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| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:42 |
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| kalsa | Hi. How can I fix "An upgrade from 'vivid' to 'utopic' is not supported with this tool."? | 09:04 |
| lotuspsychje | kalsa: vivid is new then utopic, what you want is a downgrade? | 09:10 |
| lotuspsychje | newer | 09:10 |
| kalsa | lotuspsychje, I want Firefox 36 on this OS, but due to this error I cannot update. | 09:10 |
| lotuspsychje | !info firefox | 09:10 |
| ubottu | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 36.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1 (vivid), package size 40113 kB, installed size 95004 kB | 09:11 |
| lordievader | kalsa: Due what error? | 09:11 |
| kalsa | "An upgrade from 'vivid' to 'utopic' is not supported with this tool." | 09:11 |
| lordievader | kalsa: Could you pastebin the full error? | 09:12 |
| kalsa | lordievader, This is all that window includes. | 09:12 |
| lotuspsychje | kalsa: 14.10 also has firefox 36 | 09:14 |
| lotuspsychje | kalsa: not sure what you trying to do here... | 09:14 |
| kalsa | lotuspsychje, I've got Ubuntu 15.04 here but when I want to update then this windows appears. | 09:15 |
| lotuspsychje | update or upgrade? | 09:15 |
| kalsa | lotuspsychje, I go to Ubuntu ico, then type "software update", windows with "it's not possible to install all updates" appears. | 09:18 |
| kalsa | When I click "update partially" then this error message appears. | 09:18 |
| lotuspsychje | kalsa: try sudp apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade from terminal | 09:19 |
| kalsa | lotuspsychje, OK | 09:20 |
| kalsa | lotuspsychje, All went fine, only terminal said that I need to "apt-get autoremove" | 09:22 |
| lotuspsychje | kalsa: maybe some locked packages block your updates? | 09:23 |
| lotuspsychje | !info bleachbit | kalsa i recomend this to clean | 09:23 |
| lordievader | kalsa: So what version of FF do you have now? | 09:23 |
| lordievader | No | 09:23 |
| ubottu | kalsa i recomend this to clean: bleachbit (source: bleachbit): delete unnecessary files from the system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6-1 (vivid), package size 255 kB, installed size 1965 kB | 09:23 |
| lordievader | Bleachbit is dangerous, or so I've heared. | 09:24 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: never had any issue with it | 09:24 |
| kalsa | lordievader, An upgrade from 'vivid' to 'utopic' is not supported with this tool. | 09:24 |
| kalsa | lordievader, Still. | 09:24 |
| kalsa | lordievader, And now here is also "oneconf" error. | 09:25 |
| elfy | kalsa: no idea what it is you're trying to do - but no an upgrade from vivid to utopic is not going to be possible | 09:26 |
| lordievader | kalsa: I was after the output of 'apt-cache policy'. | 09:26 |
| kalsa | elfy, It's 15.04 here, not 14.10 | 09:26 |
| elfy | yes | 09:26 |
| elfy | you can't downgrade to 14.10 | 09:26 |
| kalsa | elfy, And I don't want to downgrade. | 09:27 |
| lotuspsychje | thats what im trying to tell him all the time | 09:27 |
| elfy | kalsa: so what are you doing that's trying to do it then? | 09:27 |
| kalsa | elfy, To get Firefox 36 from repository. | 09:27 |
| elfy | someone else might know - is it still in -proposed? | 09:28 |
| lotuspsychje | !info firefox | 09:29 |
| ubottu | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 36.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1 (vivid), package size 40113 kB, installed size 95004 kB | 09:29 |
| lotuspsychje | should be 36 already elfy | 09:29 |
| lotuspsychje | same for trusty and utopic | 09:29 |
| kalsa | lordievader, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10561165/ | 09:29 |
| elfy | yea was being lazy :) I grabbed it from proposed | 09:29 |
| lotuspsychje | kalsa: can you apt-cache show firefox to see wich version your on? | 09:33 |
| lordievader | Ugh I wasn't awake yet... | 09:39 |
| lordievader | apt-cache policy != apt-cache policy firefox | 09:40 |
| kalsa | Is there a solution for this problem? | 09:57 |
| elfy | kalsa: what is the result from apt-cache policy firefox | 09:57 |
| kalsa | elfy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10561165/ | 09:58 |
| elfy | that is not the result of apt-cache policy firefox | 09:58 |
| kalsa | elfy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10561266/ | 10:01 |
| elfy | looking at the mirrors - the Polish ones appear to be behind, try changing mirror to Main server, then apt-get update and upgrade again | 10:03 |
| elfy | also - do you have proposed enabled? if you do - disable it then do the above | 10:04 |
| kalsa | elfy, OK, doing. May be problemm in polish mirror? | 10:10 |
| elfy | possibly | 10:21 |
| kalsa | elfy, It seems that it may work. Thanks. | 10:35 |
| elfy | welcome :) | 10:37 |
| elichai2 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1429552 | 11:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1429552 in linux (Ubuntu) "0cf3:3004 - Qualcom Atheros - Ubuntu 14.10 bluetooth not working" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:57 |
| elichai2 | i want to test kernel version 3.19 to check if it will fix some of my problems | 12:05 |
| elichai2 | how can i do it? | 12:05 |
