[00:07] elimisteve: sure it was [00:07] elimisteve: loads of photos and video posted online from MWC showing the MX4 [00:07] elimisteve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl4R-iI9JHQ [00:08] elimisteve: the phone runs Ubuntu. There may be flyme services on top which match the Android FlyMe services, but it's Ubuntu === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === aaron is now known as ahoneybun === aaron is now known as Guest73321 === Guest73321 is now known as ahoneybun === aaron is now known as ahoneybun === uuhimhere is now known as has_joined === has_joined is now known as uhhimhere [06:01] Hi all [06:01] Hi [06:06] (Sorry for my bad English) I started to read wiki on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AndroidDevel. I'm interested in patches section. But ufp-export not found on Launchpad. This script deprecated? [06:12] You're going to want to use the new porting guide: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ [06:13] cm-10 is not used anymore anyway [06:14] nhaines: on the nexus 5, is bluetooth completely dead, or just not meaningfully functional? [06:16] DonkeyHotei: appears to not be detected. But I can reboot my phone and do any tests you like. [06:17] your phone is dual-boot? [06:17] Yup. [06:18] can you get me a listing of /sys/devices and /sys/devices/platform? [06:18] nhaines: thanks [06:19] DonkeyHotei: yup! [06:19] yacuken: my pleasure. [06:24] DonkeyHotei: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10547939/ [06:27] oh geez, can the answer really be that simple? [06:27] Let's hope so! [06:28] I mean, it's totally obvious now. But maybe for the logs and everyone else in the channel you should spell it out. [06:29] the platform device is not there [06:31] is there a /proc/bluetooth? [06:33] Yes. [06:33] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo ls /proc/bluetooth/ [06:33] sleep [07:05] nhaines: can you type "rfkill list" ? [07:13] DonkeyHotei: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10548317/ [07:26] nhaines: lsmod? [07:30] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo lsmod [07:30] Module Size Used by [07:30] bcmdhd 571716 -2 [07:41] DonkeyHotei: ^^ === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:13] hello ! [08:14] hi [08:16] sup Hotei [08:18] good morning [08:18] Good morning, dholbach. [08:18] hi nhaines [08:19] DonkeyHotei: anything more I can do to help? [08:21] nhaines: i'm looking through sources atm, might find something [08:23] hi, did anyone experience a "cannot find ubuntu-click" error on a newly created project? [08:23] nhaines: might save me a bit of time if cyphermox were around [08:25] hi gaspa , did you get framework related error message as well? [08:29] angry_m4n, seems not, i got something like: "09:26:57: Could not find the manifest.json file in /home/gaspa/Projects/build-prova-myinstance_GCC_i386_ubuntu_sdk_14_10_utopic-Debug/.ubuntu-sdk-deploy." , but maybe related to the one above... [08:29] if i could get a dmesg and/or syslog from a mako/nexus4, that might help me atm [08:31] Wish I had one. [08:32] i was getting similar error messages i could solve it by chosing different project ( by hit n trial ) [08:33] lol :) [08:34] use the project that creates a .manifest file by default..might solve ur issue [08:58] ok, in desktop ubuntu, bluetooth device drivers live in the kernel, but in android they appear to live in userspace, and i don't see either in ubuntu-touch. is anyone around who can shed light on this? [08:59] DonkeyHotei: they live in the LXC container running the Android kernel, and then libhybris does the thing and then it works. [08:59] "the thing" [09:00] libhybris is *magic* [09:00] popey: it's probably exactly that easy. :) [09:00] but ubuntu uses a bluetooth stack that depends on kernel drivers [09:00] and cyphermox said libhybris isn't being used for bt [09:01] DonkeyHotei: I suspect https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/#anchor4 will be elucidating. [09:01] Oh? I'd heard differently. Hrml. [09:01] Maybe Tassadar knows! [09:01] Well, bluetooth is well supported in the kernel. [09:01] unlike gps/gsm stuff [09:02] popey: DonkeyHotei is investigating