | 17:49 |
holstein | i would look, also, at my saved sessions, as per http://askubuntu.com/questions/81161/how-to-remove-session-entries-from-lightdm | 17:49 |
holstein | i would carefully note what i do | 17:50 |
holstein | jadesoturi: the .hidden config directories that are relevant | 17:50 |
holstein | anything i feel would keep the GUI session im trying to load from loading | 17:50 |
jadesoturi | and what would that be? this is a clean install. | 17:51 |
holstein | jadesoturi: ? | 17:51 |
jadesoturi | what .hidden files are relevant? | 17:51 |
holstein | jadesoturi: i dont know what you mean by "clean install", but, you have installed, at least, x2go.. that makes it *not* clean | 17:51 |
holstein | jadesoturi: if you dont know, as i said, i would just move or rename them, so i can easily revert.. | 17:51 |
jadesoturi | ok. x2go is removed along with it dependencies.. | 17:52 |
jadesoturi | all config files of it are removed.. | 17:52 |
holstein | !ppapurge | 17:52 |
ubottu | To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html | 17:52 |
holstein | but, im not saying x2go is the cause of the issue.. | 17:52 |
jadesoturi | i dont think it is. cause it works for other users.. | 17:52 |
jadesoturi | and the other users also had x2go working. | 17:52 |
jadesoturi | so its something else. | 17:53 |
holstein | jadesoturi: *you* had x3go working.. just not loading the lubuntu session | 17:53 |
jadesoturi | yes | 17:53 |
holstein | and, i realize it must be challenging.. x2go saying "go get support from lubuntu" | 17:53 |
holstein | but, lubuntu is a *very* lean team.. | 17:53 |
jadesoturi | i dont htink you understand.. | 17:53 |
wxl | what's the problem? | 17:54 |
jadesoturi | x2go just asked me to figure out what lxsession was starting.. | 17:54 |
jadesoturi | thats all | 17:54 |
jadesoturi | the problem is that i cant login thourgh lightdm with my main user anymore | 17:54 |
jadesoturi | just get thrown back out again | 17:54 |
holstein | 12:05 < jadesoturi> hi all. im trying to connect to my server with x2go and i need to know what commands lubuntu runs to get the gyi up.. | 17:54 |
jadesoturi | it works for the other users on the machine.. | 17:54 |
wxl | sounds like a problem with your user | 17:55 |
jadesoturi | yeah but what? | 17:55 |
wxl | probably something in ~/.config | 17:55 |
jadesoturi | i rename the .config dir to .config.old | 17:55 |
wxl | and same problem? | 17:55 |
jadesoturi | yes | 17:55 |
wxl | have you checked ummm what is it ~/.run ? where the lx logs are? | 17:56 |
jadesoturi | nope hang on | 17:56 |
jadesoturi | there is no .run dir in my home folder | 17:56 |
wxl | gimme a sec | 17:59 |
wxl | not in front of lubuntu, have to get a vm going | 17:59 |
jadesoturi | no worries. and thank you..! | 17:59 |
jadesoturi | iv tried copying the .config/folder from the user it works for the user it does not work for - but no go still :/ | 18:10 |
wxl | sorry | 18:11 |
wxl | little system hang there for some reason | 18:11 |
wxl | jadesoturi: ~/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log | 18:16 |
jadesoturi | all sort off errors therE:P | 18:17 |
wxl | pastebin it | 18:18 |
jadesoturi | how can i do it from terminal ? | 18:18 |
wxl | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade && sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit && cat ~/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log | pastebinit | 18:18 |
wxl | jadesoturi: doesn't hexchat have an /exec command | 18:19 |
wxl | ? | 18:19 |
jadesoturi | im on hexchat on windows and logged in to the server on putty.. | 18:19 |
wxl | oh yeah | 18:19 |
jadesoturi | its a vm running on an esxi | 18:19 |
wxl | nevermind :) | 18:19 |
jadesoturi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10541851 | 18:20 |
wxl | direktadmin is the user that's problematic i'm assuming? | 18:20 |
jadesoturi | yes | 18:21 |
wxl | could you also give me the same file from the user that works? | 18:22 |
jadesoturi | hang on.. | 18:23 |
jadesoturi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10541903/ | 18:24 |
wxl | interesting | 18:26 |
wxl | seems to be little difference at the end there | 18:26 |
wxl | if you use a differnt session, does it work? | 18:26 |
jadesoturi | hang on. | 18:26 |
jadesoturi | works for both lxde and lubuntu | 18:27 |
jadesoturi | the ones that i have installed.. | 18:27 |
jadesoturi | and lubuntu-netbook | 18:27 |
wxl | so the only one is doesn't work for is…? | 18:27 |
jadesoturi | direktadmin user does not work on any session | 18:28 |
