[00:08] <valorie> Riddell: question - should I leave in reference to daily unstable PPA?
[00:09] <Riddell> valorie: that's a question for sitter I guess, I'm not sure if it's maintained currently (probably not)
[00:09] <valorie> then I think I'll clear it all out
[00:10] <valorie> it's time to move people on to vivid
[00:12] <valorie> it is kubuntu-desktop meta-package people need to install if they ppa-purge, correct?
[00:12] <Riddell> valorie: yep
[00:17] <valorie> hmmm, why are we still supplying these? http://files.kde.org/snapshots/
[00:17] <valorie> and do we want to point anybody to them
[00:19] <valorie> they are isos, I guess it is not a problem, but there is still neon listed there!
[00:21] <Riddell> valorie: the weekly isos are now based on vivid + ci packages
[00:21] <valorie> ok, I'll change that text also then
[00:21] <Riddell> valorie: I believe the neon is just a symlink to keep old links happy
[00:23] <valorie> sanity check on https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu please
[00:27] <Riddell> valorie: "Live Images of Utopic Kubuntu Plasma 5 images " can go since they're obsolete
[00:28] <Riddell> valorie: "Live Image of Kubuntu Utopic with Packages from Git" should say vivid not utopic
[00:28] <valorie> ok
[00:30] <valorie> done, and added bash highlighting
[00:30] <valorie> I'll drop a note to -devel in case there are any more corrections needed
[00:30] <Riddell> thanks valorie 
[00:30] <valorie> yw
[00:32] <Riddell> valorie: did you get a time for kubuntu at akademy?
[00:35] <valorie> uh, I don't know if anything is on the official calendar yet, but didn't we decide on dates?
[00:35]  * valorie goes to look at logs
[00:45] <valorie> couldn't find anything in logs, probably lost in that data that wasn't backup up
[00:45] <valorie> wasn't backed up, sheesh
[00:45] <valorie> I've left a query for kenny
[00:49] <valorie> so set up a doodle, which has 2 answers: Riddell and sitter
[00:50] <valorie> when I lost my data, I guess I lost my memory as well
[00:50] <valorie> doodle says: We'll meet Wed. morning the 29th for a half day. Then Thursday, either morning or afternoon.
[00:51] <valorie> last call folks, if you care
[00:54] <valorie> also, pizza and beer time
[02:48] <AndChat|675444> Hello
[02:50] <AndChat|675444> valorie: ping
[02:50] <valorie> pong?
[02:50] <AndChat|675444> valorie: I got past that bug
[02:51] <valorie> ah, this must be ahoneybun
[02:51] <AndChat|675444> Yeah it will not let me log in
[02:51] <valorie> what will not let you?
[02:51] <AndChat|675444> I'm logged in at home
[02:51] <AndChat|675444> I'm on my one plus one
[02:52] <valorie> you can link accounts I believe
[02:52] <valorie> a bit of rigmarole however
[02:52] <valorie> anyway, good to hear you got around it
[02:52] <AndChat|675444> Yes well you know it's me lol
[02:54] <AndChat|675444> I used fdisk to partition
[02:54] <valorie> sad that that was necessary
[02:54] <AndChat|675444> And then let the installer do the work 
[02:54] <valorie> I hope you will follow up on the bug report
[02:54] <AndChat|675444> Well I added comments
[02:55] <AndChat|675444> About what I did and what I think is the problem
[02:56] <valorie> cool
[02:56] <AndChat|675444> Yep hopefully it will get fixed soon 
[02:57] <AndChat|675444> Kde connect works very well 
[02:57] <valorie> I agree
[02:58] <valorie> <3 kdeconnect
[02:58] <valorie> so glad to have it back again
[02:58] <valorie> now I want to be able to reply to sms here on the laptop
[02:58] <AndChat|675444> Sweet 
[03:01] <AndChat|675444> It's cool
[03:01] <AndChat|675444> valorie: I restarted the trello board 
[03:02] <AndChat|675444> And I edited the docs some
[03:02] <valorie> yes, I saw that
[03:02] <valorie> I always read the backlog
[03:02] <AndChat|675444> That's cool that it says that
[03:02] <valorie> that's great, because I have zero time right now
[03:03] <AndChat|675444> I'll do want I can
[03:04] <AndChat|675444> I added some screenies,  edited text for what works now 
[03:04] <AndChat|675444> Rewrote somethings
[03:05] <valorie> if you run into any problems, please write an email to kubuntu-devel list
[03:05] <valorie> actually, once you have some pages done, please report those to the list
[03:06] <valorie> nothing gets enthusiasm going more than some work already done
[03:06] <AndChat|675444> valorie: I'll report once I have something 
[03:07] <valorie> cool
[03:07] <AndChat|675444> BTW I installed steam just fine
[03:08] <AndChat|675444> With no extra work but it might be from my previous Ubuntu install
[03:08] <AndChat|675444> I kept my home partition
[03:09] <valorie> yes, we should get a tester
[03:09] <valorie> I have no time for that, unfortunately
[03:09] <AndChat|675444> For steam?
