[00:05] <host127> .
[00:05] <keithzg> Are you running into issues, host127?
[00:06] <host127> I was blocked again on ubuntu
[00:06] <host127> I hate these aliens masked as ubuntu
[00:06] <keithzg> ...
[00:06] <host127> They will swallow my question forever.
[00:06] <keithzg> Anyways, for running executables, how is it not working for you?
[00:07] <host127> How to run mplayer from this site : http://portablelinuxapps.org in my pendrive?
[00:07] <keithzg> I would imagine that, as described, merely downloading the files and chmod'ing them to be executable (as the site says) would be sufficient.
[00:08] <host127> Chmoding them on pendrive? How? XD
[00:08] <keithzg> ...by running "chmod +x /media/username/pendrivename/filename"?
[00:09] <host127> If i run on ny homedir,  no problems.
[00:10] <host127> chmod 777 /media/my/disk/mplayer perrmission denied XD
[00:10] <keithzg> What filesystem do you have it formatted with?
[00:10] <host127> hmm chmod +x /media/my/disk/mplayer permission denied :O
[00:11] <host127> vfat
[00:12] <keithzg> Yeah that doesn't actually support setting executable bits.
[00:13] <host127> Oh no? You are sure? :O
[00:13] <host127> Why not?
[00:13] <host127> Pendrives with ext fs are too slow!
[00:13] <keithzg> Hasn't really been my experience, personally. Just disable the journal.
[00:14] <host127> I wont format to ext
[00:14] <keithzg> Well, you ain't gonna get it working with fat32.
[00:14] <host127> I want to set my pendrive in fat
[00:14] <host127> Buaaaah :(
[00:14] <keithzg> Microsoft wasn't exactly aiming for POSIX compliance :P
[00:15] <host127> Microsof? Or linux?
[00:15] <keithzg> Microsoft, when they created the filesystem in question.
[00:16] <keithzg> You can always just run it manually with "sh /path/to/executable"
[00:16] <host127> Oh!  But i know a man, that runs mplayer with umplayer in a pendrive vfat. Ha?
[00:17] <host127> But this man lives too far from me
[00:17] <keithzg> Point is just that you can't set it so that the filesystem reports it as executable. You can still manually invoke it.
[00:18] <host127> I tried to do sh -c path but is the same: permission denied
[00:18] <host127> Sh -c , sudo -e, oh nothing dobe! :(
[00:19] <host127> Bash -c , et -c...
[00:20] <keithzg> What are your mount options?
[00:20] <host127> None.  Defaults mtab manifests.
[00:21] <keithzg> You sure that's how it's mounted? Betcha it's mounted with more options than that. Betcha it's mounted with showexec!
[00:21] <keithzg> What's the line for it reported by the mount command?
[00:23] <host127> Hmmm nosuid,nodev,gid=999,userid=999,flush,udisk-helper=1,utf-8=1,showexec, 0 0
[00:24] <keithzg> I believe 'showexec' is the culprit.
[00:24] <host127> Okey i will try exec. :D
[00:25] <host127> Oh it is working  but, i am not able to delete or create or edit files on disk. Why?
[00:25] <host127> Should i have to switch exec agaib?
[00:25] <keithzg> What exactly did you do?
[00:26] <host127> I done th same line swtched to exec instead showexec
[00:26] <host127> Its working like cdr filesystem
[00:27] <host127> How to recover the read write again?
[00:27] <keithzg> You sure that was the entire line? For example on my machine it looks more like "rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,flush,uhelper=udisks2"
[00:27] <keithzg> Note the "rw" at the start!
[00:28] <host127> Yes shortname=mixed,rw, i only  showed to you the most important of line
[00:29] <host127> When i switched to exec, it says rw to on mtab, but if try to edit files : permission denied
[00:29] <keithzg> What do the permissions actually look like, then?
[00:30] <host127> None. Its running the mplayer normally, but the pendrive is uneditable
[00:31] <keithzg> No, I mean literally what do the permissions *look* like? Ex. on my current pendrive I can see "-rw-r--r-- 1 keithzg keithzg    18693 Jan 31 19:54 COPYING.linux"
[00:31] <host127> If i switch to showexec agains, the mplayer won'run and my pendrive is rw again
[00:32] <host127> The permissions looks like blocked
[00:32] <host127> None
[00:32] <keithzg> And what's the exact line you used to mount?
[00:33] <host127> The same line that comes in default mtab manifest with switched showexec to exec option
[00:34] <keithzg> And your uid/gid is indeed 999?
[00:34] <host127> Yes
[00:34] <host127> Sometimes its 1000
[00:34] <keithzg> ...
[00:34] <host127> Live usb shows 999
[00:34] <keithzg> No, I mean your user themself.
[00:35] <keithzg> *you* user id and group id.
[00:35] <host127> 999
[00:35] <keithzg> *your*, I mean
[00:35] <host127> 999
[00:35] <keithzg> Really does seem like it should be working then. To satisfy my curiosity could you please paste in the command you're using to remount the drive?
[00:38] <host127> No necessary to paste, create a backup of your /etc/fstab an delete your /etc/fstab , after this, mount any usb disk on yor pc and open your mtab, my line is your mtab line with only "showexec" switched to "exec"
[00:42] <host127> When i open my pendrive in dolphin su mode, i am able to edit the files
[00:42] <host127> But if i am not root, the files on pendrive are like cdr fs
[00:43] <host127> I discovered this fact when i tried to run tor
[00:43] <host127> Because tor have static profiles
[00:44] <host127> After this ridiculous mount, i tried anither switches
[00:44] <host127> ...
