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Kilosmorning all04:46
nlsthznhey uncle Kilos 04:53
Kiloshi there nlsthzn  04:54
Kilosdid you see the team report is done04:54
Kilossay ty pro04:54
Kilosnlsthzn  hows mom and baby doing?04:57
nlsthznah ok (thanks inetpro) ... I have a lot of time throughout the day but never more than 10 minutes at a time before my attention is demanded some place else :/04:58
nlsthznmom and baby doing well thanks for asking :)04:58
Kilosyay04:58
Kilosso the team report is just a link to minutes?04:59
nlsthznand anything else that happened during the month05:13
nlsthznlinks to blog posts etc05:13
Kilosah05:14
nlsthznthe issue was always getting that info from people to be able to update the report05:14
nlsthznother than that it is mostly the irc meeting05:15
Kilosyeah i remember05:15
Kiloshi Padroni  05:16
Kilosyou didnt keep us informed on your progress05:16
Kilosoh05:17
Kiloshes bang to tell us he broke it05:20
Kiloswb Padroni  05:21
Padronimorning05:21
Kiloswhat are you breaking05:21
Padroninothing much05:31
Padroniplaying warthunder05:31
Kiloslol05:32
Kilosdid you fix the boot prob man, i left lots of messages for you but you disappeared05:32
Padroniyeah i did, thank05:36
Padroniyou05:36
Kilosfinish your game then you can tell me how or blog the solution05:37
barrydkMorning everyone05:39
Kiloshi barrydk  05:46
Padronidownloaded the 64bit boot-repair disk and fixed it05:48
PadroniI am thinking of maybe migrating my install over to a different harddrive05:49
PadroniI have a 2TB laying around that I am not using atm05:49
Kilossjoe05:49
Kilosi would just run boot-repair from sda to make sure its good05:50
Kilosi dont use the cd tool05:51
Padronianywya05:57
Padroni*anyway05:57
Padroniback to work05:57
Padronisee you later05:57
Kilosok05:57
Kilosmorning inetpro  06:20
Kilosam i still on the hook?06:20
ThatGraemeGuymornings06:27
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  can i ask you to do me a favour when you have time please06:30
ThatGraemeGuyyou can always ask anything06:31
Kilosand move the spawn place to near the hub06:31
ThatGraemeGuyno guarantees what the answer will be though :D06:31
Kilospeeps are spawning underground06:31
Kiloshaha06:31
ThatGraemeGuythey are? :-o06:32
ThatGraemeGuyexisting ones or new ones?06:32
Kilosyeah 3 peeps now06:32
Kilosboth06:32
Kilosthe fly and 2 new ones06:32
ThatGraemeGuyoh noes06:32
ThatGraemeGuynot sure how that happens, will look into it06:32
Kilosty very much06:32
ThatGraemeGuyexisting ones should rejoin wherever they were previously, that's very odd06:33
ThatGraemeGuyhow far underground do they spawn?06:33
ThatGraemeGuyand where, more or less06:33
ThatGraemeGuylike way far from town or close to some place06:34
Kilosmaybe 20 nodes down i think06:34
Kilosbetween existing places06:34
ThatGraemeGuyok, so construct a nice building so that they spawn in that :-p06:36
Kilosi didnt think to ask if its after dying first06:36
Kilosok will do06:36
Kilosany size in particular?06:36
ThatGraemeGuyi'm just kidding06:36
Kiloslol06:36
ThatGraemeGuywhen you say 20 nodes down you mean 20 below the ground level or Y = -20?06:37
Kilosdown we have to dig them out06:37
ThatGraemeGuythat doesn't answer my question06:37
Kilosnot sure where fly spawned but he dug himself out06:37
ThatGraemeGuyok well i have no ADSL at home so I'll have to see if I can look into it sometime06:38
Kilosi dont know how to answer that06:38
Kilosty06:38
ThatGraemeGuyyou know what I mean by Y=-20?06:38
Kiloslol in the meantime ill tell them to stay alive06:38
Kilosy axis -20?06:39
ThatGraemeGuyk, never mind06:39
ThatGraemeGuyi'll look sometime06:39
Kilosty06:39
