[01:06] <rick_h_> evening
[02:47] <gamerchick02> hello from humboldt, rich_h_
[02:47] <gamerchick02> ack. his dell xps 13.
[02:47] <gamerchick02> now mine. just gotta do a couple more things on it!!
[02:48] <gamerchick02> i'll need to pay you this week, rick_h_. and oh that note i'm going to bed soon!!
[02:49] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: rgr, just paypal rharding@mitechie.com if you get time
[02:49] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: awesome, glad it seems you're liking having it around as a good ole ubuntu machine :)
[02:50] <gamerchick02> probably tomorrow night. i need to hit the hay right now. i be-ith tired
[02:50] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: np, night
[02:50] <gamerchick02> seems to all work. i just have the bios thing and something about "not booting securely" but i'll fix that this week! night!
[12:48] <mrgoodcat> http://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html
[12:48] <rick_h_> morning
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> morning to you as well
[13:49] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:49] <cmaloney> Also: screw DST
[13:50] <cmaloney> I was going to tell greg-g that his site is down but apparently he knows.
[13:50] <cmaloney> since he's not in IRC.
[13:56] <rick_h_> heh
[13:56] <rick_h_> he doesn't know because he's sleeping
[14:13] <cmaloney> Likely
[14:13] <cmaloney> Getting up this morning was kind of tough
[14:13] <cmaloney> though it didn't help that the furnace decided not to kick off
[14:13] <cmaloney> Stupid thermostat needs replacing
[14:13] <rick_h_> hey, at least it's warmer :)
[14:13] <cmaloney> Yeah, but the cat was extra-glued to us
[19:23] <cmaloney> Wow, I've never felt better about getting a Pebble than after the Apple Watch event. :)
[19:27] <brousch> heh
[19:27] <brousch> I enjoy my LG G
[19:28] <rick_h_> lol
[19:28] <rick_h_> moto steel ftw :P
[19:28] <cmaloney> Pretty much anything at this point
[19:29] <cmaloney> Apple really misses Steve Jobs
[19:29] <cmaloney> I miss Steve Jobs at the helm of Apple
[19:30] <brousch> I've had many people ask if I'm getting one of those new smartwatches. I have to explain that I've had one since xmas
[19:30] <jrwren> i tell them I want something that never requires battery replacement or charging.
[19:31] <cmaloney> Although the new Macbook is pretty awesome.
[19:31] <cmaloney> Though not sure about the reflective Apple Logo
[19:31] <jrwren> bling!
[19:32] <brousch> It's not been a problem with the LG G. I generally have 30-40% power left when I put it on the charger each night
[19:32] <cmaloney> Bling is not the way to sell me on something
[19:32] <greg-g> but it is for the masses!
[19:32] <brousch> cmaloney: That's why you're not an apphole
[19:32] <jrwren> charger at night? why would I take it off. sleep in it!
[19:33] <greg-g> our Dir of UX was watching the live update page on apple.com this morning during a special long meeting we had today
[19:33] <jrwren> if you missed it, i accept nothing short of an automatic.
[19:33] <jrwren> the event today inspired me to put a detroit watch co watch on my amazon wish list :)
[19:33] <cmaloney> I sleep with my watch
[19:33] <cmaloney> I don't shower with it though
[19:34] <cmaloney> jrwren: link?
[19:34]  * greg-g hasn't worn a watch since high school
[19:34] <jrwren> http://detroitwatchco.com/collections/original-collection/products/1701-series
[19:35] <rick_h_> mmmm purdy
[19:35] <jrwren> someday... :)
[19:35] <greg-g> a $900 watch that doesn't also wash my dishes is too expensive
[19:35] <jrwren> greg-g: that is why... someday. :)
[19:35] <greg-g> or refridgerate my food
[19:36] <greg-g> even if I had $100,000,000 in the bank, I wouldn't buy a watch like that
[19:38] <brousch> Why would you sleep with your watch? Don't you bang it on the headboard and snag it in the blankets?
[19:38] <cmaloney> brousch: Too many ways to go horribly wrong with that sentence.
[19:38] <cmaloney> jrwren: Wow. That's a nice watch
[19:39] <jrwren> greg-g: seriously? 100,000,000 ?
[19:39] <jrwren> greg-g: I would, only because I'd want to represent Detroit.
[19:39] <cmaloney> That's the kind of watch that makes me wish I wasn't a) cheap, and b) wore watches that weren't tied to the Internet in some way.
