[05:19] <pitti> Good morning
[06:07] <larsu> guten morgen!
[06:08] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[06:09] <larsu> pitti: gut danke! Hatte ein schönes verlängertes Wochenende im Thüringer Wald
[06:09] <larsu> und dir?
[06:09] <pitti> larsu: auch gut, Erkaeltung ist wieder besser
[06:09] <larsu> schön!
[06:10] <pitti> larsu: wir waren am Samstag in Muenchen zur Rocky Horror Picture Show -- grandios!
[06:10] <pitti> und schicke Kostueme ueberall :)
[06:10] <larsu> pitti: oh wow! Ich hoffe ihr hattet auch welche ;)
[06:10] <pitti> larsu: naja, Netti hatte Strapse, ich nicht :)
[06:12] <larsu> pitti: haha :D
[06:13]  * larsu installs ubuntu on his new laptop
[06:13] <pitti> larsu: ooh, new toys!
[06:13] <larsu> yep
[06:14] <larsu> put debian on there, but have tons of problems
[06:14] <larsu> ubuntu makes more sense for work anyway ;)
[07:02] <didrocks> good morning
[07:05] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[07:05] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi ? Moins malade ?
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: systemd by default \o/
[07:06] <pitti> didrocks: oui -- encore un peu faible, mais je vais mieux que vendredi
[07:06] <pitti> didrocks: oui !
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: tu as passé le week-end au lit ?
[07:08] <pitti> didrocks: j'ai dormi beaucoup, oui ! mais nous aussi avons regardé "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" à Munich :)
[07:08] <pitti> Aspirin FTW, wouldn't have missed that!
[07:09] <didrocks> pitti: I guess it woke you up :)
[07:11] <pitti> it was awesome
[08:20] <larsu> pitti was right - I don't know how I lived without a us keyboard layout
[08:20] <larsu> kezboard...
[08:20] <didrocks> that's the path until you get to the final step of the evolution route…
[08:20] <didrocks> which is an azerty keyboard of course!
[08:20] <larsu> haha
[08:21] <desrt> larsu: welcome to sanity
[08:21] <desrt> didrocks needs some work still...
[08:21] <larsu> didrocks: I doubt it, but lets see
[08:21] <larsu> desrt: morning?!
[08:21] <desrt> i guess?
[08:21] <didrocks> hey desrt :)
[08:21] <larsu> desrt: already made the switch to ubuntu this morning. debian had way too many problems on this machine
[08:21] <desrt> through a series of intensive naps over the weekend i've recovered from sickness, but now my sleep is completely wonked
[08:22] <larsu> glad to hear you're feeling better!
[08:22] <desrt> larsu: fair enough.  you simply can't beat ubuntu for hardware support.
[08:22] <pitti> larsu: hah
[08:22] <larsu> desrt: indeed...
[08:23] <larsu> trackpoint buttons are messed up sadly
[08:23] <larsu> no button up events
[08:23] <larsu> and wrongly assigned
[08:23]  * larsu needs to investigate
[08:24] <larsu> desrt: have you seen this guy complaining about the fdo notification backend?
[08:24] <desrt> i recall something vague about that
[08:24] <larsu> it's annoying. 3rd bug by now
[08:24] <desrt> the case i recall, 'this guy' was hadess, though :)
[08:25] <larsu> haha, no, different guy this time
[08:25] <desrt> confused between the fdo spec and the gtk one
[08:25] <larsu> same here
[08:25] <larsu> I think it's time to bring the new spec
[08:25] <larsu> I really don't want to flesh out the fdo backend that much
[08:27] <desrt> so uh... let's go to NUE?
[08:27] <larsu> ya?!
[08:53] <willcooke> Morning
[08:53] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:53] <didrocks> safe trip back?
[08:53] <larsu> willcooke: morning! how was bcn?
[08:54] <willcooke> The plane was over weight, so we had to wait for ages to take people off and find them alternative flights
[08:54] <didrocks> waow
[08:54] <willcooke> BCN was great!  Still tired :/
[08:54] <didrocks> "nice"
[08:54] <larsu> ha, i can imaging
[08:54] <larsu> *imagine
[08:55] <didrocks> pitti: mind having a look? http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/0001-path_is_mount_point-handle-overlayfs.patch
[08:56] <seb128> hey didrocks larsu pitti willcooke & desktopers
[08:56] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[08:56] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:56] <seb128> pitti, bien ! et toi ?
[08:56] <seb128> pitti, je suis en France
[08:57] <pitti> seb128: mieux que vendredi, pas de fièvre; je suis d'accord
[08:57] <pitti> seb128: ah, avec Hélène ?