jadesoturi | but i can login with that user in ssh and tty1 no problem | 18:28 |
wxl | interesting | 18:28 |
wxl | i wonder if there's some sort of permissions issue | 18:29 |
jadesoturi | maybe.. | 18:30 |
jadesoturi | is there a way to just "recreate" the whole direktadmin user? | 18:30 |
wxl | well you could make a new user and then move all your stuff over and change all the permissions and ownership and blah blah blah | 18:31 |
jadesoturi | i havent really setup anything on this machine yet. so no customization made to any users | 18:31 |
jadesoturi | so if i root to the machine, remove direktadmin and then recreate him ? | 18:31 |
wxl | you certainly could do that | 18:32 |
jadesoturi | ahh shit. have to add another user to sudo group first. | 18:33 |
wxl | !language | jadesoturi | 18:33 |
ubottu | jadesoturi: The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList | 18:33 |
wxl | ↑ just saying. | 18:33 |
jadesoturi | sorry... just a bit frustrated here | 18:33 |
wxl | understand, but we do get some underagers here | 18:33 |
wxl | not to mention people that would be offended by it… | 18:34 |
jadesoturi | i understand. im sorry. wont happen again.. | 18:34 |
jadesoturi | ok. so recreating the user worked.. logs in no problem now.. | 18:44 |
wxl | yay | 18:44 |
jadesoturi | now just to figure out how to start lubuntu from x2go .. hehe | 18:44 |
wxl | assumedly it should be easy now | 18:44 |
wxl | you might want to just start lightdm | 18:44 |
jadesoturi | ill try that. just need to reintsall x2go agian since i purged it.. | 18:45 |
jadesoturi | but would that be the right way to go? since lightdm is already running on the machine? | 18:48 |
jadesoturi | and to start lightdm i just run lightdm ? | 18:49 |
wxl | well hm | 18:50 |
jadesoturi | lightdm did not work :/ | 18:50 |
wxl | i'm not sure how x2go works | 18:50 |
wxl | !info x2go | 18:50 |
ubottu | Package x2go does not exist in utopic | 18:50 |
ianorlin | it might be x2go is trying to start an lxde-session | 18:50 |
wxl | hm | 18:50 |
wxl | why are you trying to use x2go? | 18:50 |
ianorlin | I think you maybe should ask in #x2go | 18:50 |
jadesoturi | need gui access from wan to the server. | 18:50 |
wxl | we use no machine at work | 18:51 |
wxl | it also uses nx | 18:51 |
jadesoturi | x2go guys told me to figure out what lxsession is running to get the lubuntu desktop up. if i just select LXDE it starts the LXDE session. i want it to start the lubuntu session. | 18:51 |
wxl | it just connects to the existant session | 18:51 |
wxl | have you tried startlubuntu? | 18:52 |
jadesoturi | yeah its not an exisiting command on the servere. | 18:52 |
jadesoturi | -e | 18:52 |
ianorlin | jadesoturi, one hack could be copying the lubuntu configs to the lxde session | 18:52 |
ianorlin | or try starting a custom session called lubuntu | 18:52 |
ianorlin | as that is the solution for openbox | 18:52 |
jadesoturi | ok.. but what does lightdm call when you select the Lubuntu in sessions? | 18:53 |
jadesoturi | for lxde it runs startlxde , right? | 18:53 |
jadesoturi | if i use lxsession i just get the same as startlxde .. | 18:55 |
ianorlin | jadesoturi copying the lubuntu configs to lxde might work if you get lxde to work it just won't say lubuntu session | 18:57 |
jadesoturi | ill see what i figure out. gots to go no.thanks for all the help...! | 19:00 |
wxl | good luck man | 19:01 |
yeehi | how do you add a user to a group? For example, user: john group: devnet ? | 19:03 |
wxl | the "easy" way is to use the users & groups thing in preferences (or was that system?) yeehi | 19:05 |
yeehi | hi,wxl | 19:05 |
wxl | system tools | 19:06 |
yeehi | i dont see that option in that menu, wxl. This is an older system | 19:06 |
wxl | how old? | 19:07 |
wxl | !useradd | yeehi | 19:09 |
ubottu | yeehi: To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "sudo" - See !sudo | 19:09 |
yeehi | what is lxde equivalent of gnome-control-center and the one for allocating users to groups? | 22:07 |
Unit193 | users-admin | 22:09 |
yeehi | thank you Unit193, let me try that | 22:18 |
yeehi | command not found, unable to locate package, Unit 193 | 22:19 |
yeehi | Unit193 | 22:19 |
Unit193 | gnome-system-tools is the package it comes from, thought that was shipped by default.. | 22:19 |
yeehi | just a moment, please | 22:20 |
Unit193 | Hrm, it is, at least in vivid. | 22:20 |
ianorlin | I think it was in trusty and utopic as well | 22:24 |
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