[00:00] <dobey> aLeSD_: in the android kernel source for ubuntu. the porting guide should have all the info
[00:02] <aLeSD_> I think that the repository of the kernel is not the AOSP
[01:59] <DonkeyHotei> the phablet-dev-bootstrap command creates a directory where the lunch command does not have a lot of options. how do i see the rest?
[04:37] <elimisteve> Any rumors on pricing for the Ubuntu edition of the MX4? I'm hoping it's at least a TINY bit cheaper than the Android version
[04:37] <elimisteve> so that it's easier to measure interest in the Ubuntu version specifically
[04:38] <elimisteve> I'd hate people to buy the Android version and install Ubuntu on it because it is, say, easier to get in the US for some time
[04:38] <elimisteve> though tweaking the price may not have that desired impact
[04:38] <DonkeyHotei> i think in the US the only way to buy an MX4 is off meizu's website
[05:01] <elimisteve> hopefully that'll change in a few months and I'll be able to get the MX4 w/Ubuntu installed
[05:07] <jakew02> erm, anyone take a stab at nexus 6 yet? i got it compiled but not booting :\
[05:07] <DonkeyHotei> the phablet-dev-bootstrap command creates a directory where the lunch command does not have a lot of options. how do i see the rest?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> alot of activity on mwc15: https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[06:28] <DonkeyHotei> the phablet-dev-bootstrap command creates a directory where the lunch command does not have a lot of options. how do i see the rest?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phonandroid.com/decouvrez-ubuntu-touch-sur-meizu-mx4.html
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> nice handson
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:26] <DonkeyHotei> the phablet-dev-bootstrap command creates a directory where the lunch command does not have a lot of options. how do i see the rest?
[08:26] <DonkeyHotei> ogra_: ^
[08:39] <g105b> morning dholbach
[08:39] <dholbach> hi g105b
[09:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Book Day! :-D
[10:30] <g105b> I'm waiting for World e-Book Day.
[10:31] <mcphail> On that subject, is there an epub reader available for the Ubuntu phone? Does it offer text to speech?
[10:32] <popey> mcphail: yes, no.
[10:32]  * mcphail spots a gap in the market
[10:36] <mcphail> popey: would a TTS engine keep running if the app loses focus or screen goes off?
[10:37] <popey> any app can be suspended if the screen is locked or not foreground
[10:37] <popey> but if it's part of the platform, then it has exceptions
[10:37] <ogra_> your tts engine could hook into media-hub
[10:38] <ogra_> that would mean it stays running
[10:38] <popey> true
[10:38] <mcphail> ogra_: would it stay running, though, or would it have to process the whole audio stream, send it to media hub and then be killed as media-hub keeps the stream playing? That's less useful
[10:39] <ogra_> well, take a look at the digitally-imported APP FROM TEH STORE
[10:39] <ogra_> OOPS
[10:39] <ogra_> sorry for the caps
[10:39] <mcphail> HA
[10:39] <ogra_> :)
[10:40] <mcphail> will do :)
[10:40] <ogra_> i think it uses media-hub and the audio definitely plays on if the app is backgrounded
[10:40] <DonkeyHotei> the phablet-dev-bootstrap command creates a directory where the lunch command does not have a lot of options. how do i see the rest?
[10:40] <mcphail> just need to wait for my device to arrive to test...
[10:45] <salih-emin> hey guys, acording to the wiki https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ devel channel Tracks the latest development
[10:45] <salih-emin> but if you check the stable branch http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/stable/mako/ you will see
[10:46] <salih-emin> that it is updated recently
[10:46] <salih-emin> and the devel http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel/mako/ is not yet (dec 2014)
[10:47] <salih-emin> so which channel should Nexus 4 users use ?
[10:47] <salih-emin> (bit confused with the wiki and the names)
[10:55] <ogra_> sil2100, when we promoted to stable, didnt we also promote into devel ? looks like an oversight to me
[10:57] <sil2100> ogra_: hm devel is ubuntu-touch/vivid, so promoting an ubuntu-rtm image to that channel wouldn't be good
[10:57] <ogra_> sil2100, someone obviously promoted an image into stable on feb 25th
[10:57] <sil2100> Into stable? Into stable yes
[10:57] <ogra_> and hopefully not a rtm one :)
[10:57] <ogra_> since stable is vivid
[10:57] <sil2100> Stable is ubuntu-rtm
[10:57] <sil2100> No
[10:57] <sil2100> Stable is RTM
[10:58] <sil2100> ubuntu-touch/stable (alias to ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09)
[10:58] <sil2100> ubuntu-touch/devel (alias to ubuntu-touch/vivid)
[10:58] <ogra_> when did that change ?
[10:58] <ogra_> stable used to be the final release of the devel distro
[10:58] <ogra_> (would be interesting how many upgrades broke for people out there)
[10:59] <sil2100> A while ago ;) At first stable was a manual channel for stable stuff from devel, but then a long while ago when we shaped up ubuntu-rtm it was decided that 14.09 will be stable (I think it was asac's decision or something)
[10:59] <sil2100> It's like this since at least a few months
[10:59] <ogra_> did we test stable to stable upgrades ?