[08:57] <seb128> pitti, tant mieux !
[08:57] <seb128> pitti, non, elle est dans sa famille pour quelques jours et moi dans la mienne
[08:58] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:58] <pitti> seb128: that's been a while, I'm sure they were happy to see you again!
[08:59] <pitti> hey mlankhorst
[08:59] <mlankhorst> hey
[08:59] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, indeed :-)
[08:59] <seb128> hey mlankhorst
[09:00] <mlankhorst> pitti: so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1424980 is the bug for xorg-server 1.17
[09:00] <pitti> didrocks: (looking)
[09:05] <Laney> hullo
[09:06] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:10] <darkxst> hey Laney, pitti
[09:10] <darkxst> didrocks, and seb128
[09:10] <seb128> hey
[09:11] <Laney> hey darkxst pitti seb128!
[09:11] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:12] <seb128> hay Laney, wie gehts?
[09:12] <seb128> good!
[09:12] <Laney> there was an ACTUAL nice day at the weekend
[09:12] <larsu> Laney!
[09:12] <larsu> morning!
[09:12] <darkxst> Laney, big ride and then oiled a big deck, good way to spend a public holiday I guess
[09:12] <didrocks> hey Laney, darkxst!
[09:12] <Laney> good old deck oiling, what a thing to be doing
[09:13] <Laney> hey larsu et didrocks, ça va?
[09:13] <didrocks> excellent, thanks! Nice sunny days here. It looks like spring :)
[09:13] <larsu> Laney: great! Had a nice long weekend cross country skiing
[09:13] <larsu> Laney: how was your weekend?
[09:13] <Laney> "After a bright start in places cloud will quickly thicken as winds strengthen"
[09:13] <Laney> >:|
[09:13] <pitti> Laney: good, thanks! (aside from me breaking $world as usual :) )
[09:14] <Laney> pitti: I saw that It Happened, good luck ;-)
[09:14] <darkxst> pitti, is it S.. doom day ;)
[09:15] <Laney> larsu: Good - went to the pub Friday, the enjoyed the sunny Saturday and yesterday was climbing / shopping for mothers day (which was a fail, but I ended up buying some books for myself ... *cough*)
[09:15] <pitti> Laney: thanks! luck and lots of work, having fun sorting out the autopkgtest regressions; they spotted a lot of packaging errors
[09:15] <Laney> oh yeah, good stuff
[09:16]  * Laney is going to test that shutdown thing with upstart now
[09:16] <larsu> Laney: haha cool. You have mother's day yesterday? It's women's day for us (mother's day being in may)
[09:16] <Laney> it's this Sunday coming
[09:16] <larsu> Laney: don't! It's systemd switch day today
[09:16] <larsu> weird.....
[09:17] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday
[09:17]  * Laney should technically call it this apparently
[09:18] <darkxst> Laney, yes, because wikipedia is always right ;)
[09:18] <darkxst> our mothers day is in may as well
[09:19] <didrocks> same here
[09:19] <didrocks> and yesterday was women's day
[09:19] <didrocks> again a proof that the UK is wrong :)
[09:19] <Laney> it's those crazy brits
[09:19] <didrocks> right, wanting to be… different! :)
[09:20] <davmor2> didrocks: I know where you live......don't make me hunt you down ;)
[09:20] <didrocks> heh ;)
[09:24] <Laney> can someone non-UK tell me if this stream is geo restricted please?
[09:24] <Laney> gst-play-1.0 http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/llnw/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8
[09:27] <didrocks> Laney: Bad Request (400) here
[09:27] <didrocks>  Redirect to: (NULL)
[09:27] <Laney> seems so
[09:27] <didrocks> yeah, bbc is quite on the edge on geo restriction compared to other from what I experienced
[09:28] <didrocks> sad because their documentaries are generally great
[09:28] <Laney> some streams work
[09:30] <Laney> I think http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio is supposed to be non-geoiped too
[09:33] <didrocks> Laney: just picked one, and indeed, it's not
[09:33] <Laney> Might just be these high quality live streams
[09:33] <Laney> try some of the other ones from http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/query.asp?feedme=BBC+Radio+4+(DAB) ?
[09:33] <larsu> so I have en_US locale, including keyboard layout
[09:34] <larsu> but indicator-datetime is giving me the date in german
[09:34] <didrocks> wouldn't you expect this?
[09:34] <didrocks> (as an user)
[09:34] <larsu> no
[09:35] <larsu> if my desktop language is english, so should be my time-in-panel language
[09:35] <seb128> larsu, what is your LC_TIME?
