=== duflu_ is now known as duflu [05:19] Good morning [06:07] guten morgen! [06:08] hey larsu, wie gehts? [06:09] pitti: gut danke! Hatte ein schönes verlängertes Wochenende im Thüringer Wald [06:09] und dir? [06:09] larsu: auch gut, Erkaeltung ist wieder besser [06:09] schön! [06:10] larsu: wir waren am Samstag in Muenchen zur Rocky Horror Picture Show -- grandios! [06:10] und schicke Kostueme ueberall :) [06:10] pitti: oh wow! Ich hoffe ihr hattet auch welche ;) [06:10] larsu: naja, Netti hatte Strapse, ich nicht :) [06:12] pitti: haha :D [06:13] * larsu installs ubuntu on his new laptop [06:13] larsu: ooh, new toys! [06:13] yep [06:14] put debian on there, but have tons of problems [06:14] ubuntu makes more sense for work anyway ;) [07:02] good morning [07:05] bonjour didrocks, ça va ? [07:05] pitti: ça va, et toi ? Moins malade ? [07:06] pitti: systemd by default \o/ [07:06] didrocks: oui -- encore un peu faible, mais je vais mieux que vendredi [07:06] didrocks: oui ! [07:06] pitti: tu as passé le week-end au lit ? [07:08] didrocks: j'ai dormi beaucoup, oui ! mais nous aussi avons regardé "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" à Munich :) [07:08] Aspirin FTW, wouldn't have missed that! [07:09] pitti: I guess it woke you up :) [07:11] it was awesome === dbarth is now known as dbarth-afk [08:20] pitti was right - I don't know how I lived without a us keyboard layout [08:20] kezboard... [08:20] that's the path until you get to the final step of the evolution route… [08:20] which is an azerty keyboard of course! [08:20] haha [08:21] larsu: welcome to sanity [08:21] didrocks needs some work still... [08:21] didrocks: I doubt it, but lets see [08:21] desrt: morning?! [08:21] i guess? [08:21] hey desrt :) [08:21] desrt: already made the switch to ubuntu this morning. debian had way too many problems on this machine [08:21] through a series of intensive naps over the weekend i've recovered from sickness, but now my sleep is completely wonked [08:22] glad to hear you're feeling better! [08:22] larsu: fair enough. you simply can't beat ubuntu for hardware support. [08:22] larsu: hah [08:22] desrt: indeed... [08:23] trackpoint buttons are messed up sadly [08:23] no button up events [08:23] and wrongly assigned [08:23] * larsu needs to investigate [08:24] desrt: have you seen this guy complaining about the fdo notification backend? [08:24] i recall something vague about that [08:24] it's annoying. 3rd bug by now [08:24] the case i recall, 'this guy' was hadess, though :) [08:25] haha, no, different guy this time [08:25] confused between the fdo spec and the gtk one [08:25] same here [08:25] I think it's time to bring the new spec [08:25] I really don't want to flesh out the fdo backend that much [08:27] so uh... let's go to NUE? [08:27] ya?! [08:53] Morning [08:53] hey willcooke [08:53] safe trip back? [08:53] willcooke: morning! how was bcn? [08:54] The plane was over weight, so we had to wait for ages to take people off and find them alternative flights [08:54] waow [08:54] BCN was great! Still tired :/ [08:54] "nice" [08:54] ha, i can imaging [08:54] *imagine [08:55] pitti: mind having a look? http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/0001-path_is_mount_point-handle-overlayfs.patch [08:56] hey didrocks larsu pitti willcooke & desktopers [08:56] bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ? [08:56] re seb128 [08:56] pitti, bien ! et toi ? [08:56] pitti, je suis en France [08:57] seb128: mieux que vendredi, pas de fièvre; je suis d'accord [08:57] seb128: ah, avec Hélène ? [08:57] pitti, tant mieux ! [08:57] pitti, non, elle est dans sa famille pour quelques jours et moi dans la mienne [08:58] morning [08:58] seb128: that's been a while, I'm sure they were happy to see you again! [08:59] hey mlankhorst [08:59] hey [08:59] hey mlankhorst [08:59] pitti, indeed :-) [08:59] hey mlankhorst [09:00] pitti: so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1424980 is the bug for xorg-server 1.17 [09:00] Ubuntu bug 1424980 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "[ffe] xorg-server 1.17" [High,New] [09:00] didrocks: (looking) [09:05] hullo [09:06] hey Laney [09:10] hey Laney, pitti [09:10] didrocks, and seb128 [09:10] hey [09:11] hey darkxst pitti seb128! [09:11] how's it going? [09:12] hay Laney, wie gehts? [09:12] good! [09:12] there was an ACTUAL nice day at the weekend [09:12] Laney! [09:12] morning! [09:12] Laney, big ride and then oiled a big deck, good way to spend a public holiday I guess [09:12] hey Laney, darkxst! [09:12] good old deck oiling, what a thing to be doing [09:13] hey larsu et didrocks, ça va? [09:13] excellent, thanks! Nice sunny days here. It looks like spring :) [09:13] Laney: great! Had a nice long weekend cross country skiing [09:13] Laney: how was your weekend? [09:13] "After a bright start in places cloud will quickly thicken as winds strengthen" [09:13] >:| [09:13] Laney: good, thanks! (aside from me breaking $world as usual :) ) [09:14] pitti: I saw that It Happened, good luck ;-) [09:14] pitti, is it S.. doom day ;) [09:15] larsu: Good - went to the pub Friday, the enjoyed the sunny Saturday and yesterday was climbing / shopping for mothers day (which was a fail, but I ended up buying some books for myself ... *cough*) [09:15] Laney: thanks! luck and lots of work, having fun sorting out the autopkgtest regressions; they spotted a lot of packaging errors [09:15] oh yeah, good stuff [09:16] * Laney is going to test that shutdown thing with upstart now [09:16] Laney: haha cool. You have mother's day yesterday? It's women's day for us (mother's day being in may) [09:16] it's this Sunday coming [09:16] Laney: don't! It's systemd switch day today [09:16] weird..... [09:17] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday [09:17] * Laney should technically call it this apparently [09:18] Laney, yes, because wikipedia is always right ;) [09:18] our mothers day is in may as well [09:19] same here [09:19] and yesterday was women's day [09:19] again a proof that the UK is wrong :) [09:19] it's those crazy brits [09:19] right, wanting to be… different! :) [09:20] didrocks: I know where you live......don't make me hunt you down ;) [09:20] heh ;) [09:24] can someone non-UK tell me if this stream is geo restricted please? [09:24] gst-play-1.0 http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/llnw/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8 [09:27] Laney: Bad Request (400) here [09:27] Redirect to: (NULL) [09:27] seems so [09:27] yeah, bbc is quite on the edge on geo restriction compared to other from what I experienced [09:28] sad because their documentaries are generally great [09:28] some streams work [09:30] I think http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio is supposed to be non-geoiped too [09:33] Laney: just picked one, and indeed, it's not [09:33] Might just be these high quality live streams [09:33] try some of the other ones from http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/query.asp?feedme=BBC+Radio+4+(DAB) ? [09:33] so I have en_US locale, including keyboard layout [09:34] but indicator-datetime is giving me the date in german [09:34] wouldn't you expect this? [09:34] (as an user) [09:34] no [09:35] if my desktop language is english, so should be my time-in-panel language [09:35] larsu, what is your LC_TIME? [09:35] you would prefer it to respect the locale I guess [09:36] seb128: de_DE indeed. Any idea how that happened? [09:36] larsu, no, how did you change your locale? [09:36] no [09:36] this is a very fresh install from this morning [09:36] * larsu doesn't even have a compose key yet [09:36] maybe ubiquity when you pick your timezone and the default LC_TIME != default locale? [09:37] might be [09:37] sounds _very_ wrong though [09:38] * Set LC_TIME to reflect the language rather than the location, as the [09:38] lesser of two evils since it includes translations of day and month [09:38] names (LP: #1160441). [09:38] and later: [09:38] Launchpad bug 1160441 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "Calendar is still in English despite French is selected as the Language during the installation" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160441 [09:38] * Revert LC_TIME change from previous upload since at least [09:38] language-selector also needs to be brought into sync, and it's too late [09:38] for 13.04. [09:38] so, seems they tried to fix it [09:38] but reverted [09:39] meh [09:39] fix what? [09:39] larsu: cjwatson did those changes [09:39] seb128: fixes in the sense doing what larsu expects [09:39] * larsu is looking forward to the say he installs a new laptop in China [09:43] didrocks: can you try gst-play-1.0 http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/llnw/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8 ? [09:43] * Laney is trying to find a URL to give to an upstream guy [09:44] Laney: working [09:44] thanks [09:45] so you only get shitty quality :p [09:45] bring on multicast [09:50] dear laptop, why are you in iowait hell? [09:50] fstrim --all :( [09:52] is it that slow? always quick for me [09:52] root 14676 0.3 0.0 19968 2076 ? D 09:21 0:06 \_ /sbin/fstrim --all [09:53] seems to take a while ... [09:56] there's something called Queued Trim which I guess I don't have [09:57] SATA 3.1, July 2011 & this laptop is 2010 :( [10:00] yeah, fstrim takes some 5 mins here [10:12] seb128, bug 1339355 you ok with that? [10:13] bug 1339355 in gnome-contacts (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update gnome-contacts to 