[11:00] <sil2100> You mean, the old stable to the new stable upgrades?
[11:00] <ogra_> yes
[11:00] <sil2100> Not sure, I know someone mentioned that stable only had really outdated images in it, but I guess it all happened behind the scenes
[11:00] <sil2100> jibel: ^ do you know?
[11:00] <ogra_> stable was utopic and most likely even ahead of rtm for a while
[11:01] <ogra_> which means files had to go backwards on at least one upgrade
[11:02] <ogra_> (not sure thats a use case we take into account)
[11:05] <salih-emin> so according to what you told me ... there is a "messed" situation right now :P
[11:05] <salih-emin> and the names devel, devel-proposed, stable
[11:06] <salih-emin> should not be considered as standards
[11:07] <gcollura> where can I report bugs againt the twitter web app in ubuntu-touch?
[11:13] <popey> gcollura: dbarth_ ^
[11:17] <ogra_> salih-emin, no, it is all fine ... devel is the last milestone of 15.04 ... stable is the last milestone of the fully QAed RTM distro
[11:18] <ogra_> (RTM being the specifically stabilized 14.09 branch that we give to manufacturers)
[11:19] <salih-emin> ogra_, thnx, so what channel should I track (install) on my Nexus 4, because I need to contribute back to the Greek Translations
[11:19] <salih-emin> devel or somthing else ?
[11:20] <ogra_> devel it quite outdated, i'd take devel-proposed, that will give you the latest code (but also the latest bugs indeed, you might hit issues)
[11:20] <salih-emin> oh ok
[11:21] <salih-emin> when do you think devel wiil be back on track (as mentiond in the wiki) and not be so outdated ?
[11:21] <ogra_> soon
[11:22] <ogra_> there should be a promotion within the next weeks ...
[11:22] <salih-emin> ogra_, thnx !
[11:22] <ogra_> and we will pull vivid (devel) into RTM soon as well
[11:25] <dbarth_> gcollura: under webapps-core
[11:25] <gcollura> thanks dbarth_ :)
[11:26] <dbarth_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-core/+filebug
[11:26] <dbarth_> just add [twitter] in the bug topic
[11:47] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, if i look at the processlist on my phone i see that all my oxide-renderer processes seem to hardcode "--lang=en-US" ... despite me using de_DE ... is that something to fix in oxide ?
[12:00] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, possibly
[12:20] <jgdx> Elleo, hi, out of interest, why can't cutespotify abuse media-hub so that the app is kept alive?
[12:21] <Elleo> jgdx: libspotify doesn't provide us with audio files unfortunately, it just provides packets of raw audio in a constant stream
[12:21] <Elleo> jgdx: so media-hub would have to have libspotify integrated into it in someway for it to be able to play spotify tracks
[12:21] <jgdx> Elleo, but could you not play 4:33 on repeat?
[12:21] <jgdx> :p
[12:22] <Elleo> heh
[12:22] <Elleo> unfortunately that doesn't stop the app getting suspended
[12:22] <Elleo> it's only media-hub that continues running when something hands a file off to it, the originating app still gets suspended
[12:22] <Elleo> (except for the music app which has a hard-coded exception to that rule)
[12:23] <jgdx> clever
[12:23] <Elleo> I was semi-tempted to write a spotify patch for music-app but that wouldn't really be sustainable, since music app's exception will go away as soon as media-hub can handle playlists
[12:24] <Elleo> at the moment it has the exception because media-hub doesn't know what to do when it finishes playing a file, since it can't be given a playlist of things yet
[12:24] <jgdx> right, I know there's a bug somewhere calling for playlist support
[12:24] <Elleo> yeah
[13:17] <lomi> Oh, I just has read on Twitter that BQ will only ship in end of the March... I very disappointed :( I'm waiting for it since about a month :)
[13:24] <mcphail> lomi: that is depressing
[13:25] <lomi> mcphail: Yeah, I am very sad now, I want it asap :D
[13:27] <mcphail> lomi: you're not alone there
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, mind reporting a bug for that locale issue?
[14:23] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, will do, i just wasnt sure if its a webapp-container issue or oxide
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> I'm pretty sure it's an oxide bug. It looks like chromium only detects the locale on builds linked against glib (which we're not). Without that, it expects the embedder to pass in the locale, which we don't
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> I wonder if that's always been broken or if it regressed at some point though
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> I thought that would have been picked up when we added the translations for the Accept-Language header
[14:29] <tsdgeos> sil2100: who can get us a rebuild of  ubuntu-keyboard package into the Qt 5.4.1 ppa? Elleo has found that it needs a rebuild and that it's the thing that fixes the crash Mirv found
[14:29] <sil2100> tsdgeos: oh, we didn't have ubuntu-keyboard rebuilt?
[14:29] <sil2100> tsdgeos: I can do it then - no changes needed?