[09:35] <didrocks> you would prefer it to respect the locale I guess
[09:36] <larsu> seb128: de_DE indeed. Any idea how that happened?
[09:36] <seb128> larsu, no, how did you change your locale?
[09:36] <larsu> no
[09:36] <larsu> this is a very fresh install from this morning
[09:36]  * larsu doesn't even have a compose key yet
[09:36] <didrocks> maybe ubiquity when you pick your timezone and the default LC_TIME != default locale?
[09:37] <larsu> might be
[09:37] <larsu> sounds _very_ wrong though
[09:38] <didrocks>   * Set LC_TIME to reflect the language rather than the location, as the
[09:38] <didrocks>     lesser of two evils since it includes translations of day and month
[09:38] <didrocks>     names (LP: #1160441).
[09:38] <didrocks> and later:
[09:38] <didrocks>   * Revert LC_TIME change from previous upload since at least
[09:38] <didrocks>     language-selector also needs to be brought into sync, and it's too late
[09:38] <didrocks>     for 13.04.
[09:38] <didrocks> so, seems they tried to fix it
[09:38] <didrocks> but reverted
[09:39] <larsu> meh
[09:39] <seb128> fix what?
[09:39] <didrocks> larsu: cjwatson did those changes
[09:39] <didrocks> seb128: fixes in the sense doing what larsu expects
[09:39]  * larsu is looking forward to the say he installs a new laptop in China
[09:43] <Laney> didrocks: can you try gst-play-1.0 http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/llnw/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8 ?
[09:43]  * Laney is trying to find a URL to give to an upstream guy
[09:44] <didrocks> Laney: working
[09:44] <Laney> thanks
[09:45] <Laney> so you only get shitty quality :p
[09:45] <Laney> bring on multicast
[09:50] <Laney> dear laptop, why are you in iowait hell?
[09:50] <Laney> fstrim --all :(
[09:52] <didrocks> is it that slow? always quick for me
[09:52] <Laney> root     14676  0.3  0.0  19968  2076 ?        D    09:21   0:06              \_ /sbin/fstrim --all
[09:53] <Laney> seems to take a while ...
[09:56] <Laney> there's something called Queued Trim which I guess I don't have
[09:57] <Laney> SATA 3.1, July 2011 & this laptop is 2010 :(
[10:00] <pitti> yeah, fstrim takes some 5 mins here
[10:12] <darkxst> seb128, bug 1339355 you ok with that?
[10:19] <pitti> Laney: hm, it's actually taking 20 already, and still not done
[10:20] <Laney> pitti: can you notice a decrease in IO performance?
[10:21] <larsu> oh, systemd time!
[10:21] <pitti> Laney: yeah, it usually does that; I just don't remember it taking that long
[10:21] <Laney> ah, it's done that for a while for me
[10:22] <larsu> Laney: why don't I see libgtk-3-0 3.14.8-0ubuntu2 in a dist-upgrade yet?
[10:22] <larsu> launchpad tells me it's available
[10:22] <Laney> it didn't move to release yet
[10:22] <Laney> I'm currently adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud to look at the update-manager one
[10:23] <larsu> oh? where do I see that?
[10:23] <Laney> was assuming some other guy was going to check out apport
[10:23]  * Laney coughs
[10:23] <larsu> ah! /me is blind
[10:23] <Laney> well
[10:23] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0 two lines under vivid there
[10:23] <pitti> Laney: yeah, I know a guy who is
[10:23] <Laney> then you go to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html to see why
[10:27] <larsu> thanks :)
[10:28]  * Laney notices cryptic u-s-s bug activity
[10:28] <Laney> err ubuntu-font-family
[10:44] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, some advice please.
[10:44] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, We have this rather impressive looking bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1426327
[10:44] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, New point release tarballs are starting to come from MATE and being released to Debian experimental.
[10:45] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, Do I need to file FFE for these packages to be synced from Debian experimental?
[10:45] <Laney> flexiondotorg_: If they have new features, then yes. If it's just fixes to what we already have, no.
[10:46] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, They are just fixing that specific issue.
[10:46] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, So should I add the sync request to each package bug and sunscribe ubuntu-sponsors?
[10:46] <Laney> Then no need, go straight to ubuntu-sponsors, do not pass go
[11:08] <seb128> darkxst, no real opinion, if Laney and larsu are fine with the update +1 from me as well
[11:28] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, Can you just clarify how I should notify ubuntu-sponsors about sync package from Debain experimental for #1426327
[11:28] <Laney> flexiondotorg_: Just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[11:29] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, Should I do that when all packages are available in experimental?