[19:39] <greg-g> maaaaybe at a 100mil, but not at a mil
[19:40] <jrwren> greg-g: i'll let ya know if I have when, when I get to 1M$ :p
[19:40] <greg-g> :P
[19:41] <cmaloney> The only issue with sleeping with the Pebble is every now and again I'll hit it in such a way that it'll trigger the backlight
[19:41] <cmaloney> it's like having a wrist-mounted sun
[19:42] <brousch> I turn off my light and vibrations and set it on the wireless charger before bed. Put it on when I put on my clothes in the morning after a shower
[19:42] <cmaloney> I have a "powersave" app for the pebble
[19:43] <cmaloney> turns the face off, though doesn't turn off notifications / etc.
[19:43] <cmaloney> but my phone is in the other room.
[19:43] <cmaloney> (yes, I don't sleep with my phone)
[19:43] <brousch> I should see if I can have do that via tasker whenever the watch is charging
[19:44] <brousch> If not, time to make a little app!
[19:46] <brousch> http://imgur.com/yrtHOlI
[19:51] <brousch> What the ... they are seriously selling a $10,000 version of the apple watch?
[19:51] <brousch> I thought that was a joke
[19:53] <jrwren> how much is a rolex?
[19:53] <brousch> I have no idea
[19:54] <jrwren> its in the ballpark.
[19:57] <cmaloney> brousch: Yeah, that's why the internet is losing said collective shit.
[19:58] <brousch> The 12" macbook is actually kind of interesting
[19:58] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's the only thing that's remotely interesting
[20:03] <mthx> From an enginerring perspective, yes the new macbook is interesting. But seriously, only 2 ports, a USB3c and an Audio out? It's bad enough that the former version of the Macbook Air had to use thunderbolt adapters for virtually everything, it at least had separate power and USB ports. Now I would have to buy a whole slew of new adapters just to get my basic usb/ether/video-out/etc back. As if my gig bag didn't already have enough adapters in 
[20:04] <mthx> I guess if you only ever intend to use it as a single screen laptop at a Coffeehouse or as a conference device, it is quite appealing. I just can't see it as a practical daily driver.
[20:05] <jrwren> i would really hope it comes with a port replicator.
[20:05] <brousch> That's probably why it's macbook instead of pro
[20:06] <cmaloney> So is Thunderbolt replaced by USBc?
[20:06] <cmaloney> because I will LMAO
[20:06] <mthx> It is on the new Macbook. But the Air and Pro still have TB.
[20:06] <cmaloney> again, ass in danger of being laughed off
[20:09] <mthx> It would actually be really neat if the new macbook came with about 3 or 4 of the USB3c ports, and you were supplied with adapters for at least USB,HDMI, and Ethernet, with the purchase. I do like the idea of being able to use the same type of port for everything, and this seems to be a move in that direction.
[20:10] <brousch> With the purchase, that's a good one
[20:10] <jrwren> mthx: yea. i'd even be fine with the 1 port, and a replicator that has all of those.
[20:10] <mthx> Yea, I know, never going to happen. We could all hope right?
[20:12] <cmaloney> I'm sure they'll offer the USBc hub for $99
[20:12] <mthx> jrwen, Yea I could see that being a decent solution. I'd be curious how a single port would be able to handle power in, data transfers, and video out simultaniously though.
[20:12] <cmaloney> $129 if you want powered hub.
[20:15] <jrwren> mthx: i don't know much about usb3.1, but it i supposedly SUPERFAST
[20:17] <mthx> jrwren: I am not concerned to much about speed, more about how it handles incoming power alongside the other stuff. I'm not sure I would want to be doing tons of stuff on the same port that has tons of electricity flowing through it. I'm not an electrical engineer, so it might be that its a non-issue (or at least a solved one), it just feels a bit dangerous.
[20:17] <cmaloney> Nah
[20:18] <cmaloney> Although don't expect a USBc Google search to give you anything that isn't related to bowling
[20:19] <cmaloney> 12v 60W isn't going to do any damage
[20:19] <cmaloney> nor 20v at 100W
[20:20] <cmaloney> Though that could be one hell of a spark if you accidentally trip over it. :)
[20:27] <jrwren> mthx: its a non issue. the system as a whole draws very little power.
[20:29] <jrwren> 14.5V 3.1A is what macbook air currently uses for a power supply. so, 45W
[20:29] <jrwren> I'd not be surprised if this thing ships wiht a new style power brick that is even smaller. maybe 25W
[20:32] <cmaloney> Pretty sure the only reason it's at 14.5 V is so some twit doesn't try to hook up a Rat Shack 12V PSU.
