=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:17] hi all:D [08:11] morning all [08:11] ing [08:11] *ning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:58] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Day of Unplugging! :-D [10:00] * bashrc remains plugged [10:07] * davmor2 unplugs his router and blames JamesTait for his lack of internet when his boss is online :D [10:08] * JamesTait enjoys the peace and tranquility. ;) [10:15] morning boys and girls. [10:29] Good morning peeps :) [10:29] morning bigcalm [10:29] I got Ubuntu 14.04.2 installed on my new Dell XPS 8700 by disabling Secure Boot and wiping out all of the existing partitions on the HDD. [10:30] \o/ [10:30] bigcalm: 64bit should of installed with secureboot in place [10:30] I've installed the nvidia-current driver and rebooted. I get the lightgdm login screen and can enter my password. After that I have a moving mouse pointer, but nothing else [10:30] davmor2: indeed, but it didn't [10:31] bigcalm: were you trying to boot from usb or dvd? [10:31] davmor2: USB. It would give me a grub screen but selecting any of the options resulted in a blank screen and nothing more. [10:32] davmor2: only by disabling Secure Boot could I progress any further [10:32] bigcalm: did you file a bug for that [10:32] davmor2: No, I wanted to get on with my life [10:32] bigcalm: 64bit should in theory just work [10:33] Anyway [10:33] I have an installed machine now [10:33] bigcalm: how new is the gfx card it might be that you would need to enable the xteams ppa to get the right driver [10:33] But installing the nvidia drivers has resulted in unity not starting [10:34] GeForce GTX 750 Ti [10:52] popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xCd55oSgO4 you need to do this for your kids :D [10:55] difficult choices in life, I might have accidentally broken the SIM pins on hubbys old Galaxy Nexus. He might be in the market for a cheap-ish second smartphone for traveling. Firefox, Fire or Ubuntu. plah. [10:55] also: thank goddess for superglue [10:56] hehe [10:58] if someone ever tells you that they're getting their first ever acrylic nails just few days before a big event and they are crafty people with hands on attitude, tell them they're doing a bad mistake [10:58] BAD mistake [10:59] massive. [10:59] nail varnish remover is the antidote to super glue innit? [11:00] sure, but I don't want it to come off. [11:01] I had acrylic nails done two weeks ago. Last two came off yesterday and day before, after catching into my hair from the dislodged part near the cuticles. [11:02] bigcalm: I had to put my ThinkPad into legacy mode to have a 64-bit Kubuntu install work; simply assumed it was me being stupid. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:02] bigcalm: Have you gone in via a TTY and checked the logs? You might see an error that gives a clue to the issue. [11:03] on their way out the acrylic nails split my actual nail few fractions of a millimeter on the wrong place. the pain in the nail bed isn't fun, kids. [11:07] bigcalm: I've only had issues similar to what describe with more bleeding-edge nvidia drivers (i.e. > v340). I assume you are running stock. [11:07] I've ended up with xorg-edgers ppa and installed nvidia-346. Working system now [11:11] bigcalm: Neat. I pinned my drivers to 340 to stop things breaking. Maybe I'll chance 346, but I have a much other card (GT240). [11:16] I try to avoid xorg-edgers when I can. Don't always have such up to date hardware :) [11:20] this weekend I will be mostly trying Ubuntu MATE [11:40] bashrc: it's not bad actually, I tried it the other day [11:46] * popey is downloading Ubuntu Mate 14.04.2 to test :) [11:47] I keep 32bit UM on a USB stick on my keyring. Always handy to have. Used it to demo at the LUG and converted a distro hopper who had previously left Ubuntu because of the dislike of Unity [11:56] Hello from the new machine! [11:57] * bigcalm slowly transfers his work life from his personal laptop to the office workstation [11:57] I didn't need to be productive today or anything [11:58] can't you work while files are transferred in background. it's not windows were everything grinds