| elichai2 | (without upgrading to vivid) | 12:05 |
| MoonUnit` | download the debs appropriate for your system then install with dpkg http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.19.1-vivid/ | 12:07 |
| knittl | hi. currently Xorg is not starting on my system | 12:34 |
| knittl | I deleted the Xorg.0.log file and after a reboot it's still missing | 12:34 |
| knittl | the boot process simply stop at the bootsplash | 12:34 |
| knittl | hm. maybe I should try one of the old 3.18 kernels | 12:35 |
| penguin42 | do you get anything in /var/log/lightdm ? | 12:36 |
| knittl | hmm. I'm using gdm | 12:38 |
| penguin42 | ok | 12:38 |
| penguin42 | anything in gdm logs ? | 12:38 |
| knittl | no luck with 3.18 though | 12:38 |
| knittl | hm weird. the most recent logfiles of gdm are named (null)-greeter.log.1 | 12:39 |
| penguin42 | you could try starting X manually and see what happens - maybe it's not getting anywhere near that far? | 12:40 |
| knittl | startx says 'timeout locking .Xauthority' | 12:40 |
| knittl | hm. must startx be run as root? | 12:41 |
| penguin42 | hmm is that because there's another X startup trying to run? | 12:41 |
| knittl | greeter.log contains as last line 'Activated service 'org.gnome.ScreenSaver' failed: Process org.gnome.ScreenSaver exited with status 1' | 12:42 |
| penguin42 | I wouldn't have *thought* that the screensaver is a big issue? | 12:44 |
| knittl | executing startx as root now | 12:44 |
| knittl | I think the screensaver is also the lockscreen - so it's security related | 12:44 |
| knittl | hm. now gnome runs as root. that's not what I wanted to achieve | 12:44 |
| knittl | and I don't see my mouse cursor ... | 12:45 |
| penguin42 | ok, so if X is starting that does say it's not graphics driver related? | 12:45 |
| knittl | I don't think so | 12:46 |
| knittl | although that was my first guess, which prompted me to uninstall nvidia and switch to nouveau | 12:46 |
| knittl | let's start elinks and google for that log message | 12:46 |
| knittl | this looks like it could get me near the solution: gnome-session[19609]: CRITICAL: Unable to create a DBus proxy for GnomeScreensaver: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.ScreenSaver: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.ScreenSaver exited with status 1 | 12:52 |
| knittl | hm. systemctl status says gdm is running | 13:02 |
| knittl | wait a second. ps shows gnome-wayland-whatever | 13:03 |
| penguin42 | oh I don't know how that works | 13:07 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 14:24 |
| foormea | hello! installed kubuntu 15.04 yesterday. pretty happy overall! i'm noticing that bash completion with sudo seems broken -- is there any quick fix for that? | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | foormea: What were you tab completing | 15:00 |
| foormea | aptitude | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | are you sure it worked on 14.10 ? | 15:00 |
| foormea | actually... it's not with sudo that it's broken. in user mode it's the same, with aptitude at least | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | what exactly are you trying to complete? | 15:00 |
| foormea | penguin42: yeah, 100% sure, i've got another station with 14.10 that has bash completion working for aptitude | 15:00 |
| foormea | apti<tab> sh<tab> <start typing package name> | 15:01 |
| foormea | for aptitude show <package> | 15:01 |
| foormea | for example | 15:01 |
| Daekdroom | foormea, does it work with apt-get? | 15:01 |
| foormea | Daekdroom: no | 15:01 |
| Daekdroom | foormea, does it work with a different terminal (gnome-terminal, e.g.)? | 15:01 |
| foormea | Daekdroom: let me try | 15:01 |
| foormea | Daekdroom: works in text console! | 15:02 |
| * penguin42 would blame bash-completion and file a bug then | 15:02 | |
| foormea | yeah? let me see how/where to file a bug, been ages since i last did that | 15:03 |
| penguin42 | launchpad | 15:03 |
| Daekdroom | foormea, ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc are config files needed for completion to work properly, but I guess there's nothing wrong with them if text console works. | 15:03 |
| penguin42 | foormea: If you've got a launchpad account just do ubuntu-bug bash-completion | 15:03 |
| Daekdroom | Anyway, there are template files for .profile and .bashrc under /etc/skel | 15:03 |
| foormea | penguin42: wow that's pretty cool. don't have an account but will create one now :) | 15:03 |
| foormea | so i just re-checked just to be sure, in text console, completion on aptitude works just fine, same for sudo aptitude | 15:04 |
| penguin42 | hmm that's odd | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | foormea: SO it works in text console but not your gnome terminal? | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | that's weird | 15:06 |
| Daekdroom | KDE uses konsole, iirc. | 15:07 |
| foormea | penguin42: my kde terminal, konsole | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | foormea: Hmm, yeh so hmm | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | that is weird | 15:07 |
| MoonUnit` | i needed to add the bash completion lines to .bashrc when i installed vivid. | 15:07 |
| Daekdroom | I had the same issue in my system when I installed Kubuntu but I was lacking ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc | 15:07 |