[14:29] <Elleo> sil2100: yep, no changes just a straight rebuild does the trick :)
[14:30] <sil2100> Elleo, tsdgeos: thanks guys, let me do that then
[14:30] <Elleo> sil2100: awesome, thanks :)
[14:30] <sil2100> Yeah, I think Mirv only rebuilt maliit-keyboard, makes sense :)
[14:38] <popey> tsdgeos: do you have any tips on debugging qml crashers? bug 1423185 for example
[14:39] <tsdgeos> popey: usually start by trying gdb/valgrind and see if it gives anything interesting
[14:40] <tsdgeos> popey: usually it's not the qml crashing but the C++ plugins the qml exercises crashing
[14:40] <popey> right.
[14:40] <popey> tsdgeos: i find it somewhat opaque, how to run apps on the device under gdb, do you run it then attach, rather than run with gdb?
[14:40] <tsdgeos> i this case
[14:40] <tsdgeos>  #0  0xaeeaceb0 in RequestData::deleteLater() () from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/plugins/organizer/libqtorganizer_eds.so
[14:41] <tsdgeos> so yeah the eds plugin is doing something weird
[14:41] <tsdgeos> popey: yeah you can run them and then attach
[14:41] <tsdgeos> or just start them from command line
[14:41] <tsdgeos> gdb -args binary --desktop_file_hint=/path/to/its/desktop
[14:42] <tsdgeos> you probably want to install symbols for libqtorganizer_eds.so and for libecal-1.2.so.16
[14:42] <popey> ok
[15:43] <shane> hi every, I have installed the ubuntu devel-proposed on my nexus 5 via multiroms and it all works fine apart from when I try to open an app it does not open this includes the core apps.  Ths nver happened before is there some restriction on the devel version
[15:45] <ogra_> no
[15:45] <ogra_> sounds more like a bu in your N5 install
[15:45] <ogra_> *bug
[15:45] <shane> thats odd cos I have uninstalled and reinstalled different roms but this still happens
[15:46] <shane> scopes work fine
[15:46] <ogra_> well, check the logs :)
[15:46] <shane> ok
[15:47] <shane> easier said then done when the termianl app dont even open
[15:49] <ogra_> use adb
[15:49] <ogra_> ot better phablet-shell
[15:49] <ogra_> *or
[15:52] <dobey> 14.09-proposed works fine on my n5
[15:54] <studio_> hi
[15:55] <studio_> how do i add the contacts from my sim card to the ubuntu phone?
[15:56] <popey> studio_: I don't think we have that functionality, (do we bfiller ?)
[15:57] <bfiller> studio_: don't have it yet, but working on it. Actually it's in a silo if you feel like testing it
[15:57] <studio_> i don't understand bfiller
[15:57] <studio_> ah ok
[15:57] <popey> awesome
[15:57] <bfiller> studio_: it's in a PPA basically but has not landed in the product yet. You can install packages from the ppa onto your phone if you are adventurous :) https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-027
[15:59] <studio_> i thought i shouldn't work with sudo apt-get ... on my phone? now i am confused ...
[16:00] <popey> hence "adventurous"
[16:00] <studio_> ok
[16:05] <bfiller> popey: just trying latest docviewer app, it's quite nice
[16:05] <popey> yeah, it is.
[16:05] <bfiller> popey: do you know if there is a way to hide the header when opening a pdf? seems it's always visible and cuts down on the space I have to see the doc
[16:06] <popey> bfiller: we discussed this today in the meeting
[16:06] <popey> and I asked design for input on it, as to what the right way to do it is
[16:06] <popey> whether to do what the browser currently does, or if there's a new design pattern
[16:06] <bfiller> popey: my quick and dirty design 2 cents is: do what the camera app and gallery does
[16:06] <popey> (bugs welcome of course)
[16:07] <bfiller> popey: which is have the header hidden when you open the doc, and single tapping on the doc will toggle the header visibility
[16:07] <popey> ok, that was the suggestion sverzegnassi had actually.
[16:07] <popey> thanks.
[16:08] <bfiller> popey: np, in gallery we actually open the photo fullscreen, and then when tapping it we leave fullscreen and show the header
[16:08] <bfiller> popey: might want to consider that as well
[16:08] <popey> yeah, there's very little we use the header for
[16:09] <popey> page number, menu only has goto and details
[16:09] <popey> well, and back button
[16:12] <bfiller> popey: seems to be much faster opening and rendering than pdfjs viewer app
[16:13] <bfiller> popey: should I file a bug about the fullscreen thing?
[16:13] <popey> bfiller: yeah, go on.
[16:13] <bfiller> popey: will do
[16:13] <popey> we aren't tracking it at the moment as it was just a conversation on irc an hour ago
[16:13] <popey> cheers
[16:13] <popey> thanks for testing
[16:14] <bfiller> np
[16:15] <popey> I'd be interested to see how much faster it is on an octacore device!
[16:15] <popey> It should be able to detect number of cores and spin them all up to render multiple pages.
[16:17] <ogra_> studio_, you can use apt or dpkg for single packages if you are very careful and make sure to make the image readonly again afterwards ... thats what i meant when i said apt is for developers working on the underlying system ...