[11:29] <Laney> You can use the bug states if you want
[11:29] <Laney> Or else just write that they're being uploaded now and might not be available
[11:29] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, Thanks.
[11:30] <Sweet5hark> moin
[11:39] <Laney> what makes the dbus machine id file?
[11:40] <Laney> update-manager just started failing due to this not being available
[11:40] <Laney> hey Sweet5hark, what's up?
[11:43] <seb128> Laney, machine-id? or something else dbusy?
[11:43] <seb128> Laney, machine-id is a systemd thing iirc
[11:43] <Laney> they both have them
[11:43] <Laney> /var/lib/dbus/machine-id
[11:44] <seb128> both what?
[11:44] <larsu> I think dbus-daemon makes that when it first starts up?!
[11:44] <Laney> systemd and dbus
[11:44] <larsu> I'm unsure though
[11:44] <didrocks> systemd takes the dbus system id if it was generated beforehand
[11:45] <Laney> In a regular installation it's generated by the postinst (dbus-uuidgen)
[11:45] <Laney> BUT for downloadable images that doesn't work
[11:46] <didrocks> yeah, maybe it should just copiy the systemd generated machine-id at boot if there is no dbus id and dbus is installed
[11:47] <Laney> hmm
[11:48] <Laney> didrocks: looks like the upstart job had code to call uuidgen but the systemd unit doesn't
[11:49] <Laney> also the init script has this too
[11:50] <didrocks> interesting, so we should bring that up too
[11:51] <didrocks> Laney: want to do the patch or should I?
[11:52] <Laney> do you think upstream would have this?
[11:52] <pitti> oh, perhaps dbus'es .service doesn't do that because dbus-daemon uses /etc/machine-id? (that woudl be nice, at least)
[11:52] <pitti> or should something symlink that to /var?
[11:52] <didrocks> Laney: with the kdbus focus, I would say, they would use /etc/machine-id maybe
[11:53] <didrocks> I would really go with a symlink in PreExecStart at least
[11:53] <Laney> ya, maybe it does
[11:53] <didrocks> and maybe change our postinst hook to do this
[11:56] <Laney> looks like dbus-uuidgen --ensure already copies /etc/machine-id if it can
[11:56] <Laney> I can fix update-manager to prefer /etc/machine-id anyway
[11:58] <didrocks> yeah, that sounds saner (still keeping the usptart fallback until the next LTS at least)
[11:59] <Laney> could still be a good idea to have dbus run this for $random_packages
[12:00] <larsu> pitti: boot as of this morning takes > 1 min. Something about setting up cryptswap
[12:01] <larsu> do you need any logs from me or is this known?
[12:05] <pitti> larsu: not known; I saw a similar bug last night though, hang on
[12:05] <pitti> larsu: bug 1429354
[12:05] <pitti> larsu: if you can say for sure that it's the same, a response there would be appreciated (I left some question there); otherwise, rather file a new bug
[12:05] <pitti> easier to dup than to fork
[12:07] <larsu> pitti: seems like the same issue
[12:07] <larsu> I'll update the bug
[12:10] <larsu> let me know if you need more info
[12:12] <pitti> larsu: cheers
[12:12] <pitti> larsu: is that a standard cryptsetup vivid install? or custom partitioning/fstab?
[12:12] <pitti> larsu: I tested cryptsetup like a month ago or so, but not recently; if it's reproducible easily, that'd be helpful
[12:12] <larsu> pitti: very standard. Installed from 14.10 image this morning
[12:13] <pitti> larsu: ah, and then upgraded to vivid?
[12:14] <pitti> that should be simple to do then
[12:14] <larsu> yes
[12:14] <pitti> larsu: you didn't happen to try with a vivid daily install, I suppose?
[12:14] <pitti> well, I guess I'll try that first
[12:14] <larsu> pitti: no I havenn't sorry. Still had that image lying around on a usb key
[12:14] <pitti> no worries
[12:14] <larsu> oh wow, it doesn't detect any usb devices
[12:15] <larsu> systemd-udevd[294]: error opening USB device 'descriptors' file
[12:15] <pitti> larsu: and your udevadm info --export-db , s'il vous plaît ?
[12:15] <pitti> (to match the UUID to detected hw)
[12:16] <pitti> wow, cryptswap UUIDs from /dev/urandom -- I need to learn about how that's supposed to work
[12:16] <larsu> pitti: udevadm doesn't have a --export-db
[12:16] <larsu> hm, according to the man page, it does
[12:16] <pitti> larsu: le huh?
