[08:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:04] <kalsa> Hi. How can I fix "An upgrade from 'vivid' to 'utopic' is not supported with this tool."?
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> kalsa: vivid is new then utopic, what you want is a downgrade?
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> newer
[09:10] <kalsa> lotuspsychje, I want Firefox 36 on this OS, but due to this error I cannot update.
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[09:11] <lordievader> kalsa: Due what error?
[09:11] <kalsa> "An upgrade from 'vivid' to 'utopic' is not supported with this tool."
[09:12] <lordievader> kalsa: Could you pastebin the full error?
[09:12] <kalsa> lordievader, This is all that window includes.
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> kalsa: 14.10 also has firefox 36
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> kalsa: not sure what you trying to do here...
[09:15] <kalsa> lotuspsychje, I've got Ubuntu 15.04 here but when I want to update then this windows appears.
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> update or upgrade?
[09:18] <kalsa> lotuspsychje, I go to Ubuntu ico, then type "software update", windows with "it's not possible to install all updates" appears.
[09:18] <kalsa> When I click "update partially" then this error message appears.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> kalsa: try sudp apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade from terminal
[09:20] <kalsa> lotuspsychje, OK
[09:22] <kalsa> lotuspsychje, All went fine, only terminal said that I need to "apt-get autoremove"
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> kalsa: maybe some locked packages block your updates?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | kalsa i recomend this to clean
[09:23] <lordievader> kalsa: So what version of FF do you have now?
[09:23] <lordievader> No
[09:24] <lordievader> Bleachbit is dangerous, or so I've heared.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: never had any issue with it
[09:24] <kalsa> lordievader, An upgrade from 'vivid' to 'utopic' is not supported with this tool.
[09:24] <kalsa> lordievader, Still.
[09:25] <kalsa> lordievader, And now here is also "oneconf" error.
[09:26] <elfy> kalsa: no idea what it is you're trying to do - but no an upgrade from vivid to utopic is not going to be possible
[09:26] <lordievader> kalsa: I was after the output of 'apt-cache policy'.
[09:26] <kalsa> elfy, It's 15.04 here, not 14.10
[09:26] <elfy> yes
[09:26] <elfy> you can't downgrade to 14.10
[09:27] <kalsa> elfy, And I don't want to downgrade.
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> thats what im trying to tell him all the time
[09:27] <elfy> kalsa: so what are you doing that's trying to do it then?
[09:27] <kalsa> elfy, To get Firefox 36 from repository.
[09:28] <elfy> someone else might know - is it still in -proposed?
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> should be 36 already elfy
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> same for trusty and utopic
[09:29] <kalsa> lordievader, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10561165/
[09:29] <elfy> yea was being lazy :) I grabbed it from proposed
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> kalsa: can you apt-cache show firefox to see wich version your on?
[09:39] <lordievader> Ugh I wasn't awake yet...
[09:40] <lordievader> apt-cache policy != apt-cache policy firefox
[09:57] <kalsa> Is there a solution for this problem?
[09:57] <elfy> kalsa: what is the result from apt-cache policy firefox
[09:58] <kalsa> elfy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10561165/
[09:58] <elfy> that is not the result of apt-cache policy firefox
[10:01] <kalsa> elfy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10561266/
[10:03] <elfy> looking at the mirrors - the Polish ones appear to be behind, try changing mirror to Main server, then apt-get update and upgrade again
[10:04] <elfy> also - do you have proposed enabled? if you do - disable it then do the above
[10:10] <kalsa> elfy, OK, doing. May be problemm in polish mirror?
[10:21] <elfy> possibly
[10:35] <kalsa> elfy, It seems that it may work. Thanks.
[10:37] <elfy> welcome :)
[11:57] <elichai2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1429552
[12:05] <elichai2> i want to test kernel version 3.19 to check if it will fix some of my problems
[12:05] <elichai2> how can i do it?
[12:05] <elichai2> (without upgrading to vivid)
[12:07] <MoonUnit`> download the debs appropriate for your system then install with dpkg  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.19.1-vivid/
[12:34] <knittl> hi. currently Xorg is not starting on my system
[12:34] <knittl> I deleted the Xorg.0.log file and after a reboot it's still missing
[12:34] <knittl> the boot process simply stop at the bootsplash
[12:35] <knittl> hm. maybe I should try one of the old 3.18 kernels
[12:36] <penguin42> do you get anything in /var/log/lightdm ?
[12:38] <knittl> hmm. I'm using gdm
[12:38] <penguin42> ok
[12:38] <penguin42> anything in gdm logs ?
[12:38] <knittl> no luck with 3.18 though
[12:39] <knittl> hm weird. the most recent logfiles of gdm are named (null)-greeter.log.1
[12:40] <penguin42> you could try starting X manually and see what happens - maybe it's not getting anywhere near that far?
[12:40] <knittl> startx says 'timeout locking .Xauthority'
[12:41] <knittl> hm. must startx be run as root?