[16:20] <alexforsale> hello
[16:24] <bfiller> popey: filed these 2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docviewer-app/+bug/1428718 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docviewer-app/+bug/1428721
[16:25] <popey> bfiller: magic, thanks.
[16:35] <tsdgeos> sil2100: there's something weird with the 12 ppa
[16:35] <sil2100> tsdgeos: what's up?
[16:35] <tsdgeos> i guess something needs a rebuild
[16:35] <tsdgeos> dist-upgrading is asking me to uninstall unity8
[16:36] <tsdgeos> sil2100: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10540925/
[16:36] <tsdgeos> sil2100: any idea how do i find whcih package is causing that?
[16:39] <sil2100> tsdgeos: hm, strange thing, since if a newer version was published somewhere we would see it in the PPA
[16:39] <tsdgeos> yeah that was what i was wondering
[16:39] <tsdgeos> i remembered those ("new version") markers
[16:41] <tsdgeos> sil2100: it's qtmir
[16:41] <tsdgeos> i had to go
[16:41] <tsdgeos> sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin=0.4.4+15.04.20150227.1-0ubuntu2~test1+disabletests qtmir-android=0.4.4+15.04.20150227.1-0ubuntu2~test1+disabletests
[16:42] <sil2100> So you had to force the version? That's strange
[16:42] <tsdgeos> yeah
[16:42] <tsdgeos> apt thinks the one in vivid is newer
[16:43] <tsdgeos> sil2100: this is apt-cache policy http://paste.ubuntu.com/10541001/
[16:44] <sil2100> tsdgeos: 0.4.4+15.04.20150227.1bzr333pkg0vivid77-0ubuntu1 looks like something you installed locally!
[16:44] <tsdgeos> ah
[16:44] <tsdgeos> may be
[16:44] <tsdgeos> i've been messing around a bit
[16:44]  * tsdgeos hides
[16:44] <sil2100> Ok, so that answers everything ;)
[16:46] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[16:46] <tsdgeos> Elleo: using ppa 12 i still get maliit to crash all the time
[16:46] <tsdgeos> but a rebuilt ubuntu-keyboard is there :S
[16:50] <Elleo> tsdgeos: odd; not sure why it'd be different to my local build against 5.4.1 :/
[16:50] <Elleo> tsdgeos: will take another look as soon as I've finished what I'm working on at the moment
[16:51] <tsdgeos> cool
[16:55] <bfiller> renatu: studio_ is testing the SIM card import silo
[16:55] <bfiller> renatu: under what conditions will the buton show up? does contact list need to be empty?
[16:55] <brendand> barry, quick question, is the automatic/manual download setting in the dbus api?
[16:55] <barry> brendand: yep
[16:56] <brendand> barry, ah yeah, SetSetting
[16:56] <barry> brendand: right.  using the auto_download key
[16:58] <brendand> barry, we seem to be putting these scripts in our new ubuntu-ota-tests project. would you prefer them to be in ubuntu-system-image?
[16:58] <barry> brendand: for now, putting them in ubuntu-ota-tests is fine
[17:05] <DonkeyHotei> Tassadar: are you around?
[17:05] <Tassadar> yes
[17:07] <DonkeyHotei> Tassadar: i used phablet-dev-bootstrap but the lunch command has no option for hammerhead
[17:08] <Tassadar> I have no idea what does phablet-dev-bootstrap do
[17:08] <DonkeyHotei> fetches a build tree
[17:09] <Tassadar> well I got that, but I dunno which one or which branch does it uses)
[17:09] <DonkeyHotei> where do i get the sources you're using?
[17:09] <renatu> bfiller, yes contact list empty
[17:09] <Tassadar> you can try just doing "lunch aosp_hammerhead-userdebug"
[17:10] <Tassadar> maybe it just isn't in the list
[17:10] <renatu> bfiller, otherwise you can use the header button
[17:10] <renatu> bfiller, the button will appear on the list if the contact list is empty and your simcard has contacts
[17:11] <bfiller> renatu: yeah I see it
[17:11] <bfiller> renatu: although I have no contacts on my sim card but it still shows up
[17:11] <renatu> bfiller, do you have the button on contact list?
[17:12] <renatu> bfiller, the button on the header will be always visible
[17:13] <DonkeyHotei> Default revision phablet-trusty not found in android_device_lge_hammerhead. Bailing.
[17:14] <DonkeyHotei> Tassadar: ^
[17:14] <DonkeyHotei> is there an option to lunch to select a different revision?
[17:22] <Tassadar> trusty? that's weird
[17:22] <Tassadar> we're on utopic already :)
[17:25] <DonkeyHotei> Tassadar: how do i change that?
[17:25] <dobey> hmm
[17:26] <Tassadar> not sure, but you can just clone https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=aosp%2Fdevice%2Flge%2Fhammerhead.git;a=summary branch  	phablet-4.4.2_r1 into device/lge/hammerhead in your tree
[17:35] <DonkeyHotei> Tassadar: "Use the ROOMSERVICE_BRANCHES environment variable to specify a list of fallback branches."