| foormea | Daekdroom: this is a fresh install let me check that just to be sure | 15:08 |
| penguin42 | Daekdroom: But it should pick bash completion up from /etc/profile and shouldn't need your own settings | 15:08 |
| foormea | Daekdroom: guess what | 15:08 |
| foormea | no ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile | 15:08 |
| Daekdroom | Copy those from /etc/skel and see if it works. | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | oh yeh, there's an include for it | 15:09 |
| foormea | ok | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | OK, so what's that a bug in? Something somewhere didn't copy the skel files during user creation | 15:09 |
| foormea | is that a bug that the installer didn't copy them during install? | 15:09 |
| Daekdroom | Is it a new /home as well? | 15:09 |
| Daekdroom | Or did you use an old user folder? | 15:09 |
| foormea | nope, new | 15:09 |
| Daekdroom | Most likely installer, then. | 15:09 |
| lordievader | What do I need to do to get systemd working with an nfs-root? It tries to mount the rootfs but complains that the device is busy. | 15:10 |
| foormea | started all fresh on brand new desktop computer :) | 15:10 |
| foormea | and... tada! working perfectly now | 15:10 |
| foormea | thank you Daekdroom and penguin42. ok so... ubuntu-bug to... is the installer called ubiquity?? | 15:10 |
| Daekdroom | yeah | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | foormea: Yeh I guess so, but I'd assume that the installer calls something else to create the users so I'm a big confused | 15:11 |
| foormea | i'm guessing ubiquity guys would know who to forward the bug to, though | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | yeh it's a good bet | 15:11 |
| elfy | lordievader: not sure if it's the same thing but nfs was one thing holding systemd release up, fixed apparently there bug 1312976 | 15:13 |
| ubottu | bug 1312976 in rpcbind (Debian) "Make NFS client/server work under systemd" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312976 | 15:13 |
| lordievader | elfy: After a while it does continue to boot. But with an ro disk. Trying _netdev now. | 15:15 |
| foormea | ok guys, many thanks. bye! | 15:16 |
| cxdvty | Hi all \ | 15:46 |
| cxdvty | Hi all * | 15:46 |
| lordievader | o/ | 15:52 |
| cxdvty | What changes to we expect to see in ubuntu 15.04 lts? | 16:05 |
| k1l_ | 15.04 is no lts | 16:06 |
| k1l_ | 14.04 is and 16.04 will be lts | 16:06 |
| cxdvty | Do you think it will be better than 14.04 and 14.10 tho? | 16:07 |
| k1l_ | from tomorrow on it will have full systemd as init system. that is quite a big change | 16:07 |
| lordievader | cxdvty: Kubuntu has Plasma5 as default on Vivid. That is rather nice. | 16:07 |
| cxdvty | Awesome | 16:07 |
| cxdvty | Will you guys be upgrading? | 16:08 |
| cxdvty | I need a dev friendly environment d: | 16:08 |
| Daekdroom | I'm upgraded already. | 16:08 |
| cxdvty | how? Daekdroom | 16:08 |
| k1l_ | i am already on 15.04 | 16:09 |
| lordievader | cxdvty: Already running Vivid. | 16:09 |
| cxdvty | You guys already have it? | 16:09 |
| cxdvty | How? | 16:09 |
| cxdvty | Is it in beta or just early release type deal? | 16:09 |
| lordievader | cxdvty: Still beta. | 16:10 |
| cxdvty | Is it very buggy? | 16:10 |
| k1l_ | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule | 16:10 |
| lordievader | cxdvty: But a simple change in /etc/apt/sources.list and an apt-get dist-upgrade will do the trick. However, running a development release is not recommended unless you know what you are doing. | 16:10 |
| k1l_ | lordievader: nope cxdvty dont do that | 16:10 |
| k1l_ | use the "-d" switch on the update-manager or do-release-upgrade | 16:11 |
| cxdvty | Okay | 16:11 |
| cxdvty | So how buggy is it? | 16:11 |
| cxdvty | Will I be pleased if i switch to it? | 16:11 |
| k1l_ | if you need to ask that dont go with alpha/beta | 16:11 |
| lordievader | k1l_: That does pretty much the same thing. I usually do it like I said above as I upgrade rather early in the development process. | 16:12 |
| k1l_ | they are quite stable because the packages get automated testings. but there is a risk that one day it will just break your system. | 16:12 |
| lordievader | Like tommorow, with the switch to systemd ;) | 16:12 |
| k1l_ | lordievader: nope. PPA handling etc are very different on your dirty way. | 16:12 |
| cxdvty | Okay so do I need to switch to beta or stay on 14.04? | 16:13 |
| lordievader | I don't use ppa's ;) | 16:13 |
| lordievader | cxdvty: Stay on Trusty. | 16:13 |
| k1l_ | cxdvty: if you want to go to 15.04 you need to change to 14.10 first. | 16:13 |
| cxdvty | I want to know the risks of doing so d: | 16:13 |
| k1l_ | lordievader: so you do bad advice to other users because you dont use that :/ | 16:13 |
| MoonUnit` | have problems turning of the pc since i switched to systemd, hopefully it will get fixed soon. | 16:14 |
| MoonUnit` | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1427672 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1427672 in systemd (Ubuntu) "System doesn't power off when shutting down" [High,Confirmed] | 16:14 |
| lordievader | k1l_: Ok, I'll recommend to use the do-release-update tool next time. | 16:15 |