[12:41] <penguin42> hmm is that because there's another X startup trying to run?
[12:42] <knittl> greeter.log contains as last line 'Activated service 'org.gnome.ScreenSaver' failed: Process org.gnome.ScreenSaver exited with status 1'
[12:44] <penguin42> I wouldn't have *thought* that the screensaver is a big issue?
[12:44] <knittl> executing startx as root now
[12:44] <knittl> I think the screensaver is also the lockscreen - so it's security related
[12:44] <knittl> hm. now gnome runs as root. that's not what I wanted to achieve
[12:45] <knittl> and I don't see my mouse cursor ...
[12:45] <penguin42> ok, so if X is starting that does say it's not graphics driver related?
[12:46] <knittl> I don't think so
[12:46] <knittl> although that was my first guess, which prompted me to uninstall nvidia and switch to nouveau
[12:46] <knittl> let's start elinks and google for that log message
[12:52] <knittl> this looks like it could get me near the solution: gnome-session[19609]: CRITICAL: Unable to create a DBus proxy for GnomeScreensaver: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.ScreenSaver: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.ScreenSaver exited with status 1
[13:02] <knittl> hm. systemctl status says gdm is running
[13:03] <knittl> wait a second. ps shows gnome-wayland-whatever
[13:07] <penguin42> oh I don't know how that works
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:59] <foormea> hello! installed kubuntu 15.04 yesterday. pretty happy overall! i'm noticing that bash completion with sudo seems broken -- is there any quick fix for that?
[15:00] <penguin42> foormea: What were you tab completing
[15:00] <foormea> aptitude
[15:00] <penguin42> are you sure it worked on 14.10 ?
[15:00] <foormea> actually... it's not with sudo that it's broken. in user mode it's the same, with aptitude at least
[15:00] <penguin42> what exactly are you trying to complete?
[15:00] <foormea> penguin42: yeah, 100% sure, i've got another station with 14.10 that has bash completion working for aptitude
[15:01] <foormea> apti<tab> sh<tab> <start typing package name>
[15:01] <foormea> for aptitude show <package>
[15:01] <foormea> for example
[15:01] <Daekdroom> foormea, does it work with apt-get?
[15:01] <foormea> Daekdroom: no
[15:01] <Daekdroom> foormea, does it work with a different terminal (gnome-terminal, e.g.)?
[15:01] <foormea> Daekdroom: let me try
[15:02] <foormea> Daekdroom: works in text console!
[15:02]  * penguin42 would blame bash-completion and file a bug then
[15:03] <foormea> yeah? let me see how/where to file a bug, been ages since i last did that
[15:03] <penguin42> launchpad
[15:03] <Daekdroom> foormea, ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc are config files needed for completion to work properly, but I guess there's nothing wrong with them if text console works.
[15:03] <penguin42> foormea: If you've got a launchpad account just do   ubuntu-bug bash-completion
[15:03] <Daekdroom> Anyway, there are template files for .profile and .bashrc under /etc/skel
[15:03] <foormea> penguin42: wow that's pretty cool. don't have an account but will create one now :)
[15:04] <foormea> so i just re-checked just to be sure, in text console, completion on aptitude works just fine, same for sudo aptitude
[15:05] <penguin42> hmm that's odd
[15:05] <penguin42> foormea: SO it works in text console but not your gnome terminal?
[15:06] <penguin42> that's weird
[15:07] <Daekdroom> KDE uses konsole, iirc.
[15:07] <foormea> penguin42: my kde terminal, konsole
[15:07] <penguin42> foormea: Hmm, yeh so hmm
[15:07] <penguin42> that is weird
[15:07] <MoonUnit`> i needed to add the bash completion lines to .bashrc when i installed vivid.
[15:07] <Daekdroom> I had the same issue in my system when I installed Kubuntu but I was lacking ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc
[15:08] <foormea> Daekdroom: this is a fresh install let me check that just to be sure
[15:08] <penguin42> Daekdroom: But it should pick bash completion up from /etc/profile and shouldn't need your own settings
[15:08] <foormea> Daekdroom: guess what
[15:08] <foormea> no ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile
[15:09] <Daekdroom> Copy those from /etc/skel and see if it works.
[15:09] <penguin42> oh yeh, there's an include for it
[15:09] <foormea> ok
[15:09] <penguin42> OK, so what's that a bug in? Something somewhere didn't copy the skel files during user creation
[15:09] <foormea> is that a bug that the installer didn't copy them during install?
[15:09] <Daekdroom> Is it a new /home as well?
[15:09] <Daekdroom> Or did you use an old user folder?
[15:09] <foormea> nope, new
[15:09] <Daekdroom> Most likely installer, then.
[15:10] <lordievader> What do I need to do to get systemd working with an nfs-root? It tries to mount the rootfs but complains that the device is busy.
[15:10] <foormea> started all fresh on brand new desktop computer :)
[15:10] <foormea> and... tada! working perfectly now
[15:10] <foormea> thank you Daekdroom and penguin42. ok so... ubuntu-bug to... is the installer called ubiquity??