Bluetooth support for the Nexus 5. [09:02] super [09:02] I keep meaning to ask him why, since he doesn't have one, but I don't want him to think about it too deeply. [09:03] I'm looking forward to ports to Sony devices [09:03] they look pretty [09:03] and have nice cameras [09:04] At SCALE whenever someone asked me how it was running on my N5, I said it was the nicest hardware to run Ubuntu on if they hated Bluetooth. [09:05] nhaines: that stuck in my mind [09:06] nhaines: hopefully that changes soon with UT running on the MX4 :-) [09:07] mardy, on bug 1195274, where is the documentation in d.u.c and from which package it's generated? [09:07] bug 1195274 in accounts-qml-module (Ubuntu) "Please create a documentation package" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195274 [09:08] dpm: it's generated from accounts-qml-module, and it's at https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts/ [09:09] mardy, so is all the source documentation included in accounts-qml-module instead of a dedicated -doc package? [09:09] if I can get the MX4 here in the US for ~$350 some time in the next few months, I think I will [09:09] I want an Ubuntu server in my pocket [09:10] dpm: ah, no, there is a -doc package: accounts-qml-module-doc [09:10] and a device where I can write native mobile apps in Go that run on it [09:10] popey: the thing is, bt clearly works on mako, yet i see no kernel driver for it [09:11] elimisteve: that's as much as some i3 laptops [09:11] mardy, ok, got it, thanks [09:19] willcooke: good morning! How was MWC? [09:19] hey nhaines. Really long week, tough on my old feet :) But it was AWESOME! [09:19] So happy to hear it. :) [09:21] People were clapping the convergence demo [09:21] :D [09:21] Ooh. :D [09:21] DonkeyHotei: $350? Yes, like the Chromebook I'm running right now :-) [09:22] willcooke: sweet! Who got to see that demo? Was this an on-stage presentation, or were you in a booth? [09:22] willcooke: what would I have to do to my Nexus 5 if I wanted to run a desktop app on it today? [09:23] willcooke: (2) When do you think some of that convergence-y code will be available in mainline? The UbuntuOnAir video from a couple days ago made it sound like this summer-ish? [09:23] elimisteve, on the stand, publically [09:23] *publicly [09:23] stand? stage? [09:23] s/stand/booth [09:23] elimisteve: acer had windows machines for that [09:24] cool [09:24] nhaines, not sure if the N5 is supported, but if is you'd need to run devel-proposed channel, and you'd be good to go [09:24] willcooke: it's not, but there's a build server anyway, <3 Tassadar. [09:25] willcooke: Do you just launch something from the Terminal? [09:25] willcooke: you feature in this super video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl4R-iI9JHQ [09:25] ~3m40 in [09:25] popey, I saw that video - I sound like a jibbering idiot [09:26] hahah [09:26] in my defence, I was drunk [09:26] ;) jk [09:26] I am just a jibbering idiot [09:26] Elleo: i did try for a second time a clean devel-proposed + the qt ppa and maliit-server is still crashing all the time :/ [09:26] confirmed [09:26] nhaines, gsettings set com.canonical.unity8 usage-mode [automatic|staged|windowed] [09:26] nhaines, ^^^ from memory, so might be wrong [09:27] I'll get instructions up next week [09:28] willcooke: that's good to know! At the moment, it's the XMir bits I'm more interested in than windows mode. [09:28] popey: anyone create a syncthing front-end on Ubuntu Touch yet, as far as you've heard? [09:28] not that I have seen [09:29] The trouble with windowed mode is I haven't yet found any way to resize existing windows. :) [09:30] nhaines, ack - Xmir is in mlankhorst's ppa [09:30] nhaines, but he's not happy with it quite yet [09:30] sooooooon [09:30] :D [09:30] nhaines, windows do resize but the controls are very hard to get hold of, only a couple of pixels wide [09:31] nhaines, and maximising a window can lead to it becoming un-movable [09:31] nhaines, easy enough to fix [09:32] Ooh, I never seemed to see the cursor change on my laptop in a live session with Unity 8, so I just assumed it was on the todo list. [09:32] When I get a maximized window I can't