| cxdvty | k1l: If you were in my shoes would you switch to 15.04 beta? d: I trust YOUR opinion | 16:15 |
| BluesKaj | or do-release-upgrade -d | 16:16 |
| k1l_ | cxdvty: i am already on 15.04. as i said: it is quite stable because of the automated testings. but there is still a risk that you cant boot your system one day. | 16:16 |
| k1l_ | so if you need a stable system (for work etc....) dont go with alpha/betas :) or have a backup system :) | 16:17 |
| cxdvty | How big is the risk | 16:17 |
| cxdvty | I just like to surf the web and listen to spotify lol | 16:17 |
| k1l_ | tomorrow there will be a big change on the init system. so that can really cause a lot of issues. nobody knows so far. | 16:17 |
| BluesKaj | one has to install the gpu driver on nvidia gpus before installing systemd-sysv for permanent systemd boot..that's what I found due to the nvidia-prime bug | 16:18 |
| cxdvty | Wait do the changes automatically get put into our system | 16:18 |
| cxdvty | Or is it in an update | 16:18 |
| k1l_ | you run the usual updates | 16:19 |
| cxdvty | Okay | 16:19 |
| cxdvty | As long as my system doesnt die im cool lol | 16:19 |
| k1l_ | that is exactly the only reason not to use alpha/beta | 16:20 |
| cxdvty | Well What are the chances lol | 16:20 |
| k1l_ | cxdvty: 99,9999% | 16:20 |
| cxdvty | Okay so i have this pc from castle rental | 16:21 |
| ObrienDave | that's optimistic ;p | 16:21 |
| cxdvty | I had a warranty | 16:21 |
| k1l_ | 99,999% of breaking :) | 16:21 |
| ObrienDave | oh, yes, that ;P | 16:21 |
| cxdvty | If i wipe the drive if the beta messes it up can they say my warranty is voided if i have an empty harddrive? d: | 16:21 |
| k1l_ | if it doesnt break you are the lucky one :) | 16:21 |
| lordievader | Systemd broke my netboot :( | 16:22 |
| cxdvty | k1l_: If it breaks will I still be able to boot from cd or usb :P | 16:22 |
| k1l_ | yes of course. it will not cut your pc in half :) | 16:23 |
| * ObrienDave sighs | 16:24 | |
| lordievader | Hehe, that'll be something. | 16:24 |
| penguin42 | k1l_: Well, there was once a bug that bricked a range of samsung laptops | 16:25 |
| k1l_ | yeah, the kernel issue. the birth of the hardware enablement stack :) | 16:26 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, do you own this pc or are renting/leasing , if so best to check your cient agreement | 16:26 |
| penguin42 | cxdvty: Make sure that you have the reinstallation CD for the machine; then you should be able to reinstall the original image if ubuntu doesn't work | 16:27 |
| MoonUnit` | i've been using fsarchiver to make image backups of my root partition before any big updates. | 16:29 |
| cxdvty | penguin42: Castle didnt give me one | 16:41 |
| cxdvty | Blueskaj: I'm renting it | 16:41 |
| cxdvty | I'm paying it off from castle rental | 16:42 |
| BluesKaj | then check your agreement with the rental company about making changes to the PC's OS etc | 16:43 |
| ObrienDave | there should be a recovery partition for windows | 16:43 |
| cxdvty | Ok | 16:43 |
| cxdvty | I have ran dban several times | 16:43 |
| ObrienDave | so much for the recovery | 16:44 |
| BluesKaj | then it's definitely too late | 16:45 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, i guess you "own" it now | 16:45 |
| cxdvty | Lol so i shouldn't run beta | 16:45 |
| cxdvty | Got it d: | 16:45 |
| cxdvty | I could get a .iso of the original os and install it and stuff then take it back | 16:46 |
| ObrienDave | that might work | 16:47 |
| cxdvty | I am a sucker for new versions of anything d: | 17:19 |
| ObrienDave | am here and several other channels also ;p | 17:25 |
| cxdvty | 0brienDave: Are you running the 15.04? | 17:25 |
| ObrienDave | no 14.04 lts | 17:26 |
| ObrienDave | tired of the 6 month reinstall garbage | 17:26 |
| cxdvty | What do you mean by that? | 17:27 |
| ObrienDave | every 6 months reinstalling the latest OS. with LTS i have 3 years of support | 17:28 |
| cxdvty | oh true | 17:28 |
| ObrienDave | 5 years on server | 17:28 |
| cxdvty | But would it be dumb to switch from lts to a beta d: | 17:28 |
| cxdvty | I feel like these people were messing with me | 17:29 |
| ObrienDave | 15.04 life span is 9 months. thanks but no thanks | 17:29 |
| BluesKaj | i like the challenge of dev releases , altho 15.04 adoptiong plasma5/KF5 was somewhat premature in my estimation | 17:29 |
| cxdvty | Everyone is telling me its for sure going to mess up my system d: If that's true why is everyone running it? :P | 17:29 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I've been running it on 14.10 for a while and now have it on my f21 box, and yeh it's a bit early still; but frankly nothing is getting fixed in kde4 any more | 17:30 |
| cxdvty | I agree with BluesKaj | 17:30 |
| ObrienDave | i like the latest and greatest also but when they dropped 18 month support, i switched to LTS only | 17:31 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, they had enough sense to leave dolphin alone til KDE5 is officially released (I think) | 17:31 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I'm finding the panel still a bit flaky | 17:32 |
| cxdvty | Lol on youtube 15.04 looks just the same as 14.04 lol so whats the point? | 17:33 |