SquirmMorning07:00
Kiloshi Squirm  07:00
inetprogood mornings07:13
Kiloslo pro07:14
magellanicsuperfly: fair enough @ star wars :p07:32
Kiloshaha07:40
magellanicheya07:40
Kiloshi magellanic  07:40
SilverCodemorning07:53
Kiloshi SilverCode  07:53
nlsthznwe should standarize the info we give on trello and the wiki to be consistent with the info the rest of the ubuntu wiki's and official / un-official docs give - case in point using apt-get and not aptitude etc...08:26
Kiloslol you dont like aptitude nlsthzn  08:27
Kiloshehe08:27
nlsthznit does the job08:27
Kilosi prefer it08:27
Kilosbut standardization is good08:28
Kiloseveryone use apt-get and leave the choice up to the aptitude users to decide for themselves08:28
nlsthznfunny thing is one of the reasons you like it is actually a reason NOT to use it.  Updating underlying parts of the OS like the kernel etc. when not needed leads to unplanned and unexpected breakage... which is why you don't always want it to happen.  Average Joe doesn't care of kernel version as long as everything works08:29
Kilosya but think a bit08:29
Kiloswhen you apt-get upgrade and there are kernel updates which it doesnt do then the update manager pops up anyway08:30
Kilosand update manager is so slow08:30
nlsthznnot really... it uses the same applications you where running from terminal 08:31
highvoltage"everyone use apt-get"08:31
highvoltageeveryone? :)08:31
* highvoltage switched to just 'apt' when it hit version 108:32
highvoltageKilos: ah I see what you mean08:32
nlsthznhighvoltage, my point is apt-get command seems to be the standard when you search for assistance to do with ubuntu online08:32
nlsthzneveryone is free to use what they like :p08:33
mazalMorning everyone08:33
Kilosi installed ubuntu server here a couple of times, and there they advice you to use aptitude08:33
Kilosadvise08:33
Kilosaptitude upgrading has never crashed my kde08:34
nlsthznKilos, there being where>08:34
nlsthzn?08:34
Kilostheir sorry08:35
Kilosno 08:35
Kilosin the ubuntu server guide i think it was08:35
Kilosor maybe even online stuff. i remember words like use aptitude , dont mix apt-get and aptitude 08:36
Kilosuse aptitude for everything08:36
Kilosi do mix them though, i use apt-get update and aptitude upgrade08:37
mazalOne of the things I must still learn 08:37
Kiloshi mazal  08:37
mazalaptitude that is08:37
mazaland also , how to safely and correctly remove old kernels08:37
nlsthznI guess it isn't a huge deal08:37
Kilosaptitude does it safely08:38
mazalI must just learn the aptitude commands syntex08:38
mazalI never used it before08:38
Kilosman aptitude08:38
Kiloshehe08:39
mazalman is useless for me oom , you know this :P08:39
Kilosi bet the pro is smirking08:39
Kilosfor me too08:39
Kilosi hate man08:39
mazalI learn from examples08:39
Kilosonly good thing i found there was to use -c with wget08:39
nlsthznI see aptitude isn't a default install either...08:40
Kilosno08:40
nlsthznthis should be a clue to what is the best to use then perhaps ;)08:40
Kilosthats for noobs08:41
Kiloshehe08:41
Kilosgdebi also isnt defaulted08:41
Kilosand synaptic08:41
mazalSo which one is the default ?08:41
Kilosapt-get08:42
mazalk08:42
Kilospro and fly taught me to use aptitude, and theyve guided me from the beginning08:42
Kiloswb barrydk  08:44
* Squirm looks around08:53
Kiloslol08:53
SquirmMaaz: coffee08:53
MaazSquirm: coffee is liquid code08:53
SquirmMaaz: coffee on08:53
* Maaz puts the kettle on08:53
SquirmMaaz: large08:53
MaazIn a beer mug just for you Squirm08:53
highvoltageKilos: I think apt is now more default than apt-get08:53
Squirm:D08:54
KilosSquirm  you must use the tool repait thing 08:54
highvoltage(docs etc just needs updating)08:54