[20:32] <jrwren> the macs?
[20:32] <cmaloney> yeah
[20:32] <jrwren> i've never seen a laptop that takes 12V
[20:33] <jrwren> its always some custom b.s.
[20:33] <cmaloney> Yeah
[20:33] <jrwren> http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Adapter-Battery-Charger-Laptops/dp/B004EHLNTM%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB004EHLNTM
[20:33] <jrwren> 15, 16, 18, 18.5, 19, 19.5, 20, 22, 24
[20:33] <cmaloney> That's pathetic
[20:34] <jrwren> which part? lack of standard?
[20:34] <cmaloney> Yes
[20:34] <jrwren> *shrug*
[20:34] <cmaloney> Having to have 15 different tips
[20:35] <jrwren> welcome to computing
[20:35] <cmaloney> Not on the desktop. :)
[20:47] <jrwren> mthx: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter
[20:47] <jrwren> cmaloney: you were so close. it is only $79
[20:48] <jrwren> oh god, that isn't even the replicator, that only gives HDMI and USB.
[20:50] <mthx> Hmm, still think that needs to come with the Macbook, not as an accessory.
[20:50] <mthx> Even so, at least they realized they would need something like that.
[20:51] <jrwren> mthx: i agree, and even taht item isn't good enough. It needs to have a thunderbolt port to be compat with their own thunderbolt displays, and preferably would have USB and Ethernet too :)
[20:51] <brousch> I'm sure they will have those on the macbook pro next time
[20:52] <jrwren> brousch: you think they will ever do a major rev to MBP again?
[20:52] <brousch> I would hope so.
[20:52] <brousch> I thought they would never make another macbook
[20:52] <brousch> Air and Pro seemed to have it all covered
[20:53] <mthx> Yea, as nice as it is to just connect to Wireless all the time, there is still a very legitimate need for ethernet. Highly dense networks for instance, like a college. It's really hard to supply decent Wifi with 3000+ people all trying to connect at the same time. Having some people connect via ethernet helps cut down on the wireless traffic quite a bit.
[20:57] <cmaloney> jrwren: You're kidding.
[20:57] <cmaloney> *sigh*
[20:58] <cmaloney> APPLEEEEEEEE
[20:58] <cmaloney> God, the throw on the Macbook keyboard is insane
[20:59] <brousch> I love apple's keyboards and touchpads
[21:00] <cmaloney> Pretty sure the next generation of keyboards will look a little like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Atari_400-IMG_1720.jpg
[21:01] <cmaloney> Also: this makes me sad: http://technabob.com/blog/2009/01/10/fridgebuzzz-atari-400-synth/
[21:01] <jrwren> brousch: i'm guessing the future will be the death of air and pro, converging on this new macbook.
[21:01] <cmaloney> brousch: Speaking of which, do you need one of the old BT keyboards?
[21:02] <brousch> old?
[21:03] <mthx> jrwren: Actually, I think Macbook and Air would merge, or that Air would just give away to Macbook. Either way, both of them seem to be fighting for the same userbase. The ultra portable lightweight market. Dropping the Pro would kind of kill most of their enterprise laptop market.
[21:04] <brousch> That is my thought
[21:04] <brousch> Need ultra portable? Go air/macbook. Need ports and external monitors? go pro
[21:05] <mthx> In fact, I am surprised they brought back the regualr Macbook. It would have seemed more appropriate to just introduce it as the 2015 Air, or go with Air+ *cough* since it was such as wonderful name for the iPhone 6/6+
[21:07] <cmaloney> "The new MacBook is the first Mac notebook ever without a fan. Since the Intel Core M chip draws only 5 watts of power and therefore generates less heat, no fan or heat pipe is required."
[21:07] <cmaloney> That's cool
[21:08] <cmaloney> though how will I know when Chrome is hung?
[21:19] <jrwren> mthx: what enterprise laptop market? :)
[21:20] <cmaloney> The one that Lenovo gave to HP
[21:21] <mthx> jrwen: A lot of business are buying their employees Macbook Pro's now, especially employees who travel a lot.
[21:22] <cmaloney> citation needed. ;)
[21:22] <mthx> Obviously not all business'. But where as 5 years ago, you never really say professionals using Macbook Pro's, you see it a lot more these days. Heck, go to just about any tech confierence and look around.