| lordievader | ObrienDave: Trusty also has 5 years on the desktop. | 17:33 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, I don't like the fact the individual background option for the virtual desktops is gone. It can be with actitvities but I'm an actitvities user | 17:33 |
| BluesKaj | not an activites user rather | 17:34 |
| ObrienDave | lordievader, not Xubuntu, 3 years | 17:34 |
| cxdvty | 0brienDave what do you use? | 17:34 |
| cxdvty | Lubuntu? kubuntu? | 17:34 |
| lordievader | ObrienDave: Ah, I see. | 17:35 |
| ObrienDave | Xubuntu | 17:36 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, some settings like icon size etc don't seem to work for the panel | 17:36 |
| cxdvty | Which one is cinnamon desktop | 17:36 |
| ObrienDave | cinnamon | 17:36 |
| ObrienDave | it's not an official DE | 17:37 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Yeh, and I can't see how to add a new icon to the panel; I can add it using the task manager to do a 'create an icon for when the application isn't running' but it doesn't let me position it and the icons are much smaller than the old icons I could place | 17:37 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: although interestingly an icon I've already placed is still there - not sure how I managed that | 17:37 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, i just dragged the icon into the panel beside the kicker from the kmenu | 17:38 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Well I just tried that on my 14.10 install and while it made a space, the icon hasn't appeared | 17:39 |
| penguin42 | (actually the space it made is rather wide - about 5-6 times the width of the icon) | 17:39 |
| BluesKaj | whoa ,. that's starnge behaviour | 17:40 |
| BluesKaj | err strange | 17:40 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 17:40 |
| penguin42 | I'm sure the panel behaviour is getting worse and worse over releases | 17:40 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, yeah, losing some options on plasma 5..let's hope the missing are restored with the KDE5release | 17:44 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: You're not going to bet on that are you? | 17:45 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, well no , that's why I'm keeping my 14.10 plasma4 install :)\ | 17:45 |
| MoonUnit` | yeah they are a bit small, ended up making the panel higher to rescale the icons | 17:46 |
| BluesKaj | actually MoonUnit` the icons here on 15.04 are too large so reducing the panel height was the only available fix | 17:47 |
| cxdvty | what is the snappiest most beautiful lookin flavor of ubuntu | 17:48 |
| MoonUnit` | wish i could tighten up the desktop icons, too wide apart for my liking. | 17:48 |
| ObrienDave | cxdvty, that depends on your point of view | 17:50 |
| BluesKaj | another one I miss is the quicklaunch, it was compact compared to the taskmanger launch on plasma 54 | 17:51 |
| BluesKaj | 5 | 17:51 |
| BluesKaj | thereby I don't need to clutter the desktop with icons | 17:55 |
| ObrienDave | you should see my windows desktop, must have 50 icons | 17:56 |
| BluesKaj | ObrienDave, web shortcuts no doubt :) | 17:58 |
| * penguin42 has a few desktop icons | 17:58 | |
| ObrienDave | BluesKaj, no web shortcuts, apps only ;P | 17:59 |
| k1l_ | desktop icons? aint no body got time for dat ;p | 17:59 |
| BluesKaj | k1l_, it's a matter of personal preference | 18:00 |
| * penguin42 has one to start a separate firefox instance | 18:00 | |
| ObrienDave | i'm too lazy to look through 200 folders in my start menu ;p | 18:01 |
| k1l_ | penguin42: on unity i just make a middle click on the firefox icon in the launcher bar for that. | 18:01 |
| penguin42 | k1l_: No, a separate instance with a different profile that runs in safe mode | 18:01 |
| k1l_ | ah ok | 18:02 |
| k1l_ | i bet you could make another starter for that in that bar, too. | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | k1l_: Konsole output -new-instance -no-remote -safe-mode -private -P Private | 18:02 |
| k1l_ | but everyone got another workflow | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | k1l_: Yeh, I've got a .desktop file for it, I can put it any where | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | ok, ok what's started doing that?! | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | pasting text from Konsole is now prepending 'Konsole output' | 18:03 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, may I the purpose of FF in safemode? | 18:03 |
| BluesKaj | ask | 18:03 |
| k1l_ | penguin42: what client? | 18:03 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Things of medium privateness - not banking stuff, but things where I want to run it in reasonable safety | 18:03 |
| penguin42 | k1l_: That's Pidgin on 14.10 kubuntu (kde5) here, with synergy and the konsole I was pasting from is on Fedora21 with KDE 5 | 18:04 |
| penguin42 | it didn't do that last week | 18:04 |
| k1l_ | that sounds like a hell of a setup :) | 18:04 |
| BluesKaj | ok , did you see the vulnerability published by MS today about all mobile browsers which now include MS pcs as well | 18:05 |
| * penguin42 has two machines; I run the IRC on this old laptop screen | 18:05 | |
| k1l_ | maybe pidgin is prefacing pastes with console output? | 18:05 |
