[01:25] <gamerchick02> hexchat on mac!!
[01:25] <gamerchick02> my fave irc program
[01:27] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:29] <gamerchick02> howdy cmaloney!
[01:33] <gamerchick02> i've not set up the dell yet.
[01:34] <gamerchick02> i want to but i didn't want to bring it up to Saginaw along with my other stuff.
[03:03] <cmaloney> bah
[03:05] <rick_h_> humbug
[03:12] <_stink_> ohhhh look what i just found
[03:12] <_stink_> http://www.pydanny.com/cookie-project-templates-made-easy.html#comment-1004658971
[03:12] <_stink_> rick_h_: so what's the answer for modern-package-template in python3?
[03:15] <jrwren> same as py2
[03:15] <jrwren> maybe port the template to python3 if needed, but it likely isn't needed. python3 isn't THAT different.
[03:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, not sure what, if anything is different for modern package templte for Py3
[03:20] <cmaloney> I've been packaging up everything I can for work under MPT
[03:51] <_stink_> hmm - when i pip install modern-package-tempate inside a virtualenv with python3, PasteScript appears broken
[03:51] <_stink_> and if i search around, it looks like paste doesn't support python3.
[03:51] <_stink_> am i wrong?
[03:56] <jrwren> sounds familiar for some reason.
[04:23] <_stink_> trying cookiecutter
[14:10] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:11] <rick_h_> ugh wheeee
[14:12] <mrgoodcat> any emacs people here?
[14:12] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That good eh?
[14:12] <rick_h_> isn't gamerchick?
[14:12] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Not sure. I seem to remember devinheitmueller was but I might be making stuff up
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> i was gonna try to learn emacs basics, but the tutorial is gonna break my fingers
[14:13] <_stink_> i was but then my fingers fell off
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> so many ctrl+alt
[14:13] <_stink_> i did use it in grad school
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> i was gonna ask how emacs people deal with that
[14:13] <cmaloney> yeah, that and I didn't like how you basicall had to learn lisp to configure it
[14:13] <rick_h_> yea, I wanted to be a true geek and even got two emacs books
[14:13] <_stink_> i pretty much only remember ctrl-x ctrl-s
[14:13] <rick_h_> and gave up and decided to be the best vim user I could be
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: it started because i'm learning lisp
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> so thats not a problem
[14:13] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: It's a great test-bed for lisp
[14:14] <mrgoodcat> that's what i heard
[14:14] <cmaloney> as an editor it makes me cry.
[14:14] <mrgoodcat> heh
[14:14] <_stink_> rick_h_: it looks like modern-package-template doesn't work in python3... is this true?  if so, do you have a recommendatio nfor a similar thing in python3?
[14:14] <cmaloney> _stink_: Just fix paster. :)
[14:15] <cmaloney> That should be an afternoon. ;)
[14:15] <jrwren> surely you remember ctrl-e and ctrl-a too?
[14:15] <SneakyPhil> rick_h_: haaha
[14:15] <rick_h_> _stink_: cookiecutter
[14:15] <rick_h_> _stink_: what we've moved to
[14:15] <rick_h_> jrwren: nope, by moving to vim in zsh I never have to use emacs style controls
[14:16] <cmaloney> jrwren: bash has vi-style keybindings
[14:16] <jrwren> rick_h_: HARDCORE! :)
[14:16] <cmaloney> I finally made the plunge
[14:16] <jrwren> cmaloney: yes. I used them for all of 10min once.
[14:16] <rick_h_> jrwren: even use 'jj' to 'esc' in zsh and vim <3
[14:16] <cmaloney> jrwren: I was the same way. Persevere. :)
[14:16] <_stink_> cmaloney: yeah, geez, no thanks
[14:16] <devinheitmueller> cmaloney: hey.
[14:16] <rick_h_> zsh has much better vim mode imo
[14:16] <_stink_> rick_h_: ok great, that's what i settled on last night.  thanks!
[14:17] <rick_h_> _stink_: <3
[14:17] <SneakyPhil> rick_h_: do you use zsh locally and the default shell on your boxes?
[14:17] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, I’m an emacs user, but despite having used it for almost 20 years I still only use a handful of commands.
[14:17] <jrwren> cmaloney: i don't know if it is perseverence if it is glorious at the same time.
[14:17] <cmaloney> devinheitmueller: I think that's true of most.
[14:17] <rick_h_> SneakyPhil: yea, I use zsh on all my boxes
[14:17] <_stink_> jrwren: oh yeah i do remember those... but i think of them as bashy, not emacsy :P
[14:17] <_stink_> this is surely heresy.
[14:17] <rick_h_> the only place it's not the default is on a shared server with the team and I'm |--| close to changing it
[14:18] <jrwren> _stink_: yeah, they are emacs. emacs is so powerful it bleeds into bash and macosx input boxes :p
[14:18] <devinheitmueller> At least on bash you can reconfigure the command line hotkeys to use vi conventions rather than the default of emacs.
