| didrocks | morning | 07:43 |
|---|---|---|
| darkxst | hey didrocks | 07:54 |
| didrocks | evening darkxst | 07:56 |
| ochosi | larsu: after fiddling more with symbolic icons, i can only say this is really worth it! it's super easy and super failsafe, since it falls back to non-symbolic icons automatically if there are non found. so to the worst you get your current behavior | 07:58 |
| darkxst | didrocks, is the timezone master ;) | 08:01 |
| didrocks | ahah | 08:04 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 08:15 |
| pitti | hey darkxst | 08:15 |
| didrocks | hey pitti | 08:16 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks pitti ochosi darkxst | 08:20 |
| ochosi | morning seb128 | 08:20 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128, ça va ? | 08:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, oui, très bien, c'est vendredi ! et toi ? | 08:20 |
| pitti | seb128: j'ai un rhume, je me sense faible :/ | 08:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, :-( | 08:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, repose toi ! | 08:23 |
| jpds | pitti: http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/english/Fahrrad.jpg | 08:24 |
| pitti | *chuckle* | 08:24 |
| darkxst | hey seb128 | 08:25 |
| Laney | hello! | 09:10 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 09:10 |
| Laney | soooooooooo does anyone else have to frequently restart n-m to get networking to work on resume? | 09:10 |
| Laney | as a bonus, this time restarting nm locked the machine up | 09:11 |
| Laney | hi didrocks! | 09:11 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, wie gehts? | 09:12 |
| didrocks | Laney: hum, not yet at least :) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | Laney, no, didn't have n-m issues since brussels here | 09:12 |
| Laney | ofono was stopped btw | 09:12 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 09:13 |
| Laney | not bad, got tea and I can see the sky | 09:13 |
| Laney | you? | 09:13 |
| seb128 | I'm good, thanks :-) | 09:14 |
| willcooke | Hello from another airport desktoppers | 09:18 |
| willcooke | Did anything burn down this week? | 09:18 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke! | 09:19 |
| willcooke | hey seb128 | 09:19 |
| seb128 | no, we know how to party without burning the house don't worry | 09:19 |
| seb128 | ups, did I say party? no no, we worked hard this week | 09:19 |
| seb128 | nothing to worry about :p | 09:19 |
| willcooke | XD | 09:19 |
| seb128 | how was WMC? | 09:20 |
| willcooke | Thanks for yours and didrocks reply on that email thread about MWC - it looks like we're heading in a better direction now | 09:20 |
| willcooke | MWC was AWESOME! | 09:20 |
| willcooke | Everybody loves the convergence demo. Lots of people coming back to show their friends and colleagues | 09:20 |
| willcooke | Some Ubuntu fans even gave it a round of applause | 09:21 |
| willcooke | :D | 09:21 |
| didrocks | willcooke: excellent! I hope you had fun :) | 09:21 |
| seb128 | nice | 09:22 |
| didrocks | willcooke: next step, adding a clapping sensors to transform in desktop mode! | 09:22 |
| willcooke | It was fun, but really hard work. Standing up from 8am to 7pm with no proper breaks. | 09:22 |
| seb128 | try to not get the ubuflu on the way back! | 09:23 |
| didrocks | yeah, and standing the whole day, not used to that anymore working from home desk :) | 09:23 |
| didrocks | mwcflu :p | 09:23 |
| willcooke | :D | 09:24 |
| didrocks | willcooke: enjoy seating in the plane at least ;) | 09:25 |
| willcooke | :D | 09:27 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Laney, I need some advice regarding a package update. | 09:49 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Laney, Please could you cast your eye over my last reply in this bug please. | 09:49 |
| flexiondotorg_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-menu/+bug/1427742 | 09:49 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1427742 in mate-menu (Ubuntu) "mate-menu package needs updating" [Undecided,New] | 09:49 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Just want to know what I should do about the changelog entry for a version that was never release to Ubuntu. | 09:50 |
