[04:46] <Kilos> morning all
[04:53] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos 
[04:54] <Kilos> hi there nlsthzn  
[04:54] <Kilos> did you see the team report is done
[04:54] <Kilos> say ty pro
[04:57] <Kilos> nlsthzn  hows mom and baby doing?
[04:58] <nlsthzn> ah ok (thanks inetpro) ... I have a lot of time throughout the day but never more than 10 minutes at a time before my attention is demanded some place else :/
[04:58] <nlsthzn> mom and baby doing well thanks for asking :)
[04:58] <Kilos> yay
[04:59] <Kilos> so the team report is just a link to minutes?
[05:13] <nlsthzn> and anything else that happened during the month
[05:13] <nlsthzn> links to blog posts etc
[05:14] <Kilos> ah
[05:14] <nlsthzn> the issue was always getting that info from people to be able to update the report
[05:15] <nlsthzn> other than that it is mostly the irc meeting
[05:15] <Kilos> yeah i remember
[05:16] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[05:16] <Kilos> you didnt keep us informed on your progress
[05:17] <Kilos> oh
[05:20] <Kilos> hes bang to tell us he broke it
[05:21] <Kilos> wb Padroni  
[05:21] <Padroni> morning
[05:21] <Kilos> what are you breaking
[05:31] <Padroni> nothing much
[05:31] <Padroni> playing warthunder
[05:32] <Kilos> lol
[05:32] <Kilos> did you fix the boot prob man, i left lots of messages for you but you disappeared
[05:36] <Padroni> yeah i did, thank
[05:36] <Padroni> you
[05:37] <Kilos> finish your game then you can tell me how or blog the solution
[05:39] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:46] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[05:48] <Padroni> downloaded the 64bit boot-repair disk and fixed it
[05:49] <Padroni> I am thinking of maybe migrating my install over to a different harddrive
[05:49] <Padroni> I have a 2TB laying around that I am not using atm
[05:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:50] <Kilos> i would just run boot-repair from sda to make sure its good
[05:51] <Kilos> i dont use the cd tool
[05:57] <Padroni> anywya
[05:57] <Padroni> *anyway
[05:57] <Padroni> back to work
[05:57] <Padroni> see you later
[05:57] <Kilos> ok
[06:20] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[06:20] <Kilos> am i still on the hook?
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:30] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  can i ask you to do me a favour when you have time please
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can always ask anything
[06:31] <Kilos> and move the spawn place to near the hub
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> no guarantees what the answer will be though :D
[06:31] <Kilos> peeps are spawning underground
[06:31] <Kilos> haha
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> they are? :-o
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> existing ones or new ones?
[06:32] <Kilos> yeah 3 peeps now
[06:32] <Kilos> both
[06:32] <Kilos> the fly and 2 new ones
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh noes
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure how that happens, will look into it
[06:32] <Kilos> ty very much
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> existing ones should rejoin wherever they were previously, that's very odd
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> how far underground do they spawn?
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> and where, more or less
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> like way far from town or close to some place
[06:34] <Kilos> maybe 20 nodes down i think
[06:34] <Kilos> between existing places
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, so construct a nice building so that they spawn in that :-p
[06:36] <Kilos> i didnt think to ask if its after dying first
[06:36] <Kilos> ok will do
[06:36] <Kilos> any size in particular?
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm just kidding
[06:36] <Kilos> lol
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> when you say 20 nodes down you mean 20 below the ground level or Y = -20?
[06:37] <Kilos> down we have to dig them out
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> that doesn't answer my question
[06:37] <Kilos> not sure where fly spawned but he dug himself out
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok well i have no ADSL at home so I'll have to see if I can look into it sometime
[06:38] <Kilos> i dont know how to answer that
[06:38] <Kilos> ty
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> you know what I mean by Y=-20?
[06:38] <Kilos> lol in the meantime ill tell them to stay alive
[06:39] <Kilos> y axis -20?
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> k, never mind
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll look sometime
[06:39] <Kilos> ty
[07:00] <Squirm> Morning
[07:00] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:13] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:14] <Kilos> lo pro
[07:32] <magellanic> superfly: fair enough @ star wars :p
[07:40] <Kilos> haha
[07:40] <magellanic> heya
[07:40] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[07:53] <SilverCode> morning
[07:53] <Kilos> hi SilverCode  
[08:26] <nlsthzn> we should standarize the info we give on trello and the wiki to be consistent with the info the rest of the ubuntu wiki's and official / un-official docs give - case in point using apt-get and not aptitude etc...
