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ahoneybunyofel: Riddell I can confirm a problem with nvidia and beta 101:22
ahoneybunI installed the nonfree nvidia driver and was unable to start a session01:24
ahoneybunRiddell: also do we have a banner made for this release?01:38
valorieahoneybun: no banner yet, you were being asked for about that03:00
valorieany ideas?03:01
valorieis there a launchpad bug about nvidia + sddm?03:01
valorieif not, file one, but I think there is - please add your input03:01
lordievaderGood morning.06:45
soeegood morning07:13
yofelahoneybun: nvidia-340 runs fine on my notebook. Any errors in Xorg.0.log ?08:22
Riddellbug 1427654 is go09:58
ubottubug 1427654 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Vivid) "FFE: switch system init to systemd [not touch] in 15.04" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142765409:58
lordievaderExciting!10:21
mparilloSo the systemd should land in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20150310/ ? I assume there will be a call for testers?11:08
Riddellmparillo: yep11:13
Riddellfeel free to make that call for testers :)11:13
mparilloFeeling powerful ;-), but I expect http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20150310 will land long before I wake.11:19
yofelfrom +1: "<rat> This is 11.04 all over again. ;)"11:19
yofelthis will be fun ^^11:19
Riddellyofel: what's the problem? systemd or something else?11:21
Riddelland what happened in 11.04?11:21
yofelsystemd on chromebook, and 11.04 was upstart11:22
ahoneybunyofel: I don't have that system installed anymore so no logs I'll install the driver again later today or tomorrow and grab the log11:38
ahoneybunvalorie: Riddell I have some designs for the banner11:39
=== kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch
Riddellahoneybun: great, although there's a small possibility we will have a new website11:55
Riddelldepends if ovidiu-florin does his thing in time or not11:55
mparilloBased on this, https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67569-Is-15-04-about-to-switch-from-upstart-to-systemd&p=368247&viewfull=1#post368247 we may not need new images to test systemd, just a dist-upgrade11:55
Riddellmparillo: yep indeed11:56
ahoneybunRiddell: so no more banner?11:57
Riddellahoneybun: dunno ask ovidiu-florin 12:09
Riddellprobably will need banners12:09
soeewe need motto :)12:10
BluesKajHiyas all12:16
Riddellvalorie: is but https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428849 what you wanted?12:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1428849 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "[systemd] Installing systemd-sysv removes nvidia-prime" [High,Fix released]12:23
Riddellvalorie: does sddm have anything to do with nvidia drivers?12:23
soeewoho nvidia-prime version12:35
StreamstormerRiddell: is the dependency on sddm back?12:36
RiddellStreamstormer: how do you mean?12:36
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StreamstormerRiddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/142832812:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1428328 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "nvidia-prime needs sddm support" [Medium,Confirmed]12:38
soeeStreamstormer: this bug is not about dependency, with sddm installed we can't switch profiles using nvidia-prime12:41
Streamstormersoee: hm ok.. Do you think you will be able to implement it in sddm in this cycle?12:45
soeeStreamstormer: i am noty developer :) i have no experiance on this field :)12:46
soeei just reported few bugs related to nvidia-prime as i use it daily on my laptop12:46
soeeStreamstormer: but it is on teh devs tasks list https://trello.com/c/cfvI6Rkp/5-ensure-sddm-works12:47
kubotu[15.04 :: Doing :: Ensure SDDM works ++ JR]12:47
Streamstormersoee: ok. Thx for your answers :)12:49
mparillodist-upgrade ran fine, systemd-sysv installed, upstart removed, shut down, and re-started fine. I did not notice any obvious improvement in boot times on my VM, and I thought speeding-up boot times was the main benefit end-users were supposed to get from systemd.12:50