SquirmKilos: the what?08:54
Kilosaha ty highvoltage  08:54
* Padroni remebers it was apt- that made linux so inviting in the first place08:54
Kilosrepair08:54
Squirmoh, minetest08:54
Kilosalone my wall with all the machines running on power the last 2 repair worn tools08:55
Squirmyeah, I couldn't find it and don't know how to08:55
highvoltageyeah before apt version 1 you had to use apt-get and apt-cache, since version 1 you can use just 'apt' and you get 'fancy' things like colours08:55
Kilossounds good highvoltage  will look into that08:55
* Padroni notes the lack of colours in his terminal...08:55
SquirmOk08:55
SquirmI'll have a look08:55
SquirmI figured someone would repair them ;)08:56
SquirmThanks Kilos08:56
Kilosyw08:56
Kilosat 100m an hour i cant spend time doing repairs08:56
MaazCoffee's ready for Squirm!08:57
Squirmwoop08:57
Kilosaw i forgot08:57
SquirmSorry Kilos08:58
Kilosnp08:58
SquirmI'll find the machine :P08:58
Squirmmy house is protected by lava :D08:58
Kilosthere are 2 next to each other and one below08:58
Kiloslol08:58
Padronii think we should all start playing warthunder.08:58
Padroniyou know08:58
mazalKilos: you guys minetesting again :)08:58
Padronigrab a tank and go blow some sh!t up08:58
Kilosya08:58
Squirmlol Padroni08:58
mazalcool :)08:58
SquirmPadroni: is it free?08:58
PadroniSquirm:  Yes.  It is.08:59
Padroniwww.warthunder.com08:59
Padroniit's in steam as well08:59
SquirmThen I'll look into it08:59
mazalKilos: We are busy rebuilding our new world08:59
KilosPadroni  measure data use 08:59
Kilosagain08:59
Padroninot much i think08:59
Padronibut the innitial download is 10Gb09:00
Kilosminetest eats 100m an hour09:00
Kilosouch09:00
Padroniper match data use I doubt will be much09:00
PadroniI have uncapped so I never thought to look at what it uses09:00
nlsthznwarthunder is fun... have flown a mission or two09:00
Kilos10g is six months data for me man09:01
Kiloscome up with a better proposal09:01
Kilosnlsthzn  you have probs login in to the ubuntu wiki09:15
Kilosi battled too with opera but chrome goes in quick09:15
nlsthznin eventually09:18
Kilossjoe09:18
mazalis warthunder an online only game ? IE , you have to be signed in to their servers to play ?10:06
mazalPadroni: ^^10:09
Kilosyes i think so mazal  10:10
nlsthznyup10:10
Padroniyes, mazal10:11
Padronithis saddens me also10:11
mazalI'll pass then. Don't play games like that10:11
Kiloshehe you uncapped okes must smile man10:11
* nlsthzn is smiling10:12
nlsthznuncapped data but not uncapped time10:12
nlsthzn:'(10:12
mazalInternet to unrealiable10:12
Kilosaw10:12
nuvolario/13:31
Kiloslo nuvolari  13:32
nuvolarioh hi oom Kilos :D13:32
nuvolarigaan dit goed?13:32
Kilosja dankie en jy?13:32
SquirmHeya nuvolari13:36
nuvolaridit gaan goed dankie oom Kilos 13:41
nuvolarioh hi Squirm 13:41
nuvolarisup?13:41
* nuvolari had a torturous Sunday13:41
nuvolari:P13:41
Squirmhaha13:41
SquirmI think I got out of bed at about 1113:41
Kiloshmm...13:47
KilosMaaz  tell ThatGraemeGuy  Hut near travel hub done16:01
MaazKilos: Got it, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode16:01
KilosSquirm   ?16:02
Symmetriaman16:53
SymmetriaI love these raspberry pi devices16:53
Symmetriaportable linux pc in your hand 16:53
magellanichow long it took to get yours?16:55
magellanicbut yeah, awesome16:55
magellanic:D16:55
Symmetrialol, I cheated, since I'm doing legit company dev work on the things16:55
Symmetriaso I just used the company amex card and ordered 10 off amazon and had them next day shipped to someone in London who was flying out here hte next day16:56
Symmetria:P so ordered on friday and have 10 of them connected right now on my desk16:56