[00:47] <keithzg> *shrug* hard to help you if you don't help me help you. Anyways, you can solve this in mere moments if you format it with ext*, btrfs, etc etc, so it's up to you.
[00:48] <host127> Tsc tsc.
[00:49] <host127> You don't know or don't want to explain the true.
[00:49] <keithzg> As the kids used to say, lolz
[00:49] <keithzg> Also, it's "tsk tsk", for the record.
[00:49] <host127> Tor won't run with root copied files in a vfat filesystem
[00:50] <host127> They alerts this at start
[00:50] <host127> I have to transfer tor bundle to usb disk, like user files, after this, i am able to run tor with root or non root mode.
[00:51] <host127> If i transfer rooted files, why i have to believe that fat have not posix compliance?
[00:52] <keithzg> You're conflating issues.
[00:53] <host127> The first proof is explained: if rooted files tranfered to usb won't execute its because these files cane with root permission
[00:54] <host127> The first proof is explained: if rooted files tranfered to usb won't execute its because these files came with root permission
[00:54]  * keithzg goes off to make some tea
[00:59] <host127> Now following the logic, if rooted file transfers, is not affexmcted in posix mounts, on where i have to edit to mount my pendrive to set permissions lik windows do?
[01:00] <host127> Now following the logic, if rooted file transfers, are not affected in posix mounts, on where i have to edit to mount my pendrive to set permissions lik windows do?
[01:00] <host127> 7 years asking this and the same seven years linux won't answer
[01:02] <host127> The din't want answer that they are forbidding permissions, fooling all the world saying that posix complicance don't permits vfat file edition.
[01:02] <host127> Theu din't want answer that they are forbidding permissions, fooling all the world saying that posix complicance don't permits vfat file edition.
[01:02] <host127> They din't want answer that they are forbidding permissions, fooling all the world saying that posix complicance don't permits vfat file edition.
[01:05] <host127> The linux or someone else will never assume that their are forbidding vfat files edition intentionally, thus is why i wasted seven years asking this.
[01:06] <host127> I asked all this upon cited to you with the answer done my diar! :D
[01:07] <host127> Now i am really mounting my usb fat disks like wi dows they like or not.
[01:07] <host127> They like or not. My disk, is not linux part, is MINE!
[01:08] <host127> If someone wants to know how i done this, will have to proof me that he or she is not ububtu or linux slave.
[01:09] <host127> Ubuntuers and linuxers now, will swallow maiself foreverrr.
[01:10] <keithzg> I'm jealous, clearly you've already started your weekend in earnest, I'm still stuck at work.
[01:23] <lordars> hi kubuntu espanhol?
[01:24] <krytarik> !es | lordars
[01:25] <lordars> tanks
[02:22] <mustang_> lordievader: welp, I can say I wont be using relinux again.  It blew my system up.  I couldnt even login as myself.  it wiped ever user account out on the system except guest LOL.  Price of testing I suppose.  Rebuilding again
[02:23] <mustang_> 2 questions.  My single quotation button and double quote button isnt working again.  I found US international 101 with dead keys before in system settings, but cant seem to find it now on fresh load. any ideas?
[02:24] <mustang_> the other is..  I am reinstalling my apache2 with simlinks pointing to my already downloaded repos on USB Ext4.  What was the command from the terminal again to login as www-data so I can browse to that physical directory
[02:27] <mustang_> ok, i figured that part out
[02:27] <mustang_> su -s www-data /bin/bash
[03:12] <brandon_> what is this
[03:14] <valorie> ?
[03:37] <adept> hi, I'm having issues with my networks manager not recognizing wifi
[03:38] <valorie> what version of kubuntu are you using, adept?
[03:38] <adept> netrunner 15
[03:39] <valorie> ah, I'm not sure about their support chans
[03:39] <adept> prometheus 64bit
[03:39] <adept> I dont see it on their site
[03:39] <valorie> there is #netrunner
[03:40] <adept> on freenode?
[03:40] <valorie> yes, looks empty though
[03:40] <valorie> I've never used it so can offer no help
[03:40] <adept> I'm there:)
[03:41] <valorie> best of luck
[03:41] <adept> It's a moded kubuntu
[03:41] <valorie> yes, I know
[03:42] <valorie> I had wifi problems in kubuntu, but it turned out to me a flaky wireless card
[03:42] <valorie> :(
[03:42] <valorie> software is easier than fixing that in a laptop
[03:42] <adept> the networks bar has the wifi option greyed out but the checkbox for airplane mode works
[03:42] <adept> I think the card is fine on this
[03:43] <adept> very standard
[03:46] <valorie> well, there is a terrible old cli application I used to get wifi working one time
[03:46] <valorie> called nmcli
[03:46] <adept> thinkpad x200
[03:46] <adept> I figured it out from a thinkpad site
[03:46] <adept> you were correct
[03:46] <adept> it was like caveman computer repair
[03:46] <adept> toggle a switch until it works
[03:46] <adept> I'm connected on wifi now
[03:46] <unopaste> adept you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[05:07] <VolUTFan> lordievader: Well, I am proud of myself.  As always, I didn't Half-@$$ it.  I blew this box up.  Having to rebuild it LOL
[05:07] <VolUTFan> lordievader: I can say, I am going to take the long way around next time, Re-Linux package is way too far behind.