[12:17] <pitti> "info"?
[12:17] <larsu> hm?
[12:20] <larsu> oh, _info_
[12:20]  * larsu is blind today, sorry
[12:20] <larsu> coming up
[12:51] <didrocks> pitti: as you committed the first patch, mind having a look at http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-March/029174.html?
[12:52] <didrocks> just being a little bit less verbose (even if I don't like relying on a pid file to declare something is running or not, but as the function is factorized in systemd…)
[13:03] <pitti> didrocks: yes, can do; thanks!
[13:04] <didrocks> thanks :)
[13:13] <Sweet5hark> seb128: since its not Friday anymore, please consider uploading http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.4.1/libreoffice_4.4.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.4.1/libreoffice-l10n_4.4.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes  ;)
[13:22] <larsu> seb128: would appreciate a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/radiance-radio-colors/+merge/252290
[13:22] <seb128> larsu, k
[13:23] <seb128> Sweet5hark, noted, what was wrong on friday, you don't like to make builders busy over the w.e? ;-)
[13:29] <pitti> I've heard them cry for a union several times now, better give them some slack :)
[13:43] <pitti> larsu: hm, I installed a cryptsetup VM now, but it works fine; question on bug
[13:43] <pitti> larsu: oh, did you perhaps mean ecryptfs (encrypt the user's home dir), not encrypting the whole disk?
[13:43] <larsu> pitti: I was just typing that :)
[13:43] <larsu> pitti: all I did was check the 'encrypt home dir' box
[13:44]  * larsu is sorry if he caused confusion
[13:44] <pitti> aah
[13:44]  * pitti trashes his VM, wash&rinse&repeat :)
[13:48] <larsu> ochosi: I think it was you who asked me about this the other day? https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/prelight-and-focus-scale/+merge/252293
[13:48] <ochosi> larsu: indeed. oh nice!
[13:48] <ochosi> i'll take a peek
[13:48] <larsu> review appreciated :)
[13:49] <ochosi> right, that's interesting that this would fix it though
[13:49] <larsu> why?
[13:49] <ochosi> i mean the problem was not the scale not being highlighted/focused at all, but at the wrong coordinates
[13:49] <larsu> weird?
[13:49] <larsu> for me it wasn't highlighted at alll
[13:49] <ochosi> so if the mouse is 50px left of the scale's handle, it would get drawn focused
[13:50] <larsu> it does that by design
[13:50] <ochosi> oh, that's strange, cause this ^ is what i mentioned last time we talked
[13:50] <ochosi> by design?
[13:50] <ochosi> i guess you have to elaborate that a bit :)
[13:50] <larsu> ya, because the scale has focus
[13:50] <larsu> as soon as the cursor is on the menu item
[13:51] <ochosi> no
[13:51] <ochosi> that's not what i mean
[13:51] <larsu> ochosi: please file a bug next time. irc bug reports tend to get mistranslated apparently :)
[13:51]  * ochosi uploads screenshot
[13:51] <ochosi> hehe, i did ask you whether i should file one iirc ;)
[13:51] <larsu> don't listen to me!
[13:52] <larsu> future me will thank you
[13:52] <ochosi> haha
[13:52] <ochosi> ok
[13:52]  * ochosi notes that
[13:53] <ochosi> larsu: ok, so here you go: http://imgur.com/QrtxcuA
[13:54] <ochosi> hope that's clear enough now ):
[13:54] <ochosi> :)
[13:54] <larsu> ah, this is because I stopped translating event coords
[13:54] <larsu> I wonder why prelighting works for you though
[13:55]  * ochosi shrugs
[13:55] <ochosi> you could try whether this works for you as well though
[13:55] <ochosi> i mean this is not the typical place where you'd "search" for a hover
[13:57] <ochosi> tbh it'd be surprising for me if this didn't work at all for you
[14:00] <ochosi> larsu: so with your patch, the scale automatically looks hovered when you hover the menuitem?
[14:01] <ochosi> at least that's how i read this
[14:01] <larsu> ya, but it shouldn't on 2nd thought
[14:01] <larsu> only focused
[14:02] <ochosi> yeah, if that really makes a diff
[14:02] <ochosi> the thing is, only when the scale's button is highlighted should that part also look hovered
[14:03] <larsu> I don't understand that sentence...
[14:03] <larsu> you mean only when it's hovered it should be drawn prelighted?
[14:06] <ochosi> uhm, yeah, maybe i didn't really formulate that well enough...
