[00:01] I have a question about systemd and upgrading - will my Vivid beta be converted to systemd at the proper time, or is it better to install the systemd-sysv package [00:02] I'm sure we'll get this question in #kubuntu [00:02] valorie: yeah I would like to know myself >.< I am not prepared [00:03] perhaps I'll write to the devel list [00:03] good plan [00:03] it's a bit late in the day to be asking here [00:03] btw, atm. in grub if we go to extra options, we have kernel version listed with suffix (systemd) - what are they [00:03] the ops have prepared [00:03] !systemd [00:03] systemd is the default init system for new installations of Ubuntu 15.04 onwards. For information on transitioning from upstart to systemd, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers [00:03] which is helpful [00:04] right, and I guess choosing the options would be a good idea for testing [00:04] I tend not to shut this machine down though [00:08] valorie: Your vivid beta will not be converted to systemd automatically. [00:09] thanks for the answer, rww [00:09] The dependency on ubuntu-standard is changing to systemd-sysv | upstart. New installations will pick systemd-sysv from that and get systemd. Existing systems will already have upstart and will stick with that on upgrade. [00:09] but new installs will be systemd, I assume? [00:09] ah [00:10] (ubottu's link discusses how to switch upstart to systemd) [00:10] I guess I will switch once vivid is released [00:10] right [00:11] I've retreated from the bleeding edge once I got cut like an ambassador [00:21] valorie, ! [00:23] hi ahoneybun [00:23] {{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} [00:23] how are you valorie [00:23] * ahoneybun hugs back [00:23] pretty darn good [00:23] awesome [00:23] even kdeconnect is now working in vivid [00:23] kde 5 looks amazing [00:23] \o/ [00:23] thank you Riddell [00:24] .....plasma 5 [00:24] yes, 'tis excellent [00:24] yes Plasma 5 [00:24] I loved it so much I was trying to install a darn Beta to get it (I know you can get it in 14.10) [00:24] don't do it in 14.10 [00:25] yea it is a bit broken [00:25] if you want to upgrade to vivid [00:25] just install vivid beta, which is what I have [00:25] I could not get it to install valorie [00:25] if you do decide to go the next ppa route, please back up everything [00:25] I lost all my recent files [00:25] I do always [00:26] I wish I'd had more patience [00:26] oh, well [00:26] valorie, I hit a UEFI bug in the installer [00:26] I didn't have to fight that [00:26] that sucks [00:26] yep partman crashed [00:26] thanks for going to the trouble to file that [00:26] * ahoneybun could use a gparted image to format maybe [00:27] uefi is dark magic indeed [00:27] valorie, is everything in place on that report do you think? [00:27] I tried reading up on it and my head exploded [00:27] what a mess [00:27] valorie, most of the time it works fine on every distro [00:28] only problem was on Luna which was weird since Ubuntu 14.04 worked fine [00:28] ahoneybun: I thought you were going to add some screenies? [00:28] otherwise it looks good, yes [00:28] funny thing is that apport crashed the first time XD [00:29] valorie, I think it is time that the Docs images got updated [00:29] sheesh [00:29] of for sure [00:29] our docs are now out of date [00:30] yep I'll work on that in a bit [00:30] sorry for the absent [00:30] unfortunately, I'm very busy with KDE student contests [00:30] still wrapping up SoK and GCi [00:30] and already beginning GSoC [00:34] how does one add more attachments? [00:34] found it [00:34] adding images valorie [00:35] cool [00:35] now we need to find someone else to test it [00:35] brb [00:35] perhaps tweet/G+/FB comment? [00:50] Val [00:50] valorie: still here? [00:52] yep [00:53] did you see my last comment? [00:53] No sorry [00:54] perhaps tweet/G+/FB comment? [00:54] to get more testing/comments on the bug [00:54] Oh yeah well I just broke my machine so... Lol [00:55] I have to get a new Ubuntu image or get the kubuntu one to work [00:55] been there, done that [00:55] didn't cry, but ..... gah [00:55] I did not format the fat32 partition to efi [00:56] Wanted to see if I could get past it that way [00:56] sec [00:56] In theory I would just have to get grub Efi to install now [01:00] oops, gotta go fix dinner [01:01] K [01:08] pft Riddell: merge from initial upload is no go due to