Symmetriaheh if what Im doing works out, I'll then have marketting department go build some custom liquid branded cases ;p16:56
Symmetriakinda pissed that the cases I ordered dont fit if the goddamn sd card is in it :P 16:57
magellanic:p16:59
magellanicnice, at least you have 1016:59
Symmetriaheh need a faster way to duplicate SD cards though :P17:06
Symmetriagod DD takes a long time to write out 8gig ;p17:06
magellanicare you tweaking its block size or anything?17:07
Symmetriaheh, writing out with 1meg blocks17:08
SymmetriaI think I might try DD with 10meg blocks :P17:08
Symmetriasee if its faster17:08
magespawngood evening17:09
magellanicevening magespawn 17:10
magespawn]evening magellanic 17:11
magespawnis die oom and die slaap?17:11
magespawns/and/an17:11
magellanicSymmetria: yep. check vmstat though, maybe io over sdcard is just slow?17:11
magellanicKilos: slaap jy?17:12
Symmetriapossible :) will see what happens with this write-out17:12
magellaniccool17:12
magellanicbbl17:27
Kilosnee man het gaan eet17:28
Kilossorry magespawn  17:28
Symmetriaheh how cool17:28
Symmetriamy wifi works on my PI ;p17:28
Symmetriastraight out of the box with debian17:28
Symmetriaand its 802.11n17:29
Symmetria;p17:29
magespawncool beans Symmetria 17:29
Symmetriaheh I turned it into a low speed router ;p17:30
SquirmKilos: ?18:04
SquirmSorry, just got home from work18:04
Kilosnp18:04
Kilosnow gotta try remember what i wanted to tell you18:05
Squirmlol18:06
Kilossjoe18:06
inetprogoodmornings18:20
Kiloslol hi inetpro  18:20
Kiloshickory dickory dock18:21
inetproThe mouse ran up the clock18:21
Kiloshehehehe18:22
inetproThe clock struck one,18:22
inetproThe mouse ran down,18:22
inetproHickory, dickory, dock18:22
inetpropublished in London in about 174418:22
Kiloswow you even knw it18:22
Kilosah google  the pest18:23
inetprowho doesn't18:23
Kilosi thought only peeps that can tell the time knew it18:23
inetproit's still morning ain't it?18:24
Kiloslol18:24
Kiloswhat did you do today18:24
inetprosleep18:26
Kiloswow all day18:27
Kilosyou on holiday again?18:27
inetproI was sleeping in here18:27
Kilosohlurking as usual18:27
inetproa virtual sleep18:27
Kiloslol18:28
Kilosdo you want to do something useful?18:28
Kilosmail the list and ask all za members to please fill in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members or at least mail one of us the info18:29
Kilosmost of them dont see me, just like you18:30
inetprouh18:34
KilosMaaz  define uh18:35
MaazKilos: I don't know about uh. Maybe you meant H, u, Ugh, Puh, Ah, CH, Eh, LH, Oh, Th, Um, Un-, Up, Ur, Us, Ut, h, uuh, uhf, bh, lh, nh, oh, ph, rh, th, uk, un, up, ur, us, ut, uv, u-, uha, uhc, uhl, ah, mh, ui, ua, uc, ul, ue or uw?18:35
KilosMaaz  uh is <reply> uh means I don't really want to do it but i will if i have to18:36
MaazKilos: I'll remember that18:37
inetprouh?18:39
Kilosai!18:40
inetpro. .... !18:41
Kilosim gonna hit you18:42
magespawnlol18:46
Kiloshe can be so maddening at times hey magespawn  18:46
Kiloshehe18:46
magespawnno comment18:47
Kiloslol chicken18:47
magespawni am going to plead the 5th on this one18:47
Kilospuk puk puk puk18:47
* magespawn is busy studying for linux+, learning about | at the moment18:47
Kilosgood18:48
Kilosive used that before but forget why18:48
magespawnit is for passing the output of one command to the input of the next command18:50
Kilospipe its called18:50
Kilos?18:50
magespawnyup18:50
Kilosyay18:50
magespawnKilos i am using the comptia liunx+ study guide, apart from being a study guide, it looks like it might be a fair reference manual too18:54
Kilosis it free?18:55
Kilosmaybe if i last another 20 years ill understand some things18:55