soeei doubt12:51
soeewhen some kernel version is removed i se often this warning:12:53
soeeWarning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.12:53
=== kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik
yofelmparillo: that's the common headline, but we already have parallel boot since upstart, so for there's little to no difference12:56
yofel*for us12:56
ScottKmparillo: If the switch to systemd gets noticed at the user level, then we've screwed up.13:18
mparilloScottK: I was hoping to have no functional difference for the end-user, but much faster boots, because I had (dimly) understood that systemd made booting process parallel rather than sequential. But, at least for the *buntus, it sounds as if we already had that..13:20
ScottKYep.13:20
ScottKIf you're a sysadmin looking at details of system maintenance there's some additional boot logging stuff and some of the interactions are different, but I've put off learning much about it myself.13:21
mparilloOn Vivid, is anybody having to re-connect to wireless on every boot? It "remembers" my password, but not the connect automatically. I am afraid that upstream will close https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344600 as an *buntu only issue.13:22
ubottuKDE bug 344600 in applet "Network Manager Widget does not 'remember' to connect to previous WEP network" [Normal,Unconfirmed]13:22
mparilloFollowing links in various bug reports, I found: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1354924 but is the wireless widget in the system tray the same thing as in the Launchpad bug?13:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1354924 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Networkmanager does not autoconnect to wireless network" [Medium,Confirmed]13:24
* BluesKaj is tired of having to relogin if the mouse isn't moved for 5 mins ...the power settings obviously aren't being used or read13:33
soee;]13:34
BluesKajand why is "systemctl status" shown as "degraded" ...maybe that's a clue ?13:36
sgclarkmorning13:41
soeegood morning sgclark13:42
Riddellhi sgclark!13:43
Riddellhow's your web server/e-mail?13:43
BluesKajhey sgclark13:43
sgclarkRiddell: finally done. But spent the weekend sick :(13:45
BluesKajsystemd-sysv just installed aon the laptop, seems fine so far ...no worries about the nvidia-prime bug there, it's all intel :)13:45
Riddellsgclark: aww sucks, did you rest and get better?13:45
RiddellBluesKaj: did you reboot yet? does sddm start?13:45
sgclarkRiddell: yeah I feel better today13:46
BluesKajRiddell, yes sddm started fine :)13:46
sgclarkRiddell: so any clue about the merge issue I had, does all this need to be done by hand now?13:46
* sgclark think s that defeats the purpose of ci packaging13:47
Riddellsgclark: your only problem was you had branches without kubuntu_stable?  then just ignore those branches13:49
RiddellI think most won't have a kubuntu_stable because most aren't in kubuntu ci yet13:49
sgclarkRiddell: the script barfs13:49
Riddellwhich script?13:50
sgclarkinitial upload13:50
Riddelldoes it try to merge kubuntu_stable?13:50
sgclarkyeah you told me to add a merge line13:50
soeeBluesKaj: what nvidia-prime bug ? 13:51
Riddellsgclark: ah well then it needs something clever to work out if it has a kubuntu_stable branch or not and only run it if it does13:52
Riddellor something less clever to just ignore any failures13:52
sgclarkhmm, ok, let me see if my new python skills are up to snuff13:52
BluesKajsoee, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/142832813:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1428328 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "nvidia-prime needs sddm support" [Medium,Confirmed]13:54
Riddellyou could run   git branch -a  and check if the output contains kubuntu_stable13:55
Riddellor you could run  git checkout kubuntu_stable and check if the return is 0 or 113:55
sgclarkk13:55
soeeBluesKaj: ah yesm but this has nothing to do with systemd, and i thought we aere talking about it :)13:55
RiddellBluesKaj: did you do a dist-upgrade?14:02