kubuntu_stable does not exist for all apps.. [01:08] hey ahoneybun [01:08] Hey sgclark [01:10] I dislike kde identity [01:10] sgclark: do you plan to work on 4.12.3 applications ? [01:11] I reset the password so they gave me a tmp one and it does not work [01:12] Oh [01:15] soee: that is what I was attempting to do when it did not go as well as I hoped. It may have to be done manual unless Riddell has any ideas. Tho he is asleep now I suspect.. [01:17] :) [01:19] let me try a bash scripty type thing.. [01:27] nope, can't even find a list of packages that are in kubuntu_stable.. [01:33] Oh wow [01:33] Did not know it did that [01:33] Sweet [01:44] valorie: that Linuxfest is not the same as the lfnw that we are going to is it? [01:45] There is a northwest and another one sgclark [01:46] One is northwest and I think the other is southeast [01:46] ah [01:48] you in the pnw too ahoneybun? [01:49] Pnw? [01:50] pacific northwest [01:50] I'm in the low south [01:50] Fl [01:50] you seemed to know our linuxfests :) [01:50] ahh gotcha [01:56] Lol I've looked them up [01:56] Wishing I could go to a few [02:07] valorie: I got it installed [02:07] Also you can install steam now [02:20] yofel: I got past the bug I reported === aaron is now known as ahoneybun [03:36] valorie: i misread. init will get a depend on systemd-sysv | upstart, and then ubuntu-standard is getting a depend on systemd-sysv. so upgrades should get it too eventually === aaron is now known as Guest73321 === Guest73321 is now known as ahoneybun [05:09] rww: Both on Monday according to the current plan. === aaron is now known as ahoneybun [05:51] sgclark: you are probably asleep already but no, I'll be at linuxfest nw [05:52] the one I can't attend is the new one in Spokane in May [05:52] not sure what they are calling it [05:53] valorie: yeah done turned pumpkin as we speak lol, ok good to know :) yeah I will be going to Az in May so that one out for me too [06:01] I'll be in Connecticult [06:01] I hope winter is over by May [06:02] oops, extra L in there [06:03] sweet dreams, sgclark [06:03] 5 weeks until Bob is on the trail [06:03] I hope we're ready [06:26] ScottK, rww, thanks! [09:58] Riddell: how did you build kconnect? the packaging has le bug [10:00] sitter: que bug? I just got it from git [10:02] Riddell: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/199451020/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.kdeconnect-plasma_0.0%2Bgit20150305.1601%2B15.04-0ubuntu0_BUILDING.txt.gz [10:02] dh_strip.pkg-create-dbgsym: debug package kdeconnect-plasma5-dbg is not listed in the control file [10:02] hmm, I fixed that, maybe I failed to push [10:03] probably, would have gotten picked up in the daily buidl at least [10:17] 10:17 Oh no! You're suspected of having broken merger_kdeconnect-plasma: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdeconnect-plasma/5/ [10:17] naughty me :( [10:19] 10:18 Yippee! Seems you've fixed merger_kdeconnect-plasma: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdeconnect-plasma/6/ [10:19] awooga, go me [10:20] Riddell: you totally made me get a notification as well :P [10:20] dragging me into this, how rude [10:24] Riddell: oh btw, I wonder you created a ktp-common-internals vivid branch but you did not remove the full-source import, nor did you update it, any particular reason for that? [10:26] sitter: did I? where? [10:26] git.debian [10:26] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/ktp-common-internals.git/tree/?h=kubuntu_vivid [10:26] and the name is wrong FTR [10:26] :P [10:34] Riddell: review needed 4 http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/ktp-common-internals.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=ee0c056e801acf4060a6bc8505182b30ad9265cb [10:51] mitya57: do you need push sponsorship for you lconvert review? [11:11] sitter, yes please [11:12] sitter: your ktp-common-internals packaging looks like a work of perfection === tazz_ is now known as tazz [11:15] oh next week switch to systemd [11:15] may it break my systeme ? :) === soee__ is now known as soee [11:16] mitya57: pushed. thanks for the fix :) [11:16] Riddell: oh you'll make me blush [11:17] sitter, danke [11:22] Riddell: interestingly I started to autogenerate build dependency from the metadata build.kde is generated thanks to Aleix' scripting magic seems very reliable so far [11:23] going to roll this into CI