[14:18] <devinheitmueller> That said, most people know stuff like ctrl-a and ctrl-e because of bash.
[14:21] <cmaloney> That's how I learned it
[14:24] <devinheitmueller> Thinking of scripting, anybody know any junior engineers looking to do some contract work?
[14:25] <devinheitmueller> I want to setup an automation rig for test LinuxTV drivers (using codespeed), so I need somebody to setup a web server, install codespeed and do some scripting to write test cases.
[14:27] <devinheitmueller> I’m also looking at Tapper (http://tapper.github.io/Tapper/), which has the ability to output to codespeed.    Mainly I’m looking to do a combination to compliance and performance tests on a regular interval across multiple devices and have a reasonable web UI for analyzing the results.
[14:29] <cmaloney> Sounds interesting
[14:29] <devinheitmueller> None of it is rocket science.  It’s the sort of thing in the past I’ve hired a kid straight of college to do (assuming he knows UNIX scripting).  That said, it just isn’t cost effective to do it myself.
[14:30] <cmaloney> yeah, it's a lot of grunt-work
[14:30] <devinheitmueller> Oh, here’s the codespeed project URL in case anybody is interested:  https://github.com/tobami/codespeed
[14:30] <devinheitmueller> Neat little project, used by a number of other projects for benchmarking:  “Known to be used by PyPy, Twisted, RubySpec and many more."
[14:30] <cmaloney> bookmarked
[14:31] <devinheitmueller> It’s got links to the sites setup by those projects, if you want to get a feel for the UI.
[14:31] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I _almost_ got jsivak using Bookie
[14:31] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol
[14:31] <cmaloney> I swearh his bookmarking / scrapbooking configuration just screams Bookie
[14:36] <rick_h_> cmaloney: heh, I don't know. he might just crush things
[14:37] <cmaloney> I'm sure half of his bookmarks are 404 anyway
[14:38]  * rick_h_ shakes fist at UPS! "Delay in delivery due to weather or natural disaster"
[14:39] <cmaloney> rick_h_: What are they ransoming?
[14:39] <rick_h_> I prime overnight'd a camera because I wanted to take it on our zoo trip this weekend
[14:39] <cmaloney> You know that never works out
[14:39] <jrwren> oooh... pypy <3
[14:39] <brousch> Another camera?!
[14:39] <rick_h_> technically on wed, but it was late so turned into thurs ship for friday
[14:40] <jrwren> pypy is the greatest thing that no one talks about.
[14:40] <rick_h_> brousch: yes, it's been a year since my last one :)
[14:40] <rick_h_> jrwren: +1
[14:40] <rick_h_> jrwren: though they don't do a ton of talking to be honest expect on their 'failures' as they work on things like numpy
[14:41] <jrwren> rick_h_: yup. and it is a hump to get to for sure. certain c modules have to be worked around, usually the DB provider you are using if you are doing web stuff.
[14:41] <rick_h_> yep
[14:41] <jrwren> but once you get over that hump, on man, python isn't slow.
[14:42] <rick_h_> though most of the db drives have some sort of pure python drive these days, mostly for async love but side effect is it helps pypy
[14:42] <jrwren> It is so good that you'd never use another GC langauge for speed reasons. its as fast or faster than java, go, .net, D, rust.   pypy is awesome.
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: what camera?
[14:42] <jrwren> rick_h_: yup. we found some psycopg2 pure python compat port which worked well.
[14:42] <rick_h_> jrwren: cool yea
[14:42] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: oly em5 mk2
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> nice
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> what are you using these days?
[14:43] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: pany gx7
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> since obviously your olympus is delayed
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> i've never had a panasonic
[14:44] <rick_h_> it's nice and done me well the last year
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> really enjoying my sony
[14:44] <rick_h_> but the new oly has me sold on the in body stabilization and I find I like oly lenses a lot since they're smaller since they don't need OIS in them
[14:44] <rick_h_> yea, I like the idea of the sony, but it's a chunk larger and my big thing is a travel camera for work that I can take on planes/trips
[14:45] <rick_h_> and the m4/3 lenses are so many more and nice
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> oh yea its not really a travel cam
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i even have a second grip on it
[14:45] <rick_h_> assuming you mean like a a7 aor such
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> so its really big
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> a700
[14:45] <rick_h_> ah
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i have an a57 for travel
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> which is a bit smaller
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> and does HD video
[14:45] <rick_h_> I almost went to the new a7 2
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i almost had money
[14:45] <rick_h_> with its IBIS
[14:45] <gamerchick02> i didn't know you guys were into photography. cool.