move, I just foreground another window, and then drag the problem window down! :D [09:33] I know all the really exciting hard work is end-user-invisible, so I'm sure it's all progressing pretty well. :) [09:35] willcooke, do you expect us to put that in the default phone image ? [09:35] (i assume it will pull in megabytes of Xorg packages) [09:35] (regarding your "soon" :) ) [09:35] ogra_, don't think it would be, but meh - why not. Storage is cheap ;) [09:36] not on phones [09:36] :) [09:36] heh [09:36] Do you want to run X apps or not?!? Sheesh, you guys. ;D [09:37] i dont [09:37] but others seem to [09:37] hehe [09:37] i wonder if we need a second image for this [09:37] actually, *loads* of people asked about the terminal [09:37] you really dont want to have this on low end phones where you perhaps only have 8G storage in total [09:38] (and already eat 3-4G for the system) [09:38] ogra_, we should be able to clickifiy it, right? [09:38] * willcooke adds that as a user story [09:38] well, perhaps ... it would have to be unconfined [09:38] ahh, yes [09:38] hrm [09:38] more thinking required [09:39] willcooke, there is more ... i.e. xorg will pull in dbus behavior we dont want on the phone image (differemt dbus-launch command for example) [09:39] I think a clickified convergent experience would be sorta neat. [09:39] this wont just be "flick a switch" [09:39] packages of functionality will clash, that will take time to sort out [09:40] (take that into your story too :) ) [09:40] s/of/or/ [09:40] ogra_, rickspencer3 has asked me to curate a list of all the things we still need to do in order to get the feature "finished" - so mind sparing me 30 mins next week to list your concerns and issues? [09:41] seb128, you too ^^ :) [09:41] willcooke, well, i cant predict all issues, none will be unsolvable, but we will have to solve them first most likely :) [09:41] ogra_, sure, not asking for all issues - but you obviously have some ideas here, so would be good to make sure I capture them [09:41] it is a matter of trying and collecting info [09:42] for that we will need an image where we can go wild [09:43] willcooke, the feature being xmir? [09:43] yeah [09:43] in the phone image [09:43] k [09:44] well, first we should get it on desktop-next iso imho [09:44] it's more useful there [09:44] and less disruptive [09:44] right, but we need to knwo how it interacts with the system modifications on the phone [09:44] since it is supposed to land there too eventually [09:48] * willcooke is moving to the gate - bbl [09:49] right [09:53] I really do like the Today scope. It's replaced the Weather Channel scope for me as my favorite scope. :) [09:54] tsdgeos: strange :/ are you testing on mako or krillin? [09:54] Elleo: nexus4 [09:54] okay, that's what I'm using too [09:55] I might have had a few extra things installed from testing something else beforw, so I'll try with a blank slate [09:56] tsdgeos: could you also upload your latest crash file, just so we can be sure its happening in the same place? [09:57] Any guys here on an active porting project? [09:58] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Day of Unplugging! :-D === mzanetti_ is now known as mzanetti [10:12] can someone with a mako/nexus4 please pastebin syslog? [10:26] any idea why "adb shell" returns "error: closed"? [10:27] mardy, you need to unlock the phone before using adb nowadays [10:29] abeato: like explained here? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ [10:30] abeato: it tells me it's already unlocked [10:30] mardy, no, I was talking about simply unlocking the screen, and you need developer mode activated too [10:31] * abeato guessing ubuntu already installed on the phone :) [10:31] abeato: yes, it's installed :-) I'll try that, thanks! [10:31] np [10:33] abeato: indeed, that was it === zhxt is now known as zhxt_afk [10:54] ricmm, sabdfl is asking about a location service crash in #ubuntu-desktop ... bu 1419405 ... looks like platform-api kills it there ... [10:54] *bug 1419405 [10:54] bug 1419405 in indicator-location (Ubuntu) "indicator-location-service crashed with SIGABRT in internal::ToBackend::exit_module()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419405 [10:55] is that because the dummy provider isnt running ? === _salem is now known as salem_ === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:02] hi [13:04] hi [13:04] studio_: i have a message from renatu for you... [13:04] hi [13:04] oh. there he is [13:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10550273/ [13:04] to save renatu typing ㋛ [13:05] thanks :D [13:17] how to update only this one package? normally i make "sudo apt-get upgrade", but i shouldn't do that right? [13:17] you use apt-get install [13:18] ok === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson [13:20] hmm, now i have import from sim card, but it tells me sim card is empty? [13:21] well, wait for bfiller to show up ... he can probably help you [13:21] ok [13:23] no, wait, now i can see all contacts! :) [13:23] ah, just took a while [13:23] cool :) [13:23] sim cards are perhaps not the fastest interface :) [13:27] cool, was able to import all contacts from the sim card. many thanks : [13:28] nice! [13:28] thanks for testing studio_ [13:28] np :) [13:29] let bfiller and renatu know :) [13:29] studio_, thanks [13:33] ok, bbl :) [13:33] bye [13:50] hello everybody [13:51] hi === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:57] how can ic aht here |?? [13:57] hello [13:57] anybody here ?? [13:57] yes [13:57] oh nice [13:57] hi popey [13:57] hello [13:58] could you help me ? [13:58] dunno, depends what you need help with. [13:58] Mindreading, I don't do. [13:58] i have galaxy tab p7500 but i found that ubuntu touch is only for p4wifi how can i install ubuntu on my tab [13:59] you'd need to port it. [13:59] we have a porting guide [13:59] It's not a simple / straightforward process. [13:59] Or you can find someone else to do the port for you. [14:00] i falshed the cm10 but for p4 and install ubuntu but i couldn't succed [14:02] COULD ANYONE INSTALL UBUNTU ON P7500 TAB ? [14:02] anybody there ?? [14:03] jack__: dude, I answered you! [14:03] ok thanks [14:03] i described my issue if you see that [14:04] i can explain again would you ? [14:04] jack__: I answered you. Can you not see the answer above? [14:04] the webbrowser-app is broken on the Unity 8 desktop trying to look for a non-existent X server, anyone know who can look at that? [14:05] bregma: oSoMoN [14:05] popey: i can't see your comment [14:06] jack__: http://imgur.com/wtQsLqy [14:07] jack__: it looks like there is no port for p7500, but you could port it, or someone else could port it. [14:07] tsdgeos: made some progress! with a completely clean install the crashes do still happen, however after installing the ubuntu-keyboard-autopilot package they stop (which is why it was working for me previously, because I usually have that installed); so I suspect it's some dependency of that package which actually solves the problem and should be added as a dep to the ubuntu-keyboard package [14:07] bregma, can you please file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+filebug with relevant info? [14:07] Elleo: wow, that's weird :D [14:08] how can i learn to port ? could you give me the link ? [14:08] tsdgeos: now I just have to figure out why that's the case with 5.4.1 and not 5.4.0 and which package it is we need [14:08] jack__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting [14:08] oSoMoN, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1429135 [14:08] Ubuntu bug 1429135 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "webbrowser-app crashed with SIGSEGV in XQueryExtension()" [Medium,New] [14:09] bregma, thanks, will take a look [14:09] popey : thanks alot popey i try it now ;) [14:10] jack__: no problem [14:10] tsdgeos: looks like I spoke too soon :P after restarting its now back to crashing again :/ [14:10] :/ [14:11] popey: sorry it's complicated is there any other way ? [14:12] popey:i managed to install ubuntu but it installed in my data folder at root [14:13] popey:i can see all of ubuntu touch conent but they are all in data/ubuntu [14:15] popey:i can't install it in my root [14:15] I have 4.1MB boot partition and 6.7MB boot.img file, someone has idea what can i do? [14:17] popey: are you there ? [14:17] jack__: sorry, went to get some lunch [14:18] jack__: yes, it's complicated, I said that [14:18] jack__: you can't just put an existing image for another device on your device. you must build the proper kernel with proper drivers and create a new image specifically for your device, then flash it on [14:19] which device is nice ? [14:20] i don't know about porting and cooking [14:20] then you'll have to wait until someone else with the same device, does the work [14:21] hi dobey ok but i managed to install ubuntu [14:21] but i boot into cm10 and all of ubuntu touch contents installed in data/ubuntu [14:22] if i copy it's contents to root is there any hope [14:22] thats not how it work [14:23] i'm newb help me please [14:23] no you didn't install ubuntu [14:24] i don't know what data you put in the data/ubuntu/ folder, but that is not how you install ubuntu [14:24] jack__: you have the answers. [14:24] jack__: port it, or find someone else to port it, or buy a different device (like a nexus 4) [14:25] no i didn't put it i installed ubuntu in cwm then i see all of it's contents in data/ubuntu [14:25] no [14:25] jack__: it doesn't work like that. [14:26] there is no image for your device, so you can't have installed it [14:26] jack__: it's possible that you might have setup an ubuntu chroot on android, that's a completely different thing to installing ubuntu touch though [14:26] but p4wifi is very similler to p4 as you know === olivieer|away is now known as olivieer [14:27] i even succeed to install p4wifi stock firmware on my tab [14:29] but what is the difference between two device ? [14:31] tsdgeos, Elleo: hmmm, I just installed Qt 5.4.1 from the silo PPA on my vivid phone and maliit is still crashing [14:31] Is that only on my phone? (krillin) [14:32] sil2100: no, the rebuild doesn't fix it, that was just coincidental [14:32] sil2100: at some point after having it installed it seems to stop crashing [14:32] Ah, ok :) [14:32] jack__: generally, drivers. i don't know the exact differences. but you need an image built specifically for that device, and one does not exist. [14:32] sil2100: but I have no clue why [14:32] hmmm [14:32] sil2100: I hate this bug :P [14:32] heh ;) [14:33] ok so there is no way except porting it this right ? [14:34] jack__: as we've already said several times, yes, it must be ported [14:35] how can i learn porting is there any site for training i love these stuffs [14:36] jack__: again, that was already answered and you were pointed to the porting guide link, which is also in the channel topic [14:37] you're right but i can't start it from it's level i don't know anything about building porting cooking and so fourth [14:39] ok thank you dear popey and dobey good luck and have fun [14:40] mardy, i saw your qtmir bug 1428246, so that's failing to create the session? [14:40] bug 1428246 in qtmir (Ubuntu) "Login window is not shown when trying to purchase something for the first time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428246 [14:40] mardy, in my content-hub branch, i think my session is getting created, but i'm having problems with it rejecting the client [14:41] mardy, i get starting then stopping state changes [14:41] mardy, so that's different than what you're getting? [14:42] kenvandine: yes, it's different; AFAICT, we have a problem when we nest a trust session withing another one (created by pay ui) [14:42] oh that sounds nasty :) [14:43] i've been frustrated just doing one :) [14:43] kenvandine: I don't think that that bug is relevant to the content hub [14:43] now i enabled some more reporting in Mir, and the shell isn't starting :/ [14:43] back [14:43] kenvandine: do you have a log? I don't understand why the client could be rejected [14:44] not handy... but the session goes to starting then to stopping [14:44] kenvandine: do you mean the initiator client, or the newly created one? [14:44] initiator [14:44] i see the session created, started then stopped [14:44] i was having a ref problem [14:44] when it was getting destroyed [14:45] but i fixed that, no longer even hit the destructor [14:45] kenvandine: could it be that you are starting the second process outside of the trust