[05:11] <VolUTFan> I am having the same problem with my www-data not following the simlinks through the webpage.  Do you remember off hand how we finally got it working?  terminal works, dolphin browsing works (just like before) www-data account is not locked out from password attempts.  Physical directories have permissions to my user account and rwx to users. I also added the entry from apache2.conf for /var/www settings to the 000-default.conf
[05:11] <VolUTFan> located in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and recycled the apache2 service.  simlinks are not showing under the directories in 127.0.0.1 (Just like before)
[05:13] <VolUTFan> i also tried adding the www-data user group to the physical directory permissions and that didn't work either
[05:16] <VolUTFan> its for apache2
[08:31] <forgeaus> uh any recommendations where to install cdesktop (as in CDE not the CDE package, Common Desktop Environment cde) to? ... should it be somewhere like /opt/local or /usr/share like KDE4?
[08:32] <forgeaus> the instruction says: sudo ./installCDE -s /path/to/cdesktopenv-code/cde/
[08:33] <forgeaus> where /path/to/cdesktopenv-code/ is meant to be replaced by wherever to put CDE I think...
[08:41] <valorie> forgeaus: doesn't really sound like a kubuntu question
[08:41] <valorie> !info cde
[08:42] <valorie> OK, I'm wrong
[08:43] <forgeaus> yup your wrong
[08:43] <forgeaus> I alrady said that I think anyway...
[08:43] <valorie> I assume man cde will give you more info however
[08:43] <forgeaus> uh man? no thats a different CDE your talking about anyway
[08:43] <forgeaus> its a package of something called cde but its not the Common Desktop Environment cde...
[08:44] <forgeaus> so I had to build it from source
[08:44] <forgeaus> http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/LinuxBuild/ following these instructions
[08:44] <valorie> in other words, not really a kubuntu question
[08:45] <valorie> so perhaps ask in a linux chan
[08:45] <forgeaus> uh kubuntu specifically I guess not when you put it that way
[08:46] <valorie> I think there is #linux and ##linux
[08:46] <forgeaus> but kubuntu is a distro of linux so its relevant... since any Unix and or unix Derivative would be the same in this respect afaik...
[08:46] <valorie> not sure what the diff is
[08:46] <valorie> exactly
[08:46] <valorie> we support what is specific to kubuntu
[08:46] <valorie> as #kde does what is specific to KDE
[08:46] <valorie> etc.
[08:46] <valorie> perhaps alis can help
[08:46] <valorie> !alis
[08:47] <forgeaus> you mean alias? thats if you alraedy have a package thats from another distro
[08:47] <forgeaus> this isn't a package its just source code that I'm building
[08:48] <forgeaus> think of it as pre-packaged (by that I mean BEFORE packaging)
[08:48] <valorie> alis is a search engine for freenode
[08:48] <valorie> I understand how to build from source
[08:48] <valorie> I build and test amarok from source
[08:49] <valorie> this channel is for kubuntu questions
[09:01] <forgeaus> oh ok thx
[09:02] <keithzg> forgeaus: honestly, with unpackaged software my main quasi-kubuntu related suggestion would be to use checkinstall
[09:02] <keithzg> Since that way you can handle removing it afterwards, or replacing it when you decide to compile it differently or such, using package management.
[09:03] <keithzg> (checkinstall basically replaces the "make install" step of a manual compile and instead packages up and installs a .DEB, well, at least in the Kubuntu scenario, I think it can also do RPMs and such)
[09:04] <keithzg> And then if wherever you *do* decide to install it to turns out to be a mistake, you can cleanly fix your mistake without worries :)
[09:04] <forgeaus> well using Kubuntu I don't want to look at .rpm's and .tgz's etc...
[09:05] <keithzg> forgeaus: Yeah, if you're running Kubuntu, when you run checkinstall it'll automatically create a .DEB and install it, just like any standard package.
[09:05] <forgeaus> oh so checkinstall builds a package out of an install?
[09:05] <forgeaus> wow
[09:06] <keithzg> Yup, it's VERY handy.
[09:06] <forgeaus> except I'm not so certain this thing uses a standard installation procedure
[09:06] <keithzg> Yeah that might make things tricky.
[09:06] <forgeaus> theres no make and confiture etc...
[09:06] <forgeaus> grr configure
[09:07] <forgeaus> install of simply make the command was make World ... and tehre isn't a make install  I'm still looking if theres configure or not
[09:09] <keithzg> Looks like it's installed using a script of theirs, according to http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/LinuxBuild/. Weird. Well, best of luck :D
[09:09] <forgeaus> yeah thats what I'm using
[09:09] <forgeaus> theres the instructions for doing it
[09:09] <forgeaus> like I said kinda non-standard
[09:10] <forgeaus> but it was working up untill the install command so far
[09:11] <forgeaus> I think I should just wait until it gets a package
[09:11] <forgeaus> all this manual stuff is too scarey for me :)
[09:12] <keithzg> heh
[09:12] <forgeaus> I'm used to making typos and stuff
[09:12] <forgeaus> so when installing/programming that kinda stuff really matters sometimes
[09:12] <keithzg> Well, you could always just fire up a virtual machine and install it in there, or create a chroot and do the same (although if you're aren't used to fiddling in the terminal, using something like VirtualBox might be a smoother experience)
[09:13] <forgeaus> I got virtualbox
[09:13] <forgeaus> I think I need a BSD or something in there to try this thing
[09:13] <forgeaus> way back when KDE was 3.x PC-BSD was kinda nice...