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> for that
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> i'm a photography wannabe mostly
[14:46] <rick_h_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/ scroll and scrolls wheeee
[14:46] <rick_h_> yea, it's a nice hobby I can do while I work
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> my stuff isn't online
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> not publicly anyways
[14:46] <rick_h_> ah, I put most of my stuff up from trips/etc
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> i'm shy about artwork
[14:47] <rick_h_> especially since most of my stuff is more travel/street stuff
[14:47] <rick_h_> even my studio practice stuff so you can stare at my bald head 50+ times https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/sets/72157649833725800/
[14:47] <gamerchick02> rick_h_, nice pictures. really
[14:47] <rick_h_> as I practice with flash, umbrella, and such
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> i don't have studio equipment
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> haven't done any studio work since high school
[14:48] <rick_h_> I just picked up some flash and a portable softbox and such as my christmas gift this year
[14:49] <rick_h_> and need to play with it some more, only done a couple of practice sessions with it
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> cool
[14:49] <cmaloney> I still need to make a plugin for a CI that replaces the thunderstorm clouds with angry rick_h_
[14:49] <gamerchick02> oooo
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> i have a lightbox but its a bit small to put a person in
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> heh
[14:49] <cmaloney> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/16065134079/in/set-72157649833725800
[14:49] <cmaloney> "Your test have failed and do not pass PEP8. Correct yourself."
[14:50] <gamerchick02> perfect caption
[14:50] <cmaloney> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/16063747140/in/set-72157649833725800
[14:50] <cmaloney> "You have committed Java to the repo."
[14:50] <rick_h_> lol
[14:50] <gamerchick02> LOL
[14:50]  * gamerchick02 falls off chair
[14:51] <cmaloney> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/15628883914/in/set-72157649833725800
[14:51] <cmaloney> "I'm about to remove your commit bit"
[14:51] <gamerchick02> OT, rick_h_ i think i'm going to name the new computer humboldt. after the Humboldt penguin. not the squid.
[14:52] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: nice
[14:52] <gamerchick02> i have a penguin theme for all my computers (desktop is Emperor, macbook is rockhopper, and my wireless is named Igloo)
[14:53] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Very cool
[14:53]  * gamerchick02 is such a huge nerd
[14:53] <cmaloney> Mine are named after Red Drawf characters
[14:54] <cmaloney> penguins are not thata nerdy.
[14:54] <cmaloney> apparently I'm now channeling Mario
[14:54] <gamerchick02> "itsa Me, Mario!"
[14:54] <gamerchick02> lol
[14:55] <cmaloney> Worst stereotype in videogames ever.
[14:55] <gamerchick02> penguins are pretty awesome. did you know that there were HUGE prehistoric penguins?
[14:55] <gamerchick02> i agree though, about the stereotype
[14:55] <cmaloney> That's because Penguins are badass
[14:55] <jrwren> cmaloney: I think rick would be even more scary than that if there were java in the repo. I know I would
[14:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: Working with the material I have.
[14:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: Pretty sure there would be a paddling.
[14:56] <gamerchick02> uhm.
[14:57] <gamerchick02> note to self, do not commit Java to the repo. (not that i ever would)
[14:57] <jrwren> cmaloney: team was none to happy when I tried to sneak in 20 lines of perl. :)
[14:57] <gamerchick02> committing Java sounds like "committing seppuku" or something
[14:58] <gamerchick02> "but you don't like my perls of wisdom" *badum tiss*
[14:58]  * gamerchick02 bows. i'll be here all day
[14:59] <cmaloney> jrwren: I don't blame them. With 20 lines of Perl you could rewrite the human genome
[15:00] <cmaloney> jrwren: mankind is not ready for that kind of awesome responsibility.
[15:02] <jrwren> cmaloney: funny you mention it. I think I used perl to do some bioinformatics on part of the human genome 10+yrs ago.
[15:02] <cmaloney> See?
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> Penguins don't live in igloos
[15:34] <SneakyPhil> lol
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> Sorry. Lag.
[18:17] <gamerchick02> no they don't. but i picked my wireless name and then was like "whoops". so i stuck with it. should be iceberg
[18:17] <gamerchick02> and hi hi ColonelPanic001 long time no see
[18:18] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[18:19] <gamerchick02> i'm off work today. yay!
[18:19] <ColonelPanic001> the best way to start a day
[18:19] <gamerchick02> :) yes. that and coffee.
[18:20] <gamerchick02> i'm going to a concert tonight and theoretically i could have worked but... i didn't want to. hah
[18:21] <ColonelPanic001> that's all the reason that's needed
[18:21] <gamerchick02> :-D
[20:56] <cmaloney> http://metalinjection.fm
[20:56] <cmaloney> ^^ Clothe your ears in metal. :)
[22:28] <mrgoodcat> has anybody set up filevault on a fresh MBP recently?
[23:57] <greg-g> ok, so, every time I think "I should just whip up a quick python script to do this, there's already a library for that services API that looks nice." I end up not doing it because I remember bad experiences with venvs, system-installed versus user vs local libraries and having a hard time getting a program to run on a different machine due to mismatching versions
[23:57] <greg-g> what should I follow to Do It Right(TM)?
[23:57] <greg-g> opinionated opinions highly welcome