[03:09] <valorie> for our install steam page
[03:09] <AndChat|675444> Oh yea
[03:10] <AndChat|675444> I might end up doing a clean install to try it out
[03:10] <AndChat|675444> BTW don't use driver manager yet 
[03:10] <AndChat|675444> It will broke your systen
[03:11] <valorie> is there a bug report for that>
[03:11] <valorie> ?
[03:11] <valorie> shadeslayer: ^^^
[03:11] <valorie> I don't want to hear about system-breaking things!
[03:13] <AndChat|675444> No 
[03:13] <AndChat|675444> valorie: when is akademy 
[03:13] <valorie> last week of july
[03:13] <valorie> look on the Dot, it's just been announced
[03:14] <AndChat|675444> Think Ubuntu would sponsor? 
[03:14] <AndChat|675444> Me I mean 
[03:14] <valorie> I forgot - did you get your membership?
[03:14] <AndChat|675444> Yea
[03:15] <valorie> then yes
[03:15] <AndChat|675444> valorie: sweet
[03:15] <AndChat|675444> I would Love to go
[03:15] <valorie> are you reading kubuntu-devel?
[03:15] <AndChat|675444> And helpout
[03:15] <AndChat|675444> I saw your post yea
[03:15] <valorie> I just asked again for feedback about our Kubuntu day
[03:15] <AndChat|675444> Email I mean
[03:15] <valorie> cool
[03:16] <AndChat|675444> Yep I want to go more events and help where I can 
[03:16] <AndChat|675444> BRB 2 hours,  watching a movie
[09:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:57] <alket> good morning
[09:57] <lordievader> Hey alket 
[11:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:31] <shadeslayer> would be nice to know what broke
[12:40] <soee> Riddell: "Experience the future with Plasma 5" ?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> not crazy about the future if that's the case, soee :) 
[12:43] <yofel> the vivid future? ^^
[12:45] <BluesKaj> looks not so vivid atm
[12:45] <soee> BluesKaj: propose anything you want :)
[12:45] <BluesKaj> altho it seems better than it was 2 days ago
[12:46] <BluesKaj> I miss my varied backgrounds on the the VDs
[12:46] <soee> ok i'm off for 4 hours
[12:46] <BluesKaj> oops
[12:48] <yofel> can't say I'm too impressed with p5 either though. At least its somewhat usable by now
[12:52] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's ok so far, but I'm hoping it has some features that are missing atm
[12:52] <BluesKaj> in the future
[12:57]  * yofel removes calligra*
[12:58] <yofel> Riddell: could you please look at the latest packaging bugs for calligra? calligrasheets is uninstallable and I don't really understand your splitting plan
[15:50] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: ping ahoneybun
[15:50] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help ping'
[15:50] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: help ping
[15:50] <kubotu> ping => replies with a pong
[15:57] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: You can set a /notify, then your client will notify you when someone comes online.
[16:12] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: freenode has a memoserv running if you want to use it
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> memoserv?
[16:14] <yofel> [MemoServ] MemoServ allows users to send memos to registered users.
