[06:17] <mapp> hi all:D
[08:11] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:11] <SuperMatt> ing
[08:11] <SuperMatt> *ning
[09:58] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Day of Unplugging! :-D
[10:00]  * bashrc remains plugged
[10:07]  * davmor2 unplugs his router and blames JamesTait for his lack of internet when his boss is online :D
[10:08]  * JamesTait enjoys the peace and tranquility. ;)
[10:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:29] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:29] <bigcalm> I got Ubuntu 14.04.2 installed on my new Dell XPS 8700 by disabling Secure Boot and wiping out all of the existing partitions on the HDD.
[10:30] <popey> \o/
[10:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: 64bit should of installed with secureboot in place
[10:30] <bigcalm> I've installed the nvidia-current driver and rebooted. I get the lightgdm login screen and can enter my password. After that I have a moving mouse pointer, but nothing else
[10:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed, but it didn't
[10:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: were you trying to boot from usb or dvd?
[10:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: USB. It would give me a grub screen but selecting any of the options resulted in a blank screen and nothing more.
[10:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: only by disabling Secure Boot could I progress any further
[10:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you file a bug for that
[10:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: No, I wanted to get on with my life
[10:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: 64bit should in theory just work
[10:33] <bigcalm> Anyway
[10:33] <bigcalm> I have an installed machine now
[10:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: how new is the gfx card it might be that you would need to enable the xteams ppa to get the right driver
[10:33] <bigcalm> But installing the nvidia drivers has resulted in unity not starting
[10:34] <bigcalm> GeForce GTX 750 Ti
[10:52] <davmor2> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xCd55oSgO4  you need to do this for your kids :D
[10:55] <Myrtti> difficult choices in life, I might have accidentally broken the SIM pins on hubbys old Galaxy Nexus. He might be in the market for a cheap-ish second smartphone for traveling. Firefox, Fire or Ubuntu. plah.
[10:55] <Myrtti> also: thank goddess for superglue
[10:56] <popey> hehe
[10:58] <Myrtti> if someone ever tells you that they're getting their first ever acrylic nails just few days before a big event and they are crafty people with hands on attitude, tell them they're doing a bad mistake
[10:58] <Myrtti> BAD mistake
[10:59] <Myrtti> massive.
[10:59] <foobarry> nail varnish remover is the antidote to super glue innit?
[11:00] <Myrtti> sure, but I don't want it to come off.
[11:01] <Myrtti> I had acrylic nails done two weeks ago. Last two came off yesterday and day before, after catching into my hair from the dislodged part near the cuticles.
[11:02] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: I had to put my ThinkPad into legacy mode to have a 64-bit Kubuntu install work; simply assumed it was me being stupid.
[11:02] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: Have you gone in via a TTY and checked the logs? You might see an error that gives a clue to the issue.
[11:03] <Myrtti> on their way out the acrylic nails split my actual nail few fractions of a millimeter on the wrong place. the pain in the nail bed isn't fun, kids.
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: I've only had issues similar to what describe with more bleeding-edge nvidia drivers (i.e. > v340). I assume you are running stock.
[11:07] <bigcalm> I've ended up with xorg-edgers ppa and installed nvidia-346. Working system now
[11:11] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: Neat. I pinned my drivers to 340 to stop things breaking. Maybe I'll chance 346, but I have a much other card (GT240).
[11:16] <bigcalm> I try to avoid xorg-edgers when I can. Don't always have such up to date hardware :)
[11:20] <bashrc> this weekend I will be mostly trying Ubuntu MATE
[11:40] <MooDoo> bashrc: it's not bad actually, I tried it the other day
[11:46]  * popey is downloading Ubuntu Mate 14.04.2 to test :)
[11:47] <bigcalm> I keep 32bit UM on a USB stick on my keyring. Always handy to have. Used it to demo at the LUG and converted a distro hopper who had previously left Ubuntu because of the dislike of Unity
[11:56] <bigcalm> Hello from the new machine!