[14:07] <ochosi> not when the scale's trough is hovered (as shown in one of my two screeners) but only when the scale's button is hovered should it be drawn in the darker blue hovered style
[14:07] <larsu> ya, I understood your bug :)
[14:07] <ochosi> oh ok, but what i meant was when reading your code that that'll simply work around that by always making it show hovered :)
[14:08]  * larsu is confused
[14:08] <ochosi> sry if this is confusing
[14:08] <larsu> my branch doesn't fix your bug, I was unaware of it until 5 mins ago
[14:08] <ochosi> i guess i should just test your code and report back ;)
[14:08] <ochosi> right, that's what i meant
[14:08] <larsu> (well, I might have been aware of it earlier)
[14:09] <pitti> larsu: oh dear
[14:09] <pitti> larsu: cryptswap is broken under upstart too, it just doesn't care and yell about it
[14:13] <larsu> pitti: oh, interesting. Anything I can do?
[14:14] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, do you plan to review https://code.launchpad.net/~yuningdodo/usb-creator/usb-creator.lp1325801v3-use-source-syslinux/+merge/250877 ? It seems you started reviewing the previous versions for it?
[14:15] <cyphermox> seb128: yes
[14:15] <seb128> cyphermox, great, thanks ;-)
[14:18] <pitti> larsu: I don't know yet how you can fix the cryptswap partition to do what it's supposed to do, I need to read up on that
[14:18] <pitti> larsu: but I need a break, back in ~ 1 h
[14:19] <larsu> pitti: enjoy!
[14:20] <willcooke> can haz new wallpaper
[14:20] <willcooke> it's uncompressed png's at the moment, design are working on compressed versions now.  Who wants them?
[14:23] <seb128> willcooke, want them, like in "to update the package"?
[14:23] <seb128> seems like xnox and Laney handled the most recent updates
[14:24] <xnox> yo, que?
[14:24] <willcooke> seb128, yeah - wants them -> can add them to the image/package
[14:24] <xnox> willcooke: anyone can update the wallpaper package =)
[14:24] <xnox> willcooke: just do it. Is it new, or just change of format?
[14:25] <xnox> willcooke: if new, current one needs to be added to the "legacy" set for those that want to use an old wallpaper.
[14:26] <willcooke> I'm not qualified
[14:26] <willcooke> ;)
[14:26] <xnox> willcooke: then open a bug report, attach the artifacts, and point us to it =)
[14:26] <willcooke> If someone wants to talk me through it, great - otherwise
[14:26] <willcooke> ^H^H^H^H^H kk
[14:26] <willcooke> thx xnox
[14:27] <willcooke> I'll get the compressed ones from JohnLea_ and then I'll open a bug
[14:28] <xnox> willcooke: cool.
[14:34] <ochosi> larsu: btw, another thing you might or might not have read in your backlog, i did some more work on symbolic icons and wanted to say that there is actually zero regression potential, because it automatically looks for the non-symbolic version if the symbolic one isn't found (gtk internally does that)
[14:35] <larsu> ochosi: we have -panel suffixes on some icons though which we'd rename
[14:35] <larsu> so there's some potential for regression
[14:35] <larsu> unless we keep those as fallback
[14:35]  * larsu is unsure
[14:36] <ochosi> you could, but you wouldn't have to rename them for 15.04
[14:36] <ochosi> for 15.10 i'd definitely rename them
[14:36] <larsu> we're not doing it for 15.04
[14:36] <larsu> if icons have taught me anything os far, it's "somethin _will_ go wrong"
[14:37] <ochosi> hehe, ok
[14:37] <Laney> willcooke: Probably put them here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1429011 and we can handle both the contest and default at the same time
[14:37] <Laney> s/them/it/?
[14:44] <willcooke> Laney, thanks.  We have two - a grey and a purple
[14:45] <Laney> which one's the default?
[14:45] <Laney> purple I guess
[14:46] <ogra_> purple is the rain, not the default :P
[14:48] <willcooke> JohnLea_, ^^^ which should be the default, the purple one?
[14:49] <JohnLea_> willcooke, the purple one should be default
[14:49] <willcooke> thanks JohnLea_
[14:50] <mpt> seb128_, does GDK allow APNG animations? <https://developer.gnome.org/gdk-pixbuf/unstable/gdk-pixbuf-Animations.html#gdk-pixbuf-animation-new-from-file> doesn’t say
[14:51] <Laney> mvo: if you have a minute, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/update-manager/testfixes please? (sorry to ping, but autopkgtest is sad)
[14:51] <mvo> Laney: heh, I was just looking at this :)
[14:51] <Laney> :D
[14:51] <mvo> Laney: and no worries, always ping me if in doubt
[14:51] <seb128_> mpt, I don't know, maybe Laney or larsu do know ... why?
