[02:26] <diddledan> can anyone else get to the bbc news site?
[02:26] <diddledan> I seem to be stalling on loading images and javascripts and things
[03:50] <nigelb> diddledan: wfm. Do you have a particularly broken link?
[03:50] <nigelb> Also, http or https?
[03:50] <nigelb> (I'm hitting bbc.com though)
[04:36] <mapp> hey
[10:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:23] <zertyui> hi
[10:24] <zertyui> there
[10:24] <zertyui> when doing ls -rtl
[10:24] <zertyui> is it possible to see the complete th ?
[10:37] <shauno> like doing ls -rtl | less   ?
[11:07]  * bashrc fixes emacs configuration
[11:26] <ujjain> whats the song called...
[11:26] <ujjain> it´s blabla oclock in soho....
[11:26] <ujjain> london band
[11:26] <ujjain> old music
[14:41] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[14:41] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[14:42] <bashrc> afternoon
[16:11] <Banana_> my screen artifacts returned. All day last night my system was working normal and before a update (i think it was) i havest experienced screen artifacts for 4 months
[17:42] <penguin42> damn, Amazon has started to understand me; it's offered me a 1kg bag of chocolate coffee beans
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, tell them I want those!
[17:53] <SuperEngineer> I lurrrrv chocolate coffee beans!
[17:55] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: http://www.amazon.co.uk/CAROL-ANNE-CHOCOLATE-COFFEE-BEANS/dp/B00CDW241Q/ref=sr_1_2?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1425750819&sr=1-2&keywords=chocolate+coffee+beans
[17:57] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, thank you
[17:57] <daftykins> hi all
[17:57] <daftykins> penguin42: hehe, you are powerless to resist!
[17:57] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Seems a reasonable price - if they're good
[17:58] <SuperEngineer> yup
[17:59]  * penguin42 had the first ice cream of the year today from an 'artisan' chocolate shop; very creamy, but frankly very unchocolatey :-(
[18:00] <daftykins> it was oddly sunny down here, too
[18:00] <daftykins> 12 deg C i believe
[18:00] <penguin42> it was lovely here
[18:01] <SuperEngineer> It was gorgously sunny here... went for a pint, drank it outside in the sun...
[18:01] <daftykins> :)
[18:01] <daftykins> i went to a cafe up north overlooking a harbour, bay and the neighbouring islands
[18:02] <SuperEngineer> ...&commented "oh what a glourious day, except for that awful wind"...
[18:02] <SuperEngineer> just as a woman passing farted.... perfect timing methinka
[18:02] <SuperEngineer> *methinks
[18:04] <daftykins> D:
[18:07] <daftykins> tsk tsk naughty CentOS users trying to get support in #ubuntu
[18:08] <daftykins> the bash prompt is such a giveaway 8D
[18:22] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, just ordered me some chocolate coffee beans.  Fingers crossed :)
[18:25] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Haha sorry about that; if you're still awake after a week then they're probably good
[18:31] <bashrc> Well Ubuntu MATE is running pretty well. It's old skool, but hey.
[18:32] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, I call chocolate coffee beans "chocolate driving means".. so here's hoping!
[18:32] <penguin42> bashrc: I quite like it; my dad mostly runs mate
[18:33] <bashrc> I ran Gnome 2 for years, so this is quite familiar. I expect it's also very lightweight and could run well on older hardware
[18:33] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: haha; M&S used to do some a few years back where it was chocolate coffee remolded into a bean shape that were great; no crunchy core but still a big kick
[18:34] <t7> stupid xchat-gnome opens this channel by default
[18:34] <t7> i have no idea how to stop it
[18:35] <bashrc> irssi ftw
[18:35] <t7> i dont like monospace fonts on irc
[18:35] <penguin42> because it looks like  i rc ?
[18:35] <t7> because its not code
[18:37] <t7> arg reinstalling OS is very stressful :)
[18:38] <t7> i should just go back to chatzilla
[18:38] <t7> even though firefox crashes so often and i lose irc connection
[18:39] <daftykins> i think the mistakes those that don't do OS installs often make, is they try to rush back.
[18:40] <t7> i just did 14.04 -> .10
[18:41] <penguin42> why would you reinstall for that?
[18:41] <t7> installed too much junk
[18:41] <daftykins> well we all know what the word 'upgrade' really means ;)
[18:41] <daftykins> i wouldn't fancy non-LTS personally :>
[18:41] <bashrc> 'Upgrade'?
[18:44] <t7> also, can i use docker or something to keep all my dev and DB stuff separate from OS ?
[18:44] <t7> i dont want postgres running all the time (when i wanna play games)
[18:44] <daftykins> eggs and baskets come to mind :)
[20:37] <penguin42> has anyone got the magic to get five.tv to work ?
