[03:02] <xs20> good evening
[03:14] <holstein> o/
[07:02] <InfoCentral> So I tried several time to do a clean install of Studio without sucess.  It either freezed or errored.
[07:04] <InfoCentral> What I was able to do was install Ubuntu 12 from an old disk I have and then upgrade to 14.  What is the difference between Ubuntu Studio and Ubuntu 14?  Can I just download the modules onto Ubuntu 14?
[07:08] <InfoCentral> Help
[07:08] <cfhowlett> !help
[07:09] <InfoCentral> I believe I did ask a few questions
[07:26] <zequence> InfoCentral: There are a few differences. Are you using Ubuntu Studio for music production?
[07:27] <zequence> If not, it doesn't really matter. If yes, you'll need to set up your system for realtime audio.
[07:27] <InfoCentral> Mostly graphics but yes I was planning on using it for podcasting too.
[07:28] <zequence> podcasting, using jack?
[07:28] <InfoCentral> Audacity
[07:28] <zequence> Jack is the pro audio server.
[07:28] <zequence> Ok, right. You record with Audacity. Then, put the files as links somewhere
[07:29] <zequence> No problem. You don't need realtime settings for that
[07:29] <InfoCentral> This is my intro into Linux.  Been using Windows but an trying out Ubuntu if I can get it work.  Not much luck yet.
[07:30] <cfhowlett> while I would love to welcome you to ubuntustudio, be advised that audacity also runs on windows.  just sayin ...
[07:30] <zequence> InfoCentral: Why not make a usb installer of Ubuntu Studio, and install from that? Also, sounds like there may be some problem with your old DVD
[07:32] <InfoCentral> The old DVD with Ubuntu 12 and installation is rock solid.  Its when I try to get Studio installed that everything falls apart.
[07:32] <zequence> Doesn't sound rock solid to me
[07:32] <zequence> You mean, it freezes when you install packages using Software Center?
[07:32] <zequence> How are you installing Ubuntu Studio?
[07:33] <cfhowlett> InfoCentral, this ^^^.  why not download Ubuntustudio 14.04.2, make a new USB/DVD and install from there?
[07:34] <InfoCentral> I am thinking about doing that but not sure if that is the problem.  I had Studio check the disk before install and it says it fine.  The error message I get say that there was an "internal error"
[07:35] <zequence> InfoCentral: You say you get it when you try to install Ubuntu Studio. How are you trying to install Ubuntu Studio?
[07:35] <InfoCentral> I have 2 DVD's one with Ubuntu 12 and one with Studio 14
[07:37] <zequence> Ok, so it does sound like there could be a problem with the DVD
[07:37] <zequence> DVDs in my experience are often faulty
[07:37] <zequence> Much better to use a usb installer
[07:37] <zequence> IF you have the iso, you can use an application such as http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/, or http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[07:38] <zequence> Just make sure to use the iso for making the installer, not one of the menu options
[07:38] <zequence> The easiest, and most reliable way is to use Ubuntu for making the usb installer though
[07:39] <zequence> using dd in the terminal
[07:40] <InfoCentral> Yeah, your going way beyond me now.  I am an artist not a network tech.
[07:40] <zequence> The two apps I linked to are installable on Windows
[07:42] <zequence> You'll need a usb stick, which will be wiped
[07:42] <InfoCentral> To boot from a usb with an iso would require a blank usb?
[07:42] <zequence> It doesn't need to be blank before you make the installer
[07:42] <zequence> You'll need to select the usb stick in your bios later as what to boot from too.
[07:43] <zequence> Another extra precaution is to check the iso for errors after downloading it.
[07:44] <zequence> On windows you can use something like this http://www.winmd5.com/ (I have never used it)
[07:44] <zequence> The MD5SUMS file is on this link for 14.04.2 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/14.04.2/release/
[07:45] <zequence> This is the actual MD5SUMS file http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/14.04.2/release/MD5SUMS.
[07:45] <zequence> Using the MD5 app I linked to on the ISO file would give you a long string of characters. Those must be exactly the same as on the MD5SUMS file
[07:46] <zequence> THis is to ensure you got every bit of the ISO when downloading, which is not always the case
[07:46] <InfoCentral> Yeah, I read about Ubuntu Studio and said hey I'll give it a try.  So I followed the instructions and it has proven to be undoable.  I then remember I had an old 12 disk and pulled that out just to see if I could get it to install.  It worked like a charm.