[14:52] <mpt> seb128, because bug 889889
[14:52] <larsu> mpt: animated icons?
[14:53] <mpt> Animated spinners etc are afaik the only reason we use GIFs anywhere, and they look bad whenever the background color changes
[14:53] <larsu> mpt: afaik, linpng doesn't do apng
[14:53] <larsu> *libpng
[14:53] <mpt> larsu, hence <http://pronou.net/code/gdk-pixbuf-apng/>
[14:53] <mpt> Does GDK use libpng and only libpng?
[14:53] <larsu> for pngs, I think so
[14:53] <larsu> but you can write modules
[14:54] <dobey> mpt: is that for spinners in html/css pages, or in gtk+ widgets?
[14:54] <larsu> mpt: gtk uses a single png for spinners and css rotates that
[14:55] <mpt> ohhh rotation, I hadn’t thought of that
[14:55] <dobey> larsu: actually, gtk+ uses a single PNG which has an array of images, and it loops through them
[14:55] <dobey> well png or svg
[14:55] <larsu> dobey: no, not anymore
[14:55] <mpt> dobey, GTK+ widgets — HTML/CSS is covered by <https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17022> I think
[14:56] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151281
[14:56] <dobey> mpt: well, in html/css/js you can just draw stuff directly with JS, which i was going to suggest if that was the case
[14:56] <dobey> with the canvas or whatever
[14:56] <mpt> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
[14:56] <larsu> ugh
[15:01]  * Laney hugs mvo 
[15:03] <Laney> this should smooth new gtk3 right in there
[15:03] <dobey> larsu: oh, GtkSpinner doesn't use an icon at all any more
[15:03] <dobey> it just draws the lines with cairo
[15:04] <Sweet5hark> ubot5: dance!
[15:04]  * Sweet5hark just got LibreOffice to finish a build on ppc64el .... somehow.
[15:05] <Sweet5hark> Not yet ready for shipping, but still.
[15:05] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: it's that extra chicken you sacrificed well done for taking the initiative there ;)
[15:07] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: That was one of those chickens that look golden/white-striped to some and black/blue to others. Pretty rare those.
[15:08] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: :D
[15:09] <larsu> dobey: only in some fallback case. Normally, it just displays an icon that is rotated in a css animation
[15:09] <dobey> larsu: i just looked at the code and didn't see where it was actually loading an icon. *shrug*
[15:11] <larsu> dobey: it doesn't, it's set as a style (through gtk_render_background iirc)
[15:11] <larsu> welcome to the brave new world :)
[15:49] <seb128> Sweet5hark, sponsored
[15:57] <willcooke> mlankhorst, installing xmir on to my N4 (again, long story) - only pulls in ~ 6MB of files - does that sound about right?  If so - very happy :)
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> seb128: awesome, thanks!
[15:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, yw!
[16:03] <willcooke> anyone with an x220 (or v. similar) which is about 3 years old ->  any "funny" noises coming from your machine?  Like electrical sort of noises.  didrocks perhaps?
[16:04] <willcooke> it sounds a little bit like a HDD head hunting for blocks - only I have an SSD. :/
[16:04] <willcooke> I expect this is an expensive noise
[16:05] <davmor2> willcooke: fan on the cpu/gpu might be blocking with dust maybe?
[16:06] <willcooke> davmor2, good call - I've got some spray duster, so I'll try that
[16:06] <davmor2> willcooke: just thinking of spinning things that are left if you have an ssd :)
[16:07] <willcooke> I'm worried it's a noisy capacitor, which will spell death, but I don't think there are any in there big enough to make that loud a noise
[16:08] <pitti> Laney: yay, thanks for fixing update-manager
[16:09] <pitti> Laney: oh! that's because the current cloud images indeed boot with init=, they don't yet have systemd-sysv
[16:09] <pitti> I guess they can now stop doing htat
[16:10] <Laney> pitti: np, thanks to you for apport too!