at some point. I'm not too thrilled about the fact that we can't accurately determine whether a dependency is directly or transitively needed but even with transitives mixed in it beats having to track this stuff manually [11:27] sitter: kubuntu ci stores all the build-deps of stuff? does it let me find changed build-depends? [11:28] Riddell: build.kde does and yes it lets us detect changes [11:45] Hi all [12:42] soee: You could already try it ;) [12:57] lordievader: yeah but i decided to wait till it becames default one [12:59] soee: Should be fine. The Ubuntu boxes I've moved to Sysd went without trouble. [13:00] Come to think of it, I should move my desktop. [13:02] :) [13:03] lordievader: what do we need to do to use systemd ? [13:03] soee: Pretty much just one line in /etc/default/grub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd#Boot_loader_configuration [13:04] it's easier than that [13:04] so when is the rest of KDE4 like dolphin apps going to adopt the colours and setings I choose in system settings etc, even Firefox is till using breeze default which I find too light looking for my taste [13:04] just hold down shift to get grub -> Advanced Options -> linux (systemd) [13:04] soee: or install systemd-sysv [13:05] Riddell: and what is teh recommended way ? [13:06] Riddell: Heh, nice. [13:07] soee: using grub is easy and non-permanent [13:08] ok systemd-sysv will remove upstart right ? [13:10] yep [13:10] and are there any problems with systemd atm ? [13:11] soee: working good for me [13:11] kdesudo systemsettings won't launch, had to do it in /usr/bin, but the toolbar fonts etc are stiill too small/default for this monitor, and editing with root permissions has become a chore since thew system settings fonts won't apply , even with root permissions . Sure hope this is just temporary [13:13] ok reboot, lets hope i boot again [13:16] survived? ^^ [13:17] works fine :) and a bit better when talkng about various messages during booting compared to upstart [13:18] now i had only "starting vesion 219" or something, before after that iv seen also several others [13:20] soee: \o/ [13:23] I can't work out where stdout goes from startkde and all that [13:23] ~/.xsession-errors is just error messages and journalctl doesn't seem to give anything [13:25] oh Riddell, sgclark said that she has some problems with 14.12.3 [13:25] fooey [13:25] :-) [13:29] is there a command to check latest changes to package ? [13:31] hmm alternative to no notification from Thunderbird when new message arrrives: use kde connect with app that notifies you about new mails :) [13:35] soee: you can read the changelog.. or do you mean the diff? [13:36] yofel: just what has been changed since last version when updating [13:37] hm, there is something for that I believe, but I can't remember it -.- [13:44] getting the Xauthority can't be read error so kde can't start at the sddm login [13:45] on irssi here [13:45] Riddell: you do remember that we need to re-enable systemd support in sddm btw? [13:45] sitter: it's in the current package in vivid [13:46] ah perfect then [13:46] re-enable ? ..I installed systemd-sysv [13:46] valorie: please just tidy up those wiki pages to remove the next PPAs [13:48] kaj: install upstart if systemd breaks for you, or at boot hold down shift to get grub menu then Advanced Ubuntu -> Linux (upstart) === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [13:50] yeah Riddell, yes I was doing so...assume this Xauthority thing is fiable [13:50] part [13:51] exit [13:51] Xauthority error is unrelated [13:51] heh [13:51] ok [13:51] it's just sddm which isn't starting [13:51] sddm starts but I get that xauthority error that says kde can't be started [13:58] Riddell: the problem where Dolphin can't browse files on android device is related to kdeconnect package or its dolphin that can't handle it ? [14:00] soee: it's both, kdeconnect is kf5 while dolphin kdelibs4 so the ioslave isn't compatible [14:01] I wonder if i should make a limited package of the old kdeconnect-kde with only ioslave and dolphin plugin in it [14:44] ScottK: hi, do you know anything about kde partition manager failing to start on 15.04? [14:44] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344549 [14:44] KDE bug 344549 in general "Cannot start System Manager on Vivid by the K Application Menu" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [14:44] somebody