| penguin42 | k1l_: It didn't used to; and the 'Konsole output' makes me think it's coming from the other box | 18:05 |
| penguin42 | anyway, back in ~20 while I make a crumble | 18:06 |
| k1l_ | nice | 18:06 |
| * penguin42 returns | 18:33 | |
| k1l_ | gimme my crumble ;p | 18:33 |
| penguin42 | it's in the oven | 18:33 |
| ObrienDave | ooooooooooo crumble cake??? i want some | 18:36 |
| penguin42 | no, crumble, not cake | 18:39 |
| penguin42 | apple and pear crumble | 18:39 |
| penguin42 | (pear because I had to cut some bits out of my apple so I made it up by adding a pear) | 18:39 |
| elfy | that sounds yum :) | 18:54 |
| cxdvty | 0brienDave: Okay so I love linux mint 17.1 rebecca cinnamon, but I want to use ubuntu, Which flavor is good for me | 18:59 |
| cxdvty | And is it snappy quick and no bugs or anything? | 18:59 |
| ObrienDave | cxdvty, most flavors of ubuntu are the same just different DEs | 19:02 |
| cxdvty | Ohhh ok | 19:02 |
| cxdvty | do you like mate? | 19:02 |
| cxdvty | I'm really wanting to try ubuntu mate lol but its in beta and I really dont want to mess up my harddrive switching os to os | 19:02 |
| ObrienDave | yes, for the most part but Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the 'lightest' | 19:03 |
| k1l_ | cxdvty: there is mate-ubuntu which got the old gnome2 look | 19:03 |
| k1l_ | if you want lightweight i would recommend Xubuntu or more lightweight Lubuntu | 19:03 |
| elfy | cxdvty: try them in virtual machines if you've got hardware to cope | 19:03 |
| ObrienDave | what elfy said | 19:03 |
| cxdvty | elfy: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#es_th=1&q=asus%20k53u%20specs | 19:04 |
| cxdvty | Check out my specs and tell me what you think lol im too new to this d: | 19:04 |
| elfy | I'd guess so | 19:07 |
| MoonUnit` | thought it was said 'mayt' but on the linux unglugged podcast they say 'mar-tay' | 19:07 |
| cxdvty | Okay | 19:07 |
| MoonUnit` | *unplugged | 19:08 |
| elfy | unglugged sounds so much better :) | 19:09 |
| MoonUnit` | :) | 19:09 |
| cxdvty | Who all is running the 15.04 beta | 19:15 |
| MoonUnit` | me | 19:15 |
| elfy | the beta is old hat :) | 19:15 |
| elfy | I'm running the post beta 1, pre final beta | 19:15 |
| cxdvty | Is it dangerous to run? | 19:16 |
| cxdvty | I am downloading kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso yet nobody will tell me if it is dangerous | 19:16 |
| elfy | I've never found any os dangerous - but I don't stick fingers where they shouldn't be stuck | 19:16 |
| ObrienDave | sound advice | 19:16 |
| elfy | it's not dangerous - it is pre-release | 19:17 |
| cxdvty | So my download is okay? :D | 19:17 |
| cxdvty | good | 19:17 |
| elfy | so it could be unbootable if something breaks | 19:17 |
| elfy | just don't run it on it's own, dual boot at least | 19:17 |
| ObrienDave | VM | 19:17 |
| ObrienDave | to try | 19:18 |
| cxdvty | You seen my system specs | 19:18 |
| cxdvty | Can I dualboot without any issues? | 19:18 |
| MoonUnit` | only problem i have is shutting the pc down with systemd installed, i make an root image backup before any big dist-upgrades. | 19:18 |
| elfy | MoonUnit`: I saw people having that issue | 19:18 |
| cxdvty | elfy: Do I need to do anything special to dualboot or does ubuntu do all the partition stuff for me upon installation | 19:19 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty,yes I'm dual booting 14.10 and 15.04, always have a backup OS | 19:19 |
| elfy | cxdvty: well - you'd need to download the released one as well | 19:20 |
| cxdvty | elfy: what do you mean? what is that | 19:20 |
| cxdvty | and you missed my question BluesKaj | 19:20 |
| elfy | cxdvty: were you the person who'd dbann'd their driver? | 19:20 |
| cxdvty | Yes | 19:20 |
| elfy | ok - so empty hdd | 19:20 |
| cxdvty | So what do I have to do | 19:21 |
| elfy | grab 14.10 AND 15.04 | 19:21 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, as elfy just suggested | 19:21 |
| cxdvty | I already have ubuntu installed | 19:21 |
| cxdvty | Im on the pc i dbanned | 19:21 |
| elfy | mmm - not got time to go through the pro's and con's of partition schemes | 19:21 |
| elfy | but I would - create a couple of 15Gb partitions for /, create a swap partition, create another partition for data | 19:22 |
| cxdvty | what? | 19:23 |
| cxdvty | I'm a noob sorry ^.^ | 19:23 |
| elfy | then install 14.10 in of the 15Gb, 15.04 in the other - use the big partition for data | 19:23 |
| cxdvty | Can you help me set it up\ | 19:23 |
| elfy | yea I understand that - I've not got time to talk about partition schemes atm - but there are 147 other people in here :) | 19:23 |
| cxdvty | I've never done partitions before | 19:24 |
| elfy | well ... | 19:24 |
| elfy | what I would say is that now's an ideal time to learn and given that the drive is empty you're not going to cause yourself issues :) | 19:24 |
| cxdvty | Its not empty lol | 19:25 |
| cxdvty | I installed ubuntu 14.04 on it | 19:25 |
| cxdvty | 'm on it right now | 19:25 |
| MoonUnit` | having a separate home partition defiantly makes changing distro's easier. | 19:25 |
| cxdvty | elfy: ^^ | 19:25 |
| elfy | cxdvty: aah ok - so it was empty it's not now | 19:25 |
| cxdvty | yes it has 14.04 on it | 19:25 |