[15:11] <Daekdroom> yeah
[15:11] <penguin42> foormea: Yeh I guess so, but I'd assume that the installer calls something else to create the users so I'm a big confused
[15:11] <foormea> i'm guessing ubiquity guys would know who to forward the bug to, though
[15:11] <penguin42> yeh it's a good bet
[15:13] <elfy> lordievader: not sure if it's the same thing but nfs was one thing holding systemd release up, fixed apparently there bug 1312976
[15:15] <lordievader> elfy: After a while it does continue to boot. But with an ro disk. Trying _netdev now.
[15:16] <foormea> ok guys, many thanks. bye!
[15:46] <cxdvty> Hi all \
[15:46] <cxdvty> Hi all *
[15:52] <lordievader> o/
[16:05] <cxdvty> What changes to we expect to see in ubuntu 15.04 lts?
[16:06] <k1l_> 15.04 is no lts
[16:06] <k1l_> 14.04 is and 16.04 will be lts
[16:07] <cxdvty> Do you think it will be better than 14.04 and 14.10 tho?
[16:07] <k1l_> from tomorrow on it will have full systemd as init system. that is quite a big change
[16:07] <lordievader> cxdvty: Kubuntu has Plasma5 as default on Vivid. That is rather nice.
[16:07] <cxdvty> Awesome
[16:08] <cxdvty> Will you guys be upgrading?
[16:08] <cxdvty> I need a dev friendly environment d:
[16:08] <Daekdroom> I'm upgraded already.
[16:08] <cxdvty> how? Daekdroom
[16:09] <k1l_> i am already on 15.04
[16:09] <lordievader> cxdvty: Already running Vivid.
[16:09] <cxdvty> You guys already have it?
[16:09] <cxdvty> How?
[16:09] <cxdvty> Is it in beta or just early release type deal?
[16:10] <lordievader> cxdvty: Still beta.
[16:10] <cxdvty> Is it very buggy?
[16:10] <k1l_> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[16:10] <lordievader> cxdvty: But a simple change in /etc/apt/sources.list and an apt-get dist-upgrade will do the trick. However, running a development release is not recommended unless you know what you are doing.
[16:10] <k1l_> lordievader: nope cxdvty dont do that
[16:11] <k1l_> use the "-d" switch on the update-manager or do-release-upgrade
[16:11] <cxdvty> Okay
[16:11] <cxdvty> So how buggy is it?
[16:11] <cxdvty> Will I be pleased if i switch to it?
[16:11] <k1l_> if you need to ask that dont go with alpha/beta
[16:12] <lordievader> k1l_: That does pretty much the same thing. I usually do it like I said above as I upgrade rather early in the development process.
[16:12] <k1l_> they are quite stable because the packages get automated testings. but there is a risk that one day it will just break your system.
[16:12] <lordievader> Like tommorow, with the switch to systemd ;)
[16:12] <k1l_> lordievader: nope. PPA handling etc are very different on your dirty way.
[16:13] <cxdvty> Okay so do I need to switch to beta or stay on 14.04?
[16:13] <lordievader> I don't use ppa's ;)
[16:13] <lordievader> cxdvty: Stay on Trusty.
[16:13] <k1l_> cxdvty: if you want to go to 15.04 you need to change to 14.10 first.
[16:13] <cxdvty> I want to know the risks of doing so d:
[16:13] <k1l_> lordievader: so you do bad advice to other users because you dont use that :/
[16:14] <MoonUnit`> have problems turning of the pc since i switched to systemd, hopefully it will get fixed soon.
[16:14] <MoonUnit`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1427672
[16:15] <lordievader> k1l_: Ok, I'll recommend to use the do-release-update tool next time.
[16:15] <cxdvty> k1l: If you were in my shoes would you switch to 15.04 beta? d: I trust YOUR opinion
[16:16] <BluesKaj>  or do-release-upgrade -d
[16:16] <k1l_> cxdvty: i am already on 15.04. as i said: it is quite stable because of the automated testings. but there is still a risk that you cant boot your system one day.