[08:27] <Kilos> lol you dont like aptitude nlsthzn  
[08:27] <Kilos> hehe
[08:27] <nlsthzn> it does the job
[08:27] <Kilos> i prefer it
[08:28] <Kilos> but standardization is good
[08:28] <Kilos> everyone use apt-get and leave the choice up to the aptitude users to decide for themselves
[08:29] <nlsthzn> funny thing is one of the reasons you like it is actually a reason NOT to use it.  Updating underlying parts of the OS like the kernel etc. when not needed leads to unplanned and unexpected breakage... which is why you don't always want it to happen.  Average Joe doesn't care of kernel version as long as everything works
[08:29] <Kilos> ya but think a bit
[08:30] <Kilos> when you apt-get upgrade and there are kernel updates which it doesnt do then the update manager pops up anyway
[08:30] <Kilos> and update manager is so slow
[08:31] <nlsthzn> not really... it uses the same applications you where running from terminal 
[08:31] <highvoltage> "everyone use apt-get"
[08:31] <highvoltage> everyone? :)
[08:32]  * highvoltage switched to just 'apt' when it hit version 1
[08:32] <highvoltage> Kilos: ah I see what you mean
[08:32] <nlsthzn> highvoltage, my point is apt-get command seems to be the standard when you search for assistance to do with ubuntu online
[08:33] <nlsthzn> everyone is free to use what they like :p
[08:33] <mazal> Morning everyone
[08:33] <Kilos> i installed ubuntu server here a couple of times, and there they advice you to use aptitude
[08:33] <Kilos> advise
[08:34] <Kilos> aptitude upgrading has never crashed my kde
[08:34] <nlsthzn> Kilos, there being where>
[08:34] <nlsthzn> ?
[08:35] <Kilos> their sorry
[08:35] <Kilos> no 
[08:35] <Kilos> in the ubuntu server guide i think it was
[08:36] <Kilos> or maybe even online stuff. i remember words like use aptitude , dont mix apt-get and aptitude 
[08:36] <Kilos> use aptitude for everything
[08:37] <Kilos> i do mix them though, i use apt-get update and aptitude upgrade
[08:37] <mazal> One of the things I must still learn 
[08:37] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[08:37] <mazal> aptitude that is
[08:37] <mazal> and also , how to safely and correctly remove old kernels
[08:37] <nlsthzn> I guess it isn't a huge deal
[08:38] <Kilos> aptitude does it safely
[08:38] <mazal> I must just learn the aptitude commands syntex
[08:38] <mazal> I never used it before
[08:38] <Kilos> man aptitude
[08:39] <Kilos> hehe
[08:39] <mazal> man is useless for me oom , you know this :P
[08:39] <Kilos> i bet the pro is smirking
[08:39] <Kilos> for me too
[08:39] <Kilos> i hate man
[08:39] <mazal> I learn from examples
[08:39] <Kilos> only good thing i found there was to use -c with wget
[08:40] <nlsthzn> I see aptitude isn't a default install either...
[08:40] <Kilos> no
[08:40] <nlsthzn> this should be a clue to what is the best to use then perhaps ;)
[08:41] <Kilos> thats for noobs
[08:41] <Kilos> hehe
[08:41] <Kilos> gdebi also isnt defaulted
[08:41] <Kilos> and synaptic
[08:41] <mazal> So which one is the default ?
[08:42] <Kilos> apt-get
[08:42] <mazal> k
[08:42] <Kilos> pro and fly taught me to use aptitude, and theyve guided me from the beginning
[08:44] <Kilos> wb barrydk  
[08:53]  * Squirm looks around
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[08:53] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee
[08:53] <Maaz> Squirm: coffee is liquid code
[08:53] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[08:53]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:53] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[08:53] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[08:53] <highvoltage> Kilos: I think apt is now more default than apt-get
[08:54] <Squirm> :D
[08:54] <Kilos> Squirm  you must use the tool repait thing 
[08:54] <highvoltage> (docs etc just needs updating)
[08:54] <Squirm> Kilos: the what?
[08:54] <Kilos> aha ty highvoltage  
[08:54]  * Padroni remebers it was apt- that made linux so inviting in the first place
[08:54] <Kilos> repair
[08:54] <Squirm> oh, minetest
[08:55] <Kilos> alone my wall with all the machines running on power the last 2 repair worn tools
[08:55] <Squirm> yeah, I couldn't find it and don't know how to
[08:55] <highvoltage> yeah before apt version 1 you had to use apt-get and apt-cache, since version 1 you can use just 'apt' and you get 'fancy' things like colours
[08:55] <Kilos> sounds good highvoltage  will look into that
[08:55]  * Padroni notes the lack of colours in his terminal...