[11:57]  * bigcalm slowly transfers his work life from his personal laptop to the office workstation
[11:57] <bigcalm> I didn't need to be productive today or anything
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> can't you work while files are transferred in background.  it's not windows were everything grinds t a halt when you transfer a teraabyte or 3
[11:58] <bigcalm> No, I have to install all of the programs for my dev life
[11:59] <bigcalm> And set-up VMs
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> that's still work
[12:02] <bigcalm> But not "billable" work
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> well read http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt to determine how to decide what is productive :-)
[12:08] <TwistedLucidity> Often wondered about using Puppet (or something) to try and script all that.
[12:08] <TwistedLucidity> But then I need it to work on Windows as well, and promptly lost the will to live.
[13:30] <SuperMatt> http://imgur.com/gallery/rIomO
[13:32] <Myrtti> butterup butter knife arrived.
[13:32] <Myrtti> hm.
[13:35] <Azelphur> Well, this is pretty hilarious, technically speaking my own company just tried to recruit me
[13:36] <Azelphur> Company A owns a 30% stake in Company I work for, Company A just sent me an email trying to hire me lmao
[13:36] <Azelphur> tempting to write back "I already work for you, say hi to <boss> for me"
[13:42] <davmor2> hey bigcalm isn't billable one of the characters from lord of the rings?
[14:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes
[14:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: Three main characters are billable feefor yourbadadmin
[14:22] <bigcalm> The last one is lost on me
[14:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: your bad admin
[14:26] <bigcalm> Nope, still don't get it
[15:09] <davmor2> popey: today is the 33 anniversary of this amazing track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cD9cBEaNBc and I know you'll a) listen to it and b) sing along :)
[15:12] <daftykins> hey all
[15:12] <daftykins> i have a very specific challenge to provide a windows 98 laptop with floppy drive and serial port for my aircraft engineer mate
[15:12] <daftykins> does anyone have such an era machine kicking around gathering dust? :)
[15:14] <knightwise> daftykins: thats a tough one
[15:15] <daftykins> indeed :D
[15:16] <foobarry> virtualbox?
[15:16] <foobarry> does that pass serial port?
[15:17] <foobarry> daftykins: i did have one until recently, a lovely thinkpad 600e
[15:17] <daftykins> :O
[15:18] <daftykins> nah it needs to be a proper laptop, to carry onto planes
[15:18] <foobarry> great scren on it, still worked nice after 15 years
[15:18] <daftykins> foobarry: didn't take it out behind the barn and put it out of its' misery, did you?
[15:18] <foobarry> gave it to my friend to take to zimbabwe
[15:19] <foobarry> along with bunch of other laptops
[15:19] <daftykins> ;_;
[15:20] <foobarry> i'm sure ebay is chock full of them at less than 20 quid
[15:21] <daftykins> well i'm browsing but it's tough to find something that isn't broken or is just parts
[15:21] <foobarry> ask a local uni?
[15:21] <foobarry> probably got a room full
[15:21] <daftykins> hehe, i'm on an island sir
[15:21] <foobarry> he
[15:21] <foobarry> school
[15:21] <daftykins> mmm maybe, my ol' head of IT at a College of higher ed. might have something relevant
[15:22] <hazrpg> Hey all \o
[15:22] <foobarry> hi
[15:22] <shauno> o/
[15:22] <foobarry> how are you
[15:22] <hazrpg> not too bad, how's you?
[15:22] <foobarry> old, but good
[15:24] <hazrpg> ^_^ we all get old someday
[15:24] <hazrpg> The most important thing is always your health :)
[15:25] <hazrpg> Just wondering if someone would help me diagnose why ubuntu has been freezing a lot on me recently
[15:26] <hazrpg> I keep blaming chrome... however I'm not sure if that's the true cause, because surely chrome tabs and extensions should just crash themselves not the whole OS
[15:27] <foobarry> do you have swap sapce?
