[00:16] pleia2, is now tomorrow? :) [00:17] suppose so [00:17] want to chat about it? [00:17] sure [00:17] * knome opens the mail [00:18] so prior to going with unixstickers, we tried a few t-shirt vendors [00:18] they were expensive or not so good or both [00:18] they are talking about embroiding [00:18] which means probably a smallish logo [00:19] yeah, and maybe less competitive [00:19] some people will like the unixstickers ones, some people might want embroidered [00:19] 24 euros [00:19] that was for a polo [00:19] 22 euros for a t-shirt [00:20] but they say free worldwide shipping... [00:20] offering polos would be nice [00:20] the site shows it to me in USD [00:20] actually looks like they have kubuntu stuff [00:20] but oh well [00:20] Unit193, ochosi, I've released fixes for the pulseaudio plugin with gtk3.14. The plugin mostly works and does not crash but there are still some occasional glitches with popup/popdown and a possible memory leak. Let me know if you spot anything (or if you have patches) :-) [00:20] gn [00:20] looking at one of the kubuntu t-shirts, the embroidery isn't "awesome" [00:21] knome: so I'm inclined to pass on regular t-shirts, but offering polos through them would be nice if we can confirm quality [00:21] the sweater looks a bit better.. [00:21] the "sweater" looks cool too [00:21] heh [00:21] i was referring to the embroidery [00:21] ah :) [00:22] the icon part is a bit meh [00:22] if you look at the polo [00:22] I just think embroiding is a bit weird on a tshirt [00:22] i wonder how good our stuff would look [00:22] suppose there's only one way to find out [00:22] "Free shipping is a promotional offer. The normal price is 16 €." [00:23] what if we asked for a sample? [00:23] I think we should do that, with some flowery words about needing to confirm quality before we recommend it to our users (true) [00:23] yes [00:25] so, you want one more? [00:25] I can pay for my own this time [00:25] or in other words, do you wear sweaters or polos? [00:26] I do, and could use one of each [00:26] i think asking for a free sweater (45 euros) would be a bit much, but a free polo could go [00:26] i don't use polos, so... [00:26] yeah [00:27] maybe we can direct it at some other person too if you *really* don't want to have one shipped free to you :P [00:27] I just don't want to hog the goodies :) [00:27] plus it's probably cheaper for them to send it to someone in the eu [00:27] well, ask ochosi if he wants to evaluate a sample xubuntu polo [00:27] * pleia2 nods [00:27] they send from hungary, and austria is relatively close [00:28] yeah [00:28] so should we draft a reply email together, or want to assign it to a single person? [00:28] I can just do it [00:28] wfm [00:28] you can mention i can provide logos and CC me [00:30] will do [00:30] (as always :) [00:30] have we been ccing the contacts list too? [00:30] i've done that when i've replied [00:30] shimmer email? [00:30] yes [00:31] kk [00:31] to keep the full discussion archived [00:31] it would be awkward to have only incoming stuff there... [00:31] indeed [00:32] status update: no reply from the guy in the local uni, will repoke him next week [00:33] no worries, want to space out these interviews anyway :) [00:33] yep [00:33] any twitter replies from our shoutout? [00:34] and should we social media the sticker thingy again? [00:34] nope, and yes we should [00:34] also need to announce the winner [00:34] for last one [00:34] yep [00:34] do we want to use the name or the nick? [00:35] I'll ask him [00:35] oki :) [03:21] bluesabre: Other uploads to Debian exp: xfce4-panel, xfce4-session, xfce4-settings, xfce4-appfinder, xfce4, xfce4-power-manager (1.4.3-1), thunar, thunar-volman, xfdesktop4, xfwm4, light-locker (1.6.0-1), tumbler, [03:21] bluesabre: ....You're not even going to read this are you? :P [09:34] Unit193: I read it... [09:34] A lot of things weren't picked up by syncpackage yesterday [09:36] Unit193: want to package verve-plugin and notes-plugin without libxfcegui? [09:37] we'll drop the other unmaintained plugins and I'll rebuild the last the last ones, then everything should release from -proposed [09:37] ochosi: icons and