| Laney | hi flexiondotorg_, usually I'd update that one instead of adding a new one on top | 09:53 |
| Laney | so each entry corresponds to one upload in ubuntu | 09:53 |
| flexiondotorg_ | So merge the last code review into the new one and skip the release that never happened? | 09:58 |
| Laney | Sounds right, you want people to be reviewing the changes between today's archive and what you want to upload | 10:00 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Laney, Thanks. I'll do that now. | 10:00 |
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| Laney | larsu: doing a gtk upload to fix that messagedialog-icon thing, thought I'd take the commit to add a CSS class to title buttons too | 10:36 |
| Laney | are there any other ones you need? | 10:36 |
| sabdfl | hi folks, wonder if someone with indicator-location insight would look at this crasher: | 10:39 |
| sabdfl | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-location/+bug/1419405 | 10:39 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1419405 in indicator-location (Ubuntu) "indicator-location-service crashed with SIGABRT in internal::ToBackend::exit_module()" [Medium,Confirmed] | 10:39 |
| sabdfl | seems to have been around a while, regular crash on startup | 10:39 |
| Laney | sabdfl: Not sure if this is meant to work on current desktops (it's not installed by default there) - should exit cleanly instead of crashing though if that's the case. | 10:45 |
| Laney | charles: ^? | 10:45 |
| Laney | Sounds unfriendly for platform-api to be aborting... | 10:47 |
| sabdfl | yes indeed | 10:48 |
| sabdfl | it may have come in with unity8 which i have on this machine | 10:48 |
| sabdfl | but still | 10:48 |
| Laney | likely | 10:50 |
| ogra_ | technically you should have a dummy location service running | 10:51 |
| Laney | it's aborting on some missing configuration file | 10:51 |
| ogra_ | hmm, tvoss isnt in here | 10:51 |
| Laney | see the message in the trace | 10:51 |
| * ogra_ wonders with ubuntu-location-* services are installed on desktop-next | 10:56 | |
| ogra_ | (in /etc/init) | 10:57 |
| Laney | does it have this /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/application.conf file? | 10:57 |
| Laney | or maybe do you just not see the crash ;-) | 10:57 |
| ogra_ | i dont have a desktop unity8 install here :) | 10:57 |
| ricmm | im trying to think about the cause | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | in the phone there are some overrides | 10:58 |
| ricmm | if indicator-location-service is started from the context of the unity8 session it should have the platform defined | 10:58 |
| Laney | https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/375ff448c30eaac105e835eda789b285b14bf025 | 10:58 |
| Laney | this is in unity 7 | 10:58 |
| Laney | Just run it in your normal desktop environment | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | oh, do we seed it there ? | 10:59 |
| Laney | no | 10:59 |
| Laney | but if you have it installed for whatever reason ... | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | well, indicator-location seems to not have a dep on ubuntu-location-service | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | which makes me suspect you dont have a backend installed at all in this case | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | i.e. not even the dummy | 11:01 |
| ricmm | thats not it | 11:03 |
| Laney | I definitely don't have this /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/application.conf file that it wants | 11:03 |
| ricmm | right | 11:03 |
| ricmm | whats the name of the desktop u8 session package? | 11:04 |
| Laney | you can just apt-get install indicator-location | 11:04 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu-touch-session | 11:04 |
| ricmm | the desktop package | 11:04 |
| Laney | why do you need all of that? | 11:04 |
| ogra_ | it ships that file | 11:04 |