[08:55] <Squirm> Ok
[08:55] <Squirm> I'll have a look
[08:56] <Squirm> I figured someone would repair them ;)
[08:56] <Squirm> Thanks Kilos
[08:56] <Kilos> yw
[08:56] <Kilos> at 100m an hour i cant spend time doing repairs
[08:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[08:57] <Squirm> woop
[08:57] <Kilos> aw i forgot
[08:58] <Squirm> Sorry Kilos
[08:58] <Kilos> np
[08:58] <Squirm> I'll find the machine :P
[08:58] <Squirm> my house is protected by lava :D
[08:58] <Kilos> there are 2 next to each other and one below
[08:58] <Kilos> lol
[08:58] <Padroni> i think we should all start playing warthunder.
[08:58] <Padroni> you know
[08:58] <mazal> Kilos: you guys minetesting again :)
[08:58] <Padroni> grab a tank and go blow some sh!t up
[08:58] <Kilos> ya
[08:58] <Squirm> lol Padroni
[08:58] <mazal> cool :)
[08:58] <Squirm> Padroni: is it free?
[08:59] <Padroni> Squirm:  Yes.  It is.
[08:59] <Padroni> www.warthunder.com
[08:59] <Padroni> it's in steam as well
[08:59] <Squirm> Then I'll look into it
[08:59] <mazal> Kilos: We are busy rebuilding our new world
[08:59] <Kilos> Padroni  measure data use 
[08:59] <Kilos> again
[08:59] <Padroni> not much i think
[09:00] <Padroni> but the innitial download is 10Gb
[09:00] <Kilos> minetest eats 100m an hour
[09:00] <Kilos> ouch
[09:00] <Padroni> per match data use I doubt will be much
[09:00] <Padroni> I have uncapped so I never thought to look at what it uses
[09:00] <nlsthzn> warthunder is fun... have flown a mission or two
[09:01] <Kilos> 10g is six months data for me man
[09:01] <Kilos> come up with a better proposal
[09:15] <Kilos> nlsthzn  you have probs login in to the ubuntu wiki
[09:15] <Kilos> i battled too with opera but chrome goes in quick
[09:18] <nlsthzn> in eventually
[09:18] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:06] <mazal> is warthunder an online only game ? IE , you have to be signed in to their servers to play ?
[10:09] <mazal> Padroni: ^^
[10:10] <Kilos> yes i think so mazal  
[10:10] <nlsthzn> yup
[10:11] <Padroni> yes, mazal
[10:11] <Padroni> this saddens me also
[10:11] <mazal> I'll pass then. Don't play games like that
[10:11] <Kilos> hehe you uncapped okes must smile man
[10:12]  * nlsthzn is smiling
[10:12] <nlsthzn> uncapped data but not uncapped time
[10:12] <nlsthzn> :'(
[10:12] <mazal> Internet to unrealiable
[10:12] <Kilos> aw
[13:31] <nuvolari> o/
[13:32] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  
[13:32] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos :D
[13:32] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed?
[13:32] <Kilos> ja dankie en jy?
[13:36] <Squirm> Heya nuvolari
[13:41] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom Kilos 
[13:41] <nuvolari> oh hi Squirm 
[13:41] <nuvolari> sup?
[13:41]  * nuvolari had a torturous Sunday
[13:41] <nuvolari> :P
[13:41] <Squirm> haha
[13:41] <Squirm> I think I got out of bed at about 11
[13:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:01] <Kilos> Maaz  tell ThatGraemeGuy  Hut near travel hub done
[16:01] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode
[16:02] <Kilos> Squirm   ?
[16:53] <Symmetria> man
[16:53] <Symmetria> I love these raspberry pi devices
[16:53] <Symmetria> portable linux pc in your hand 
[16:55] <magellanic> how long it took to get yours?
[16:55] <magellanic> but yeah, awesome
[16:55] <magellanic> :D
[16:55] <Symmetria> lol, I cheated, since I'm doing legit company dev work on the things
[16:56] <Symmetria> so I just used the company amex card and ordered 10 off amazon and had them next day shipped to someone in London who was flying out here hte next day
[16:56] <Symmetria> :P so ordered on friday and have 10 of them connected right now on my desk
[16:56] <Symmetria> heh if what Im doing works out, I'll then have marketting department go build some custom liquid branded cases ;p
[16:57] <Symmetria> kinda pissed that the cases I ordered dont fit if the goddamn sd card is in it :P 
[16:59] <magellanic> :p
[16:59] <magellanic> nice, at least you have 10
[17:06] <Symmetria> heh need a faster way to duplicate SD cards though :P
[17:06] <Symmetria> god DD takes a long time to write out 8gig ;p
[17:07] <magellanic> are you tweaking its block size or anything?