[17:39] <danielholm> Hey, what revision would I have to use to get rid of developer mode?
[17:40] <danielholm> My screen is broken and I want to use my old phone as something else. In Android I have a mouse connected and I thought I might run Ubuntu on it (Nexus 4). But I have to get rid of developer mode. And I Dualboot.
[17:45] <studio_> i have a "small" problem, my image is rw and i can't save changings in /etc/apt/sources.list with nano. is that problem comming from nano?
[17:45] <dobey> danielholm: why do you need to get rid of developer mode?
[17:46] <dobey> studio_: you used sudo to edit the file right? and you should probably just create a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ instead, but you have to have elevated permissions to edit files in /etc, the same as on any Ubuntu system
[17:46] <danielholm> dobey: becaose my screen is broken. No touch.
[17:46] <studio_> "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and i can't save
[17:46] <dobey> danielholm: do you want to replace everything with just ubuntu on it?
[17:46] <danielholm> dobey: the display, as such, does however work.
[17:47] <danielholm> dobey: No, only Ubuntu. But I can't connect to it without developer mode off, right? To get the developer tools in Android I had to dissamble my other Nexus 4 and switch display for that only, and I don't want to do that again.
[17:49] <studio_> dobey, "sudo mount -o remount,rw /" and "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-027" was not working
[17:49] <danielholm> dobey: What am I saying, I want to continue to dualboot
[17:50] <studio_> then i tried "phablet-config writable-image" and after reboot "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[17:50] <dobey> danielholm: if you want dual boot then i don't know what to tell you. i have no idea how to do that, outside of using multirom. dual booting otherwise is not really well maintained
[17:51] <danielholm> dobey: yeah.. I do use multirom. But if I just can install a revision before developer mode became default I'm fine
[17:51] <dobey> danielholm: i don't know anything about that. i only use ubuntu myself
[17:52] <danielholm> dobey: So I got it installed and all, I just can't remeber when it became default. Trying utopic r83 now
[17:52] <dobey> danielholm: don't use utopic channel
[17:52] <danielholm> dobey: n?
[17:52] <danielholm> dobey: no? *
[17:53] <dobey> danielholm: it's old and no utopic images are built any more afaik. utopic was released almost 6 months ago. if you want a stable image use the "stable" channel
[17:53] <danielholm> dobey: I would like to run Trusty, but can't install it from either dualboot or multiriom
[17:54] <dobey> danielholm: you can't use trusty because there are no trusty images any more
[17:54] <danielholm> dobey: I don't really care about stable, I just want to get rid of developer mode
[17:54] <danielholm> dobey: Yeah, I kinda figured.
[17:54] <dobey> danielholm: or are you saying you want to use actual ubuntu, and not the ubuntu phone images?
[17:55] <dobey> i have no idea why you want to get rid of developer mode or what you mean by that exactly. in ubuntu you can just turn it off in system-settings
[17:55] <danielholm> dobey: I will run ubuntu phone images, but with write activated and use it for something fun. dont know what yet, but something, haha
[17:56] <dobey> well you must enable developer mode to connect to it with adb over usb
[17:56] <danielholm> dobey: Yes. That's what I am trying to do.
[17:57] <danielholm> dobey: but I did actually get in now with the oldest rev of utopic, so I guess I'm fine. But damn how I forgot the UI froze
[17:57] <danielholm> how it froze*
[17:57] <Elleo> tsdgeos: can you double check that the ubuntu-keyboard package got upgraded (e.g. run "dpkg -s ubuntu-keyboard" and verify that the version is "0.99.trunk.phablet2+15.04.20150227-0ubuntu2~vivid1~test1")?
[17:57] <Elleo> tsdgeos: as I've just installed from the silo and haven't had a crash yet
[17:58] <tsdgeos> Elleo: sure
[17:58] <tsdgeos> let me see
[17:59] <tsdgeos> 0.99.trunk.phablet2+15.04.20150227-0ubuntu2~vivid1~test1
[17:59] <tsdgeos> but i had some other issues because my phone was unclean
[17:59] <tsdgeos> let me flash and do a clean upgrade to the ppa
[18:00] <danielholm> dobey: So thanks, but I got it covered. Take care, mate
[18:00] <ogra_> studio_, nano not working is an adb issue ... adb swallows some control chars nano needs
[18:00] <ogra_> studio_, use vi
[18:01] <Elleo> tsdgeos: okay, thanks
[18:01] <dobey> studio_: also, add-apt-repository worked fine
[18:02] <elopio> tedg: how can I make url-dispatcher work on desktop?
[18:02] <dobey> studio_: the problem is that the PPA you added, has no packages, and even if it did, they would be for vivid, not ubuntu-rtm/14.09 (assuming you are using the stable channel)
[18:02] <elopio> tedg: I get: gvfs-open: addressbook:///create?callback=dialer-app.desktop&phone=%20: error opening location: The specified location is not supported
[18:03] <dobey> elopio: is the contacts app installed?
[18:03] <studio_> the problem is, i think, id adds utopic and not vivid
[18:03] <dobey> studio_: no, it's vivid
[18:03] <studio_> no
[18:03] <tedg> elopio, Uh, you'll need to change the Qt backend to use it.