| Laney | this is a minimal package to reproduce | 11:04 |
| Laney | who cares? it's valid to install just indicator-location | 11:05 |
| Laney | nothing should crash | 11:05 |
| ricmm | yea, no one is contradicting you | 11:05 |
| ricmm | trying to understand why unity8 and applications find the plugin while indicator location doesnt | 11:05 |
| Laney | it'll be because something has pulled in ubuntu-touch-session | 11:06 |
| ricmm | not really | 11:07 |
| Laney | fine, you take care of it then | 11:09 |
| ricmm | will do indeed | 11:10 |
| ricmm | Laney: so I remember a time when there was a unity8 override that provided the desktop session initialization | 11:11 |
| ricmm | now all I see is different stuff in unity8-desktop-session-mir | 11:11 |
| Laney | To work it'd have to be applied to unity7 sessions too | 11:15 |
| ricmm | ok so | 11:16 |
| ricmm | indicator-location is now being started by the unity7 session? | 11:17 |
| Laney | if you have it installed, yeah | 11:17 |
| Laney | I think you want it to exit cleanly if it can't start the location service controller | 11:18 |
| Laney | but since platform-api aborts you in that case ... | 11:18 |
| Laney | kind of hard | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | is it started from the upstart job ? | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | as a quick fix you could just add a check for the file to a pre-start script | 11:20 |
| ricmm | no no | 11:20 |
| ricmm | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity8-desktop-session-team/unity8-desktop-session/trunk/revision/51 | 11:20 |
| ricmm | with the new scripts we basically dont have that env exported, as they are only exporting the QPA now (for unity8 session) | 11:20 |
| ricmm | for the failing case under unity7, thats a different thing as we just dont have a need for the platform-api there | 11:21 |
| ricmm | *however*, depending on how indicator-location is started we can just point it to the dummy provider | 11:21 |
| ogra_ | well, then you need a package dep | 11:21 |
| ricmm | dep on what, platform-api ? | 11:22 |
| ogra_ | nothing guarantees you the location service is even installed currently | 11:22 |
| ricmm | the location service being installed or not is irrelevant | 11:22 |
| ricmm | platform api supports three platforms | 11:22 |
| ogra_ | it provides the dummy provider, no ? | 11:22 |
| ricmm | touch_mir, desktop_mir and test | 11:22 |
| ogra_ | or do we have another internal one in p-api ? | 11:23 |
| ricmm | imo unity7 doesnt fall on any of those three, so if unity7 starts the location it should just dunny out | 11:23 |
| ricmm | so the question is, who starts indicator-location on unity7? does it ship an upstart job? | 11:24 |
| ogra_ | all indicators do nowadays | 11:24 |
| ogra_ | i think | 11:24 |
| Laney | indeed | 11:27 |
| Laney | one workaround would be to change the job of course | 11:27 |
| ricmm | no, just wanted to know, changing it is wrong as its made to start on indicator-services-started or whatever the signal is | 11:28 |
| ricmm | so if im correct it should also be crashing under the unity8 session | 11:29 |
| ricmm | right? | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | depends where | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | in desktop-next ubuntu-touch-session is seeded | 11:29 |
| ricmm | seriously? | 11:29 |
| ricmm | why would they do that | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | if you plainly install unity8 it wont be dragged in | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | desktop-next uses (nearly) the same seed as touch | 11:30 |
| ricmm | sure, but application.conf there clearly says touch_mirclient | 11:30 |
| ricmm | which means hybris sensors, which means blow up | 11:30 |
| ricmm | the only reason for which its not blowing up is that the qtubuntu plugin has extra checks in place for that | 11:31 |
| ricmm | but any non-qt app that would like to use sensors would segfault | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | ogra@anubis:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid$ grep ubuntu-touch-session * | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | touch: * ubuntu-touch-session | 11:31 |