greybird ready? [09:38] hey bluesabre [09:38] the icons are ready-ish [09:39] i haven't figured out an odd issue with them (but that's mostly about xfpm-gtk3, so no 15.04 concern) and i haven't had time to script the conversion of symbolic icons [09:39] Unit193: one the things I have stuck in proposed release, then I'll quickly sync the debian packages [09:39] *once [09:39] lemme look whether there was anything else push-worthy in my local branch [09:39] ok, no [09:39] np [09:40] greybird is ready, no changes to the last release apart from that one commit that switches the sidebar away from symbolic icons [09:40] probably won't get to push this morning [09:40] k [09:41] i'll push a new version for xubuntu-artwork today [09:42] then you'll only have to upload [09:43] awesome, thanks ochosi [09:43] np [13:23] Unit193, do you know if the thunar-shares-plugin can be packaged? bug 329873 [13:23] bug 329873 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Thunar Shares Plugin " [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329873 [13:24] probably outdated and not possible to dependency issues [14:36] krytarik, welcome aboard [14:37] \o/ [14:37] indeed, welcome! :) [14:37] :) [14:37] Thanks. :) [14:57] krytarik, do you a have a Trello account? [14:57] Nope, not yet. [14:58] do you feel strongly against having one [14:58] ? [14:58] just so you can be a part of https://trello.com/b/5CxYcqO8/xubuntu-documentation [14:59] Not particularly, no - just another service signed up with though. :P [15:00] you can link it with a google account [15:00] or tbe, login with a google account [15:00] exactly [15:00] Ah, lovely. [15:04] what was the outcome of checking if we turn security updates on by default and if/how we need to enable it? [15:08] slickymasterWork, re, the same: [15:08] "Automatic updates are enabled by default in Xubuntu. ..." [15:08] automatic updates or automatic security updates? [15:09] security updates knome [15:09] and the the USC checks them accordingly to the specified interval [15:10] checks, but does it install them? [15:11] I think they're downloaded in the background but the user is prompt for its installation [15:11] ok, so i think we should make them installed automatically too [15:11] and rephrase that paragraph in the docs [15:11] ochosi, bluesabre: ^ [15:12] yeah, I agree [15:37] slickymasterWork, updated string pushed [15:37] also changed unattended to automatic, because they aren't necessarily unattended [15:38] ok knome [15:38] waiting for LP to pick up the new string so i can translate it and be at 100% with finnish [15:39] :) [15:39] then next thing to touch is the slideshow [15:39] and/or the wallpaper [15:40] slideshow first knome, pretty please [15:45] oh shoo [15:46] missing guilabel [15:46] in the string i just poked [15:46] * knome facepalms [15:49] fixed and appended a about turning them off [15:51] tss tsss, silly knome [16:11] hmm, an outburst in #xubuntu :P [16:48] Cannot boot today's daily into liveUSB. 2 different iso's (64b), 2 different sticks, tried both dd and unetbootin on both. MD5 OK and checked disk integrety. Starts out, blue background shows, rotating circle segment starts, runs a while, then enter screen goes black and all activity stops. :( [16:48] drc: vm or hardware? [16:48] hardware [16:49] wake up elfy ... [16:49] drc: of course - hardly any point in saying USB otherwise [16:49] :) [16:49] You're too busy dreaming about that new job :) [16:50] I'll just sync and sort a stick out and try here [16:50] I got no problems in Vm elfy, drc [16:50] drc: funnily enough - just a reply from one I did apply for would be a bonus [16:50] I'm in the process of dl'ing 32bit, will try then when.... [16:50] that was 32 bit [16:51] ok, I won't [16:52] drc: so it got through the first boot menu - then hung? [16:53] yes [16:53] after a short while, not immediately [16:54] ok ty [16:55] think I'll continue with 32 bit, just to see... [16:55] * elfy grabs ubuntu image too - always good if that one fails - many more people get interested ... [16:56] if ubuntu was going to fail, one would think someone would already be screaming. [17:10] lets see then ... [17:14] mmm - so