[18:03] <dobey> studio_: but that PPA has no packages
[18:04] <tedg> elopio, The QPA plugin is who decides how to route URLs there.
[18:04] <dobey> err, oh it does have a package
[18:04] <dobey> studio_: it's for vivid: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-027/+packages
[18:04] <elopio> dobey: it is. tedg: can you tell me how to do it?
[18:05] <tedg> elopio, I'm not sure honestly, steal the code from the qpa-mir plugin. But I'm not sure where that is.
[18:05] <tedg> I think that tsdgeos might have worked on that.
[18:05] <studio_> it says: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/landing-027/ubuntu utopic main
[18:05]  * elopio peaks at mir.
[18:05] <elopio> thanks for the pointers.
[18:07] <elopio> tsdgeos: still around?
[18:07] <tsdgeos> elopio: yeah
[18:07] <elopio> tsdgeos: do you know how to change qpa to use url-dispatcher on desktop?
[18:07] <tsdgeos> i did some of that stuff
[18:08] <tsdgeos> but it was long ago :D
[18:08] <tsdgeos> elopio: not without spending some time on it
[18:08] <dobey> studio_: what channel does system-image-cli -i say you are on?
[18:09] <elopio> tsdgeos: do you know who did it for touch? or pointers to files would work too.
[18:09] <tsdgeos> elopio: probably i did it for touch
[18:10] <tsdgeos> elopio: basically it's a hook somewhere
[18:10] <tsdgeos> let me try to do a gre
[18:10] <tsdgeos> p
[18:10] <elopio> tsdgeos: thanks.
[18:10] <tsdgeos> elopio: ./src/ubuntumirclient/platformservices.cpp in qtubuntu
[18:11] <tsdgeos> i guess you can try forcing the use of the qtubuntu qpa on desktop
[18:11] <tsdgeos> not sure if that'll explode or not
[18:11] <elopio> it's worth a try.
[18:21] <elopio> tsdgeos: If you meant something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10541870/
[18:22] <elopio> yes, it explodes.
[18:22] <tsdgeos> ah right
[18:22] <tsdgeos> it's ubuntumirclient
[18:22] <tsdgeos> so yeah it'll explode
[18:22] <tsdgeos> because you're not under mir
[18:22] <tsdgeos> no?
[18:22] <tsdgeos> or are you?
[18:22]  * tsdgeos has no clue what you're trying to do :D
[18:23] <elopio> tsdgeos: no, I have no mir.
[18:23] <elopio> tsdgeos: I'm trying to open the messaging app from the dialer app in desktop.
[18:23] <tsdgeos> elopio: but under X11/unity7
[18:24] <elopio> tsdgeos: yes, x11 unity7
[18:25] <elopio> tsdgeos: actually, the goal is to do it in an xvfb
[18:25] <elopio> but as there is no mir xvfb, it will blow anyway.
[18:25] <tsdgeos> then yeah you need some qpa work so that Qt knows what thoseurls mean
[18:26] <elopio> tsdgeos: with a mir virtual frame buffer, I would just need to use this ubuntumirclient, right?
[18:26] <tsdgeos> elopio: probably
[18:42] <tsdgeos> Elleo: crashes like crazy here :/
[18:42]  * tsdgeos eods kind of late
[18:43] <elopio> tedg: is that something we can request from your team? a qpa that lets us use url-dispatcher but doesn't require mir?
[19:12] <bfiller> renatu: studio_ is testing the silo and has contacts on his sim card
[19:13] <bfiller> renatu: but the list is showing up empty in the address book app
[19:13] <bfiller> renatu: he ran this command /usr/share/ofono/scripts/test-phonebook /ril_0 and it shows many contacts in vcard format
[19:13] <bfiller> renatu: it's on the krillin, using latest vivid image
[19:14] <renatu> studio_, which phone are you using?
[19:15] <studio_> bq e4.5
[19:15] <renatu> studio_, how many sims do you have?
[19:15] <studio_> in the moment one
[19:16] <DonkeyHotei> so it's a dual-sim phone?
[19:16] <studio_> first slot
[19:16] <renatu> studio_, yes the same as me
[19:16] <studio_> i mean upper slot for the first slot
[19:17] <renatu> studio_, did you reboot the phone after insert the sim?
[19:17] <studio_> yes
[19:17] <renatu> studio_, ok I do not have any idea what is happening I will try to reproduce the problem here
[19:18] <bfiller> renatu: anything from dbus monitoring that we can see from logs? like if the contacts are getting returned to the app? or the app log?
[19:19] <studio_> idea, no, i just switched to 15.04. i toought it is also working on 14.10 (09) but it was not
[19:19] <renatu> bfiller, no probably I will need to add debug in the app
[19:19] <studio_> i can now import "google" contacts, but not from the sim card
[19:19] <renatu> is working fine for me
[19:20] <renatu> but probably studio_ has something different
[19:20] <bfiller> renatu: does import happen over dbus?