[09:13] <forgeaus> didn't know much about it so didn't use it a whole lot but seemed to work well enough
[09:17] <keithzg> If you're got VirtualBox set up you could try a live CD image, ostensibly this is one: https://andarazoroflove.org/code/index.php?dir=CDEbian%2F&download=CDEbian-0.8.x86.iso
[09:19] <keithzg> Haven't tried it myself, no warranty expressed or implied, not responsible if household pets go missing under mysterious circumstances, etc etc ;)
[09:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:56] <lordievader> VolUTFan: Hmm, how nasty. Though root still existed ;)
[10:26] <forgeaus> keithzg:  if your still there, I have found, not that I recommend doing it, but most binary only tgz (slackware) packages *can* install into Kubuntu no problem, however your base package manager (like apt/dpkg/Muon, etc) probably doesn't know about them ... its not a good idea to do really...
[10:27] <forgeaus> not much of a problem for a simple userland app, but for other more complicated stuff or packages with some source or system altering config, it makes a difference...
[10:28] <Anoniem4l> is it possible to write Kubuntu on a NTFS USB stick and make it bootable? as in make it work?
[10:28] <Anoniem4l> because I am trying and it seems that's not possible
[10:29] <forgeaus> Anoniem4l: yes ...
[10:29] <Anoniem4l> forgeaus: you sure? have you done it yourself?
[10:29] <forgeaus> depending on your system  I guess but check out unetbootin? I think its called
[10:29] <forgeaus> unless tehres something newer and better, and it might depend on your bios/cmos abilities
[10:29] <Anoniem4l> I had to dig up a special version of unetbootin to make it possible writing on a NTFS in the first place
[10:29] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Formatting as fat32 ain't an option?
[10:29] <forgeaus> but it SHOULD be possible
[10:30] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: no, my motherboard is mad
[10:30] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: What does your motherboard have to do with it?
[10:30] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: I have no idea, but my motherboard only boots NTFS USBs
[10:30] <forgeaus> well it might be a quirk of your bios but unetbootin CAN and does work for many systems...
[10:31] <forgeaus> I've used it before successfully
[10:31] <Anoniem4l> perhaps the case is BIOS indeed, but still what am I supposed to do now
[10:31] <forgeaus> does your bios let you set USB as a boot order device?
[10:32] <Anoniem4l> I am currently reforming the USB's partitionnd then will try to "burn" the USB again
[10:32] <Anoniem4l> forgeaus: of course it does.
[10:32] <forgeaus> well then it should work
[10:32] <Anoniem4l> reformating* partition and*
[10:32] <forgeaus> the installer for your OS is the next trick does that see the USB as a device?
[10:33] <Anoniem4l> yes the USB is being read by the motherboard/system on the boot-up screen
[10:33] <Anoniem4l> I can see it before the PCI Devices listing pops
[10:33] <forgeaus> why worry about unetbootin or anything if you simply install your OS to the USB it probably has an MBR (or GUID) if its formatted which should make it bootable, technically
[10:34] <Anoniem4l> I also used $ dd on the USB (rendering it with no filesystem at all) and it didn't work
[10:34] <forgeaus> ok but the INSTALLER for your OS does that see the USB device as a location to install to?
[10:34] <Anoniem4l> forgeaus: I am sorry I don't understand what you imply, the USB is tested on my laptop each time before I attempt on my desktop (I am talking to you from my laptop)
[10:34] <forgeaus> formatting it beforehand can help expecially something like gparted or partition magic even macOS's disk utility is a good way of doing that
[10:35] <forgeaus> getting a formatted disk (some may be restricted in the partition types, etc though)
[10:35] <Anoniem4l> forgeaus: yeah, all linux distros have their own MBR thing or whatever it is called, meaning you can boot up with no filesystem at all
[10:35] <Anoniem4l> but that didn't work.
[10:35] <forgeaus> and they should put an MBR on the USB for you so you'd think technically it would read that first... but being a laptop I don't know if it has some block to doing that
[10:36] <Anoniem4l> forgeaus: laptop works fine, desktop is the problem.
[10:36] <forgeaus> I have had some trouble wiht notebooks and their lack of particular capabilities in the past
[10:36] <forgeaus> oh well desktop should be even easier, in general...
[10:36] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Do you have a fat32 formatted live-disc by hand?
[10:36] <lordievader> Also is the desktop uefi?
[10:37] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: no it's not UEFI IIRC, also no I don't have a live-disc
[10:37] <Anoniem4l> although the motherboard/BIOS is 7 years old, I remember installing windows from a USB as NTFS successfully....
[10:38] <forgeaus> it can work...
[10:38] <forgeaus> but specific hardware sometimes had quirks
[10:38] <forgeaus> grr has
[10:38] <lordievader> Hmm, wanted to see if the bootflag was set. That it boots NTFS but not FAT is very strange. You'd think it would be the otherway around.
[10:38] <Anoniem4l> should I "burn" the USB to /dev/sdb or to the partition /dev/sdb1?
[10:38] <forgeaus> and I have no idea what they do with new stuff so they may have grown past that or purposely messed with it
[10:39] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: it booted but it popped "BOOTMGR is missing"
[10:39] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: What motherbord make + model?
[10:39] <Anoniem4l> one sec
[10:39] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Whoo, that is some windows thing...
[10:39] <forgeaus> yup BootMGR is vista and onwards boot manager
[10:39] <forgeaus> before that was NTLDR
[10:39] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: Intel G965 BIOS for 965GM-S2 F8F
[10:40] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Wipe the entire stick, including the partition table.
[10:40] <forgeaus> he did say NTFS (meaning most likely a WINDOWS operating system)
[10:40] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: alright, should I create a partition afterwards?