BluesKajsoee, I had a problem with lightdm and systemd and the nvidia-prime bug which led me to install sddm which didn't work either after X was broken ..assume these bugs are all related to the nvidia-prime problem14:02
sgclarkeww nvidia-prime still a problem? no upgrade for me today14:03
Riddellsgclark: systemd was changed to default today and maybe this causes problems with nvidia-prime14:04
BluesKajRiddell, yes14:04
sgclarkRiddell: ah ok, holding to upgrade after I finish these applications..14:05
yofelsystemd/nvidia-prime uninstallability got fixed by pitti14:05
yofelit still doesn't work with sddm though14:05
BluesKajRiddell, altho my laptop desktop just crashed, but the reboot was successful..gonna check the logs14:06
BluesKaj /var/log/syslog says the laptop went into sleep mode, altho it's not set to do so for another 5 mins on low battery, but then crashed on wake up ...have to keep an eye on that one 14:11
BluesKajyofel, I just installed the nvidia-340 driver and that seems to fixed things here, but that was before installing sddm 14:13
Riddellsitter: has kubuntu-ci been tested with systemd? d__ed has a non-working sddm today14:17
* Riddell removes plasma-mediacentre from vivid, it doesn't work with Plasma 514:21
sgclarksigh every package fails again16:08
Riddellsgclark: oh?16:30
sgclarkRiddell: yeah I can't seem to sort where the build is being called, but basically the orig is the dir above build-area and the call expects it to be in the build-area dir16:33
sgclarkI tried a shutil.move call next to the orig rename but alas no go. I have to put on my KDE hat soon..16:34
Riddellsgclark: so you're calling kubuntu-initial-upload and it's failing on git-buildpackage?16:35
sgclarkyes16:35
sgclarkthe orig tarball is in the wrong place16:35
RiddellI do dislike git-buildpackage16:35
sgclarkit worked before the build-area stuff appeared, who  did that?16:36
Riddellthat's always been made, by git-buildpackage16:36
sgclarkhmm don't recall it, ok..16:37
sgclarkwell this script used to work, something changed16:37
Riddellsgclark: what command are you running? I'll give it a go and see what happens16:40
sgclarkRiddell: ok I hacked the script to move the orig into the right folder.16:52
sgclarkblech but fails somewhere esle now ..16:54
sgclarkfixed16:55
yofelI really wonder what you do different, it always worked as inteded for me and sitter17:05
yofel*intended17:05
yofeland even bzr had a build-area folder, new is just that *everything* should now be in there17:06
yofelwhich is a lot cleaner than before17:06
sgclarkyofel: I agree, but for whatever reason the script was putting the orig in the 'package' folder and not build-area for me and therefore the script failed. My script fix has it running fine now, but since I am the only one with this gremlin I will leave the fix local..17:21
yofelo.O17:41
sgclarkksnakeduel just barfed, something change?17:58
sgclarkRiddell: ^17:58
Riddellsgclark: yes I did change that upstream, leave for now I guess18:01
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Riddellhmm, I wonder why I don't get muon popping up to say updates are available19:14
Riddelldoes anyone else?19:14
sgclarkno19:15
Riddellhmm19:16
claydohnot here, until I went into the systray settings and checked the  "updates" option in "extra items"19:18
sgclarksystray settings? where is that?19:19
claydohcannot recall if I had to install update-notifier-kde or whichever package19:20
yofelyou don't need that19:20
Riddellooh I do have it in my systray19:20
RiddellI only just noticed it19:21
claydohsgclark: right-click the arrow at the right of the systray19:21
RiddellI wonder if it had been there the whole time19:21
sgclarkah hah thanks19:21
Riddellso question is if updates it ticked by default19:22
* Riddell starts virtualbox19:22
sgclarkwell it was unticked here19:22
sgclarkticked now..19:22
claydohRiddell: not for me on 2 boxen19:22
sgclarkboth laptop and desktop unticked19:22
sgclarkticked now, I think we can safely say it is not ticked by default19:23