[16:14] <yofel> hey'll get a notify when he comes online
[16:38] <mustafam> Hello everybody
[16:39] <mustafam> I am testing beta 1 and found some problems
[16:39] <mustafam> I wanted to ask about them here before reporting
[16:40] <mustafam> First, I use pppoe, but it is not working out of the box, I am almost sure that the newer NetworkManager requires pppoe binary
[16:40] <mustafam> previously it only needed ppp
[16:40] <mustafam> Is this known or should I report it?
[16:46] <ovidiu-florin> For everybodys information (FYI) I neget got PPPoE working throught he KDE GUI
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> I haven't tried on the latest 
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> on 15.04
[16:48] <mustafam> I always use it, from the connection use "Add DSL Connection"
[17:08] <Riddell> yofel: meh, I dont think anyone understands calligra's splitting plan :(
[17:20] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-Releases-PhysX-Source-Code-Free-on-GitHub-475158.shtml
[17:22] <yofel> seriously O.O
[17:32] <soee> in my hom dir i have some epty Snapshots folde - any idea to what app it belongs ?
[17:59] <Riddell> yofel: the main issue is filters and do they go into calligra-libs or into the app they're relevant for
[18:01] <yofel> did debian have some kind of pattern there? Otherwise I would have to ask upstream whether a filter is really only used by the application whose name it carries..
[18:02] <Riddell> yofel: I think debian is inconsistent too
[18:02] <yofel> :S
[18:02] <yofel> remove the file from -data for now I guess?
[18:03] <Riddell> yofel: they don't usually carry the name of the application
[18:03] <Riddell> looking in filters/ https://paste.kde.org/pfob5y7qo
[18:03] <yofel> well, this one does, but yeah
[18:03] <Riddell> there are some which are non-application specific and some which are app specific
[18:04] <Riddell> so I guess the packaging could follow that
[18:08] <alket> is kde 4.14.3 coming to 14.04 ?
[18:11] <Riddell> alket: we don't have the person-power for that I'm afraid
[18:11] <Riddell> all help appreciated of course
[18:11] <alket> I would help , but i don't know where to start
[18:11] <alket> and I assume it will take time to do that
[18:16] <Riddell> you'd start by learning to package
[18:16] <Riddell> then once you have one package mastered we have scripts to make the big releases manageable
[18:17] <alket> why not just get them from debian
[18:19] <Riddell> we do but debian and ubuntu aren't binary or source compatible so they need recompiled and rejigged
[18:33] <Riddell> soee: have you tried kdeconnect-kde ?
[18:35] <soee> Riddell: after todays update ?
[18:41] <Riddell> soee: yes, do you now have "kdeconnect" installed?
[18:41] <Riddell> and can you now open your device in dolphin and send files to your device?
[18:43] <Riddell> hi drawkward 
[18:44] <soee> Riddell: yes im running it since few days, do i have to reboot to test todays update ?
[18:48] <Riddell> soee: the change is that "kdeconnect" is back as well as "kdeconnect-plasma"
[18:48] <Riddell> soee: this means you should be able to open your device in dolphin and send files to it
[18:53] <soee> Riddell: yes i can browse Camera photos and All files directories, i can upload or download files to phone
[18:54] <soee> though if i open gallery on my phone, the photos list isn't updated 
[18:54] <soee> probably some cache on phone
[19:09] <Riddell> lovely
[19:09] <Riddell> thanks
[19:22] <Riddell> hmm, we don't really track packaging on trello, I wonder why not
[19:23] <soee> any progress with lo ions ?
[19:23] <soee> *icons
[19:24] <yofel> because we have a working way to track packaging that also works with the rest of ubuntu, so why change it?
[19:25] <Riddell> yofel: what's that?
[19:26] <Riddell> soee: lo icons?
[19:26] <yofel> Riddell: bugs?