[16:17] <k1l_> so if you need a stable system (for work etc....) dont go with alpha/betas :)  or have a backup system :)
[16:17] <cxdvty> How big is the risk
[16:17] <cxdvty> I just like to surf the web and listen to spotify lol
[16:17] <k1l_> tomorrow there will be a big change on the init system. so that can really cause a lot of issues. nobody knows so far.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> one has to install the gpu driver on nvidia gpus before installing systemd-sysv for permanent systemd boot..that's what I found due to the nvidia-prime bug
[16:18] <cxdvty> Wait do the changes automatically get put into our system
[16:18] <cxdvty> Or is it in an update
[16:19] <k1l_> you run the usual updates
[16:19] <cxdvty> Okay
[16:19] <cxdvty> As long as my system doesnt die im cool lol
[16:20] <k1l_> that is exactly the only reason not to use alpha/beta
[16:20] <cxdvty> Well What are the chances lol
[16:20] <k1l_> cxdvty: 99,9999%
[16:21] <cxdvty> Okay so i have this pc from castle rental
[16:21] <ObrienDave> that's optimistic ;p
[16:21] <cxdvty> I had a warranty
[16:21] <k1l_> 99,999% of breaking :)
[16:21] <ObrienDave> oh, yes, that ;P
[16:21] <cxdvty> If i wipe the drive if the beta messes it up can they say my warranty is voided if i have an empty harddrive? d:
[16:21] <k1l_> if it doesnt break you are the lucky one :)
[16:22] <lordievader> Systemd broke my netboot :(
[16:22] <cxdvty> k1l_: If it breaks will I still be able to boot from cd or usb :P
[16:23] <k1l_> yes of course. it will not cut your pc in half :)
[16:24]  * ObrienDave sighs
[16:24] <lordievader> Hehe, that'll be something.
[16:25] <penguin42> k1l_: Well, there was once a bug that bricked a range of samsung laptops
[16:26] <k1l_> yeah, the kernel issue. the birth of the hardware enablement stack :)
[16:26] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, do you own this pc or are renting/leasing , if so best to check your cient agreement
[16:27] <penguin42> cxdvty: Make sure that you have the reinstallation CD for the machine; then you should be able to reinstall the original image if ubuntu doesn't work
[16:29] <MoonUnit`> i've been using fsarchiver to make image backups of my root partition before any big updates.
[16:41] <cxdvty> penguin42: Castle didnt give me one
[16:41] <cxdvty> Blueskaj: I'm renting it
[16:42] <cxdvty> I'm paying it off from castle rental
[16:43] <BluesKaj> then check your agreement with the rental company about making changes to the PC's OS etc
[16:43] <ObrienDave> there should be a recovery partition for windows
[16:43] <cxdvty> Ok
[16:43] <cxdvty> I have ran dban several times
[16:44] <ObrienDave> so much for the recovery
[16:45] <BluesKaj> then it's definitely too late
[16:45] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, i guess you "own" it now
[16:45] <cxdvty> Lol so i shouldn't run beta
[16:45] <cxdvty> Got it d:
[16:46] <cxdvty> I could get a .iso of the original os and install it and stuff then take it back
[16:47] <ObrienDave> that might work
[17:19] <cxdvty> I am a sucker for new versions of anything d:
[17:25] <ObrienDave> am here and several other channels also ;p
[17:25] <cxdvty> 0brienDave: Are you running the 15.04?
[17:26] <ObrienDave> no 14.04 lts
[17:26] <ObrienDave> tired of the 6 month reinstall garbage
[17:27] <cxdvty> What do you mean by that?
[17:28] <ObrienDave> every 6 months reinstalling the latest OS. with LTS i have 3 years of support
[17:28] <cxdvty> oh true
[17:28] <ObrienDave> 5 years on server
[17:28] <cxdvty> But would it be dumb to switch from lts to a beta d:
[17:29] <cxdvty> I feel like these people were messing with me
[17:29] <ObrienDave> 15.04 life span is 9 months. thanks but no thanks
[17:29] <BluesKaj> i like the challenge of dev releases , altho 15.04 adoptiong plasma5/KF5 was somewhat premature in my estimation
[17:29] <cxdvty> Everyone is telling me its for sure going to mess up my system d: If that's true why is everyone running it? :P
[17:30] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I've been running it on 14.10 for a while and now have it on my f21 box, and yeh it's a bit early still; but frankly nothing is getting fixed in kde4 any more
[17:30] <cxdvty> I agree with BluesKaj
[17:31] <ObrienDave> i like the latest and greatest also but when they dropped 18 month support, i switched to LTS only
[17:31] <BluesKaj> penguin42, they had enough sense to leave dolphin alone til KDE5 is officially released (I think)
[17:32] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I'm finding the panel still a bit flaky
[17:33] <cxdvty> Lol on youtube 15.04 looks just the same as 14.04 lol so whats the point?
[17:33] <lordievader> ObrienDave: Trusty also has 5 years on the desktop.
[17:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, I don't like the fact the individual background option for the virtual desktops is gone. It can be with actitvities but I'm an actitvities user
[17:34] <BluesKaj> not an activites user rather
[17:34] <ObrienDave> lordievader, not Xubuntu, 3 years
[17:34] <cxdvty> 0brienDave what do you use?
[17:34] <cxdvty> Lubuntu? kubuntu?
[17:35] <lordievader> ObrienDave: Ah, I see.