Riddellthings not ticked on live system: printers, updates, touchpad, kde connect19:24
Riddelltouchpad is broken in plasma 5.2, we should remove it from the packaging19:24
Riddelloh and kate session applet19:24
RiddellI think we can live without that19:24
sgclarktouchpad still broken? :(19:25
Riddellsgclark: the applet is broken in plasma 5.2, fixed in plasma 5.319:25
ahoneybunUpdate was not ticked on mine as well19:25
sgclarkok19:25
Riddellkate session applet seems broken anyway :(19:25
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sgclarkRiddell: yup broken here too19:26
Riddellthe rest don't show unless there's some reason to anyway so I think we can set them all to on19:26
Riddellquestion is why isn't it on upstream19:26
ahoneybunRiddell: I have some banners for you just have to upload them19:27
Riddellahoneybun: nice :)19:27
ahoneybunRiddell: I have been though all the pages on the Docs I believe19:29
ahoneybunI'll give it another read though before posting it to the list19:29
sgclarkRiddell: I noticed kdevelop never made it to archive, I have been using it fine, what exactly is the method for single apps like that?19:29
Riddellahoneybun: lovely thanks, I'll add a todo to update the package19:32
Riddellsgclark: I'm confused, what's the problem with kdevelop?19:33
Riddell"This is ready in ninjas, just need some testing and approval to push to archive." well test it and upload if you're happy with it, or ask for more testing if you're not19:34
sgclarkfrom what I can see it is still only in ninjas and never made it to archive19:35
sgclarkRiddell: I have been using it fine. I don't know how to push a single app to archive. Sorry I am stupid19:35
yofeldput ubuntu .dsc, that's it ;)19:35
Riddellsgclark: dput ubuntu foo.changes19:36
yofellisten to Riddell, not me -.-19:36
Riddellalthough kdevelop is 4 packages isn't it?19:36
sgclarkit is not going to put all that ppa stuff?19:36
Riddellall what ppa stuff?19:36
sgclarkyeah it is 419:36
Riddellso upload them to ubuntu19:37
sgclark4 stuff no go in vivid?19:37
sgclarkerr nm19:37
sgclarkI am losing it19:38
ahoneybunRiddell: http://imgur.com/a/yUZul#019:38
Riddelldid you check behind the fridge? if you lose something it's nearly always there :)19:38
sgclarklol19:38
josecheese?19:38
josewhat?19:38
* jose is hungry19:38
Riddellahoneybun: ooh bonny :)19:39
ahoneybunbonny19:41
ahoneybun?19:41
yofelsgclark: if you mean the ppa version, you'll have to fix that before upload. If you mean the other packages, no, dput will upload exactly what you tell it ^^19:41
yofelyou can ofc. write a magic upload scripts that haunts you if you want :P19:42
yofel*script19:42
yofelbut usually only harald does that19:42
sgclarkyofel: yeah meant the first one, ok19:42
sgclarkand when I finsih this backport, where do I put it?19:43
* sgclark fears backports now19:43
mparilloahoneybun: If you are taking notes, I like the one that looks like the Plasma 5 background: http://imgur.com/a/yUZul#119:43
yofelwhat backport?19:43
sgclarkkdevelop19:43
yofelhuh?19:43
yofeldidn't we talk about uploading to vivid?19:43
sgclarkI am backporting kdevelop top utopic as well19:43
sgclarkyeah, different topic :)19:44
yofelah, put it in kubuntu-ppa/backports19:44
yofel*after* testing19:44
sgclarkk, ty19:44
Riddellmaybe put it into kubuntu-ppa/staging and then copy it when tested19:44
yofelthat ^19:44
sgclarkok well I do not have utopic to actually use it on, so where to put for others to test?19:44
sgclarkok thanks19:44
ahoneybunmparillo: that is the Plasma 5 background btw19:46
sgclarkyeah I like that one too ahoneybun19:46
yofelhm, how about blurring the logo slightly? To me it somehow doesn't fit into the surroundings...  (except on the 3rd one, but there it essentially melts in)19:48
Riddellahoneybun: better use the 5.2 background not 5.0 one19:48
ahoneybunRiddell: sgclark mparillo http://imgur.com/5clDXjA19:54
ahoneybunRiddell: https://kver.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/header.jpg?19:54
Riddellahoneybun: use version number 15.04 rather than codename19:54
Riddellyep https://kver.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/header.jpg is the 5.2 wallpaper19:55