| ricmm | I can only imagine there are other touch-specific bits in ubuntu-touch-session | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | false alarm ... not seeded | 11:31 |
| ricmm | alright, good | 11:31 |
| ricmm | so it should be crashing then | 11:31 |
| Laney | if it was then the error wouldn't talk about the file being missing | 11:31 |
| ricmm | as the env var was dropped when desktop changed from the unity8-mir upstart job | 11:32 |
| Laney | unless there are that many people installing it bare | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | ogra@anubis:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid$ grep session * | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | desktop: * unity8-desktop-session-mir | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | touch: * ubuntu-touch-session | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | there we go | 11:32 |
| ricmm | Laney: could you confirm that it crashes on unity8 as well? | 11:32 |
| Laney | not easily, maybe seb128 can, afaik he has a desktop-next installation | 11:32 |
| ricmm | seb128: ^ could you give us a hand with that? | 11:33 |
| ogra_ | if test -z "$DISPLAY" && [ $DESKTOP_SESSION != "unity8-lxc" ]; then | 11:34 |
| ogra_ | export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=ubuntumirclient | 11:34 |
| ogra_ | export UNITY_INDICATOR_PROFILE=desktop | 11:34 |
| ogra_ | from unity8-desktop-session | 11:34 |
| ricmm | yea, thats why I say it should crash too | 11:35 |
| ricmm | from first glance, the UBUNTu_PLATFORM_API_BACKEND var was dropped | 11:35 |
| ricmm | when it moved from unity8-mir.conf to these helper scripts | 11:36 |
| ochosi | hmmm, is gtk3-icon-browser not packaged at all? | 11:36 |
| ochosi | should be a part of gtk3.14, but i can't seem to find it at all | 11:36 |
| Laney | ricmm: yeah, okay, just pulled out the inspiron & it is crashing there | 11:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, ricmm, want me to confirm something? | 11:38 |
| Laney | no worry | 11:38 |
| Laney | ochosi: no, can probably put it in gtk-3-examples tho | 11:41 |
| ochosi | Laney: that would be really great! | 11:42 |
| ochosi | maybe along with gtk-encode-symbolic-svg ? | 11:42 |
| ochosi | those two are really important for porting stuff to gtk3 and symbolic icons | 11:42 |
| Laney | what is that? | 11:42 |
| ochosi | symbolic icons you mean? | 11:42 |
| ochosi | or the encoder | 11:42 |
| Laney | no | 11:42 |
| ochosi | the encoder creates pngs from symbolic svgs which are still recolorable, but are loading faster | 11:43 |
| ochosi | so you can use that in a script and convert your symbolic icons in humanity or wherever you keep them to .symbolic.png icons | 11:44 |
| ochosi | gtk3.14 loads them automatically, and faster than with svg | 11:44 |
| ochosi | https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-encode-symbolic-svg.html | 11:45 |
| Laney | ok, yeah, sounds like we can install that too | 11:46 |
| ochosi | sweet | 11:47 |
| ochosi | thanks a lot! | 11:47 |
| ochosi | we'll use that in xubuntu for sure | 11:47 |
| ricmm | so the unity8 crash is a regression as that env var was dropped from the environment | 11:48 |
| ricmm | however what we could do instead of provide the module config files from the platform-api module package directly | 11:48 |
| ricmm | install to /usr/share/ubuntu-platform-api/ or something | 11:48 |
| ricmm | and make touch/desktop conflict/replace | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | how do you know in which env you are then ? | 11:48 |
| ricmm | what? | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | well, the config changes based on your environment, no ? | 11:49 |
| ricmm | no, env var can override whats in the config file | 11:50 |
| ricmm | you either install the touch plugin, or the desktop plugin | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 11:50 |
| ricmm | but not both | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:50 |