that's a bit on the fubar side again then [17:14] no point in checking ubuntu's image - rebuilding with latest being from Friday [17:15] did you tried on a Vm elfy? I've managed to succeed with it [17:15] well ... [17:16] the way I see it - if vm fails but hardware works - shrug :) [17:16] ok, booting 32 bit [17:16] don't you mean the other way around? [17:17] slickymasterWork: no :) [17:17] I shrug at vm fails, but not hardware ones [17:17] * slickymasterWork shrugs also [17:17] \o/ [17:17] shrugging party :p [17:18] VM is not failing though [17:18] makes a change ... [17:18] :p [17:18] that's why I brought it to your attention [17:18] * slickymasterWork wanders outside to have a smoke [17:19] slickymasterWork: :) [17:19] * elfy tries it in kvm [17:19] ss/sd...32 bit is the same no go. [17:20] translations done slickymasterWork [17:21] slickymasterWork: and it fails to start in kvm ... [17:21] queue the systemd haters....3...2...1....GO! [17:22] has anyone tried the update process? [17:24] i was going to reinstall [17:24] i'm on 14.04 at the moment [17:24] don't :) [17:24] why not? [17:25] sorry. was jojing about the problems booting the daily iso. [17:25] s/jojing/joking/ [17:26] is there actually a problem with systemd? [17:27] ali1234: unknown (to me) can't boot either the 32/64 bit LiveUSB [17:27] from today's daily [17:29] thanks GridCube [17:29] de nada [17:29] :) [17:29] drc I've run dist-upgrade without any issues [17:31] ali1234: I'd not try with the image currently [17:32] well - not tried Install, just tried getting to the live desktop so far [17:36] ok - brb [17:36] i was going to reinstall my main workstaion [17:36] but i guess i'll leave it a day or two [17:36] or i could try upgrading it [17:36] i'm on 14.04 though [17:38] well lubuntu works [17:38] ali1234: I would [17:56] slickymasterWork: not getting it to work in vbox here from Try [17:56] that's odd elfy, I made it [17:57] Install option works [17:57] ali1234: ^^ [17:57] I used the 32-bit image elfy [17:59] slickymasterWork: ok - thanks [17:59] np [18:00] slickymasterWork: not here ... [18:01] yuo're using 20150309 image, right? [18:06] yep [18:06] ?! [18:06] no idea of what it might be [18:07] well - synced images, but synced to today [18:07] I just download it [18:07] All my attempts were with freshly (today) dl'd iso's [18:08] slickymasterWork: shouldn't make any difference tbh [18:08] drc: thanks [18:08] but you did managed to succeed with the 32-bit image, didn't you drc ? [18:08] it shoulsn't elfy [18:08] no [18:08] * shouldn't [18:08] neither iso worked (here) [18:09] let me double check my image date [18:10] that's it, contrary to my believe my image is 20150308, not 20150309 [18:11] elfy, drc ^^^ [18:11] * drc tries real hard not to grin...and fails :) [18:11] :P [18:11] slickymasterWork: ok - I'd be willing to bet a flight to portugal it fails :p [18:12] * slickymasterWork wouldn't mind to lose that bet [18:12] * elfy in the meantime grabs studio image - I suspect that's going to bellyflop too [18:12] * drc wonders if elfy has a wetsuit and board? [18:12] grilled fish and good wine waits elfy [18:13] lol, the only sea he'd get would be from the balcony of the restaurant [18:13] ha ha [18:14] had a hankering for a roast all day long - I think the one I'm cooking is going to be too big [18:14] even for me ... [18:14] lol [18:14] gluttony [18:14] works every time ... [18:25] well ... [18:25] Just Xubuntu seemingly [18:26] that's what sandwiches are for [18:26] I assume you refer to a glut of gluttony there :p [18:27] * elfy wonders what we've done [18:29] ah...now I know what went wrong...elfy dribbled the au juice from the roast onto the iso image. [18:29] lol [18:29] what a waste [18:33] elfy: indeed. sandwiches are for putting leftovers in [18:45] great knome, thanks for the notes [18:45] on the translations that is [18:56] elfy: I just did a quick check on the current image manifests of us and a couple of other flavors - rest assured, more will swiftly follow. :P [19:03] elfy: Like, you could try Lubuntu and Mythbuntu right now. [19:04] krytarik: hey :) [19:04] Well, hey too. :) [19:04] so I've successfully booted in either