Riddellahoneybun: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/2560x1600.png19:55
ahoneybunRiddell: http://imgur.com/a/yUZul#419:58
Riddellahoneybun: mm, looking nice19:58
Riddellnow we need a tagline19:58
Riddell"featuring Plasma 5" or something like that19:59
soeehiho19:59
Riddellahoneybun: maybe with this in, I'm not sure https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0/plasma-5-banner.png20:00
Riddellannoyingly the Updates and other applets are enabled in kubuntu ci images20:01
Riddellso it's a problem with Plasma 5.2 (or with something on kubuntu)20:01
ahoneybunRiddell: I found this https://d1099yxbcpf3k9.cloudfront.net/theme/logo/thumbnail/0d99ea8432d00a30b9433d6b1bcf1a15 and this http://www.kdeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/KDE_Plasma_Next_logo-292x300.png20:04
ahoneybunRiddell: http://imgur.com/a/yUZul#120:08
soeeyou need banner ?20:08
Riddellahoneybun: don't use KDE_Plasma_Next_logo-292x300.png that's the logo for kde's design group20:08
ahoneybunoh ok20:09
Riddellhttps://d1099yxbcpf3k9.cloudfront.net/theme/logo/thumbnail/0d99ea8432d00a30b9433d6b1bcf1a15 is good but I still think the text "plasma 5" is useful to have20:09
ahoneybunRiddell: http://imgur.com/a/yUZul#0 and https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Welcome20:12
Riddelllooking nice20:12
ahoneybuncool20:13
Riddellahoneybun: send to kubuntu-devel along with the svg or whatever source you have?20:14
ahoneybunI have a xcf (made in gimp)20:15
Riddellahoneybun: that'll do20:15
Riddelljust so we don't forget/lose it20:15
ahoneybunI'll send the background and the plasma 5 logo incase you want to change anything20:17
Riddellah hah, found it, default applets is a hardcoded list at /usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.systemtray/contents/config/main.xml in plasma 5.220:18
ahoneybunRiddell: someone needs to approve my message as the size is to large for the list20:25
Riddelldone20:26
Riddellsystray patched to add update, print and kdeconnect applets20:26
ahoneybunRiddell: looks like it was sent thanks20:33
ahoneybunRiddell: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu :)20:35
Riddelllovely20:37
ahoneybunhas anyone been able to install steam with no extra work20:42
ahoneybunjust apt-get install steam?20:42
* Riddell out20:45
ahoneybunshould I update the screenshot of system settings here: https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings20:45
yofelI think that's how I installed steam, but that was quite a while ago20:48
ahoneybunin 14.10 I think we had to install USC and then steam20:50
ahoneybunfor some reason it would not show up in a search20:51
ahoneybunlike this https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Software/Games/Steam20:51
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ahoneybunseems google has made a display server http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Is-Ditching-the-X11-Server-for-Freon-475211.shtml21:08
lordievaderHmm, too bad they don't join forces with Wayland.21:10
ahoneybunyea21:17
ahoneybunhey shadeslayer21:17
shadeslayerahoneybun: hey21:22
ahoneybunwe still have that server siting around lol21:22
ahoneybunshadeslayer: sup21:22
shadeslayergood, not much, just tired after work21:23
ahoneybunyea same 21:23
ahoneybunwas someone able to export the Docs into html?21:24
ahoneybunyofel: where would one file a bug about the nvidia drivers?21:53
ahoneybunagainst driver manager?21:54
soeeahoneybun: what bug ?21:55
yofelusually against the driver.., but yeah, what bug?21:55
kfunksgclark: dependency problems?21:59
ahoneybunyofel: I could not start a session21:59
ahoneybunthats what the display manager said when I tried to login21:59
sgclarkkfunk: yep, I have asked for help in the kubuntu-devel list, but for now I have to wear my kde hat and have to set it aside for the moment sorry22:00
yofelahoneybun: if sddm starts, you probably don't have driver issues. Can you find something interesting in ~/.xsession-errors?22:01
kfunksgclark: sure, no pressure. I'd just like to understand the issue22:02