[19:20] <renatu> bfiller, it uses the ofono dbus interface to retrieve the contacts
[19:20] <renatu> but if the script is returning contacts
[19:20] <renatu> the app is receiving the contacts
[19:21] <studio_> as i told bfiller, there are contacts on the sim card for exp: BEGIN:VCARD
[19:21] <studio_> VERSION:3.0
[19:21] <studio_> FN:Deutsche Bahn
[19:21] <studio_> TEL;TYPE=VOICE:11861
[19:21] <studio_> END:VCARD
[19:21] <renatu> studio_, after you "click on the import from sim button" the list appear empty correct?
[19:22] <studio_> "click on the import from sim button" this is missing
[19:22] <renatu> studio_, there is a button in the app header (a arrow pointing down)
[19:22] <renatu> studio_, can you see that?
[19:23] <studio_> taht makes a blank screen
[19:23] <renatu> yes this should have all your contacts there
[19:23] <bfiller> studio_: totally blank? or just the results are blank?
[19:23] <bfiller> studio_: it should say "Import contacts" in the header
[19:23] <studio_> blank, white, no otions
[19:24] <bfiller> hmn
[19:24] <renatu> studio_, can you paste the app log
[19:24] <ogra_> and you are 100% sure you are on 15.04 ?
[19:24] <ogra_> (this likely needs the devel-proposed channel)
[19:25] <studio_> renatu, how to make the log? ogra_, yes
[19:25] <bfiller> studio_: run "apt-cache policy qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1" and "apt-cache policy "
[19:25] <bfiller> oops
[19:25] <bfiller> apt-cache policy address-book-app
[19:25] <studio_> ~$ apt-cache policy qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1
[19:25] <studio_> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1:
[19:25] <studio_>   Installed: 0.2+15.04.20150305-0ubuntu1
[19:25] <studio_>   Candidate: 0.2+15.04.20150305-0ubuntu1
[19:25] <studio_>   Version table:
[19:25] <studio_>  *** 0.2+15.04.20150305-0ubuntu1 0
[19:25] <studio_>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/landing-027/ubuntu/ vivid/main armhf Packages
[19:25] <studio_>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:26] <studio_>      0.2+15.04.20150226-0ubuntu1 0
[19:26] <studio_>         500 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ vivid/universe armhf Packages
[19:26] <renatu> studio_, please paste the content of .cache/upstart/application-legacy-address-book-app-.log in : http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:26] <studio_> do i need an account for *.ubuntu.com?
[19:27] <renatu> studio_, no
[19:29] <studio_> made it
[19:29] <ogra_> well, paste the url here :)
[19:29] <studio_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10542538/
[19:30] <renatu> studio_, I need the application log from: .cache/upstart/application-legacy-address-book-app-.log
[19:30] <ogra_> we really should pre-install pastebinit in the devel distro
[19:32] <kenvandine> ogra_, +1
[19:32] <kenvandine> i know i always install it :)
[19:33] <ogra_> it just has the danger in it that we forget to remove it
[19:33] <ogra_> could be quite some security issue to ship it on an enduser device
[19:33] <kenvandine> well, nobody can run it without developer mode :)
[19:33] <kenvandine> but yeah
[19:33] <studio_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10542602/
[19:34] <studio_> sorry, this is my first time i made that, i hope it is ok?
[19:34] <ogra_> studio_, you are doing quite well :)
[19:35] <ogra_> "Fail to import contacts from: "/ril_0""
[19:35] <renatu> studio_, yes the log shows that it fails to import from the sim
[19:35] <renatu> studio_, I need to check with ofono guys what can cause that
[19:36] <ogra_> renatu, bfiller, i know studio_ i german, could it be related to special chars ?
[19:36] <ogra_> s/i/is/
[19:36] <ogra_> i.e missing utf-8 conversion etc
[19:36] <dobey> hmm
[19:36] <dobey> why is nano even seeded in ubuntu-touch
[19:37] <ogra_> dobey, it isnt ... it is seeded in ubuntu-minimal
[19:37] <ogra_> we just inherit it
[19:37] <bfiller> ogra_: hmn, possible
[19:37] <dobey> oh :-/
[19:38] <ogra_> dobey, file a bug against livecd-rootfs ...
[19:38] <bfiller> renatu: lets figure out how to enable more debugging
[19:38] <ogra_> we could apt-get purge it at the end of the image build i guess
[19:38] <dobey> well that will want to remove the metapackages too
[19:38] <ogra_> hmm, true
[19:38] <renatu> rsalveti, do you know how to get ofono debug?
[19:39] <ogra_> dobey, oh ... it is *actually* seeded in touch ...
[19:39] <DonkeyHotei> where are kernel configs stored in the local repo?
[19:40] <dobey> ogra_: i guess we should drop it from that seed no?
[19:40] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, not sure we store them there ... for the oficial nexus builds we use kernel packages from the archive
[19:40] <DonkeyHotei> how exactly are those pulled in?