t a halt when you transfer a teraabyte or 3 [11:58] No, I have to install all of the programs for my dev life [11:59] And set-up VMs [12:02] that's still work [12:02] But not "billable" work [12:04] well read http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt to determine how to decide what is productive :-) [12:08] Often wondered about using Puppet (or something) to try and script all that. [12:08] But then I need it to work on Windows as well, and promptly lost the will to live. [13:30] http://imgur.com/gallery/rIomO [13:32] butterup butter knife arrived. [13:32] hm. [13:35] Well, this is pretty hilarious, technically speaking my own company just tried to recruit me [13:36] Company A owns a 30% stake in Company I work for, Company A just sent me an email trying to hire me lmao [13:36] tempting to write back "I already work for you, say hi to for me" [13:42] hey bigcalm isn't billable one of the characters from lord of the rings? [14:02] davmor2: yes === marcushaslam_ is now known as marcushaslam [14:19] bigcalm: Three main characters are billable feefor yourbadadmin [14:22] The last one is lost on me [14:26] bigcalm: your bad admin [14:26] Nope, still don't get it [15:09] popey: today is the 33 anniversary of this amazing track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cD9cBEaNBc and I know you'll a) listen to it and b) sing along :) [15:12] hey all [15:12] i have a very specific challenge to provide a windows 98 laptop with floppy drive and serial port for my aircraft engineer mate [15:12] does anyone have such an era machine kicking around gathering dust? :) [15:14] daftykins: thats a tough one [15:15] indeed :D [15:16] virtualbox? [15:16] does that pass serial port? [15:17] daftykins: i did have one until recently, a lovely thinkpad 600e [15:17] :O [15:18] nah it needs to be a proper laptop, to carry onto planes [15:18] great scren on it, still worked nice after 15 years [15:18] foobarry: didn't take it out behind the barn and put it out of its' misery, did you? [15:18] gave it to my friend to take to zimbabwe [15:19] along with bunch of other laptops [15:19] ;_; [15:20] i'm sure ebay is chock full of them at less than 20 quid [15:21] well i'm browsing but it's tough to find something that isn't broken or is just parts [15:21] ask a local uni? [15:21] probably got a room full [15:21] hehe, i'm on an island sir [15:21] he [15:21] school [15:21] mmm maybe, my ol' head of IT at a College of higher ed. might have something relevant [15:22] Hey all \o [15:22] hi [15:22] o/ [15:22] how are you [15:22] not too bad, how's you? [15:22] old, but good [15:24] ^_^ we all get old someday [15:24] The most important thing is always your health :) [15:25] Just wondering if someone would help me diagnose why ubuntu has been freezing a lot on me recently [15:26] I keep blaming chrome... however I'm not sure if that's the true cause, because surely chrome tabs and extensions should just crash themselves not the whole OS [15:27] do you have swap sapce? [15:27] foobarry: yeah, I'd be insane not to :P [15:28] its overrated [15:28] :P [15:28] which is probably why i get hangups [15:28] but swap space just delays the problem [15:28] foobarry: actually, now that you say that - htop says I have 0/0 swap o.O [15:28] if you are using too much [15:28] free -m [15:28] but I know I definitely have a swap partition (always make it!) [15:29] sudo swapon -s [15:29] daftykins: thinkpad x61 off ebay [15:29] sudo swapon -s returns nothing [15:29] would run win98 just lovely [15:29] oh, floppy is a problem [15:29] usb :) [15:29] hazrpg haz no swap [15:30] probably why you get hangs [15:30] foobarry: indeed... [15:31] daftykins: the hardest part is getting all the software updates after you install win98se [15:31] because the windows update service is shut down i think [15:31] popey: won't need any though [15:32] even stuff like .net and other libs? [15:32] it just needs to run this ghetto plane software to pull data over serial from an ATR aircraft :> [15:32] right [15:32] foobarry: I'll be honest, I'm baffled, because I clearly have 6GB swap partition - just checked with gparted [15:32] lol .NET on 98? [15:32] yeah [15:32] .net runtime [15:32] anway, not needed [15:32] check /etc/fstab [15:32] i installed windows 3.11 on a usb stick recently :) [15:32] :D [15:32] http://i.imgur.com/9MVKdPG.jpg [15:33] and gem desktop [15:33] http://i.imgur.com/uFIoyDv.jpg [15:33] sudo swapon [15:33] i've got an old 12" Dell latitude LS400, but it needs a docking station to provide a serial port. and those'd likely require mains power to run wouldn't they? [15:33] i've never owned a docking station [15:33] the dock would, yes [15:33] usb floppy? [15:33] mmm that's a no-go then [15:33] they're 10 a penny [15:33] any old laptop will have dead battery [15:34] yeah, unless thinkpad, in which case you can get replacements [15:34] wouldn't there be issues having ghetto software seeing a USB floppy on windows 98 as the true floppy drive? [15:34] nah, it just shows up as A: [15:34] bios sees it [15:34] i'd be a little wary of expecting that to fly, given a 98 era machine though [15:34] foobarry: I'll be honest, fstab has recently baffled me too of late - in the past it use to use /dev/sd* but now it uses UUID which I can never quite get my head around (I know what it is, just /dev/sd* made more sense to me) [15:34] USB would probably be exotic enough as is :D [15:35] i used to use a usb floppy on win98 [15:35] foobarry: fstab clearly has a line for swap though [15:35] on a sony vaio [15:35] which had no other option [15:35] hazrpg: heh, but it was too susceptible to disk changes [15:35] popey: ah, good to know [15:35] foobarry: # swap was on /dev/sda3 during installation, followed by the line below it for the swap part [15:36] daftykins: true, I know what you mean - but it still made more sense :P [15:36] i don't see any harm in a quick 'sudo blkid' and UUID check [15:37] not the most editable of things, granted ;D [15:37] in fact if i were CLI only and having to change one, i'd probably end up using paper :S [15:37] daftykins: I didn't know that command - cheers for that :) [15:38] ^_^ np [15:40] daftykins: thanks for that command btw, seems my UUID for the swap changed [15:40] 0o [15:41] keep an fstab backup as-is just in case [15:41] daftykins: indeed ;) [15:44] I wonder what would have caused that to change o.O [15:49] going to reboot to see if that new fstab works, back shortly [15:52] seems that sorted out the fstab :) [15:52] still don't understand why my system has recently been hanging up/freezing though [15:53] it's always something different in the /var/log/syslog [15:56] will stop hanging now [15:56] *maybe [16:52] heh i've found a nice Dell C800... in Nebraska [16:53] shipping will cost a fortune :-) [16:53] it oddly enough comes up as £15 on ebay [16:53] but yeah i would rather not go that far afield if possible [16:54] C800? isn't that a rather large freight plane? [16:54] :> [16:54] in which case it'll deliver itself :-p [16:55] no you load it up in the antonov 225 and they air drop it on your doorstep [17:00] any recommendations'd be handy, this task seems quite hard [17:00] so it's any laptop that'll run win98, with a floppy drive and serial port [17:01] go to your nearest recycle centre and see if they have one lying around? [17:01] ;] [17:01] as a doorstep even :-) [17:05] teehee: https://plus.google.com/111403714821787277067/posts/2K3BY1NMp7V [17:06] that's old, i think it wants a bitcoin miner these days too :-) [17:07] it's just reared it's head for mac users tho [17:07] from yesterday (us time) http://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-extends-its-adware-bundling-to-include-java-for-macs/ [17:09] Myrtti, I'm intrigued by your bouquet requiring charging [17:10] I'll probably participate in Adafruit show and tell session and blog about it later ;-) [17:10] \o/ [17:14] I've got one request for a write-up already from a FinnIsh maker fanzine [17:14] stupid predictive text [17:14] ooh, nice one! [17:15] Anyone electronicsy know where I might pick up one of these micro switches? https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=096a2e5364b88925ab763868ec90d62e [17:22] the blue bit? [17:22] shauno: nah, bluish green, the one with 3S1802A on the side [17:23] probably something like