[07:46] <zequence> I think torrents can be more reliable
[07:46] <zequence> InfoCentral: I still think it's the DVD that causes the problem
[07:47] <zequence> It's not undoable. IT's actually pretty fantastic that you can install something made by volunteers on pretty much anything without much corporate support
[07:47] <zequence> You'd have the same problem with any OS, if the DVD was faulty
[07:48] <InfoCentral> Right now I have it {once again} upgrading it to 14.04
[07:49] <zequence> Since you aren't going to do any audio work, other than using Audacity, you won't need Ubuntu Studio
[07:49] <zequence> If you want to check out all the graphics or video apps, just install the Ubuntu Studio packages for those
[07:50] <zequence> ubuntustudio-video ubuntustudio-graphics
[07:50] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio has the exact same core as Ubuntu
[07:50] <InfoCentral> how do I install those?
[07:50] <zequence> ALl of the packages are in the Ubuntu repositories
[07:51] <zequence> Use Ubuntu Software Center
[07:51] <InfoCentral> which is where?
[07:51] <zequence> In your UBuntu panel
[07:52] <zequence> It's an application for installating packages from the Ubuntu repositories onto your computer via the internet
[07:52] <InfoCentral> hummm...I'll have to look for that once it finsihes upgrading
[07:52] <zequence> You practically never download stuff manually from the internet and double click to install, like you do on Windows.
[07:53] <InfoCentral> and these packages are listed in this Sofware Center?
[07:53] <zequence> Most of what you will ever need is at your fingertips just using a package installer, such as Ubuntu Software Center, or synaptic, or whatever
[07:53] <zequence> They are in the UBuntu repositories. Package managers have different ways of listing them, but the packages are there
[07:54] <zequence> In the Universe repository, which is community maintained
[07:55] <zequence> Anyway, it's not rocket sciense, just look around in your desktop. It's all there.
[07:55] <zequence> Good luck
[07:55] <InfoCentral> I was under the impression Linux would be like Windows and Mac but it is very complicated
[08:06] <zequence> InfoCentral: I can give you one tip, which will greatly simplify your first experience. Ubuntu and all its flavors, including Ubuntu Studio, don't come preinstalled with non-free codecs and other small things that you might be used to
[08:07] <zequence> InfoCentral: If you want those, install the package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:07] <zequence> Among other things, you'll get support for converting into mp3 and being able to watch flash content
[08:08] <zequence> I would use ogg over mp3 though
[08:09] <zequence> Also, if you have a NVIDIA or AMD graphic card, and you need better performance from your graphics, you might want to try installing the non-free drivers
[08:09] <zequence> ..provided by the companies themselves, but packaged in Ubuntu (the companies don't make packages for Ubuntu themselves)
[08:10] <zequence> You can use the application Software Sources (gtk-software-sources in a terminal), and use the last tab to check for non-free drivers
[08:11] <zequence> With that, you will still not be able to play dvd movies with encryption, since that is not a free format either
[08:11] <zequence> ..until you install the appropriate library.
[08:11] <zequence> You can read about that here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[08:12] <zequence> The only thing complicated is using restricted formats, I would say
[08:12] <zequence> The rest is pretty simple.
[08:33] <InfoCentral> In looking around I think I will try Mint 17.1 as it supposed to be the best for beginners which I am
[08:58] <InfoCentral> Finished upgrade to 14.04 and upon reboot get the same "internal error" messages but at least it got installed.  Found the Software Sources folder and the Studio packages.  Installing now...
[11:46] <ghil> Hello people! just a quick question: I just installed Ubuntu studio, which is so far awesome, but would like to update to the latest XFCE. Will there be something preventing me from doing it, or would using the XFCE PPA be okay?
[11:58] <zequence> ghil: Just be aware that there's no official support for the PPA
[11:59] <zequence> More bugs, probably
[11:59] <ghil> oh that's completely okay, and of course I understand. I was just wondering if there where special conditions to look for when upgrading :D
[11:59] <zequence> The PPA will override whatever is in the official repositories
[12:00] <zequence> That's basically it
[12:00] <zequence> The packages in the PPA will override the ones in the official repositories, that is, if the version in the PPA is higher than in the official repo
[13:22] <yttamar> hi friends I'm starting on linux and am having a problem I have a firewire audio card 1814 the studio obuntu recognizes but does not exit the audio do not know how to set this guy jack audio server if someone can help me help thank'm tired of virus in windows !!!
[13:22] <yttamar> sou brasileiro
[13:23] <yttamar> someone?
[13:39] <yttamar> sorry! here no one helps anyone thanks to all !!!