[15:27] <hazrpg> foobarry: yeah, I'd be insane not to :P
[15:28] <foobarry> its overrated
[15:28] <foobarry> :P
[15:28] <foobarry> which is probably why i get hangups
[15:28] <foobarry> but swap space just delays the problem
[15:28] <hazrpg> foobarry: actually, now that you say that - htop says I have 0/0 swap o.O
[15:28] <foobarry> if you are using too much
[15:28] <foobarry> free -m
[15:28] <hazrpg> but I know I definitely have a swap partition (always make it!)
[15:29] <foobarry> sudo swapon -s
[15:29] <popey> daftykins: thinkpad x61 off ebay
[15:29] <hazrpg> sudo swapon -s returns nothing
[15:29] <popey> would run win98 just lovely
[15:29] <popey> oh, floppy is a problem
[15:29] <popey> usb :)
[15:29] <foobarry> hazrpg haz no swap
[15:30] <foobarry> probably why you get hangs
[15:30] <hazrpg> foobarry: indeed...
[15:31] <popey> daftykins: the hardest part is getting all the software updates after you install win98se
[15:31] <popey> because the windows update service is shut down i think
[15:31] <daftykins> popey: won't need any though
[15:32] <popey> even stuff like .net and other libs?
[15:32] <daftykins> it just needs to run this ghetto plane software to pull data over serial from an ATR aircraft :>
[15:32] <popey> right
[15:32] <hazrpg> foobarry: I'll be honest, I'm baffled, because I clearly have 6GB swap partition - just checked with gparted
[15:32] <daftykins> lol .NET on 98?
[15:32] <popey> yeah
[15:32] <popey> .net runtime
[15:32] <popey> anway, not needed
[15:32] <foobarry> check /etc/fstab
[15:32] <popey> i installed windows 3.11 on a usb stick recently :)
[15:32] <daftykins> :D
[15:32] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/9MVKdPG.jpg
[15:33] <popey> and gem desktop
[15:33] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/uFIoyDv.jpg
[15:33] <foobarry> sudo swapon <swap partition>
[15:33] <daftykins> i've got an old 12" Dell latitude LS400, but it needs a docking station to provide a serial port. and those'd likely require mains power to run wouldn't they?
[15:33] <daftykins> i've never owned a docking station
[15:33] <popey> the dock would, yes
[15:33] <popey> usb floppy?
[15:33] <daftykins> mmm that's a no-go then
[15:33] <popey> they're 10 a penny
[15:33] <foobarry> any old laptop will have dead battery
[15:34] <popey> yeah, unless thinkpad, in which case you can get replacements
[15:34] <daftykins> wouldn't there be issues having ghetto software seeing a USB floppy on windows 98 as the true floppy drive?