[19:40] <ogra_> dobey, i would like to have a small discussion ... i'll try to not forget to bring it up tomorrow on the ML
[19:41] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, some build script downloads them from the archive
[19:41] <ogra_> (the binaries)
[19:41] <dobey> ogra_: sure
[19:41] <DonkeyHotei> for non-mako, this would be from a ppa?
[19:42] <ogra_> no, you can use your devices kernel tree
[19:42] <DonkeyHotei> where is that set?
[19:42] <ogra_> i dont think the modifications are outside of the specific device trees
[19:42] <ogra_> no idea ...
[19:42] <renatu> studio_, I will try to reproduce the problem here, Thanks for your help. I will ping you as soon as I have a new version
[19:42] <ogra_> i rarely touch the android side
[19:43] <DonkeyHotei> so it just grabs the kernel from aosp?
[19:43] <ogra_> i think so
[19:43] <ogra_> no idea how the hammerhead build is done
[19:43] <studio_> renatu, i try to help where i can, because i also get help here :)
[19:49] <popey> renatu: we have a crash in calendar which looks like it could actually be in eds.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1423185
[19:49] <popey> renatu: we are able to trigger crashes in calendar _really_ easily now.
[19:49] <popey> renatu: just enable syncing, open calendar and switch view before the events appear.
[19:50] <popey> renatu: I plan to test some more tomorrow morning, and will try and get some kind of backtrace, but wondered if you could take a look also, as it seems to not be calendar itself.
[19:50] <renatu> popey, I will take a look, thanks
[19:51] <popey> thank you.
[19:59] <studio_> may i can ask again how to add more space for my device with a ext4 formated sd card, sorry, my log was deleted and i can't review ... i found this, but it was also closed: "http://askubuntu.com/questions/589622/changes-to-fstab-overwritten-after-reboot-ubuntu-touch-15-04-r1-on-a-nexus-7" my problem is where to find the real fstab?
[20:08] <dobey> studio_: it would probably be better to re-enable automount for it instead of trying to tweak fstab
[20:08] <tedg> elopio, No, not really. I'm not sure who would do that, it's basically throw away as no one would need that for any production situation.
[20:09] <elopio> tedg: not throw aways, testability helpers :)
[20:10] <studio_> dobey, how to automount on Ubuntu-Touch 15.04 with ext4? is there something i can read?
[20:10] <dobey> studio_: find the change which disabled it, and revert it?
[20:11] <studio_> "find the change which disabled it" come on, you are funny, where can i read about this?
[20:12] <dobey> in the change log for the sources for the related packages?
[20:13] <tedg> elopio, I think you guys should focus on getting a mirfb, that's more generally useful than continuing to work around it with xvfb.
[20:13] <dobey> it's probably a udev rule change
[20:14] <elopio> tedg: I agree with that. I'm just looking for a plan B.
[20:14] <studio_> for me it is not easy, why it can't be changed by the devs?
[20:14] <elopio> tedg: I will push for mirfb first.
[20:14] <studio_> i'd like to try by myself, but i need stuff to read ...
[20:16] <dobey> studio_: it was explicitly disabled for some reason, as you were told already several days ago. i don't know the exact reason for it, or if there's any documentation on why/how it was done.
[20:16] <studio_> dobey, when you write "find the change which disabled it", where do begin to read?
[20:16] <dobey> i already answered that
[20:17] <studio_> where do i find informations about the real fstab in ubuntu touch?
[20:20] <dobey> fstab is probably some android majick
[20:20] <dobey> oh no, but probably generated to deal with the android lxc
[20:21] <popey> ogra said the other day that fstab is generated on boot
[20:21] <popey> so if you modify it, it gets overwritten
[20:21] <studio_> ok, but where to find? to close "http://askubuntu.com/questions/589622/changes-to-fstab-overwritten-after-reboot-ubuntu-touch-15-04-r1-on-a-nexus-7" was also not the right decission ...
[20:21] <popey> its closed because AU don't support unreleased versions of ubuntu
[20:22] <popey> it even says that on the page
[20:22] <studio_> but we are here for unreleased versions, right?
[20:23] <popey> askubuntu has its own rules
[20:23] <studio_> therefore i ask here
[20:23] <dobey> omfg
[20:24] <studio_> dobey, sorry, i lost my log from the last chat, therefore i can't read how to mount the ext4 formated sd-card
[20:25] <studio_> :(
[20:25] <popey> the channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[20:26] <dobey> the channel also has rules, though they aren't all the same as those of askubuntu
[20:28] <studio_> popey, thanks :)
[23:06] <darthweezer> hello
[23:08] <darthweezer> I am trying to install ubuntu on my zte nt8000 phone and seem to be having a bit of a difficult time. It is rooted and as far as I can see ready to go just can not seem to get the terminal cmds right if that makes sense
[23:14] <elimisteve> Any new rumors on when Meizu will talk about Ubuntu Touch loud and proud? I'm disappointed at the minimal coverage of UT on the MX4, and that nothing has been clarified about Ubuntu Flyme OS, whether the phone will just run Ubuntu or dual-boot with Android, or what, at MWC
[23:49] <elimisteve> doesn't seem like Ubuntu on the MX4 has "announced" at MWC