[17:36] <ObrienDave> Xubuntu
[17:36] <BluesKaj> penguin42, some settings like icon size etc don't seem to work for the panel
[17:36] <cxdvty> Which one is cinnamon desktop
[17:36] <ObrienDave> cinnamon
[17:37] <ObrienDave> it's not an official DE
[17:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh, and I can't see how to add a new icon to the panel; I can add it using the task manager to do a 'create an icon for when the application isn't running' but it doesn't let me position it and the icons are much smaller than the old icons I could place
[17:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj: although interestingly an icon I've already placed is still there - not sure how I managed that
[17:38] <BluesKaj> penguin42, i just dragged the icon into the panel beside the kicker from the kmenu
[17:39] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well I just tried that on my 14.10 install and while it made a space, the icon hasn't appeared
[17:39] <penguin42> (actually the space it made is rather wide - about 5-6 times the width of the icon)
[17:40] <BluesKaj> whoa ,. that's starnge behaviour
[17:40] <BluesKaj> err strange
[17:40] <penguin42> yeh
[17:40] <penguin42> I'm sure the panel behaviour is getting worse and worse over releases
[17:44] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah, losing some options on plasma 5..let's hope the missing are restored with the KDE5release
[17:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You're not going to bet on that are you?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> penguin42, well no , that's why I'm keeping my 14.10 plasma4 install :)\
[17:46] <MoonUnit`> yeah they are a bit small, ended up making the panel higher to rescale the icons
[17:47] <BluesKaj> actually MoonUnit` the icons here on 15.04 are too large so reducing the panel height was the only available fix
[17:48] <cxdvty> what is the snappiest most beautiful lookin flavor of ubuntu
[17:48] <MoonUnit`> wish i could tighten up the desktop icons, too wide apart for my liking.
[17:50] <ObrienDave> cxdvty, that depends on your point of view
[17:51] <BluesKaj> another one I miss is the quicklaunch, it was compact compared to the taskmanger launch on plasma 54
[17:51] <BluesKaj> 5
[17:55] <BluesKaj> thereby I don't need to clutter the desktop with icons
[17:56] <ObrienDave> you should see my windows desktop, must have 50 icons
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ObrienDave, web shortcuts no doubt :)
[17:58]  * penguin42 has a few desktop icons
[17:59] <ObrienDave> BluesKaj, no web shortcuts, apps only ;P
[17:59] <k1l_> desktop icons? aint no body got time for dat ;p
[18:00] <BluesKaj> k1l_, it's a matter of personal preference
[18:00]  * penguin42 has one to start a separate firefox instance
[18:01] <ObrienDave> i'm too lazy to look through 200 folders in my start menu ;p
[18:01] <k1l_> penguin42: on unity i just make a middle click on the firefox icon in the launcher bar for that.
[18:01] <penguin42> k1l_: No, a separate instance with a different profile that runs in safe mode
[18:02] <k1l_> ah ok
[18:02] <k1l_> i bet you could make another starter for that in that bar, too.
[18:02] <penguin42> k1l_:    Konsole output     -new-instance -no-remote -safe-mode -private -P Private
[18:02] <k1l_> but everyone got another workflow
[18:02] <penguin42> k1l_: Yeh, I've got a .desktop file for it, I can put it any where
[18:02] <penguin42> ok, ok what's started doing that?!
[18:03] <penguin42> pasting text from Konsole is now prepending 'Konsole output'
[18:03] <BluesKaj> penguin42, may I the purpose of FF in safemode?
[18:03] <BluesKaj> ask
[18:03] <k1l_> penguin42: what client?
[18:03] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Things of medium privateness - not banking stuff, but things where I want to run it in reasonable safety
[18:04] <penguin42> k1l_: That's Pidgin on 14.10 kubuntu (kde5) here, with synergy  and the konsole I was pasting from is on Fedora21 with KDE 5
[18:04] <penguin42> it didn't do that last week
[18:04] <k1l_> that sounds like a hell of a setup :)
[18:05] <BluesKaj> ok , did you see the vulnerability published by MS today about all mobile browsers which now include MS pcs as well
[18:05]  * penguin42 has two machines; I run the IRC on this old laptop screen
[18:05] <k1l_> maybe pidgin is prefacing pastes with console output?
[18:05] <penguin42> k1l_: It didn't used to; and the 'Konsole output' makes me think it's coming from the other box
[18:06] <penguin42> anyway, back in ~20 while I make a crumble
[18:06] <k1l_> nice
[18:33]  * penguin42 returns
[18:33] <k1l_> gimme my crumble ;p
[18:33] <penguin42> it's in the oven
[18:36] <ObrienDave> ooooooooooo crumble cake??? i want some
[18:39] <penguin42> no, crumble, not cake
[18:39] <penguin42> apple and pear crumble
[18:39] <penguin42> (pear because I had to cut some bits out of my apple so I made it up by adding a pear)
[18:54] <elfy> that sounds yum :)
[18:59] <cxdvty> 0brienDave: Okay so I love linux mint 17.1 rebecca cinnamon, but I want to use ubuntu, Which flavor is good for me
[18:59] <cxdvty> And is it snappy quick and no bugs or anything?
[19:02] <ObrienDave> cxdvty, most flavors of ubuntu are the same just different DEs
[19:02] <cxdvty> Ohhh ok
[19:02] <cxdvty> do you like mate?