[10:40] <Anoniem4l> also I am trying to install Kubuntu with this USB on my desktop
[10:41] <forgeaus> Anoniem4l:  you might find it easier to use a liveCD than USB
[10:41] <forgeaus> especially if your having boot issues from the USB
[10:41] <Anoniem4l> i have none available and it has been raining as hell from yesterday till now
[10:41] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Yes.
[10:41] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: I just finished this command: # mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdb1
[10:41] <Anoniem4l> is not sufficient?
[10:42] <forgeaus> wait if your trying to boot linux why are you using NTFS?
[10:42] <forgeaus> I don't think that works
[10:42] <Anoniem4l> because I have tried everything and it doesn't work
[10:42] <Anoniem4l> and in the first place that was my question, thus channel #Kubuntu
[10:42] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: No.
[10:42] <forgeaus> well linux doesn't have ntfs in its kernel
[10:43] <Anoniem4l> NTFS + Kubuntu = doesn't work?
[10:43] <forgeaus> it can't boot into an NTFS partition afaik
[10:43] <Anoniem4l> gg
[10:43] <forgeaus> you need ext3 (or better ext4)
[10:43] <forgeaus> or fat32
[10:43] <Anoniem4l> FAT32 didn't work
[10:43] <forgeaus> ok
[10:43] <Anoniem4l> raw with `dd` didn't work
[10:43] <forgeaus> try ext3
[10:43] <forgeaus> I don' tknow about raw
[10:43] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: That only creates a filesystem. First you want to remove the partition table. Or to be entirely safe write a bunch of zeros to the disk.
[10:43] <forgeaus> never tried linux on raw before
[10:44] <forgeaus> use a partition manager to set up the disk with a partition (which should also give it an mbr or if you prefer GUID instead)
[10:45] <lordievader> I'd first wipe the entire thing. Creating a new partition table doesn't actualy delete/zero data.
[10:46] <forgeaus> lordievader:  you don't need to wipe the data though do you necessarily?
[10:46] <Anoniem4l> # mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdb1
[10:46] <Anoniem4l> Cluster size has been automatically set to 4096 bytes.
[10:46] <Anoniem4l> Initializing device with zeroes: 100% - Done.
[10:46] <Anoniem4l> I think that fills up the zero part..
[10:46] <forgeaus> NTFS isn't the type of system you want for kubuntu if kubuntu is the OS you want
[10:47] <forgeaus> unless you use a hardfile like wubi
[10:47] <Anoniem4l> we're talking about the USB drive not the harddisk...
[10:47] <forgeaus> yes I'm treadting the USB as a hard disk because thats essentially how we want to use it
[10:47] <Anoniem4l> true
[10:48] <forgeaus> I'm not sure how wubi loads linux from its hardfile its kinda like a virtual machine
[10:48] <lordievader> forgeaus: You do, else you might still get those strange BootMGR errors.
[10:48] <forgeaus> thats on NTFS...
[10:48] <forgeaus> BOOTMGR yeah it is in the MBR that bit...
[10:48] <forgeaus> but if you delete the partitions and create a new one it should reset the MBR shouldn't it?
[10:49] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: That mkfs command only zeros out that partition, you are interested in wiping the entire disk not just the partition.
[10:49] <forgeaus> I don't know much about the mkfs command to be honest
[10:49] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: what's the most efficient CLI based procedure to accomplish that?
[10:49] <forgeaus> yes its the MBR or GUID partition that matters in this case
[10:49] <forgeaus> because thats what it reads first when its a bootable device
[10:50] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: dd, or to be precise: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX
[10:50] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: should I define bs= and count= parameters?
[10:50] <lordievader> Meh, the defaults are fine. But do make sure you have the usb stick selected.
[10:51] <Anoniem4l> alright, it's running
[10:51] <lordievader> On the disk, not one of the partitions?
[10:52] <Anoniem4l>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:52] <Anoniem4l> /dev/sdb1   *        2048     7897087     3947520   83  Linux
[10:52] <Anoniem4l> niemal@tromos:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
[10:52] <lordievader> Check.
[10:52] <lordievader> !paste
[10:55] <forgeaus> wubi boots to grub4dos and it loads a hardfile and treats the file as an EXT partition of some kind from memory, I'm not entirely sure how to set that up
[10:55] <forgeaus> but I can't see that kubuntu can otherwise boot from an NTFS formatted disk because its not a native filesystem to the linux kernel...
[10:55] <forgeaus> unless thats changed...
[10:56] <Anoniem4l> fair point, since FAT didn't work what should I roll with?
[10:58] <forgeaus> Anoniem4l: how did you try it when you had the FAT  system?
[10:58] <kurahaupo> forgeaus: who's making the ntfs usb drive
[10:58] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: me
[10:59] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: what is your objective in selecting ntfs?
[10:59] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: I reckon my motherboard/BIOS working with NTFS booting
[11:00] <Anoniem4l> thing is, I have tried: FAT32, raw with `dd` with the built-in boot loader
[11:00] <Anoniem4l> and both didn't work
[11:00] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: if the bios is "secureboot" then the problem is the lack of a signature, not the fs
[11:01] <Anoniem4l> one moment, let me take a picture of the BIOS setup
[11:01] <forgeaus> if it helps: <Anoniem4l> lordievader: Intel G965 BIOS for 965GM-S2 F8F he said earlier
[11:02] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: well how old is the device?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:02] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: 7 years old, one sec I am taking a couple of pictures
[11:02] <forgeaus> hey BluesKaj :)
[11:03] <forgeaus> been a while since I was on here :)
[11:03] <BluesKaj> hey forgeaus
[11:03] <forgeaus> of course I only come here when I'm trying to do something I'm not supposed to be able to do anyway lol
[11:04] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: it won't be secureboot then
[11:05] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: but you may have problems with the bios ordering the devices differently from the initial kernel, so that the device names don't match up
[11:06] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: are you creating the usb stick on the same host you're trying to boot from it?