claims that it still fails even though they are running plasma 5.2.1 [14:52] Riddell: did my email to kubuntu-devel ever make it in? [14:54] stikonas: fwiw partitionmanager starts fine for me on 15.04 [14:54] I have no idea where to assign that bug... [14:58] stikonas: I heard it was fixed and I heard it was not fixed. I hope to set up a vivid system today to try it. [14:59] resizing my book as we speak :) so far so good [14:59] Excellent. [15:11] well it seems to be hanging @ 40% [15:21] sgclack: check details? [15:21] yeah it is definately stuck. [15:21] it might be that some external tool is running that doesn't provide any means to estimate the progress [15:22] progress is there [15:27] resize was a success but it is stuck on moving to sector 2048 [15:30] strange... I don't think there were any code changes there for a long time. I personally never touched that code... [15:31] yeah it did not reformat to ext4. hmm. resize was a success though [15:32] oh, reformat failed? [15:32] not moving partitions... [15:33] ok it seems in the advanced there is a checkbox align partition, I think that is the point of failure [15:34] ok, if you can somehow reproduce it then it would be helpful to have a bug report... [15:34] "Partition â/dev/sda3â is not properly aligned (last sector: 1152804929, modulo: 66)." [15:37] unchecked that box and it formatted like a champ [15:38] ok, I'll see it later if I can reproduce it... [15:38] ext4? [15:38] yeah [15:38] USB My Book Drive if that makes a diff [15:38] which come with ntfs [15:39] I'll see what happens on my USB flash drive... [15:43] looks like it is stuck here too [15:44] sglarck: btrfs works fine though... [15:46] sgclark: does the same happen if you run mkfs.ext4 from the terminal? [15:48] actually, ext4 works here too, just takes a bit longer... [15:48] stikonas: ran that and no errors [15:48] so I can't really reproduce it [15:48] at least not yet... [15:49] perhaps I just had some wierd something, let me try again.. [15:49] strange, the only thing partition manager calls is mkfs.ext4 -q deviceNode [15:53] err now the ntfs part is unknown and I can only make new partition table. Good thing it was not important lol [15:54] dunno what I did, I set it to resize then format the new partition to ext4 [16:11] lol rejected form kubuntu-devel.. oh well [16:36] sgclark: oh sad :( I'm out just now but will be back in a few hours and can add whatever e-mail addresses you need to the list then [16:42] Riddell: thanks :) [18:00] can someone comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1417659? [18:01] Launchpad bug 1417659 in kdevelop (Ubuntu) "Please update kdevelop to 4.7.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] [18:02] I did not backport, only vivid atm... [18:04] where can I find these 2 files isolinux.bin and vesamenu.c32 [18:04] i installed the isolinux package, but can't locate isolinux.bin [18:08] VolUTFan: syslinux-common, apt-file is your friend ;) [18:08] for 64 bit, I believe this is the correct one for vesamenu.c32 /usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi64/vesamenu.c32 [18:08] thanks, let me give that a spin. much appreciated yofel [18:09] interesting, I already have syslinux-common installed, but can't locate the isolinux.bin, any ideas on that? [18:12] *facepalm* - ran that on the wrong release, on vivid it's: [18:12] isolinux: /usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isolinux.bin [18:12] hot dog, awesome tool [18:13] yea, I just found it. apt-file is awesome [18:13] thanks a bunch yofel [18:20] do I dare try installing the nvidia-340 driver or should stick with nouveau while this nvidia-prime and related bugs continue to break things? [18:28] it's a massive upgrade with all kinds of gtk/Unity libs etc included.. I don't think so :/ [20:36] BluesKaj: NVidia driver is working for me [20:36] sgclark: what do you need [20:36] ? [20:38] yeah, KDDA, I took a chance and installed it , seems ok now [20:38] I have a GeForce GT 230M using 340.76 [20:38] sgclark: subscribed your e-mail and set to nomail [20:41] KDDA, a GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS) here [20:42] works fine as on this older pc/media server [20:43] BluesKaj: you had this problem when tried to install nvidia driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1428328 ? [20:43] Launchpad bug 1428328 