[21:08] <diddledan> penguin42, I think it probably involves some kind of goat sacrifice
[21:08] <penguin42> diddledan: Well, I've tried that....
[21:09] <daftykins> XD
[21:10] <penguin42> I've got it playing on my Android Phone; but failed with Firefox (ubuntu and fedora) chrome (fedora)
[21:11] <penguin42> pleasently surprised it's managing it on CM
[21:12] <diddledan> I think it requires silverlight on desktop
[21:12] <penguin42> diddledan: No, it seems to be Flash based these days
[21:12] <penguin42> diddledan: but requires flash-drm
[21:12] <diddledan> hmm
[21:12] <zmoylan-pi> is flash more or less evil than silverlight these days? :-)
[21:12] <diddledan> that is supposed to work out of the box
[21:13] <penguin42> there are suggestions you need to install hald and *then* sacrifice a goat
[21:13] <shauno> I think that's really the only sane thing you can do with a goat once you've installed hald on it
[21:13] <diddledan> the flash bundled with googley edition chrome should support drm on 14.10
[21:14] <diddledan> I thought 14.04 had received the relevant patches, too
[21:14] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh, that's why I installed chrome on ubuntu though, I tried it on fedora using chrome downloaded from google
[21:14] <penguin42> diddledan: What needs the patches?
[21:15] <SuperEngineer> you need a free range goat beforre it works
[21:15] <diddledan> penguin42, a library shipped with ubuntu
[21:15] <diddledan> nss?
[21:19] <penguin42> hmm
[21:20] <diddledan> lol @ full-disclosure mailing list: there's queries over java 8u40 being released and people questioning why there was an out-of-band (not scheduled) bugfix release. it's got to the point that a dude from oracle has had to step-in and point out that it's a feature release that's been planned for over a year
[21:21] <daftykins> oh dear :)
[21:21] <daftykins> were they frothing at the mouth and demanding answers as to what it 'fixed' ?
[21:21] <diddledan> hehe
[21:23] <SuperEngineer> ...here I am, brain the size of a planet....
[21:24] <penguin42> all the diodes down your left leg...
[21:24] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> that statement was made when pluto was considered a planet... :-P
[21:35] <diddledan> how many times have we re-classified pluto now?
[21:36] <shauno> 1
[21:36] <diddledan> really?
[21:36] <shauno> as I understand it, it just went from planet to dwarf-planet when we discovered there's other KBOs that are as big, if not bigger
[21:46] <diddledan> I thought they upgraded it again and then down a second time
[21:47] <daftykins> aww low battery already
[21:47] <diddledan> :-o
[21:48]  * zmoylan-pi glances at phone i've used all day and it still registers 100% :-)
[21:48] <daftykins> oh wrong chan
[21:48] <daftykins> i dug out my Nintendo DSi :D
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> i tells ya that if nokia of yore had of made an electric car it would have the best range. :-)
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> turning the indicators on would have involved 16 menu options though... :-D
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> i quite liked the nintendo ds and the ds lite. very good solid hardware
[21:59] <daftykins> it was claiming 50% battery when i fired it up just now, hasn't been used in years
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> ah the smart battery guage that guesses and adjusts over a batteries life...
[22:11] <daftykins> :)
[22:29] <diddledan> I still can't get anything from bbc.co.uk other than text
[22:29] <diddledan> it just sits there spinning chrome's loading icon
[22:30] <popey> wfm
[22:30] <diddledan> hmm weird
[22:30] <diddledan> everything else on the internet that I've tried works fine
[22:31] <diddledan> just bbc can't load imagery and video
[22:33] <diddledan> looks like js isn't loading eitehr
[22:34] <diddledan> weird, it's just this computer (maybe the browser)
[22:34] <diddledan> my mac loads it fine
[22:35] <daftykins> matching DNS config?
[22:35] <diddledan> should be - I do things with dhcp
[22:48] <diddledan> both systems are resolving static.bbci.co.uk the same way
[22:50] <diddledan> there's an error in the console from requirejs: http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#timeout <-- they helpfully don't mention the possibility that perhaps the server ain't responding
[22:51] <diddledan> their two likely causes are 1) the path is wrong, or 2) the developer put two scripts of the same id
[22:52] <shauno> do you have some variant of https-everywhere?
[22:52] <diddledan> noep
[22:53] <diddledan> I wonder why bbc set a cookie with a browser version string embedded?
[22:53] <diddledan> specifically: Mozilla/5.0%20(Windows%20NT%2010.0%3b%20WOW64)%20AppleWebKit/537.36%20(KHTML%2c%20like%20Gecko)%20Chrome/40.0.2214.111%20Safari/
[22:53] <shauno> that's a browser string?  it looks like ... all the browser strings
[22:54] <shauno> do you get a meaningful error if you go to one of the static assets directly?  eg http://static.bbci.co.uk/weather/0.5.284/images/icons/individual_56_icons/en_on_light_bg/8.gif  ?