| ricmm | right now we are relying on either the env var being there (which it used to be in utopic for unity8-desktop-session-mir) or the application.conf file being there | 11:50 |
| ricmm | so my suggestion is to ship the file with each plugin, and make both packages conflict | 11:51 |
| ricmm | so if some -next dependency pulls in something that uses platform-api, it will guarantee that the module conf file is in place | 11:51 |
| ochosi | Laney: do you want me to report bugs about those two to keep track of them? | 11:51 |
| Laney | no | 11:51 |
| Laney | I was doing a gtk upload alraedy | 11:51 |
| ochosi | oh cool | 11:51 |
| ricmm | Laney: do you agree with that approach? | 11:52 |
| ochosi | Laney: thanks a lot! | 11:52 |
| Laney | ricmm: I don't really like having packages which both supply the same file forever | 11:56 |
| Laney | Would be best if this could be dynamic - i.e. try to initialise each module in turn until one works | 11:56 |
| Laney | but in the absence of that I probably prefer setting environment variables | 11:56 |
| ricmm | its gonna have to be an env var then | 11:57 |
| ricmm | UBUNTU_PLATFORM_API_BACKEND=desktop_mirclient needs to be part of both unity7 and unity8 sessions | 11:57 |
| ricmm | it used to be part of the unity8 one, so needs to get back in that file ogra pasted earlier | 11:58 |
| Laney | it works on x? | 11:58 |
| ricmm | yes, it works, the UI bits are unused outside of the unity8 session | 11:59 |
| Laney | ok so you also have to have a dependency which pulls it in | 12:00 |
| ricmm | it is pulled in by the unity8-desktop-mir-session | 12:00 |
| Laney | you don't get this if you just install indicator-location | 12:00 |
| ricmm | indicator-location depends on ubuntu-application-api | 12:01 |
| Laney | yeah, that only gets you 'test' afaics | 12:02 |
| ricmm | yea, it is up to the session to set up its environment if you want more than that | 12:02 |
| ricmm | consideri t like QT_QPA_PLATFORM=dummy | 12:02 |
| ricmm | Qt doesnt have the depend on qtubuntu-desktop or qtubuntu-android, thats up to the session to provide and setup | 12:03 |
| ricmm | no? | 12:03 |
| Laney | I don't really care if it doesn't work without setup | 12:03 |
| Laney | I care that it doesn't crash though | 12:04 |
| Laney | and particularly that it doesn't crash on startup | 12:04 |
| ricmm | Laney: easiest way is to add the env to the unity8 session, and have unity7 default to the dummy plugin | 12:08 |
| ricmm | if you dont care about it working, just not crashing | 12:09 |
| Laney | I don't think it's the end of the world to have to install an extra backend to get it working | 12:11 |
| Laney | does dummy provide fake data or just no data? | 12:11 |
| Laney | also if I run UBUNTU_PLATFORM_API_BACKEND=test /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-location/indicator-location-service I get an assertion failure | 12:11 |
| ricmm | so? but it doesnt crash | 12:12 |
| ricmm | cant expect it to work with the dummy | 12:12 |
| Laney | nope | 12:12 |
| Laney | I'm just saying | 12:12 |
| ricmm | if you want it to *work* it needs desktop_mirclient | 12:13 |
| ricmm | but its illogical for idnciator-location to depend on that | 12:13 |
| ricmm | as it runs on both touch and desktop seeds | 12:13 |
| ricmm | if you want it to not crash, test is enough | 12:13 |
| Laney | I'd rather it didn't crash in the no configuration case too | 12:14 |
| Laney | if that was the case then we would only have to fix unity8 | 12:14 |
| ricmm | yea if we are going to do test I'l just make it default to test if theres no other selection | 12:14 |
| ricmm | indeed | 12:14 |
| ricmm | ok, will do it that way | 12:15 |
| Laney | might be cleaner to get _create_controller() to return nullptr instead of aborting, then i-location could handle the case cleanly and just exit(0) | 12:17 |
| ricmm | thats what it does when "test" is selected | 12:17 |
| Laney | ah | 12:17 |
| ricmm | well, indicator-location can do whatever it want, currently it doesnt exit but it stays running | 12:18 |