[21:22] <cmaloney> mthx: Yeah, Mac really took the developer community
[21:23] <mthx> 5 second search brought up this picture.
[21:23] <mthx> http://www.techdigest.tv/2015/01/nearly-everyone-who-covered-the-windows-10-announcement-uses-a-mac.html
[21:23] <cmaloney> Yeah
[21:23] <cmaloney> I think part of it is the macbook is a durable machine
[21:23] <cmaloney> or at least exudes durability.
[21:24] <jrwren> mthx: i strongly disagree. do you have numbers to backup your argument or is this anecdotal?
[21:24] <jrwren> my anecdote: over 50% of those macs are airs :]
[21:24] <cmaloney> http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/07/mac-achieves-highest-u-s-pc-market-share-ever-in-q3-2014-according-to-idc/
[21:28] <mthx> jrwen: Thats a fair point about those mostly being Air's, not Pro's. I suppose that might be attributed to those people being mostly Journalists who prefer portability/battery over most other things.
[21:36] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, i concur that the macbook air is relatively robust. granted, i don't abuse it, but i also don't baby it either.
[21:36] <mthx> At the College I work at, almost all Faculty and Staff are provided with Macbook Pro's or iMac's.  Their are a few I know of that have request something else, like myself (System76 Ultra Pro), but nearly everyone with a laptop is running on a Macbook Pro. Students of course provide their own computers and something like 70% of them are running Macs. I don't think we have stats that differentiate between Pro/Air, but just from walking around ca
[21:37] <cmaloney> ^^ college
[21:37] <cmaloney> ;)
[21:37] <cmaloney> College != enterprise, no matter how you slice it.
[21:39] <mthx> The people working in enterprise in a few years are in college right now. Mac's will continue to find their way into enterprise because thats what people are becoming more familiar with.
[21:39] <mthx> And quite frankly, that's already been happening since before I was even in college.
[21:40] <mthx> Go down to Ann Arbor and check up the start up seen. I would be willing to bet you will see a lot of people using Macs.
[21:41] <cmaloney> Ann Arbor != Reality. ;)
[21:41] <mthx> Ann Arbor != Detroit you mean :)
[21:41] <gamerchick02> lol cmaloney. also my whole office is a windows shop *sigh*
[21:42] <cmaloney> That's like saying that they're a ton of vegetarian restaurants on the planet because you can't swing a cat in Ann Arbor without hitting one.
[21:42] <cmaloney> bah, there are
[21:42] <mthx> There are a ton of vegetarian restraunts just about everywhere.
[21:42] <cmaloney> IN ANN ARBOR
[21:42] <cmaloney> italian restaurants don't count. ;)
[21:43] <gamerchick02> there are none in Auburn Hills or in Saginaw.
[21:43] <gamerchick02> granted that's where i've lived. also i'm not sure about Flint but there were none when i was there
[21:43] <cmaloney> I'm sure if you went to Meat Falls Texas you'd have a different picture.
[21:43] <mthx> Almost all major chain restaurants now have vegetarian options. Some are just the basics, like a vegie burger, but a lot actually do have legetimate menus
[21:43] <cmaloney> mthx: Agreed. It's getting better
[21:44] <cmaloney> At least National doesn't have the Vegetarian Tuna on the menu anymore
[21:44] <cmaloney> (which was their vegetarian sandwich with tuna)
[21:44] <mthx> In fact, about the only restraunt here in town I can't eat at (because I am in fact a vegetarian) is arby's.
[21:44] <mthx> Tuna is not vegetarian.
[21:44] <mthx> Give me their address, I'll go slap them.
[21:44] <cmaloney> They've since changed the menu
[21:45] <cmaloney> But yeah, apparnetly we weren't the first to notice it and ask our waitress
[21:45] <mthx> Heh, I bet quite a few vegetarians chewed their ears out over that one.
[21:46] <cmaloney> Though I know a few vegetarians who wouldn't have batted an eye
[21:46] <mthx> Posers
[21:46] <cmaloney> And would have argued at length about how tuna was now vegetarian
[21:46] <mthx> Piscetarians. *sigh*
[21:46] <cmaloney> more like idiots.
[21:46] <cmaloney> had one claim that kosher food was vegetarian.
[21:47] <mthx> Just to clarify, I got nothing against Pescetarian's, except when they call themselves vegetarian.