[11:08] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: no, I got a laptop with debian beside my desktop which I am using to set up my USB
[11:08] <Anoniem4l> also the images are uploading atm
[11:08] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: http://imgur.com/nCOkvuE,ZAI1X7D
[11:11] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: that looks typical of a bios from the late 1990's, so yes device ordering might be a problem
[11:11] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: are you using grub2 as the loader?
[11:12] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: yeah but it's currently broken because I removed a couple of partitions
[11:13] <forgeaus> ahh device ordering explains the BOOTMGR issue
[11:13] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: if you put an ext4 fs on the usb drive, how far does the grub loader get?
[11:14] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: I haven't tried ext4, also: http://i.imgur.com/GOMcsGO.jpg
[11:15] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: thanks, but it's the numbering order of the devices which matters, not the boot order
[11:16] <Anoniem4l> oh my, pressing enter on the first option lists the devices (e.g. my hard disk)
[11:16] <kurahaupo> (you very likely can't see that in the BIOS setup screens)
[11:17] <Anoniem4l> it could work
[11:17] <Anoniem4l> should I make a partition on the USB and then format it to FAT32 or just bluntly format it to FAT32?
[11:18] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: don't waste too much time, borrow a live CD instead if you can't get it working
[11:18] <forgeaus> ext4 is better (or even ext3)
[11:19] <forgeaus> kubuntu will definitely boot from that
[11:19] <BluesKaj> fat32 for a usb stick is best , even for linux images
[11:19] <forgeaus> really? oh ok
[11:19] <forgeaus> my bad...
[11:19] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: with a partition may works better, but it usually doesn't matter
[11:19] <BluesKaj> a partition isn't necessary
[11:19] <kurahaupo> All my sticks are ext4...
[11:20] <forgeaus> BluesKaj: Linux doesn't boot from NTFS does it? ... the only way you can do that is through grub4dos how WUBI does it I guess...
[11:20] <kurahaupo> (it stops people putting them in windows machines and meddling with them - that's a feature not a bug)
[11:20] <forgeaus> (which makes a hardfile that is formatted internally as some kind of EXT )
[11:21] <BluesKaj> best to use dd to copy an image in my experience , unetbootin and disk creator are buggy or slow
[11:22] <kurahaupo> do use a usb ssd image; a cd image won't work on an older machine
[11:23] <kurahaupo> (a cd image on a usb ssd I mean)
[11:25] <BluesKaj> kurahaupo, never tried that
[11:26] <Anoniem4l> alright thank you guys, I think it will work now, although it's a weird thing USB-HDD has nothing to do with booting the USB
[11:26] <BluesKaj> < old school, still use smaller usbs sticks and cd/dvd media
[11:28] <kurahaupo> I have a handful of sticks that have 100kB of gpg keys and lots of empty space
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, if possible use estata to sata connections for outboard hdds...usbs are slow
[11:29] <kurahaupo> BluesKaj: except Anoniem4l just has a regular usb stick aka usb ssd
[11:30] <BluesKaj> ssds are usually larger capacity alright, understood
[11:32] <BluesKaj> plannining on installing one on my laptop as the main drive, but waiting for a "deal" :)
[11:32] <BluesKaj> err planning
[11:33] <kurahaupo> BluesKaj: just stick 8 32-gig sticks on a usb hub, run linux md raid
[11:35] <BluesKaj> not very portable ...gonna use the wxisting 1 TB HDD from the laptop as a backup drive, kurahaupo
[11:35] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: glad your problem is sorted ...
[11:36] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: yeah let me see if it is indeed sorted
[11:37] <BluesKaj> my other outboard backup hdd failed after only 3 yrs :)
[11:37] <BluesKaj> err ;/
[11:37] <kurahaupo> BluesKaj: but it does save you buying a caddy for the existing drive
[11:38] <BluesKaj> thought WDs were decent quality
[11:39] <BluesKaj> I have a 2.5" caddy
[11:39] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: yeah it boots the USB now, although a weird message popped now "SYSLINUX 3.85 20...copyright...\n No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!\nboot: "
[11:40] <Anoniem4l> USB is FAT32 and I used unetbootin o_O
[11:42] <Anoniem4l> I will just use `dd` to write the .iso, anyway, that'll work
[11:45] <BluesKaj> yes , and use bs=1M  as block size
[11:56] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: That is a better error to get ;)
[11:56] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: You could try the ubuntu usb-creator.
[11:56] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: yeah, thanks for the bs=1M, made it faster by alot, also lordievader indeed, everything works now
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, good  :)
[11:57] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Good to hear :)
[11:57] <lordievader> With fat I presume?
[11:57] <Anoniem4l> nope, raw `dd`
[11:58] <lordievader> Fair enough.
[11:58] <Anoniem4l> yeah, glad it works like a charm now ^^
[12:18] <kurahaupo> Anoniem4l: ciao
[12:18] <Anoniem4l> kurahaupo: good day friend :)
[12:18] <Anoniem4l> thanks again
[13:22] <Anoniem4l> hello once again :p, could somebody point me to the correct installation "walk-through" for ATI/AMD driver installation?