hardware or vm - Lubuntu, Mate, Studio [19:05] not done Ubuntu - image from Friday only [19:05] not done Kubuntu [19:05] The latter two aren't updated yet. [19:06] And main Ubuntu neither. [19:06] Yep, that. [19:06] Kubuntu neither though. [19:06] mmm - didn't check the dates [19:06] * krytarik did [19:06] kubuntu is today [19:06] Yeah, but earlier. [19:07] mmm [19:07] Sure that Lubuntu doesn't fail the same as ours? [19:20] krytarik: not when I tried it [19:21] Might be hit or miss? :P [19:21] might have been 08 given the time in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/vivid/ [19:23] Yep, might have been. [19:24] possibly balloons ping to me makes more sense now [19:24] [17:52] elfy, yes the builds are failing [19:24] [17:53] ahh this is pitti's breakage ;-) [19:24] [17:53] systemd-sysv : Conflicts: upstart but 1.13.2-0ubuntu9 is to be installed [19:25] Heh. [19:25] and lubuntu boots [19:25] at least in vm [19:43] knome: did we figure out which european to send the polo to yet? ;) [19:57] i vaguely remember reading some backlog about that [19:57] pleia2: me me me? :) [19:58] ochosi: we were hoping you'd want one, shall I send you details? [19:58] please do [19:59] i presume it doesn't cost 50€? [19:59] free sample [19:59] oh sweet [19:59] you just have to confirm it's good quality to offer to our users [19:59] ok, just send me an email, i gotta run now [19:59] bbiab [19:59] cool [19:59] ttyl [20:03] brainvvash_: 0.2.1 would be doable (unreleased, git) since it works with thunarx-2, current release requires -1 and thunarvfs. [20:50] pleia2, can you tell me what would be a great path (parent post) for all temporary pages we will set up on xubuntu.org [20:50] since i'm pretty sure you don't want to actually delete them, i thought it'd be nice to have them under one page.. [20:50] evening knome [20:50] hello elfy [21:05] I noticed the systemd switchover just came down the update pipes, should i go ahead and let it do the switch or should i wait for a day or so? (on 15.04 x64) [21:08] works for me - been using systemd for long time [21:08] your question makes no sense; if you are running a development version, why would you wait to update? [21:08] well i mean i am just using whatever installed from the beginning [21:09] its on upstart, the update is asking to remove upstart and install systemd-sysv [21:09] if you want to wait for updates to make sure everything is stable, why are you using a development version? [21:09] knome because this devel system is stable most of the time, been running it for months [21:10] why am i being chided for asking a common sense question about a major system thats about to replaced entirely? [21:10] knome: Because sometimes it just plain makes sense with big changes like this... [21:10] yes^ [21:10] knome: Because, I've seen the topic of #ubuntu-devel say not to update a certain package before... [21:10] * knome shrugs [21:10] its one thing to have a video driver update or a kernel update its another to have the entire init system switch over. [21:10] it's a development version [21:10] it's prone to break [21:11] yes so thats why i try with due diligence to avoid breaking it. [21:11] nerdistmonk: I've been using systemd for a long, long time now, so it works, except if you use nfs shares. [21:11] I've not been a part of switchoverday though. [21:12] chromebooks appear to be a bit nasty currently [21:12] well its not that i expect systemd to be broken, its more like making sure all the needed packages have made it down the pipe. [21:12] All except for nfs shares. [21:12] i dont use NFS at the moment....