| cxdvty | So what do i do? | 19:25 |
| cxdvty | Just boot from the 15.04 image and click install alongside ubuntu 14.04 and let it do its magic? | 19:26 |
| elfy | MoonUnit`: well - I only ever worry about 4 or 5 things in /home and they're linked to other partitions | 19:26 |
| elfy | cxdvty: yep | 19:26 |
| cxdvty | And when im ready to just have one os | 19:26 |
| cxdvty | How can i go back to normal? | 19:26 |
| elfy | MoonUnit`: so I don't seperate /home anymore | 19:26 |
| elfy | cxdvty: you would reinstall grub on the one you wanted to keep then remove the partition of the one you don't | 19:27 |
| cxdvty | Does it slow down your pc to dualboot? :P | 19:27 |
| elfy | MoonUnit`: though that said, given I run xubuntu qa I rarely use anything but the dev version, I think I used the released 14.10 for 2 hours | 19:28 |
| elfy | cxdvty: no | 19:28 |
| cxdvty | Okay thank you ^.^ | 19:28 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, since you've already wiped the HDD then use the legacy mode in the UEFI/BIOS with secure boot disabled and you dual boot just fine. | 19:28 |
| cxdvty | So upon boot how do i choose my os? | 19:28 |
| BluesKaj | !grub | 19:29 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 19:29 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, grub bootloader will be installed and you can choose from the grub menu which OS to uise | 19:30 |
| cxdvty | Okay | 19:30 |
| cxdvty | Anything special i need to do when i install the 15.04 beta1? :p | 19:30 |
| elfy | not anymore than you are - asking things :) | 19:31 |
| cxdvty | Sorry haha trying to stay safe | 19:32 |
| elfy | not complaining - you're doing the right thing :) | 19:32 |
| elfy | and that's what this channel's for | 19:32 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, prepartition your hdd before installing any OSs to 2 ext4 partitions at least , it's easier in the long run | 19:33 |
| elfy | BluesKaj: he's got 14.04 installed already | 19:33 |
| cxdvty | Isn't kde plasma just beautiful :') | 19:34 |
| elfy | anyway - time for me to toddle off | 19:34 |
| cxdvty | Its like the lollipop of ubuntu | 19:34 |
| elfy | cxdvty: good luck with it | 19:34 |
| BluesKaj | ok right , forgot about that | 19:34 |
| cxdvty | So bluesKaj nothing special to install after installing 15.04 beta1? | 19:35 |
| cxdvty | I seen you mention earlier something you installed | 19:35 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, thyere are options, but you'll want to make sure all is fine first with the install as it is | 19:36 |
| cxdvty | okay and how do i do that? | 19:36 |
| BluesKaj | just make sure it boots and runs ok | 19:37 |
| BluesKaj | if not , we're here to help | 19:37 |
| cxdvty | Okay C: | 19:38 |
| cxdvty | someone told me that running the 15.04 is 99.99 % sure to mess up your pc | 19:38 |
| cxdvty | How is it working for you? | 19:40 |
| cxdvty | Better than past ubuntu versions so far? | 19:41 |
| cxdvty | BluesKaj: ^^ | 19:43 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, it's more breakable due to the introduction of plasma 5KF5 into the mix | 19:45 |
| cxdvty | Define breakable? | 19:45 |
| BluesKaj | kubuntu that is, I don't run ubuntu | 19:46 |
| cxdvty | I am downloading the kubuntu just because of plasma XD | 19:46 |
| cxdvty | Are you on it right now | 19:46 |
| BluesKaj | breakable in this case is , the inability to boot in to OS at login , seems to be the most common problem | 19:47 |
| BluesKaj | yes I am | 19:48 |
| cxdvty | But there are some people who have no problem? | 19:48 |
| cxdvty | Because I am definately feeling lucky today lol | 19:48 |
| BluesKaj | no problems atm | 19:48 |
| cxdvty | Good | 19:48 |
| cxdvty | How is the speed? | 19:48 |
| BluesKaj | that depends a ,ot on your hardware | 19:48 |
| BluesKaj | lot | 19:48 |
| cxdvty | I have good hardware | 19:49 |
| cxdvty | linux mint was pretty snappy when i used it | 19:49 |
| BluesKaj | then you should be fine | 19:49 |
| cxdvty | I'm just concerned about slowing down due to dual boot | 19:49 |
| cxdvty | why is the usb image creator stuck on 52% :') | 19:50 |
| BluesKaj | it's faster on my 1 yr old laptop than this 7 yr old dektop, but that's to be expected | 19:50 |
| cxdvty | Do you use unetbootin or?? | 19:51 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, dual boot doesn't slow it down | 19:51 |
| BluesKaj | no I use dd | 19:51 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-burn-a-iso-to-a-usb-device | 19:53 |
| cxdvty | thank you | 19:54 |
| cxdvty | usb is sd1 right | 19:56 |
| cxdvty | or sdc | 19:56 |
| penguin42 | that depends | 19:57 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, definitely not sda | 19:57 |
| cxdvty | dd: failed to open ‘kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso’: No such file or directory | 19:58 |
| cxdvty | nvrm i got it | 19:59 |
| cxdvty | my usb is sdb1 | 19:59 |
| cxdvty | How long does this take | 19:59 |
| penguin42 | cxdvty: Be careful, do the instructions tell you to use sd?1 or sd? | 19:59 |
| cxdvty | sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1 | 20:00 |
| cxdvty | thats what i did | 20:00 |
| BluesKaj | use bs=1M at the end of the command to make the copy faster , not long a just a few mins | 20:00 |