[13:23] <Anoniem4l> I tried $ sudo apt-get install fglrx but this came up http://pastebin.com/KMgRkcwv and I don
[13:23] <Anoniem4l> - I don't want to break anything
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, have you done a dist-upgrade lately, it might bring in some upgrades that the dependencies need for the fglrx driver
[13:45] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: I just installed the iso I downloaded yesterday
[13:45] <Anoniem4l> also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2266268
[13:46] <Anoniem4l> I will do that dist-upgrade now though
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, whenever installing from an iso it's good to update/upgrade and distupgrade, sometimes the images aren't as current as they should be.
[13:48] <Anoniem4l> yeah it's just the iso was as fresh as it could be
[13:49] <Anoniem4l> let me see if the dist-upgrade will do the job (I already update/upgrade'd)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:54] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: nope, I rebooted still the same.
[13:54] <Anoniem4l> my primary concern is that I can't have dual monitors
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, ok, which gpu is it?
[14:03] <Anoniem4l> AMD Radeon 4850 HD
[14:03] <Anoniem4l> @ BluesKaj
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, odd, that's a very popular gpu, surprising that you have dependency problems with that one, are you certain the fglrx driver the correct one?
[14:09] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: no I am not sure at all, but in my previous search I managed to break the system so I am being really cautious
[14:09] <Anoniem4l> (IIRC i downloaded the driver from AMD's website)
[14:11] <BluesKaj> ahhh, ok that may not work , proprietaries aren't usually recommended ..did you look in the driver manager in system settings for it?
[14:13] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: it's empty
[14:13] <Anoniem4l> I tried to refresh the driver list, nothing popped :(
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, ok , open a terminal and run sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
[14:21] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/KMNg20wl
[14:24] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy xorg-video-abi-15'?
[14:25] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: xorg-video-abi-15:\n Installed: (none)\n Candidate: (none)\n Version table:
[14:26] <lordievader> !info xorg-video-abi-15
[14:26] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: What version of kubuntu do you use? And could you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy fglrx'?
[14:28] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/BXTfLaF4
[14:29] <lordievader> !info fglrx trusty
[14:32] <lordievader> Well, ain't that fun. A dependency on a package that doesn't exist.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-glamoregl , then the xserver-xorg-core, and finally xorg-video-abi-15 , sometimes working from the last required dependency to the fist in the list works to fulfill the requirement
[14:33] <lordievader> Ah xorg-video-abi-15: virtual package provided by xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-core-udeb
[14:34] <Anoniem4l> installing xserver-xorg-video-glamoregl now
[14:34] <lordievader> So you can skip the glamorgl, but install xorg-core.
[14:34] <lordievader> Also see: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/misc/fglrx
[14:34] <BluesKaj> odd that the xorg-core isn't installed by defsault
[14:35] <lordievader> Very strange indeed.
[14:36] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj, lordievader: installing xserver-xorg-video-glamoregl installed xserver-xorg-core and xorg-video-abi-15
[14:37] <Anoniem4l> finally I am installing fglrx, nice
[14:37] <Anoniem4l> what I am concerned is the dual monitors though, I hope this fixes it
[14:39] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: The radeon driver supports multiple monitors just fine. Running three monitors here with the radeon driver.
[14:41] <BluesKaj> been a while since I ran ati/amd graphics ...nvidias have worked well here for the last 7 yrs
[15:05] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj, lordievader: unfortunately the system is broken once again :(, here's what happened: after installing fglrx and fglrx-updates I typed $ sudo reboot (from the same shell I used to install everything) and it froze on a black screen. I manually rebooted and then this series of events occurred: http://imgur.com/p2D5kGq,Chuvj4Q,h6U1xS3#0
[15:05] <Anoniem4l> upon booting the previous kernel I got (before I did dist-upgrade), the second monitor works fine (without that yellow gibberish) for a couple of seconds and then it breaks
[15:06] <pc_> hi
[15:10] <MoonUnit`> weird closing glxgears window in plasma5 kills window decorations.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, this my opinion of 14.04 is not very favourable ..my experience was that I couldn't wait to upgrade to 14.10 ...too many bugs, others may dispute my experience because theirs was more positive, but fwiw mine was very poor
[15:16] <mparillo> sgclark: I see you commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1354924
[15:16] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: what do you suggest to install then? any links if possible?
[15:17] <mparillo> sgclark: I am noticing it on Vivid Beta-1. Do you recomment the Steve Riley work-around? https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?66702-NetworkManagement-widget-not-connecting-to-wifi-automatically&p=361413
[15:18] <mparillo> I am afraid that upstream will close https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344600 as an *buntu only issue.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, afaik the fglrx driver is supported and supposed to work on 14.04 .maybe it will be better on 14.10.  That's a rather drastic suggestion , but that's all I can think of atm
[15:22] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: alright, upgrading to 14.10 atm, will see how it goes
[15:22] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release -a ?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:26] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade ...hmm my desktop froze for a minute...too much going on here
[15:28]  * BluesKaj transfers media files from another pc, using up a lot of RAM atm
[15:33] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Why not use the radeon driver?
[15:34] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: because that thing broken my kernel in the past as well
[15:34] <Anoniem4l> s/broken/broke
[15:35] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Does a live-usb work?
[15:35] <lordievader> ^ uses radeon ;)
[15:35] <Anoniem4l> not sure what you mean by that
[15:36] <lordievader> Well, if the live-usb works, radeon works. Since the live-usb uses the radeon driver if it detects a radeon card.