session, which would cause it to get focused and your session to get stopped? [14:45] mardy, i was just wondering if i might have been hitting a mir bug now :) [14:45] the other app never even starts up [14:45] i have seen, there is a bug in the filemanager, it can't show a link in the "normal" mode [14:46] my handler runs it in the trusted session, and Mir rejects it [14:46] so it exits [14:46] before even starting the app [14:46] mardy, i also know i have a valid handle for the file descriptor [14:47] kenvandine: if you don't start the handler, do you still get the session stopped? [14:47] actually... wait i'm not getting the stopped now :) [14:47] forgot i fixed that last night :) [14:47] so yeah, it's started [14:47] :-D [14:47] but the client is rejecting it [14:48] before it threw an error [14:48] now just logging the rejection and exiting [14:48] kenvandine: client being the second one being started, right? [14:48] yeah [14:48] i'm using something very similar to pay-service [14:49] the mir-connection-demangler [14:49] mardy, have you had any success enabling more logging from Mir? [14:49] i needed some reporting in the env, and now it's not starting [14:49] kenvandine: never did that, sorry [14:49] * kenvandine askes in the mir channel [14:54] maybe someone can check this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10550783/ ? === olivieer is now known as olivieer|away [15:11] studio_: file a bug. irc isn't where bug reports get filed, launchpad is [15:14] i thought, you can send it to the right person? i am not an "active" beta tester, but i like to learn :) [15:34] studio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+filebug === olivieer|away is now known as olivieer [15:36] studio_: it won't be, file manager knows what a real sd card is [15:37] studio_: open file manager and open the menu in the top right, and choose "unlock full access" [15:37] popey, but it can't handle a link [15:37] popey: it should probably support symlinks though [15:37] then you will probably see it [15:37] no, its working as desingned [15:37] I expect studio_ hasn't unlocked it [15:38] symlinks only work with "full access" ? [15:38] as i told, in advanced mode it is working [15:38] dobey: only specific mtp folders are shown by default [15:38] nothing to do with symlinks [15:38] yeah, tested here, works fine when you unlock full access [15:39] my device is locked, and link is only working in advanced mode? [15:39] yes [15:39] why? [15:39] oh ok [15:39] studio_: he just answered that [15:40] Long story. [15:40] The app is unconfined which is rare in the store. [15:40] As a security precaution we only expose a fixed set of folders, Music, Documents etc in the file manager [15:40] if you type in your pin, you unlock it and you can do anything [15:40] popey, is it depending on sd-card or on a link, i do not understand your answer? sorry :( [15:41] No, neither. [15:41] The file manager only shows specific folders by default. [15:41] The same folders we expose over MTP [15:41] If you enter your pin, you unlock the app and can use it to access and file on the filesystem [15:41] Which includes your symlink and the SD card. [15:41] "The file manager only shows specific folders by default." ok, but why no link? [15:42] because it's not one of the specific folders [15:42] the specific folders are Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos. [15:42] Your folder is not one of those. [15:42] sigh [15:42] it is a hardcoded list of paths [15:42] magic word. [15:43] :) [15:43] * ogra_ swings the wand [15:44] so even if i have a "link" to my local network, for exp. a video it will not be schon? [15:44] correct [15:44] hmmm ... [15:44] unless you put the file in one of those folders [15:44] or unlock the app [15:45] ok [15:45] or build your own version of the app without this feature [15:45] \o/ Free Software [15:48] studio_, do you see the "unlock full access" button at the bottom of the app ? [15:48] tap it, enter your pw and you should see the link [15:48] its not at the bottom, its in the menu at the top [15:48] not on my vivid [15:48] what version? [15:49] might be i'm a bit behind though [15:49] oh, maybe I am :) [15:49]