(thats another question for another time :P ) [21:13] Thus, you should be a-ok as elfy said. :D [21:13] then I'd upgrade it [21:13] and if it doesn't boot - there's upstart in the advanced grub menu [21:13] << then set it up so it does ;) [21:15] meh if it breaks ill just throw rocks at the thing for a while then use a live usb to try and get it going again lol [21:17] /etc/default/grub.d/verbose.cfg has GRUB_ENABLE_SUBMENU=false GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=y GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT= for me. :P [21:18] grub.d? i believe my files are in /etc/default/grub unless this systemd update moves stuff? [21:19] letting it update now [21:19] if it does - it's not moved them here [21:19] oh goodie an nvidia update and systemd [21:19] russian roulette with 2 bullets [21:20] nerdistmonk: No, my own package ships that, /etc/default/grub is fine. :P [21:20] nerdistmonk: Hah, have fun with that. [21:20] < its like arch linux but without all the breaky-breaky-explody and elitism to match it. :P [21:21] then again if you can get arch linux to do something useful for 6 whole months without a failure i guess you deserve to be elite. [21:23] i normally never have any trouble out of it, but its still good to ask when a big huge switchover happens. [21:23] wayland is going to be white knuckle... [21:26] well moment of truth, either be back in 4 minutes or a couple of days :P [21:30] must not be the complete switch yet since upstart is still alive and well. [21:32] dist-upgrade [21:32] i did that [21:32] systemd is installed, upstart is gone, but upstart-bin is still alive [21:32] what's pid 1? [21:33] pid 1: /sbin/init splash [21:33] ps -p 1 -o comm= [21:34] systemd, but why is upstart still around then? i figured it would just go poof, bah who cares at list my system didn't croak [21:35] I think they need to keep upstart around atm [21:35] inxi -Ixxx [21:35] the only package claiming to need upstart is xfce4-indicator plugin or something [21:35] what does that command do? [21:35] upstart = /sbin/init being upstart. [21:35] Hrm, I see. That shouldn't happen. [21:36] Well, it does need -bin, but.. [21:36] the system would let me remove it right now if i wanted (upstart-bin), but i think im going to pass on that idea. [21:37] /sbin/init is systemd here [21:37] im on systemd [21:37] the command you had me run elfy says systemd [21:37] or rather link to ... [21:37] nerdistmonk: yea - I'm sure you're ok [21:38] so do i yoink the last part of upstart out myself or leave it be? [21:38] leave it be, it's not hurting anything :) [21:39] well im on systemd now then...nice and um....sturdy i guess, its an init system, not sure what the fuss was all about. [21:39] lol [21:44] Likely because you weren't involved with any of the changes in order for it to work, and it actually went well, and that you've not messed with the internals of it. [21:46] well i referencing the end of the world debian users saying systemd was the end of the world or something, idk, as far as i understood it, upstart was basically diet systemd thats likely why i dont notice no big changes either. (no amount of money would have gotten me to use systemd the first week it ever existed though) [21:49] in the end its a thingy-mabob that turns my services on and off, like the cactus in my bathroom we have little to say to each other each morning. Thanks for answering my questions guys, i appreciate it. [21:56] hey all [21:57] hey bluesabre [21:57] hey knome [21:58] evening all [22:00] bluesabre, as far as i'm concerned, the documentation package is now ready to upload for the doc string freeze [22:00] great [22:00] if you want another confirmation, poke slickymaster when he gets back [22:00] * slickymaster is always around [22:00] except when he isn't [22:00] but yeah bluesabre I'm ok with it also [22:01] good to hear [22:01] I'll be doing a bit of uploading tonight then :) [22:01] bluesabre, wallpaper is also coming soon ;) [22:02] knome: as in non-UIF soon? [22:02] we had a wallpaper sprint with ochosi today [22:02] yes, no exceptions needed [22:02] :o [22:02] tomorrow or wednesday [22:02] I'll believe it when I see it ;) [22:02] evening all [22:02] lol [22:03] bluesabre, seeing it in the PM now? ;) [22:03] nighty elfy [22:03] slickymaster, he said evening... not night [22:04] :) [22:04] * elfy still has noisy kids being noisy atm - no sleep yet ... [22:05] ochosi: was there ever a resolution to rolled up windows and intellihide? [22:06] elfy: that should be fixed for a while already [22:06] oh [22:06] you should be able to test it in vivid [22:06] ummm [22:06] I have been off and on [22:06] still the same behaviour here [22:06] a-ha [22:06] elfy is like a rolling window [22:07]