[15:34] <popey> nah, it just shows up as A:
[15:34] <popey> bios sees it
[15:34] <daftykins> i'd be a little wary of expecting that to fly, given a 98 era machine though
[15:34] <hazrpg> foobarry: I'll be honest, fstab has recently baffled me too of late - in the past it use to use /dev/sd* but now it uses UUID which I can never quite get my head around (I know what it is, just /dev/sd* made more sense to me)
[15:34] <daftykins> USB would probably be exotic enough as is :D
[15:35] <popey> i used to use a usb floppy on win98
[15:35] <hazrpg> foobarry: fstab clearly has a line for swap though
[15:35] <popey> on a sony vaio
[15:35] <popey> which had no other option
[15:35] <daftykins> hazrpg: heh, but it was too susceptible to disk changes
[15:35] <daftykins> popey: ah, good to know
[15:35] <hazrpg> foobarry: # swap was on /dev/sda3 during installation, followed by the line below it for the swap part
[15:36] <hazrpg> daftykins: true, I know what you mean - but it still made more sense :P
[15:36] <daftykins> i don't see any harm in a quick 'sudo blkid' and UUID check
[15:37] <daftykins> not the most editable of things, granted ;D
[15:37] <daftykins> in fact if i were CLI only and having to change one, i'd probably end up using paper :S
[15:37] <hazrpg> daftykins: I didn't know that command - cheers for that :)
[15:38] <daftykins> ^_^ np
[15:40] <hazrpg> daftykins: thanks for that command btw, seems my UUID for the swap changed
[15:40] <daftykins> 0o
[15:41] <daftykins> keep an fstab backup as-is just in case
[15:41] <hazrpg> daftykins: indeed ;)
[15:44] <hazrpg> I wonder what would have caused that to change o.O
[15:49] <hazrpg> going to reboot to see if that new fstab works, back shortly
[15:52] <hazrpg> seems that sorted out the fstab :)
[15:52] <hazrpg> still don't understand why my system has recently been hanging up/freezing though
[15:53] <hazrpg> it's always something different in the /var/log/syslog
[15:56] <foobarry> will stop hanging now
[15:56] <foobarry> *maybe
[16:52] <daftykins> heh i've found a nice Dell C800... in Nebraska
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> shipping will cost a fortune :-)
[16:53] <daftykins> it oddly enough comes up as £15 on ebay
[16:53] <daftykins> but yeah i would rather not go that far afield if possible
[16:54] <diddledan> C800? isn't that a rather large freight plane?
[16:54] <daftykins> :>
[16:54] <diddledan> in which case it'll deliver itself :-p
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> no you load it up in the antonov 225 and they air drop it on your doorstep
[17:00] <daftykins> any recommendations'd be handy, this task seems quite hard
[17:00] <daftykins> so it's any laptop that'll run win98, with a floppy drive and serial port
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> go to your nearest recycle centre and see if they have one lying around?
[17:01] <daftykins> ;]
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> as a doorstep even :-)
[17:05] <diddledan> teehee: https://plus.google.com/111403714821787277067/posts/2K3BY1NMp7V
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> that's old, i think it wants a bitcoin miner these days too :-)
[17:07] <diddledan> it's just reared it's head for mac users tho
[17:07] <diddledan> from yesterday (us time) http://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-extends-its-adware-bundling-to-include-java-for-macs/
[17:09] <diddledan> Myrtti, I'm intrigued by your bouquet requiring charging
[17:10] <Myrtti> I'll probably participate in Adafruit show and tell session and blog about it later ;-)
[17:10] <diddledan> \o/
[17:14] <Myrtti> I've got one request for a write-up already from a FinnIsh maker fanzine
[17:14] <Myrtti> stupid predictive text
[17:14] <diddledan> ooh, nice one!
[17:15] <Azelphur> Anyone electronicsy know where I might pick up one of these micro switches? https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=096a2e5364b88925ab763868ec90d62e
[17:22] <shauno> the blue bit?
[17:22] <Azelphur> shauno: nah, bluish green, the one with 3S1802A on the side
[17:23] <shauno> probably something like http://uk.farnell.com/omron-electronic-components/ss-01/microswitch-spdt-pin-30vdc-0-1a/dp/1829514
[17:23] <shauno> but you'll want to look around 'subminature pin-plunger' to find the best match
[17:23] <davmor2> Azelphur: maplins
[17:23] <shauno> (eg, how many connections come out the bottom, and what lines up, and blah blah.  make sure it fits)
[17:24] <Azelphur> shauno: tbh I have no clue of what that is, I might need a little education :)
[17:29] <ujjain> does theather monkey have a green seat map or only reviews?
[17:30] <Azelphur> shauno: certainly looks like the right part, just as you say may not fit
[17:35] <diddledan> googley play-doh is giving away fast and furious for free
[17:35] <diddledan> https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/Fast_and_Furious
[17:35] <shauno> Azelphur, that's the problem .. there's characteristics you can't see from there.  like whether it has big flat legs or straight pins, or ..