[19:02] <cxdvty> I'm really wanting to try ubuntu mate lol but its in beta and I really dont want to mess up my harddrive switching os to os
[19:03] <ObrienDave> yes, for the most part but Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the 'lightest'
[19:03] <k1l_> cxdvty: there is mate-ubuntu which got the old gnome2 look
[19:03] <k1l_> if you want lightweight i would recommend Xubuntu or more lightweight Lubuntu
[19:03] <elfy> cxdvty: try them in virtual machines if you've got hardware to cope
[19:03] <ObrienDave> what elfy said
[19:04] <cxdvty> elfy: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#es_th=1&q=asus%20k53u%20specs
[19:04] <cxdvty> Check out my specs and tell me what you think lol im too new to this d:
[19:07] <elfy> I'd guess so
[19:07] <MoonUnit`> thought it was said 'mayt' but on the linux unglugged podcast they say 'mar-tay'
[19:07] <cxdvty> Okay
[19:08] <MoonUnit`> *unplugged
[19:09] <elfy> unglugged sounds so much better :)
[19:09] <MoonUnit`> :)
[19:15] <cxdvty> Who all is running the 15.04 beta
[19:15] <MoonUnit`> me
[19:15] <elfy> the beta is old hat :)
[19:15] <elfy> I'm running the post beta 1, pre final beta
[19:16] <cxdvty> Is it dangerous to run?
[19:16] <cxdvty> I am downloading kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso yet nobody will tell me if it is dangerous
[19:16] <elfy> I've never found any os dangerous - but I don't stick fingers where they shouldn't be stuck
[19:16] <ObrienDave> sound advice
[19:17] <elfy> it's not dangerous - it is pre-release
[19:17] <cxdvty> So my download is okay? :D
[19:17] <cxdvty> good
[19:17] <elfy> so it could be unbootable if something breaks
[19:17] <elfy> just don't run it on it's own, dual boot at least
[19:17] <ObrienDave> VM
[19:18] <ObrienDave> to try
[19:18] <cxdvty> You seen my system specs
[19:18] <cxdvty> Can I dualboot without any issues?
[19:18] <MoonUnit`> only problem i have is shutting the pc down with systemd installed, i make an  root image backup before any big dist-upgrades.
[19:18] <elfy> MoonUnit`: I saw people having that issue
[19:19] <cxdvty> elfy: Do I need to do anything special to dualboot or does ubuntu do all the partition stuff for me upon installation
[19:19] <BluesKaj> cxdvty,yes I'm dual booting 14.10 and 15.04, always have a backup OS
[19:20] <elfy> cxdvty: well - you'd need to download the released one as well
[19:20] <cxdvty> elfy: what do you mean? what is that
[19:20] <cxdvty> and you missed my question BluesKaj
[19:20] <elfy> cxdvty: were you the person who'd dbann'd their driver?
[19:20] <cxdvty> Yes
[19:20] <elfy> ok - so empty hdd
[19:21] <cxdvty> So what do I have to do
[19:21] <elfy> grab 14.10 AND 15.04
[19:21] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, as elfy just suggested
[19:21] <cxdvty> I already have ubuntu installed
[19:21] <cxdvty> Im on the pc i dbanned
[19:21] <elfy> mmm - not got time to go through the pro's and con's of partition schemes
[19:22] <elfy> but I would - create a couple of 15Gb partitions for /, create a swap partition, create another partition for data
[19:23] <cxdvty> what?
[19:23] <cxdvty> I'm a noob sorry ^.^
[19:23] <elfy> then install 14.10 in of the 15Gb, 15.04 in the other - use the big partition for data
[19:23] <cxdvty> Can you help me set it up\
[19:23] <elfy> yea I understand that - I've not got time to talk about partition schemes atm - but there are 147 other people in here :)
[19:24] <cxdvty> I've never done partitions before
[19:24] <elfy> well ...
[19:24] <elfy> what I would say is that now's an ideal time to learn and given that the drive is empty you're not going to cause yourself issues :)
[19:25] <cxdvty> Its not empty lol
[19:25] <cxdvty> I installed ubuntu 14.04 on it
[19:25] <cxdvty> 'm on it right now
[19:25] <MoonUnit`> having a separate home partition defiantly makes changing distro's easier.
[19:25] <cxdvty> elfy: ^^
[19:25] <elfy> cxdvty: aah ok - so it was empty it's not now
[19:25] <cxdvty> yes it has 14.04 on it
[19:25] <cxdvty> So what do i do?
[19:26] <cxdvty> Just boot from the 15.04 image and click install alongside ubuntu 14.04 and let it do its magic?
[19:26] <elfy> MoonUnit`: well - I only ever worry about 4 or 5 things in /home and they're linked to other partitions
[19:26] <elfy> cxdvty: yep
[19:26] <cxdvty> And when im ready to just have one os
[19:26] <cxdvty> How can i go back to normal?