[22:54] <diddledan> that loads
[22:54] <diddledan> this is pending: http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.83.4/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png
[22:54] <shauno> so it can load them, but just doesn't want to ?
[22:55] <shauno> hm, that works here
[22:55] <diddledan> but loads when I go there directly
[22:56] <shauno> ooh, you know what it is?
[22:56] <daftykins> clean browser session?
[22:56] <shauno> bedtime.  have fun with that :p
[22:56] <daftykins> er i mean clean profile
[22:56] <daftykins> shauno: nn sir :>
[23:05] <popey> lulz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyShy_ey7Ds
[23:05] <popey> Ubuntu MATE on PowerMac G5
[23:06] <daftykins> heh the 21:9 LCDs
[23:07] <popey> yeah
[23:07] <diddledan> what's the mention of apple firmware and lack of apple firmware all about?
[23:08] <daftykins> mmm don't quite get that
[23:08] <diddledan> me either
[23:09] <daftykins> nor do i get messing with old PPC kit :D
[23:12] <popey> nah, i dunno
[23:12] <daftykins> might continue my win98 craptop finding mission this week :)
[23:12] <diddledan> re: the java thread on full disclosure I mentioned - they're now onto talking about the ask toolbar being included gratis. someone pointed to a screenshot of the windows version http://i.imgur.com/82Tp2pp.png?1 which I'm curious as to the white bits being weirdly shaped and all over the shop
[23:12] <daftykins> an ebay seller kindly has offered to take time to test serial + floppy on one i enquired about
[23:13] <daftykins> diddledan: windows themeing, mmm
[23:13] <daftykins> see it mess up a lot these days in 7 and 8
[23:13] <diddledan> that looks like it's vista?
[23:13] <daftykins> although i wouldn't expect it to be that bad... but also i don't quite fancy running the installer to find out :D
[23:14] <daftykins> same close control as 7, tough call
[23:14] <diddledan> I can't actually remember 7
[23:16] <daftykins> same as that :D
[23:17] <diddledan> cuteness alert: https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/574309839679131648/photo/1
[23:17] <popey> awwwwwww
[23:18] <daftykins> i can't click such links anymore, Mischief says she's all the cuteness i need
[23:18] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mvepdm6sggtv2m2/IMG_20141129_020918.jpg?dl=0
[23:18] <daftykins> ;)
[23:19] <diddledan> awwww
[23:19] <diddledan> she wubs you
[23:19] <daftykins> ooh the win10 VM wants to update its' store
[23:19] <popey> daftykins: ever done an oem install of ubuntu?
[23:19] <zmoylan-pi> merely the moggy equivalent of a mother wiping her childs face in front of their friends to embarrass them :-)
[23:20] <daftykins> OEM you say? nope don't think so, not even sure what's involved?
[23:20] <popey> k
[23:20] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, not only does the mother wipe her child's face, but she uses her spit to do so
[23:20] <popey> its for oems (funnily) which lets you install, customize it then ship it
[23:20] <daftykins> sadly i don't consider myself capable of supporting it well enough to try and put it in for someone
[23:20] <popey> then when customer turns it on, it asks the usual questions - username, keyboard, locale etc
[23:20] <daftykins> *nod*
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> that goes without saying diddledan, dial the embarrassment to 11
[23:21] <diddledan> is that 1 louder?
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> 1 ickier
[23:21] <diddledan> aah
[23:26] <daftykins> hrmm wonder what to do with this canon inkjet
[23:26] <daftykins> can't be that great since it was free :D
[23:28] <zmoylan-pi> the ink isn't
[23:29] <daftykins> mmm just looked that up
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> even the cheap 3rd party cartridges are expensive
[23:29] <daftykins> £17.49 for one cart of each
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> buy a laser
[23:30] <daftykins> i don't even want a printer at all :) this cheap £208 Lenovo i3 laptop just came with it
[23:30] <zmoylan-pi> it's ballast
[23:30] <zmoylan-pi> a free anchor
[23:30] <daftykins> so now i have to buy a boat? d'aww
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> use the styrofoam packaging to make a raft
[23:32] <daftykins> hmmm
[23:44] <daftykins> my my, SSD + double RAM to 8GB still comes to under £299
[23:49] <zmoylan-pi> new shiny hardware soon probably so shift the old 'junk'
[23:50] <daftykins> hmmm?
[23:50] <daftykins> skylake isn't for the second half of the year (intel's next greatest)
[23:50] <zmoylan-pi> usually someything new and shiny in the spring
[23:51] <daftykins> broadwell desktop might show up at some point
[23:51]  * penguin42 wishes for more faster cores