[16:11] <pitti> one of many today :)
[16:11] <Laney> the future is here
[16:12] <didrocks> willcooke: sometimes, I have some kind of grinding, indeed
[16:12] <didrocks> willcooke: very light
[16:12] <didrocks> and unlikely to be the disk as I have a SSD as well
[16:12] <willcooke> ok, cool
[16:12] <willcooke> so we both need a new laptop then :)
[16:12] <didrocks> well unsure about "cool" :)
[16:12] <willcooke> haha
[16:13] <didrocks> willcooke: ahah, with my amazing-to-come bonus, I'm sure I'll afford one :p
[16:13] <Laney> *a tumbleweed blows through the channel*
[16:13] <willcooke> sure, why not
[16:13] <willcooke> XD
[16:13] <didrocks> heh
[16:14] <didrocks> Laney: I was almost hearing cicadas…
[16:14] <didrocks> and no, it's not that Lyon is in the south of France…
[16:14] <willcooke> Nah, that's my computer
[16:15] <didrocks> ahah
[16:15] <davmor2> Laney: why is the future here when we to busy to cope with the present ;)
[16:16] <Laney> davmor2: always slipping through our fingers into the past
[16:18] <davmor2> Laney: did you have a WHO-athon over the weekend?  That would suddenly explain this timey-wimey thing you've started
[16:19] <Laney> I had these cakes I bought from a guy on the street for lunch ...
[16:19] <Laney> where are those doritos?
[16:20] <davmor2> Laney: they weren't brownies were they :D
[16:20] <Laney> might be
[16:21]  * Laney gets paranoid
[16:23] <davmor2> Laney: Yeah those banana brownies man you need to watch out for those by baking the banana it raises the potassium levels greatly just drink plenty of water you'll be fine, that or a white rabbit who's late for a very important date ;)
[16:27] <pitti> larsu: ok, we now properly understand that cryptswap problem, bug 953875
[16:27] <pitti> it's ancient!
[16:27] <pitti> larsu: and we have a plan
[16:27] <qengho> willcooke, davmor2: I'm scared of blowing air through fast enough to clean, AND turn my fan into a generator -- and blowing something up. Either join my paranoia or assuage mine?
[16:28] <pitti> larsu: so, I can tell you how to fix your swap partition, if you actually want one
[16:28] <pitti> larsu: but if you don't mind, perhaps you can be my second-stage guinea pig for testing a postinst cleanup fix?
[16:30] <willcooke> qengho, I think your concerns are valid.  :D
[16:39] <davmor2> qengho: install Windows first it will likely blue screen and shut down before you can do any damage :)
[17:08] <pitti> larsu: bug updated, with a shell script to test (tested in my VM), and instructions how to fix your install
[17:12] <FJKong> seb128: didrocks https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/+bug/1413865 could you help me to upload the package?
[17:12] <seb128> FJKong, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors?
[17:13] <FJKong> oh how to do ?
[17:14] <seb128> FJKong, on the right of the bugpage click on "subscribe someone else" and enter "ubuntu-sponsors" ... you never asked for sponsoring before?
[17:14] <seb128> FJKong, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[17:14] <FJKong> seb128: thanks
[17:15] <seb128> yw!
[17:15] <didrocks> sounds the best yeah, indeed
[17:26] <seb128> Laney, is gvfs on your list of updates? seems like we started to follow the unstable serie but didn't do it for a while
[17:26] <dobey> oh right, i can't subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to an MP, only to bugs
[17:48] <mlankhorst> willcooke: xmir itself doesn't have that many deps
[17:49] <Laney> seb128: wasn't, forgot, but can be
[17:50] <seb128> Laney, would be nice :-) thanks
[17:50] <larsu> pitti: thanks! Can be the guinea pig if you still need me
[17:50] <larsu> pitti: I guess I should not run the script in that case?!
[17:51]  * larsu guesses pitti eod'ed already
[20:54] <willcooke> bug #1426851
[20:54] <willcooke> !?!?!
[21:02] <willcooke> hey robert_ancell
[21:02] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[21:03] <willcooke> robert_ancell, sorry to cancel on you at the last minute again
[21:03] <robert_ancell> np
[21:03] <willcooke> still getting caught up
[21:03] <willcooke> plus now I have to get the reviews done by EOW
[21:03] <willcooke> which is what I'm kinda doing now
[21:03] <willcooke> but it's too hard to stay focused :)
[21:04] <willcooke> I'll do one more, then tv & bed
[21:05] <robert_ancell> copy and paste is your friend ;)
[21:10] <willcooke> ha!
[21:38]  * willcooke -> EOD. g'night
[21:39] <willcooke> err, one more thing </columbo>
[21:39] <willcooke> I'm in London all day tomorrow, so mlankhorst will skip our 1:1 and catch up on IRC through out the day as usual
[21:39] <willcooke> also might not make team meeting, but Seb will chair
[21:40]  * willcooke exit.  Stage right