[19:26] <elfy> MoonUnit`: so I don't seperate /home anymore
[19:27] <elfy> cxdvty: you would reinstall grub on the one you wanted to keep then remove the partition of the one you don't
[19:27] <cxdvty> Does it slow down your pc to dualboot? :P
[19:28] <elfy> MoonUnit`: though that said, given I run xubuntu qa I rarely use anything but the dev version, I think I used the released 14.10 for 2 hours
[19:28] <elfy> cxdvty: no
[19:28] <cxdvty> Okay thank you ^.^
[19:28] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, since you've already wiped the HDD then use the legacy mode in the UEFI/BIOS with secure boot disabled and you dual boot just fine.
[19:28] <cxdvty> So upon boot how do i choose my os?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> !grub
[19:30] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, grub bootloader will be installed and you can choose from the grub menu which OS to uise
[19:30] <cxdvty> Okay
[19:30] <cxdvty> Anything special i need to do when i install the 15.04 beta1? :p
[19:31] <elfy> not anymore than you are - asking things :)
[19:32] <cxdvty> Sorry haha trying to stay safe
[19:32] <elfy> not complaining - you're doing the right thing :)
[19:32] <elfy> and that's what this channel's for
[19:33] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, prepartition your hdd before installing any OSs  to 2 ext4 partitions at least , it's easier in the long run
[19:33] <elfy> BluesKaj: he's got 14.04 installed already
[19:34] <cxdvty> Isn't kde plasma just beautiful :')
[19:34] <elfy> anyway - time for me to toddle off
[19:34] <cxdvty> Its like the lollipop of ubuntu
[19:34] <elfy> cxdvty: good luck with it
[19:34] <BluesKaj> ok right , forgot about that
[19:35] <cxdvty> So bluesKaj nothing special to install after installing 15.04 beta1?
[19:35] <cxdvty> I seen you mention earlier something you installed
[19:36] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, thyere are options, but you'll want to make sure all is fine first with the install as it is
[19:36] <cxdvty> okay and how do i do that?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> just make sure it boots and runs ok
[19:37] <BluesKaj> if not , we're here to help
[19:38] <cxdvty> Okay C:
[19:38] <cxdvty> someone told me that running the 15.04 is 99.99 % sure to mess up your pc
[19:40] <cxdvty> How is it working for you?
[19:41] <cxdvty> Better than past ubuntu versions so far?
[19:43] <cxdvty> BluesKaj: ^^
[19:45] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, it's more breakable due to the introduction of plasma 5KF5 into the mix
[19:45] <cxdvty> Define breakable?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> kubuntu that is, I don't run ubuntu
[19:46] <cxdvty> I am downloading the kubuntu just because of plasma XD
[19:46] <cxdvty> Are you on it right now
[19:47] <BluesKaj> breakable in this case is , the inability to boot in to OS at login , seems to be the most common problem
[19:48] <BluesKaj> yes I am
[19:48] <cxdvty> But there are some people who have no problem?
[19:48] <cxdvty> Because I am definately feeling lucky today lol
[19:48] <BluesKaj> no problems atm
[19:48] <cxdvty> Good
[19:48] <cxdvty> How is the speed?
[19:48] <BluesKaj> that depends a ,ot on your hardware
[19:48] <BluesKaj> lot
[19:49] <cxdvty> I have good hardware
[19:49] <cxdvty> linux mint was pretty snappy when i used it
[19:49] <BluesKaj> then you should be fine
[19:49] <cxdvty> I'm just concerned about slowing down due to dual boot
[19:50] <cxdvty> why is the usb image creator stuck on 52% :')
[19:50] <BluesKaj> it's faster on my 1 yr old laptop than this 7 yr old dektop, but that's to be expected
[19:51] <cxdvty> Do you use unetbootin or??
[19:51] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, dual boot doesn't slow it down
[19:51] <BluesKaj> no I use dd
[19:53] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-burn-a-iso-to-a-usb-device
[19:54] <cxdvty> thank you
[19:56] <cxdvty> usb is sd1 right
[19:56] <cxdvty> or sdc
[19:57] <penguin42> that depends
[19:57] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, definitely not sda
[19:58] <cxdvty> dd: failed to open ‘kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso’: No such file or directory
[19:59] <cxdvty> nvrm i got it
[19:59] <cxdvty> my usb is sdb1
[19:59] <cxdvty> How long does this take
[19:59] <penguin42> cxdvty: Be careful, do the instructions tell you to use sd?1 or sd?