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, a live cd or usb with OS
[15:39] <Anoniem4l> is there an official live USB .iso?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, it's the same one you use to install the OS from
[15:40] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: so I click "Try Kubuntu" instead of "Install Kubuntu"?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:46] <Anoniem4l> will try that out as soon as I see how 14.10 works out for me
[15:46] <Anoniem4l> it's still installing the upgrades
[15:46] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: It wasn't really an instruction for you to try it out, it was just to illustrate that the radeon driver ~usually works.
[16:12] <campbell> #dvd-rips
[16:16] <Azuu> lately we have a problem when 2 users are signed in and one has locked the scree (no apps running) his kwin session starts to suck up CPU resources and load starts to climb  Any ideas what causes this? KDE is 4.13.3
[16:17] <campbell> #mp3dcc
[16:18] <BluesKaj> campbell, no file sharing here
[16:20] <BluesKaj> !list | campbell
[16:37] <Ab3L> hi
[16:38] <Ab3L> i've a problem. when i put my login and password in lightdm at the start of the system, lightdm asks me the password again and again, like if it is in a loop.
[16:39] <krytarik> Ab3L: Does it appear to start your session at first?
[16:40] <Ab3L> yes
[16:40] <krytarik> !xhangs
[16:41] <Ab3L> ok. i try it, but first i try renaming .Xauthority
[16:41] <krytarik> Yeah, would be the same.
[16:42] <Ab3L> btw, i don't find any ICEauthority
[16:42] <Ab3L> is it normal?
[16:42] <krytarik> Yep, not necessarily there.
[16:43] <Ab3L> looks like is working fine...
[16:43] <krytarik> Lovely.
[16:43] <Ab3L> yep
[16:43] <Ab3L> thx a lot
[16:43] <krytarik> Welcome.
[16:44] <Ab3L> bye
[16:46] <Ab3L> yes. now it works greatly
[17:01] <Azuu> lately we have a problem when 2 users are signed in and one has locked the scree (no apps running) his kwin session starts to suck up CPU resources and load starts to climb  Any ideas what causes this? KDE is 4.13.3
[17:26] <BluesKaj> !soundkonverter
[17:26] <BluesKaj> !info soundkonverter
[18:09] <remline> What is the relationship in system settings between 'Mouse > Advanced > Pointer Acceleration' and 'Touchpad > Pointer Motion > Acceleration' ?
[18:29] <Anoniem4l> BluesKaj: it appears the live USB works flawlessly (with the drivers)
[18:30] <Anoniem4l> it's exactly what I want actually lol
[18:30] <Anoniem4l> oh nope, it broke after 20 seconds.
[18:30] <Anoniem4l> this is pretty unreal.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> which OS , Anoniem4l ?
[18:31] <Anoniem4l> Kubuntu 14.10
[18:31] <Anoniem4l> what I wanted (dual monitors) lasted for 20 seconds, then the second monitor's frames totally broke
[18:31] <Anoniem4l> i will procede with installation and then figure something out from there.
[18:33] <BluesKaj> Anoniem4l, bummer , I'm not real familiar with multisrceen setups, but the generic video driver in the live media version is obviously not capapble
[18:33] <BluesKaj> err capable
[18:33] <lordievader> Yes, it is. In his case it is likely the radeon driver.
[18:34] <lordievader> I have the radeon driver running here with 3 displays.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> I'm talking about the driver on the live-media, lordievader, unless there's HW on his setup that's unsupported
[18:36] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Are you still in the live-session?
[18:36] <Anoniem4l> lordievader: just filled the credentials for the installation
[18:36] <Anoniem4l> also yeah I am I guess
[18:37] <lordievader> Anoniem4l: Open a terminal: lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA
[18:37] <lordievader> What driver is listed?
[18:38] <Anoniem4l> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV790 [Radeon HD 4890]\n\tSubsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Device e115\n\tKernel driver in use: radeon
[18:38] <Anoniem4l> @ lordievader
[18:39] <lordievader> BluesKaj: ^
[18:40] <Anoniem4l> also 1 monitor is plugged onto my motherboard, the other onto the VGA
[18:40] <Anoniem4l> but I don't think that makes a difference since both monitors work flawlessly together on windows OS
[18:54] <BluesKaj> well, naptime here..BBL
[19:11] <VolUTFan> Hey guys!!! Hope you've had a good day
[20:28] <avitoholix> v
[20:52] <naftilos76> Hi, how do i show the contents of a text file without adding a new line char such as 'cat' command ?
[20:54] <lordievader> naftilos76: You mean you want to filter the break lines?
[20:54] <lordievader> Pipe it to sed.
[21:14] <bprompt> naftilos76:   without adding a new line?  wass dadt?
[21:15] <bprompt> naftilos76:   what are you specifically after?
[21:16] <naftilos76> Sorry, my mistake. 'cat' behaves as expected . It is ruby that removes one new line before writing to the hd.
[21:20] <bprompt> naftilos76:  use "cat" then :)
[22:24] <VolUTFan> does anyone get tired of making simlinks?  The reason I ask is that I wrote a sh script for auto creation of simlinks for directories, since I got tired of doing it manually
[22:24] <VolUTFan> Ill post that if anyone is interested
[22:28] <lordievader> I rarely make symlinks...
[22:28] <lordievader> Nor hardlinks for that matter.
[22:31] <VolUTFan> lordievader: most prob don't but in the case of apache2, Ive learned its a PITA expecially when you are trying to get it setup.  Its the repitition of typing that I hate, especially when I can script it LOL
[22:32] <lordievader> VolUTFan: Most of my sites are in /var/www, others are aliases. No need for symlinks.
[22:32] <lordievader> Symlinks just make managing Apache confusing.
[22:34] <VolUTFan> prob