| ricmm | but it doesnt crash | 12:18 |
| Laney | Indeed that assertion shows it does return null then | 12:18 |
| ricmm | Laney: ok I'll get a silo for platform-api, who can add the env var to the unity8 mir conf? | 12:25 |
| Laney | ricmm: hmm, there's no separate desktop job any more, just uses the main unity8 one | 12:31 |
| ricmm | theres a script that exports the QPA | 12:31 |
| ricmm | thats where this var should go | 12:31 |
| Laney | which job is that? | 12:31 |
| ricmm | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity8-desktop-session-team/unity8-desktop-session/trunk/revision/64 | 12:32 |
| ricmm | lightdm-unity8-session | 12:33 |
| Laney | ok, not upstart | 12:33 |
| ricmm | yea | 12:33 |
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| Sweet5hark | moin! | 13:00 |
| Sweet5hark | Ah, seb128 is cleverly hiding from me as I have a LibreOffice upload for him ... ;) | 13:02 |
| Sweet5hark | well, friday uploads are a bad idea anyway. | 13:02 |
| ricmm | Laney: so whos the right guy for the desktop session change? | 13:14 |
| Laney | did you see the MP? | 13:14 |
| ricmm | looking | 13:15 |
| ogra_ | bregma presumably | 13:15 |
| ricmm | Laney: could you confirm on the inspiron that with that change it doesnt crash in the unity8 session? | 13:15 |
| bregma | we'll need ricmm's approval that it's a sane change then we'll test it in our lab and toss it in a silo | 13:17 |
| Laney | 'lab' sounds scientific | 13:17 |
| bregma | but it makes me sound like a professional | 13:18 |
| ricmm | well I've added to a silo I requested for the platform-api change | 13:18 |
| ricmm | but yea it looks fine, if someone could confirm on the desktop session that the indicator wont crash | 13:18 |
| bregma | one of the test machines in my lab sits on a stack of 3 dead laptops so its display is at eye height | 13:18 |
| bregma | Laney, is there also a fix for the indicator-location crash under Unity 7? | 13:19 |
| ricmm | theres a platform-api in the same silo-in-wait | 13:20 |
| ricmm | that makes it default to the dummy | 13:20 |
| Laney | ricmm: just tried & i-l-s is running now | 13:23 |
| Laney | so seems ok | 13:23 |
| ricmm | ok | 13:23 |
| ricmm | bregma, Laney: I'll ping you with the silo once platform-api is there too to try the unity7 one | 13:23 |
| ricmm | I've tried here and looks fine | 13:23 |
| ricmm | well, looks fine in the sense that it doesnt crash just uses the dummy (so no functionality) | 13:24 |
| Laney | 'k | 13:24 |
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| desrt | didrocks: ping | 14:10 |
| desrt | didrocks: i just wanted to remind you about how great i think you are | 14:10 |
| desrt | didrocks: keep it up | 14:10 |
| Laney | you're right, didrocks is a great guy | 14:35 |
| ricmm | Laney: vivid 13 has the two packages | 15:19 |
| ricmm | if you'd like to give it a spin on your test laptop | 15:19 |
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| charles | Laney, thanks for https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/unity8-desktop-session/platform-api-export/+merge/252105 | 16:44 |
| Laney | charles: np | 16:45 |
| Laney | might want to consider making i-location exit if it can't init the service | 16:45 |
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| charles | Laney, not sure how I could make i-location pre-empt that abort() call; it's happening in platform-api when i-location calls ua_location_service_create_controller() | 18:06 |
| charles | ie, there's not a way to test first | 18:06 |
| Laney | ricmm's platform-api change makes it return nullptr now | 18:07 |
| Laney | IIUC | 18:07 |
| ricmm | charles: yes, if you'd like to test silo 13 vivid it should be fine now | 18:08 |
| charles | sure enough, https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/platform-api/no-abort-default-dummy/+merge/252108 | 18:08 |
| ricmm | as it will default to the dummy if theres no module selected | 18:08 |
| * Laney is off | 18:10 | |
| Laney | sorry I didn't get to test, will do monday if you still need it then | 18:10 |
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