http://uk.farnell.com/omron-electronic-components/ss-01/microswitch-spdt-pin-30vdc-0-1a/dp/1829514 [17:23] but you'll want to look around 'subminature pin-plunger' to find the best match [17:23] Azelphur: maplins [17:23] (eg, how many connections come out the bottom, and what lines up, and blah blah. make sure it fits) [17:24] shauno: tbh I have no clue of what that is, I might need a little education :) [17:29] does theather monkey have a green seat map or only reviews? [17:30] shauno: certainly looks like the right part, just as you say may not fit [17:35] googley play-doh is giving away fast and furious for free [17:35] https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/Fast_and_Furious [17:35] Azelphur, that's the problem .. there's characteristics you can't see from there. like whether it has big flat legs or straight pins, or .. [17:37] shauno: oh wow, so I did a google search and I found someone replacing the middle button (not left as I want to do) but boatloads of photos, http://rellinger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/replacing-middle-button-on-logitech.html [17:38] I might do the middle too tbh with that info, my middle is a bit funky. [17:39] shauno: last photo clearly shows the underside of the board too though [17:39] i have a couple of those M570s for the boss === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [19:07] Judging from me user name you may have figured out i have screen artifacts after a series of updates. [19:07] i need help [19:08] what kind of artifacts? [19:08] what graphics card and what did you update to/from? [19:09] either that or you have screen art [19:09] i dont know what i updated from. [19:09] daftykins, only conditional art [19:11] and i dont know what graphics card i have [19:11] "lspci | pastebinit" to share with the group, IhaveScreenArtif [19:11] you may have to install pastebinit first [19:12] i need to install it [19:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10552136/ [19:14] hmm intel Q35 [19:15] really old? [19:15] intel should be well-supported, no? [19:15] diddledan: it's well supported if you have a headless server [19:15] XD [19:49] it seems like for now the so called screen artifacts cant be seen [19:50] take a screen shot :-p [19:50] I did that to show someone the huge moth that had landed on my monitor [19:59] * bashrc is running on Ubuntu MATE [20:01] \o/ [20:02] it's like going back in time to 10.10 [20:02] arrrrrrrrr [20:03] has anyone decided what party your going to vote in the general elections? [20:03] eh, well, maybe [20:03] not my government :D [20:04] im sure your pro europe [20:04] !politics [20:04] Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you! [20:04] :) [20:04] I'm a people person [20:06] who on earth will have Tesco broadband [20:07] nobody nowadays, it's all TalkTalk [20:07] no, its BT [20:07] http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/utilities/2015/01/talktalk-to-take-over-tesco-broadband-and-home-phone-customers [20:15] * zmoylan-pi has tesco mobile in ireland and hopes the 3 and o2 merger doesn't muck things up too much. i saw a price change sms in last week [20:15] tesco mobile is run as a mvpn on o2's network [20:20] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSDPOvtPi5s [20:21] zmoylan-pi, mvpn? [20:21] * zmoylan-pi loans them my bow and arrows to do real damage to their server fort :-) [20:22] a mobile network that is virtual in that it has no masts of its own but rents space on another companies. [20:22] it's MVNO i think? mobile virtual network operator [20:22] not one of these then: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk828/tech_digest09186a00801a64a3.html [20:23] this might be a more readable version: http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=32100&seqNum=3 [20:23] my bad mvno. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_operator [20:33] nothing like a good wiki salt [20:33] ;) [20:42] wikiwikiwiki oi oi oi [20:47] wakawaka [20:47] pacman? [21:47] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMnb4-t8vo <-- first couple of minutes where he talks about "hate driven development" .. funny === Hornet- is now known as Hornet