3.14" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339355 [10:19] Laney: hm, it's actually taking 20 already, and still not done [10:20] pitti: can you notice a decrease in IO performance? [10:21] oh, systemd time! [10:21] Laney: yeah, it usually does that; I just don't remember it taking that long [10:21] ah, it's done that for a while for me [10:22] Laney: why don't I see libgtk-3-0 3.14.8-0ubuntu2 in a dist-upgrade yet? [10:22] launchpad tells me it's available [10:22] it didn't move to release yet [10:22] I'm currently adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud to look at the update-manager one [10:23] oh? where do I see that? [10:23] was assuming some other guy was going to check out apport [10:23] * Laney coughs [10:23] ah! /me is blind [10:23] well [10:23] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0 two lines under vivid there [10:23] Laney: yeah, I know a guy who is [10:23] then you go to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html to see why [10:27] thanks :) [10:28] * Laney notices cryptic u-s-s bug activity [10:28] err ubuntu-font-family [10:44] Laney, some advice please. [10:44] Laney, We have this rather impressive looking bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1426327 [10:44] Ubuntu bug 1426327 in mate-user-share (Ubuntu) "some MATE apps don't receive GSettings notifications with GLib >= 2.43" [Critical,Triaged] [10:44] Laney, New point release tarballs are starting to come from MATE and being released to Debian experimental. [10:45] Laney, Do I need to file FFE for these packages to be synced from Debian experimental? [10:45] flexiondotorg_: If they have new features, then yes. If it's just fixes to what we already have, no. [10:46] Laney, They are just fixing that specific issue. [10:46] Laney, So should I add the sync request to each package bug and sunscribe ubuntu-sponsors? [10:46] Then no need, go straight to ubuntu-sponsors, do not pass go [11:08] darkxst, no real opinion, if Laney and larsu are fine with the update +1 from me as well [11:28] Laney, Can you just clarify how I should notify ubuntu-sponsors about sync package from Debain experimental for #1426327 [11:28] flexiondotorg_: Just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors [11:29] Laney, Should I do that when all packages are available in experimental? [11:29] You can use the bug states if you want === sil2100__ is now known as sil2100_ [11:29] Or else just write that they're being uploaded now and might not be available [11:29] Laney, Thanks. [11:30] moin [11:39] what makes the dbus machine id file? [11:40] update-manager just started failing due to this not being available [11:40] hey Sweet5hark, what's up? [11:43] Laney, machine-id? or something else dbusy? [11:43] Laney, machine-id is a systemd thing iirc [11:43] they both have them [11:43] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id [11:44] both what? [11:44] I think dbus-daemon makes that when it first starts up?! [11:44] systemd and dbus [11:44] I'm unsure though [11:44] systemd takes the dbus system id if it was generated beforehand [11:45] In a regular installation it's generated by the postinst (dbus-uuidgen) [11:45] BUT for downloadable images that doesn't work [11:46] yeah, maybe it should just copiy the systemd generated machine-id at boot if there is no dbus id and dbus is installed [11:47] hmm [11:48] didrocks: looks like the upstart job had code to call uuidgen but the systemd unit doesn't [11:49] also the init script has this too [11:50] interesting, so we should bring that up too [11:51] Laney: want to do the patch or should I? [11:52] do you think upstream would have this? [11:52] oh, perhaps dbus'es .service doesn't do that because dbus-daemon uses /etc/machine-id? (that woudl be nice, at least) [11:52] or should something symlink that to /var? [11:52] Laney: with the kdbus focus, I would say, they would use /etc/machine-id maybe [11:53] I would really go with a symlink in PreExecStart at least [11:53] ya, maybe it does [11:53] and maybe change our postinst hook to do this [11:56] looks like dbus-uuidgen --ensure already copies /etc/machine-id if it can [11:56] I can fix update-manager to prefer /etc/machine-id anyway [11:58] yeah, that sounds saner (still keeping the usptart fallback until the next LTS at least) [11:59] could still be a good idea to have dbus run this for $random_packages [12:00] pitti: boot as of this morning takes > 1 min. Something about setting up cryptswap [12:01] do you need any logs from me or is this known? [12:05] larsu: not known; I saw a similar bug last night though, hang on [12:05] larsu: bug 1429354 [12:05] bug 1429354 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Systemd takes very long to boot with error in swap mounting" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1429354 [12:05] larsu: if you can say for sure that it's the same, a response there would be appreciated (I left some question there); otherwise, rather file a new bug [12:05] easier to dup than to fork [12:07] pitti: seems like the same issue [12:07] I'll update the bug [12:10] let me know if you need more info [12:12] larsu: cheers [12:12] larsu: is that a standard cryptsetup vivid install? or custom partitioning/fstab? [12:12] larsu: I tested cryptsetup like a month ago or so, but not recently; if it's reproducible easily, that'd be helpful [12:12] pitti: very standard. Installed from 14.10 image this morning [12:13] larsu: ah, and then upgraded to vivid? [12:14] that should be simple to do then [12:14] yes [12:14] larsu: you didn't happen to try with a vivid daily install, I suppose? [12:14] well, I guess I'll try that first [12:14] pitti: no I havenn't sorry. Still had that image lying around on a usb key [12:14] no worries [12:14] oh wow, it doesn't detect any usb devices [12:15] systemd-udevd[294]: error opening USB device 'descriptors' file [12:15] larsu: and your udevadm info --export-db , s'il vous plaît ? [12:15] (to match the UUID to detected hw) [12:16] wow, cryptswap UUIDs from /dev/urandom -- I need to learn about how that's supposed to work [12:16] pitti: udevadm doesn't have a --export-db [12:16] hm, according to the man page, it does [12:16] larsu: le huh? [12:17] "info"? [12:17] hm? [12:20] oh, _info_ [12:20] * larsu is blind today, sorry [12:20] coming up [12:51] pitti: as you committed the first patch, mind having a look at http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-March/029174.html? [12:52] just being a little bit less verbose (even if I don't like relying on a pid file to declare something is running or not, but as the function is factorized in systemd…) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:03] didrocks: yes, can do; thanks! [13:04] thanks :) [13:13] seb128: since its not Friday anymore, please consider uploading http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.4.1/libreoffice_4.4.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.4.1/libreoffice-l10n_4.4.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes ;) [13:22] seb128: would appreciate a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/radiance-radio-colors/+merge/252290 [13:22] larsu, k [13:23] Sweet5hark, noted, what was wrong on friday, you don't like to make builders busy over the w.e? ;-) [13:29] I've heard them cry for a union several times now, better give them some slack :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:43] larsu: hm, I installed a cryptsetup VM now, but it works fine; question on bug [13:43] larsu: oh, did you perhaps mean ecryptfs (encrypt the user's home dir), not encrypting the whole disk? [13:43] pitti: I was just typing that :) [13:43] pitti: all I did was check the 'encrypt home dir' box [13:44] * larsu is sorry if he caused confusion [13:44] aah [13:44] * pitti trashes his VM, wash&rinse&repeat :) [13:48] ochosi: I think it was you who asked me about this the other day? https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/prelight-and-focus-scale/+merge/252293 [13:48] larsu: indeed. oh nice! [13:48] i'll take a peek [13:48] review appreciated :) [13:49] right, that's interesting that this would fix it though [13:49] why? [13:49] i mean the problem was not the scale not being highlighted/focused at all, but at the wrong coordinates [13:49] weird? [13:49] for me it wasn't highlighted at alll [13:49] so if the mouse is 50px left of the scale's handle, it would get drawn focused [13:50] it does that by design [13:50] oh, that's strange, cause this ^ is what i mentioned last time we talked [13:50] by design? [13:50] i guess you have to elaborate that a bit :) [13:50] ya, because the scale has focus [13:50] as soon as the cursor is on the menu item === dbarth-afk is now known as dbarth [13:51] no [13:51] that's not what i mean [13:51] ochosi: please file a bug next time. irc bug reports tend to get mistranslated apparently :) [13:51] * ochosi uploads screenshot [13:51] hehe, i did ask you whether i should file one iirc ;) [13:51] don't listen to me! [13:52] future me will thank you [13:52] haha [13:52] ok [13:52] * ochosi notes that [13:53] larsu: ok, so here you go: http://imgur.com/QrtxcuA [13:54] hope that's clear enough now ): [13:54] :) [13:54] ah, this is because I stopped translating event coords [13:54] I wonder why prelighting works for you though [13:55] * ochosi shrugs [13:55] you could try whether this works for you as well though [13:55] i mean this is not the typical place where you'd "search" for a hover [13:57] tbh it'd be surprising for me if this didn't work at all for you [14:00] larsu: so with your