[17:37] <Azelphur> shauno: oh wow, so I did a google search and I found someone replacing the middle button (not left as I want to do) but boatloads of photos, http://rellinger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/replacing-middle-button-on-logitech.html
[17:38] <Azelphur> I might do the middle too tbh with that info, my middle is a bit funky.
[17:39] <Azelphur> shauno: last photo clearly shows the underside of the board too though
[17:39] <daftykins> i have a couple of those M570s for the boss
[19:07] <IhaveScreenArtif> Judging from me user name you may have figured out i have screen artifacts after a series of updates.
[19:07] <IhaveScreenArtif> i need help
[19:08] <ali1234> what kind of artifacts?
[19:08] <ali1234> what graphics card and what did you update to/from?
[19:09] <daftykins> either that or you have screen art
[19:09] <IhaveScreenArtif> i dont know what i updated from.
[19:09] <diddledan> daftykins, only conditional art
[19:11] <IhaveScreenArtif> and i dont know what graphics card i have
[19:11] <daftykins> "lspci | pastebinit" to share with the group, IhaveScreenArtif
[19:11] <daftykins> you may have to install pastebinit first
[19:12] <IhaveScreenArtif> i need to install it
[19:14] <IhaveScreenArtif> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10552136/
[19:14] <daftykins> hmm intel Q35
[19:15] <IhaveScreenArtif> really old?
[19:15] <diddledan> intel should be well-supported, no?
[19:15] <ali1234> diddledan: it's well supported if you have a headless server
[19:15] <daftykins> XD
[19:49] <IhaveScreenArtif> it seems like for now the so called screen artifacts cant be seen
[19:50] <diddledan> take a screen shot :-p
[19:50] <diddledan> I did that to show someone the huge moth that had landed on my monitor
[19:59]  * bashrc is running on Ubuntu MATE
[20:01] <popey> \o/
[20:02] <bashrc> it's like going back in time to 10.10
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> arrrrrrrrr
[20:03] <IhaveScreenArtif> has anyone decided what party your going to  vote in the general elections?
[20:03] <bashrc> eh, well, maybe
[20:03] <daftykins> not my government :D
[20:04] <IhaveScreenArtif> im sure your pro europe
[20:04] <popey> !politics
[20:04] <popey> :)
[20:04] <bashrc> I'm a people person
[20:06] <IhaveScreenArtif> who on earth will have Tesco broadband
[20:07] <Myrtti> nobody nowadays, it's all TalkTalk
[20:07] <IhaveScreenArtif> no, its BT
[20:07] <Myrtti> http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/utilities/2015/01/talktalk-to-take-over-tesco-broadband-and-home-phone-customers
[20:15]  * zmoylan-pi has tesco mobile in ireland and hopes the 3 and o2 merger doesn't muck things up too much.  i saw a price change sms in last week
[20:15] <zmoylan-pi> tesco mobile is run as a mvpn on o2's network
[20:20] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSDPOvtPi5s
[20:21] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, mvpn?
[20:21]  * zmoylan-pi loans them my bow and arrows to do real damage to their server fort :-)
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> a mobile network that is virtual in that it has no masts of its own but rents space on another companies.
[20:22] <daftykins> it's MVNO i think? mobile virtual network operator
[20:22] <diddledan> not one of these then: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk828/tech_digest09186a00801a64a3.html
[20:23] <diddledan> this might be a more readable version: http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=32100&seqNum=3
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> my bad mvno. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_operator
[20:33] <daftykins> nothing like a good wiki salt
[20:33] <daftykins> ;)
[20:42] <diddledan> wikiwikiwiki oi oi oi
[20:47] <Myrtti> wakawaka
[20:47] <diddledan> pacman?
[21:47] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMnb4-t8vo <-- first couple of minutes where he talks about "hate driven development" .. funny