magespawnnot this one, i have bought the hard copy18:56
Kilosah18:56
magespawni thi8nk you understand more than you give yourself credit for18:56
magespawnthink too18:56
Kilosnono man its my backup staff that knows it all18:57
* inetpro agrees with magespawn18:58
magespawnthey can be the best teachers sometimes18:58
inetprowelcome back magellanic_18:59
Kilosthey are, but it all depends on the student18:59
Kilosat times i think they are sorry they ever started18:59
magellanic_thanks19:00
Kilosi now get answers like uh and  .... !19:00
Kilosinstead of with pleasure19:00
magespawnthat which we achieve too easily we value too lightly19:00
magespawnwhy would you want to do something like this "find ./ -name "*~" | xargs -d "\n" rm19:04
magespawni understand that this example is to show the use of | and xargs 19:04
Kilosis the rm at the end remove?19:04
magespawnyes19:05
Kilosso it finds it pipes it to the arg place then removes it19:05
magespawni do not understand the use of "find" first19:05
magespawnyes19:05
Kiloslol19:05
magespawnbut could you not just use "rm *.~" 19:06
Kilosno man19:06
Kilosyou arent removing it19:06
Kilosyou find it , pipe it and remove the piped one19:06
Kilosso you dont leave a mess in the system19:07
magespawnexactly19:07
Kilosthats how i see that19:07
Kilosits for practise19:07
Kilosi wish the clever okes would but in19:08
magespawnthe first part finds all the files ending in ~ the second part removes those files, so " rm *.~" in ./ will accomplish the same thing19:08
magellanic_hmm, I wouldn't run anything pasted in this chan, at all :D19:08
Kiloslol19:09
magespawnunless i am missing something19:09
Kilosmagespawn  lets think19:09
* Kilos stands on head19:09
magespawnindeed dodgy bunch in here for sure19:09
Kilosit finds all those files and pipes them19:09
Kilosthen it removes the piped ones not the found ones19:10
Kilosthen you crash pc19:10
magespawnthe found ones are piped to the second command19:10
Kilosya19:10
magespawnon the first command you would not have to be in the directory that you wanted to remove the files from19:11
magespawnconfirmation anyone?19:11
magellanic_where'd you get the command from?19:11
magellanic_well the ./ tells find to work from where you currently are19:11
magespawnlinux+ study guide19:11
magellanic_oh okay19:12
magespawnso you could put any path in there?19:12
magespawnlike /home?19:12
magellanic_yeah19:12
magespawnahh right that makes more sense then19:12
magellanic_magespawn: find will also look recursively by default, given dir and everything under it19:29
magellanic_another reason to do that, might be that ~ is special to the shell, it could be dangerous to use with rm directly, using find, you can first print out what it finds, and when happy, pipe to remove them19:30
Kilosah magellanic_  you are actually quite clever hey19:32
Kilosjust scared of work19:32
Kilosfree work that is19:32
magellanic_why thank you oom19:33
magellanic_yes work means effort19:34
magellanic_:p19:34
Kiloslol19:34
SymmetriaLinux monitor-ltk 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux19:34
Symmetria<319:34
magellanic_the hostname does contain pi then? :/19:36
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:37
magespawngood night Kilos 19:37
magespawnmagellanic_: will it allow you a break before it executes the piped command?19:38
magellanic_not in that form, but you can find the find without the pipe, to see what it would pass to xargs19:39
magellanic_run the find*19:39
magespawnahh right19:39
magespawntime for my bedtime too19:50
magespawngood night all19:50
magellanic_cheers19:58

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