| cxdvty | BluesKaj: Was that command ok | 20:00 |
| penguin42 | cxdvty: I don't think you want the '1' at the end | 20:01 |
| penguin42 | cxdvty: The '1' is causing it to write to the partition rather than the raw disk | 20:01 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, the file path to the image has to be exact | 20:01 |
| cxdvty | sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1 | 20:03 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, for example dd if=~/Downloads/kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso | 20:03 |
| cxdvty | its in my home folder | 20:03 |
| cxdvty | cxdvty@cxdvty-K53U:~$ sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M | 20:04 |
| cxdvty | [sudo] password for cxdvty: | 20:04 |
| cxdvty | sudo dd if=kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1 | 20:04 |
| cxdvty | thats what happened | 20:04 |
| cxdvty | Now its just a blinking cursor | 20:04 |
| BluesKaj | look in your system monitor for cpu load , then you'll know it's copying, the bliniking curor after the command isnormal without the monitor/speed option | 20:06 |
| cxdvty | My system got VERY laggy when i started the dd | 20:08 |
| cxdvty | BluesKaj: ^^ | 20:08 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, so the image was in your home dir ? | 20:08 |
| cxdvty | yes | 20:09 |
| BluesKaj | ok | 20:09 |
| cxdvty | i put it there | 20:09 |
| cxdvty | so since my system got all laggy does that mean its copying lol | 20:11 |
| BluesKaj | most likely | 20:11 |
| cxdvty | I just got ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error lol | 20:11 |
| cxdvty | It's been going for a while now | 20:13 |
| BluesKaj | if you didn't use the blocksize bs=1M at the end of the command it could a long time , for the kubuntu image 1.2G it should take about 10 mins or so | 20:18 |
| cxdvty | its done | 20:19 |
| BluesKaj | ok | 20:19 |
| cxdvty | Ill login kubuntu xchat under the same name | 20:19 |
| cxdvty | stay here plz | 20:19 |
| cxdvty | didnt work | 20:24 |
| cxdvty | Said somethinglinux was missing or corrupt | 20:24 |
| MoonUnit` | i've had problems booting the beta1 iso, complains about (iirc) /dev/sr0 /dev/sr1 missing even though i was booting from flash. | 20:25 |
| MoonUnit` | sometimes took a few tries to get it to boot properly. | 20:26 |
| cxdvty | MoonUnit? | 20:34 |
| MoonUnit` | yes | 20:34 |
| cxdvty | is it normal for the startup disk creator app to stop at 52% for a while? | 20:35 |
| MoonUnit` | don't think so. | 20:35 |
| BluesKaj | cxdvty, your image may be corrupt | 20:37 |
| cxdvty | u use kubuntu 15.04? | 20:37 |
| cxdvty | brb ima reboot | 20:38 |
| cxdvty | BluesKaj: ?? you there | 20:44 |
| BluesKaj | yup | 20:44 |
| cxdvty | its a bad iso file?' | 20:44 |
| BluesKaj | check the MD5 sum on the iso file | 20:45 |
| cxdvty | how | 20:46 |
| cxdvty | ? | 20:47 |
| MoonUnit` | ee@kubuntu:~$ md5sum kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso | 20:47 |
| MoonUnit` | b4e81c6c43eb1ec21ac4be022006f086 kubuntu-15.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso | 20:47 |
| BluesKaj | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto | 20:48 |
| cxdvty | it needs to match that number you put? BluesKaj | 20:49 |
| BluesKaj | well , it's been a long day and it's time for other things ...laters | 20:49 |
| BluesKaj | that was MoonUnit` | 20:49 |
| cxdvty | moonUnit`: numbers match | 20:50 |
| cxdvty | that mean its good? | 20:52 |
| MoonUnit` | yes | 20:52 |
| cxdvty | are you on kubuntu plasma beta | 20:57 |
| andrew321 | hello, I've installed (apt-get install) package "nauty" without problem on my Ubuntu 14.10 but I am having trouble on my Ubuntu 15.04 -- installation finishes but I get "program is currently not installed..." . Is there any way I can fix it and/or report it? | 20:57 |
| MoonUnit` | cxdvty: yes | 20:58 |
| cxdvty | kubuntu kde plasma 5??? Moonunit` | 20:58 |
| MoonUnit` | yes | 20:58 |
| andrew321 | one of the tools there is "genrang" but find /bin /usr/bin -name genrang yields nothing. | 20:58 |
| RegexNinja47 | Hi! I'm having trouble getting KDE working with vnc4server in Kubuntu 15.04. It just shows a blank grey screen. The contents of my log can be found here: pastebin.com/dnbuzu88 | 21:34 |
| RegexNinja47 | Can anyone help pinpoint the error? I can't seem to figure it out | 21:34 |
| cxdvty | Help plzzzzzzz | 22:04 |
| cxdvty | you guys still here? | 22:04 |
| ObrienDave | nope, am gone ;p | 22:05 |
| cxdvty | i tried to install the kubuntu 15.04 but the partitions got all messed up | 22:06 |
| cxdvty | Any way i can delete everything but my current ubuntu 14.04 lts so it can have the whole drive to itself again' | 22:06 |
| cxdvty | 0brienDave: ^^ | 22:07 |
| cxdvty | Pleassseeee 0brienDave | 22:09 |
| ObrienDave | well, yes you can delete the unwanted partitions with gparted, expand out the wanted partitions and have the full drive again | 22:10 |
| cxdvty | guide me through it? | 22:12 |
| ObrienDave | not without screenshots of gparted | 22:12 |
| cxdvty | OMFG | 22:13 |
| cxdvty | im lost | 22:13 |
| cxdvty | i dont know what to do | 22:13 |
| cxdvty | my pc is done for right | 22:14 |
| ObrienDave | no, relax, keep it in #ubuntu for now | 22:14 |
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