patch, the scale automatically looks hovered when you hover the menuitem? [14:01] at least that's how i read this [14:01] ya, but it shouldn't on 2nd thought [14:01] only focused [14:02] yeah, if that really makes a diff [14:02] the thing is, only when the scale's button is highlighted should that part also look hovered [14:03] I don't understand that sentence... [14:03] you mean only when it's hovered it should be drawn prelighted? [14:06] uhm, yeah, maybe i didn't really formulate that well enough... [14:07] not when the scale's trough is hovered (as shown in one of my two screeners) but only when the scale's button is hovered should it be drawn in the darker blue hovered style [14:07] ya, I understood your bug :) [14:07] oh ok, but what i meant was when reading your code that that'll simply work around that by always making it show hovered :) [14:08] * larsu is confused [14:08] sry if this is confusing [14:08] my branch doesn't fix your bug, I was unaware of it until 5 mins ago [14:08] i guess i should just test your code and report back ;) [14:08] right, that's what i meant [14:08] (well, I might have been aware of it earlier) [14:09] larsu: oh dear [14:09] larsu: cryptswap is broken under upstart too, it just doesn't care and yell about it [14:13] pitti: oh, interesting. Anything I can do? [14:14] cyphermox, hey, do you plan to review https://code.launchpad.net/~yuningdodo/usb-creator/usb-creator.lp1325801v3-use-source-syslinux/+merge/250877 ? It seems you started reviewing the previous versions for it? [14:15] seb128: yes [14:15] cyphermox, great, thanks ;-) [14:18] larsu: I don't know yet how you can fix the cryptswap partition to do what it's supposed to do, I need to read up on that [14:18] larsu: but I need a break, back in ~ 1 h [14:19] pitti: enjoy! [14:20] can haz new wallpaper === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland [14:20] it's uncompressed png's at the moment, design are working on compressed versions now. Who wants them? [14:23] willcooke, want them, like in "to update the package"? [14:23] seems like xnox and Laney handled the most recent updates [14:24] yo, que? [14:24] seb128, yeah - wants them -> can add them to the image/package [14:24] willcooke: anyone can update the wallpaper package =) [14:24] willcooke: just do it. Is it new, or just change of format? [14:25] willcooke: if new, current one needs to be added to the "legacy" set for those that want to use an old wallpaper. [14:26] I'm not qualified [14:26] ;) [14:26] willcooke: then open a bug report, attach the artifacts, and point us to it =) [14:26] If someone wants to talk me through it, great - otherwise [14:26] ^H^H^H^H^H kk [14:26] thx xnox [14:27] I'll get the compressed ones from JohnLea_ and then I'll open a bug [14:28] willcooke: cool. [14:34] larsu: btw, another thing you might or might not have read in your backlog, i did some more work on symbolic icons and wanted to say that there is actually zero regression potential, because it automatically looks for the non-symbolic version if the symbolic one isn't found (gtk internally does that) [14:35] ochosi: we have -panel suffixes on some icons though which we'd rename [14:35] so there's some potential for regression [14:35] unless we keep those as fallback [14:35] * larsu is unsure [14:36] you could, but you wouldn't have to rename them for 15.04 [14:36] for 15.10 i'd definitely rename them [14:36] we're not doing it for 15.04 === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 [14:36] if icons have taught me anything os far, it's "somethin _will_ go wrong" [14:37] hehe, ok [14:37] willcooke: Probably put them here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1429011 and we can handle both the contest and default at the same time [14:37] Ubuntu bug 1429011 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "15.04 wallpapers package" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:37] s/them/it/? [14:44] Laney, thanks. We have two - a grey and a purple [14:45] which one's the default? [14:45] purple I guess [14:46] purple is the rain, not the default :P [14:48] JohnLea_, ^^^ which should be the default, the purple one? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:49] willcooke, the purple one should be default [14:49] thanks JohnLea_ [14:50] seb128_, does GDK allow APNG animations? doesn’t say [14:51] mvo: if you have a minute, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/update-manager/testfixes please? (sorry to ping, but autopkgtest is sad) [14:51] Laney: heh, I was just looking at this :) [14:51] :D [14:51] Laney: and no worries, always ping me if in doubt [14:51] mpt, I don't know, maybe Laney or larsu do know ... why? === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [14:52] seb128, because bug 889889 [14:52]