[19:26] <soee> Riddell: libre office breeze icons
[19:26] <Riddell> soee: still on my todo list
[19:27] <Riddell> yofel: right, I just wonder if the big releases, frameworks, plasma and applications would fit better into trello items
[19:29] <yofel> Riddell: hm.... a while ago sitter did make deadline items on trello for those (didn't we have a seperate deadline board?) - maybe he gave up
[19:30] <yofel> yeah, seems like he gave up on the idea for vivid
[19:31] <Riddell> I might add them and see how it works
[19:31] <Riddell> d__ed: you're famous lwn.net/Articles/635781/
[19:34] <Riddell> hi KDDA 
[19:34] <KDDA> hi Riddell
[19:34] <KDDA> any craic?
[19:39] <Riddell> 267 unread e-mails, that's crack enough!
[19:41] <KDDA> popular man!
[19:41] <d__ed> Riddell: thanks! yeah, it's weird wasn't a particularly amazing article, and I'm mostly just leeching off some Qt work
[19:42] <Riddell> d__ed: aye but big difference to users :)
[19:44] <d__ed> only posh users
[19:55] <VolUTFan> Does anyone have an example I can look at of how to go about scripting auto creation of a empty panel and adding shortcuts to it for Plasma4.  I am Trying to streamline installation of workstation
[20:01] <Riddell> VolUTFan: plasma scripting is something that I always find confusing, javascript plus a fairly opaque api
[20:02] <Riddell> VolUTFan: examples in    dpkg -L kubuntu-settings-desktop | grep js
[20:02] <VolUTFan> Riddell: thanks, I will read that
[20:02] <Riddell> /usr/share/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma.desktop.defaultPanel/contents/layout.js
[20:02] <Riddell> /usr/share/plasma/shells/org.kde.plasma.desktop/contents/layout.js
[20:02] <Riddell> https://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting
[20:03] <VolUTFan> awesome
[20:03] <VolUTFan> thanks a bunch Riddell
[20:20] <Riddell> valorie: you're famous too :) http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/03/07/1811253/kde-accepted-to-google-summer-of-code-2015
[20:20] <Riddell> not sure why that's news to anyone but kde but always nice to make slashdot
[20:51] <KDDA> are there any Kubuntu applications that can stream to Chromecast?
[20:54] <Riddell> probably not unless it uses a standard protocol
[21:55] <valorie> very nice - would be cool to have some Murrican gsoc applicants
[21:56]  * alket hides
[21:56] <Quintasan> Hmm
[21:56] <Quintasan> It's either SoC or some kind of work for me
[21:56]  * Quintasan looks at projects
[22:00] <ahoneybun> hey all
[22:01] <Quintasan> Hi
[22:02] <ahoneybun> hey Quintasan
[22:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: propose a "fix kubuntu" project :)
[22:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: That would require at least 10 more people :D
[22:10] <Quintasan> >Project: Port Ubiquity to Qt 5
[22:11] <Quintasan> This means I have to learn python
[22:13] <Riddell> a very worthy things to do (and not hard)
[22:14] <Riddell> and also it's easy to do so it would leave several weeks to fix kubuntu
[22:22] <prth> Riddell, I'm interested in "Port Ubiquity to Qt 5". i sent u an email, could you please point me to the bugs I can solve for this project?
[22:26] <Riddell> hi prth 
[22:26] <Riddell> welcome to irc
[22:26] <prth> hi
[22:26] <Riddell> maybe bug 1429461 wouldn't be too hard
[22:26] <Riddell> or bug 1350855
[22:27] <prth> Riddell, cool, thanks
[22:28] <Riddell> hacking on an installer is difficult, be careful not to format your hard disk (use a usb drive maybe)
[22:28] <Riddell> this blog post should help http://agateau.com/2013/hacking-on-ubiquity-the-setup/
[22:30] <valorie> Quintasan: it would be lovely to have you as an applicant
[22:30] <prth> prth yeah i was afraid of that too. thanks :)
[22:32] <alket> is kde 4 in maintenance mode ?
[22:32] <alket> like only bug fixes ?
[22:32] <yofel> yes
[22:32] <alket> for how long ?
[22:37] <yofel> workspace (plasma 2) until August
[22:39] <yofel> applications... you have to use current I believe
[22:39] <yofel> Riddell: ^ ?
[22:52] <Riddell> yep