[21:47] <cmaloney> mthx: i just call myself an omnivore
[21:47] <cmaloney> I'll eat vegetarian at a lot of places because the food is better.
[21:47] <mthx> cmaloney: Nothing wrong with omnivore's either. As long as they don't call themselves vegetarians :)
[21:48] <cmaloney> I'm abut as vegetarian as I am feminine.
[21:49] <gamerchick02> LOL cmaloney.
[21:49] <mthx> ^^
[21:49] <gamerchick02> sorry, following this is quite interesting
[21:52] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ your 650 doesn't include the paypal fee, correct?
[21:52] <cmaloney> Send it as Friend
[21:52] <cmaloney> that'll negate the fees
[21:52] <gamerchick02> i'm doing that and it has some sort of fee associated with it
[21:52] <cmaloney> Waht's the fee?
[21:54] <gamerchick02> almost $20
[21:54] <cmaloney> hm. so non-zero then
[21:55] <gamerchick02> yeah
[21:55] <gamerchick02> $19.15 actually is the fee
[21:59] <gamerchick02> honestly, mailing a check would be much cheaper.
[22:00] <cmaloney> Do you have Bank of America bill-pay?
[22:02] <gamerchick02> i don't have BOA
[22:02] <gamerchick02> i'm with Chase
[22:02] <gamerchick02> i'll wait til he gets back in irc and then ask again.
[22:03] <cmaloney> I don't think he'll care but that's not my call to make
[22:03] <gamerchick02> we'll see what works for him better. honestly, a check and mail is gonna be less than a buck to send. almost $20 is kinda crazy
[22:03] <gamerchick02> yeah i know. and i won't be at CHC because i've got Nile the night before and i'll be exhausted that Wednesday night.
[22:04] <cmaloney> What's hilarious is I've used BOA to send my dad a check
[22:04] <cmaloney> They paid postage
[22:07] <gamerchick02> hah!
[22:08] <gamerchick02> does anyone have a recommendation for a 125 gb thumb drive? something relatively small (doesn't need to be USB3)? i want one for my "music drive" so i can move my music around between three computers.
[22:08] <gamerchick02> i'm betting microcenter would have one
[22:09] <jrwren> gamerchick02: get the fastest kind you can becuase that much data to copy gets SLOW!!!
[22:09] <gamerchick02> will USB3 be backwards compatible with USB2? (i presume so)
[22:10] <gamerchick02> and i'm also presuming that i won't have more than 125 gb of music in the future. bwah ha ha
[22:11] <gamerchick02> maybe i will go to microcenter when my month of hell is over.
[22:11] <gamerchick02> aka March.
[22:11] <gamerchick02> i have so much Nile stuff to do.
[22:23] <jrwren> gamerchick02: usb3 is back compat, but the connector on new MacBok is not
[22:23] <jrwren> http://store.apple.com/us/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter  $10 more than an apple tv.
[22:24] <jrwren> its an adapter.
[22:24] <mrgoodcat> 80$ to plug my yubikey in
[22:24] <mrgoodcat> i'm so excited
[22:24] <mrgoodcat> ~apple~
[22:24] <mrgoodcat> ಠ_ಠ
[22:25] <gamerchick02> holy crap
[22:26] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: that's fine, don't worry about the fee.
[22:27] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ you'd prefer a check? because you'd get more money and it'd be cheaper for me. win-win-winning?
[22:28] <gamerchick02> damn fees.
[22:30] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: whatever you want. The fees come out of what you put in right? So the fee is on my end?
[22:30] <gamerchick02> no i pay the fee
[22:30] <gamerchick02> that's what paypal was telling me
[22:30] <rick_h_> oh, then just cut the amount by the fee then
[22:30] <gamerchick02> i'd rather you get more money.
[22:31] <rick_h_> whatever works for you, I'm not worried about it.
[22:31] <gamerchick02> you can email me your mailing address if you want and i'll get it in the mail tomorrow from work.
[22:31] <gamerchick02> rpgirl1981 at gmail dot com
[22:31] <gamerchick02> i need to pay my power bill anyway
[22:32] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: k, sent
[22:36] <gamerchick02> rock out
[22:43] <jrwren> https://twitter.com/rolldiggity/status/575046365715173376
[22:43] <jrwren> bwahahahaha
[22:46] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ will be in the mail tomorrow
[22:47] <gamerchick02> no i mean the check will be in the mail tomorrow. not that you'll be in the mail tomorrow.
[22:47] <gamerchick02> jrwren LOL