[20:00] <cxdvty> sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1
[20:00] <cxdvty> thats what i did
[20:00] <BluesKaj> use bs=1M at the end of the command to make the copy faster , not long a just a few mins
[20:00] <cxdvty> BluesKaj: Was that command ok
[20:01] <penguin42> cxdvty: I don't think you want the '1' at the end
[20:01] <penguin42> cxdvty: The '1' is causing it to write to the partition rather than the raw disk
[20:01] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, the file path to the image has to be exact
[20:03] <cxdvty> sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1
[20:03] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, for example dd if=~/Downloads/kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:03] <cxdvty> its in my home folder
[20:04] <cxdvty> cxdvty@cxdvty-K53U:~$ sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[20:04] <cxdvty> [sudo] password for cxdvty:
[20:04] <cxdvty> sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1
[20:04] <cxdvty> thats what happened
[20:04] <cxdvty> Now its just a blinking cursor
[20:06] <BluesKaj> look in your system monitor for cpu load , then you'll know it's copying, the bliniking curor after the command isnormal without the monitor/speed option
[20:08] <cxdvty> My system got VERY laggy when i started the dd
[20:08] <cxdvty> BluesKaj: ^^
[20:08] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, so the image was in your home dir ?
[20:09] <cxdvty> yes
[20:09] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:09] <cxdvty> i put it there
[20:11] <cxdvty> so since my system got all laggy does that mean its copying lol
[20:11] <BluesKaj> most likely
[20:11] <cxdvty> I just got ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error lol
[20:13] <cxdvty> It's been going for a while now
[20:18] <BluesKaj> if you didn't use the blocksize bs=1M  at the end of the command it could a long time , for the kubuntu image 1.2G it should take about 10 mins or so
[20:19] <cxdvty> its done
[20:19] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:19] <cxdvty> Ill login kubuntu xchat under the same name
[20:19] <cxdvty> stay here plz
[20:24] <cxdvty> didnt work
[20:24] <cxdvty> Said somethinglinux was missing or corrupt
[20:25] <MoonUnit`> i've had problems booting  the beta1 iso, complains about (iirc) /dev/sr0 /dev/sr1 missing even though i was booting from flash.
[20:26] <MoonUnit`> sometimes took a few tries to get it to boot properly.
[20:34] <cxdvty> MoonUnit?
[20:34] <MoonUnit`> yes
[20:35] <cxdvty> is it normal for the startup disk creator app to stop at 52% for a while?
[20:35] <MoonUnit`> don't think so.
[20:37] <BluesKaj> cxdvty, your image may be corrupt
[20:37] <cxdvty> u use kubuntu 15.04?
[20:38] <cxdvty> brb ima reboot
[20:44] <cxdvty> BluesKaj: ?? you there
[20:44] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:44] <cxdvty> its a bad iso file?'
[20:45] <BluesKaj> check the MD5 sum on the iso file
[20:46] <cxdvty> how
[20:47] <cxdvty> ?
[20:47] <MoonUnit`> ee@kubuntu:~$ md5sum kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:47] <MoonUnit`> b4e81c6c43eb1ec21ac4be022006f086  kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:48] <BluesKaj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[20:49] <cxdvty> it needs to match that number you put? BluesKaj
[20:49] <BluesKaj> well , it's been a long day and it's time for other things ...laters
[20:49] <BluesKaj> that was MoonUnit`
[20:50] <cxdvty> moonUnit`: numbers match
[20:52] <cxdvty> that mean its good?
[20:52] <MoonUnit`> yes
[20:57] <cxdvty> are you on kubuntu plasma beta
[20:57] <andrew321> hello, I've installed (apt-get install) package "nauty" without problem on my Ubuntu 14.10 but I am having trouble on my Ubuntu 15.04 -- installation finishes but I get "program is currently not installed..." . Is there any way I can fix it and/or report it?
[20:58] <MoonUnit`> cxdvty: yes
[20:58] <cxdvty> kubuntu kde plasma 5??? Moonunit`
[20:58] <MoonUnit`> yes
[20:58] <andrew321> one of the tools there is "genrang" but find /bin /usr/bin -name genrang yields nothing.
[21:34] <RegexNinja47>  Hi! I'm having trouble getting KDE working with vnc4server in Kubuntu 15.04. It just shows a blank grey screen. The contents of my log can be found here: pastebin.com/dnbuzu88
[21:34] <RegexNinja47> Can anyone help pinpoint the error? I can't seem to figure it out
[22:04] <cxdvty> Help plzzzzzzz
[22:04] <cxdvty> you guys still here?
[22:05] <ObrienDave> nope, am gone ;p
[22:06] <cxdvty> i tried to install the kubuntu 15.04 but the partitions got all messed up
[22:06] <cxdvty> Any way i can delete everything but my current ubuntu 14.04 lts so it can have the whole drive to itself again'
[22:07] <cxdvty> 0brienDave: ^^
[22:09] <cxdvty> Pleassseeee 0brienDave
[22:10] <ObrienDave> well, yes you can delete the unwanted partitions with gparted, expand out the wanted partitions and have the full drive again
[22:12] <cxdvty> guide me through it?
[22:12] <ObrienDave> not without screenshots of gparted
[22:13] <cxdvty> OMFG
[22:13] <cxdvty> im lost
[22:13] <cxdvty> i dont know what to do
[22:14] <cxdvty> my pc is done for right
[22:14] <ObrienDave> no, relax, keep it in #ubuntu for now