[17:08] <Symmetria> heh, writing out with 1meg blocks
[17:08] <Symmetria> I think I might try DD with 10meg blocks :P
[17:08] <Symmetria> see if its faster
[17:09] <magespawn> good evening
[17:10] <magellanic> evening magespawn 
[17:11] <magespawn> ]evening magellanic 
[17:11] <magespawn> is die oom and die slaap?
[17:11] <magespawn> s/and/an
[17:11] <magellanic> Symmetria: yep. check vmstat though, maybe io over sdcard is just slow?
[17:12] <magellanic> Kilos: slaap jy?
[17:12] <Symmetria> possible :) will see what happens with this write-out
[17:12] <magellanic> cool
[17:27] <magellanic> bbl
[17:28] <Kilos> nee man het gaan eet
[17:28] <Kilos> sorry magespawn  
[17:28] <Symmetria> heh how cool
[17:28] <Symmetria> my wifi works on my PI ;p
[17:28] <Symmetria> straight out of the box with debian
[17:29] <Symmetria> and its 802.11n
[17:29] <Symmetria> ;p
[17:29] <magespawn> cool beans Symmetria 
[17:30] <Symmetria> heh I turned it into a low speed router ;p
[18:04] <Squirm> Kilos: ?
[18:04] <Squirm> Sorry, just got home from work
[18:04] <Kilos> np
[18:05] <Kilos> now gotta try remember what i wanted to tell you
[18:06] <Squirm> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:20] <inetpro> goodmornings
[18:20] <Kilos> lol hi inetpro  
[18:21] <Kilos> hickory dickory dock
[18:21] <inetpro> The mouse ran up the clock
[18:22] <Kilos> hehehehe
[18:22] <inetpro> The clock struck one,
[18:22] <inetpro> The mouse ran down,
[18:22] <inetpro> Hickory, dickory, dock
[18:22] <inetpro> published in London in about 1744
[18:22] <Kilos> wow you even knw it
[18:23] <Kilos> ah google  the pest
[18:23] <inetpro> who doesn't
[18:23] <Kilos> i thought only peeps that can tell the time knew it
[18:24] <inetpro> it's still morning ain't it?
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <Kilos> what did you do today
[18:26] <inetpro> sleep
[18:27] <Kilos> wow all day
[18:27] <Kilos> you on holiday again?
[18:27] <inetpro> I was sleeping in here
[18:27] <Kilos> ohlurking as usual
[18:27] <inetpro> a virtual sleep
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <Kilos> do you want to do something useful?
[18:29] <Kilos> mail the list and ask all za members to please fill in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members or at least mail one of us the info
[18:30] <Kilos> most of them dont see me, just like you
[18:34] <inetpro> uh
[18:35] <Kilos> Maaz  define uh
[18:35] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about uh. Maybe you meant H, u, Ugh, Puh, Ah, CH, Eh, LH, Oh, Th, Um, Un-, Up, Ur, Us, Ut, h, uuh, uhf, bh, lh, nh, oh, ph, rh, th, uk, un, up, ur, us, ut, uv, u-, uha, uhc, uhl, ah, mh, ui, ua, uc, ul, ue or uw?
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz  uh is <reply> uh means I don't really want to do it but i will if i have to
[18:37] <Maaz> Kilos: I'll remember that
[18:39] <inetpro> uh?
[18:40] <Kilos> ai!
[18:41] <inetpro> . .... !
[18:42] <Kilos> im gonna hit you
[18:46] <magespawn> lol
[18:46] <Kilos> he can be so maddening at times hey magespawn  
[18:46] <Kilos> hehe
[18:47] <magespawn> no comment
[18:47] <Kilos> lol chicken
[18:47] <magespawn> i am going to plead the 5th on this one
[18:47] <Kilos> puk puk puk puk
[18:47]  * magespawn is busy studying for linux+, learning about | at the moment
[18:48] <Kilos> good
[18:48] <Kilos> ive used that before but forget why
[18:50] <magespawn> it is for passing the output of one command to the input of the next command
[18:50] <Kilos> pipe its called
[18:50] <Kilos> ?