ahoneybunyofel: I did not format my home partition so there might be some logs there left22:13
yofelahoneybun: it'll write that file when you start your session. So if you tried to log in, there should be *something* in it22:15
* ahoneybun finds sgclark's email in my .xsession-errors lol22:16
ahoneybunyofel: I think I will have to install the driver again and then look22:17
sgclarkerr wut? I am an error... that is no surprise lol22:17
yofelahoneybun: like I said, unlikely22:17
ahoneybunit lists your email lol22:17
yofelif you don't have errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it's probably not a driver issue22:18
ahoneybunyofel: it only happened after I installed the driver22:18
yofeluh, okaaay... o.O22:18
ahoneybunyofel: I reinstalled after I could not load the session22:18
ahoneybunso no log there22:18
yofelah ok22:18
ahoneybunyea I can install the driver again get a log for you 22:19
yofelthe mail might be from akonadi / baloo, they have pretty verbose logging ^^22:19
ahoneybunyea it does say that22:19
ahoneybunaskonadi22:19
yofelsure, will have to be tomorrow though22:19
yofelI'm almost falling asleep on the keyboard already ^^22:19
ahoneybunok I'll install the driver now and keep the log around22:19
ahoneybunI have version 340.76 from nvidia-34022:20
ahoneybunyofel: it could be from the UEFI I have in my machine as well22:21
yofelI would be rather surprised about that, but with all the weirdness we have lately who knows xD22:22
yofelanyway, I'm off to bed, gn822:22
ahoneybunnight22:22
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ahoneybunwell for some reason it worked22:35
ahoneybunI think it might be because I picked lightdm last time22:42
valorieRiddell: cool, looks like they fixed the nividia driver bug -- just in time23:21
valorieah, or not, reading the rest of the backlog23:44
AndChat|675444valorie: hey23:44
valorieI was asking for someone else, I don't have nvidia - intel here23:44
AndChat|675444Ahoneybun here23:45
valoriehi AndChat|675444 - if you are going to log in from there frequently you can link your accounts23:45
AndChat|675444Yea I have 20gbs of data so I can login mobile lol23:45
valorie do a /msg nickserv help link I believe23:45
AndChat|675444First I would need another nick23:45
AndChat|675444Like ahoneybun_mobilr23:46
AndChat|675444E23:46
valorieI just can't do irc on a little screen and with thumbtyping23:46
valorieno, you can just link to ahoneybun23:46
valorieget a bouncer!23:46
valorieand then you just login to that23:46
AndChat|675444Oh23:47
AndChat|675444You've been saying that23:47
valorieyour banners look great!23:47
valorieyes, I've been using a bouncer for years23:47
AndChat|675444I don't like this Nick though23:47
AndChat|675444Thabks23:47
AndChat|675444Thanks23:47
valoriebacklog is cruial for the work I do in both kubuntu and KDE23:47
AndChat|675444I moved a few screenies on the docs23:48
AndChat|675444And the banner is on there too23:48
valorievery cool23:49
valoriehave not had a moment to look23:49
valorietoo many things to do every day!23:49
AndChat|675444I just need to add some screenies of the installer23:49
AndChat|675444Added a driver section under advanced23:50
AndChat|675444And Riddell asked for the kubuntu-docs to be updated23:50
AndChat|675444Package wise23:50
valorieexcellent, I'm glad to see you here and pitching in23:51
valorieit was a constant nag in the back of my mind, but no time to do it23:51
AndChat|675444Yea I'll do what I can23:53
AndChat|675444I saw Ubuntu mate release a video shooting their new features23:54
AndChat|675444Thinking of doing something similar23:54
valoriethat would be very cool23:55
AndChat|675444Yep 23:55
valoriewell, need to go fix dinner23:55
AndChat|675444I compare plasma 4 to plasma 5 like android 4.4 to android 523:55
valorieI just wanted you to know that I am happy you are back23:56
* valorie off for a few hours23:56
AndChat|675444Something great and proven to something even prettier23:56
AndChat|675444See ya valorie and thanks23:56

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