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "nvidia-prime needs sddm support" [Medium,Confirmed] [20:43] if so add yuorself as affected [20:45] ididn't try nvidia-prime , soee, i had a different error it had to dowith ICEAuthority orsome such not allowing kde to start , so ireinstall the OS clean. [20:46] reinstalled [20:46] ah ok [20:46] bbl...stuuf to do for a few mins [20:47] but nvidia-340 instlled fine, I just didn't install systemd-sysv until afterwards === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [21:16] valorie: did you get a time/days for kubuntu stuff at akademy? [21:49] hey Riddell [21:53] hi ahoneybun chico [21:59] nice one http://martys.typepad.com/blog/2015/03/kde-telepathy-joins-kde-applications-release-bundle-as-fully-ported-to-plasma-5.html [22:01] Riddell: sorry the darn thing did not tell you messaged back [22:05] Riddell: plamsa 5 is awesome [22:13] ovidiu-florin: hey [22:43] ahoneybun: awooga [22:44] rid [22:44] testing from kde connect [22:47] I crashed plasma early via kdeconnect [22:49] was sending a 300Mb file and cancelled it from Kubuntu box, it didnt like it and crashed the entire UI [22:49] lost my custom look and favourite apps! [22:51] KDDA: please get a backtrace of that and report on bugs.kde.org, vaca is needing to know the issues for release [22:51] not sure how to recreate it! [22:51] send the file again :) [22:52] install kdeconnect-plasma-dbg first [22:52] I deleted it [22:52] was a ROM on my mobile [22:52] I realised I had it on my Kubuntu box and didnt need it [22:52] could have just been the big file [22:53] Riddell: kde connect is slick [22:53] ahoneybun: do you have a menu item Send to in Doplhin? [22:53] let me check [22:54] I see send via bluetooth KDDA [22:55] but no KDE Connect? [22:55] not in doplhin [22:56] thanks for confirming [22:56] I just turned some settings on and off so I;ll check again [22:56] KDDA: your talking about the right click menu right? [22:57] Riddell: ping [22:57] ahoneybun: think its a problem with dolphin, still needs to be ported to KF5 [22:57] ahoneybun: yes [22:57] ok KDDA seems so then [22:57] just getting a second opinion [22:57] incase I was being stupid and missed it [22:58] Riddell: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu - time for a reboot for Plasma 5 and 15.04! [22:58] could you try the file transfer, see if you can recreate that bug/crash? [22:59] sure KDDA but how do I start it? [22:59] have you a bigish file on your phone? [22:59] oh phone -> pc? [23:00] yup [23:00] then cancel it via the nofication area in plasma 5 [23:00] I have a 60mb video I thin [23:00] k [23:01] ahoneybun: yep, lots of docs should be updated. ubiquity slideshow and website feature tour too [23:01] I canceled it on the pc [23:01] ahoneybun: ah hah, you started that :) [23:01] KDDA: I just got a "Failed to send file" [23:02] no crash? [23:02] Riddell: yep added a few images :) https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Basic#Networking [23:02] KDDA: nothing that I see [23:02] I'll try again [23:03] it was about a 120mb video btw KDDA [23:04] did you cancel it via the nofication in plasma? [23:04] KDDA: ok I tried sending the video though the Gallery app and the File Manager on the phone and then canceled them both with no errors or crashes [23:05] I clicked the icon with the progress bar on the system tray [23:05] strange [23:06] does it matter when I stop it (as in half done) [23:06] I dont know, when it happened to me it was about half done [23:06] its pretty fast [23:06] I can tell you the pause button does not work KDDA [23:07] ok canceled it half done and still no crash just a failed to send [23:07] I clicked cancel and then cleared the nofication and the UI crashed [23:07] I clicked the red arrow to clear it and nothing [23:08] maybe it was a one off [23:08] its just weird KDDA [23:08] Riddell: do you like the screenies? [23:09] the upload file nofication struck on my phone too [23:11] brb [23:13] ahoneybun: yep, looking great [23:33] do we have some slogan/motto for 15.04 ? [23:46] Plasma 5: it'll make you good looking [23:46] something like that? [23:47] i don't know :D did Kubuntu ever had such thing for any release ? [23:47] not really [23:47] but suggestions welcome :) [23:47] it should [23:48] this releae is all about Plasma 5 imo, so something with Plasma 5 [23:49] yep [23:53] Plasma 5 - is alive! [23:54] << short circuit fan [23:54] :)