[18:50] <magespawn> yup
[18:50] <Kilos> yay
[18:54] <magespawn> Kilos i am using the comptia liunx+ study guide, apart from being a study guide, it looks like it might be a fair reference manual too
[18:55] <Kilos> is it free?
[18:55] <Kilos> maybe if i last another 20 years ill understand some things
[18:56] <magespawn> not this one, i have bought the hard copy
[18:56] <Kilos> ah
[18:56] <magespawn> i thi8nk you understand more than you give yourself credit for
[18:56] <magespawn> think too
[18:57] <Kilos> nono man its my backup staff that knows it all
[18:58]  * inetpro agrees with magespawn
[18:58] <magespawn> they can be the best teachers sometimes
[18:59] <inetpro> welcome back magellanic_
[18:59] <Kilos> they are, but it all depends on the student
[18:59] <Kilos> at times i think they are sorry they ever started
[19:00] <magellanic_> thanks
[19:00] <Kilos> i now get answers like uh and  .... !
[19:00] <Kilos> instead of with pleasure
[19:00] <magespawn> that which we achieve too easily we value too lightly
[19:04] <magespawn> why would you want to do something like this "find ./ -name "*~" | xargs -d "\n" rm
[19:04] <magespawn> i understand that this example is to show the use of | and xargs 
[19:04] <Kilos> is the rm at the end remove?
[19:05] <magespawn> yes
[19:05] <Kilos> so it finds it pipes it to the arg place then removes it
[19:05] <magespawn> i do not understand the use of "find" first
[19:05] <magespawn> yes
[19:05] <Kilos> lol
[19:06] <magespawn> but could you not just use "rm *.~" 
[19:06] <Kilos> no man
[19:06] <Kilos> you arent removing it
[19:06] <Kilos> you find it , pipe it and remove the piped one
[19:07] <Kilos> so you dont leave a mess in the system
[19:07] <magespawn> exactly
[19:07] <Kilos> thats how i see that
[19:07] <Kilos> its for practise
[19:08] <Kilos> i wish the clever okes would but in
[19:08] <magespawn> the first part finds all the files ending in ~ the second part removes those files, so " rm *.~" in ./ will accomplish the same thing
[19:08] <magellanic_> hmm, I wouldn't run anything pasted in this chan, at all :D
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <magespawn> unless i am missing something
[19:09] <Kilos> magespawn  lets think
[19:09]  * Kilos stands on head
[19:09] <magespawn> indeed dodgy bunch in here for sure
[19:09] <Kilos> it finds all those files and pipes them
[19:10] <Kilos> then it removes the piped ones not the found ones
[19:10] <Kilos> then you crash pc
[19:10] <magespawn> the found ones are piped to the second command
[19:10] <Kilos> ya
[19:11] <magespawn> on the first command you would not have to be in the directory that you wanted to remove the files from
[19:11] <magespawn> confirmation anyone?
[19:11] <magellanic_> where'd you get the command from?
[19:11] <magellanic_> well the ./ tells find to work from where you currently are
[19:11] <magespawn> linux+ study guide
[19:12] <magellanic_> oh okay
[19:12] <magespawn> so you could put any path in there?
[19:12] <magespawn> like /home?
[19:12] <magellanic_> yeah
[19:12] <magespawn> ahh right that makes more sense then
[19:29] <magellanic_> magespawn: find will also look recursively by default, given dir and everything under it
[19:30] <magellanic_> another reason to do that, might be that ~ is special to the shell, it could be dangerous to use with rm directly, using find, you can first print out what it finds, and when happy, pipe to remove them
[19:32] <Kilos> ah magellanic_  you are actually quite clever hey
[19:32] <Kilos> just scared of work
[19:32] <Kilos> free work that is
[19:33] <magellanic_> why thank you oom
[19:34] <magellanic_> yes work means effort
[19:34] <magellanic_> :p
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <Symmetria> Linux monitor-ltk 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[19:34] <Symmetria> <3
[19:36] <magellanic_> the hostname does contain pi then? :/
[19:37] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:37] <magespawn> good night Kilos 
[19:38] <magespawn> magellanic_: will it allow you a break before it executes the piped command?
[19:39] <magellanic_> not in that form, but you can find the find without the pipe, to see what it would pass to xargs
[19:39] <magellanic_> run the find*
[19:39] <magespawn> ahh right
[19:50] <magespawn> time for my bedtime too
[19:50] <magespawn> good night all
[19:58] <magellanic_> cheers