=== Orioa is now known as OrioaZzZ === IdleOne- is now known as IdleOne [04:23] wiped out the the Whole kernal and lost all my stuff trying to make room oin boot holstein [04:23] so i reinstalled [04:51] jimmyd: ? [04:52] jimmyd: i, and the guides i linked suggested *not* getting rid of all the kernels [04:52] yes man what a nightmare [04:52] jimmyd: also, you can "Fix" it with chroot [04:52] jimmyd: i say, *dont* do seperate partitions.. [04:53] well i thin its all gone now isnt it [04:54] jimmyd: i dont know what you have, but, when installing, you should see that the installer wants to put everything in one partition.. just do that [04:56] ok i installed Zubuntu the latest one through ubootin from my mac and updated it i think it erased the previous one unfortunatly [04:57] because it was there but wouldnt boot for some reason and so i booted from the usb and just reinstalled and im getting this crazy error message then it boots up anyway [04:58] jimmyd: cool. just let a volunteer know if you have a question [04:58] otherwise, i say, just go with the defaults.. [04:59] "xubuntu" for searching, etc.. [05:00] ok well thats all fine and good but im starting over again lost my spred sheet full of records luckily i do it on my other machine and on paper [05:00] jimmyd: you need to have backups, regardless of operating system, since *all* hard drives will fail.. and it wont the "fault" of any OS [05:02] jimmyd: in the future, linux *is* the kernel. you can remove it and have a booting system.. [05:02] yes yes i have it on the paper tablet for that reason ive done this before and am working on improving my backup habits thank you [05:03] what do you mean by that Holstein [05:04] jimmyd: just what i said.. if you dont have a kernel, "linux" wont work.. you shouldnt remove "linux" from your system [05:04] thing is i like to try things and don't completly know what im doing [05:04] jimmyd: you really dont need to have a seperate /boot [05:04] ok [05:06] so would you be able to tell where i made my mistake and lost my "linux Kernel if i could post somthing i have here [05:06] * ObrienDave tip toes through the room and silently exits [05:07] jimmyd: you removed it [05:08] jimmyd: and, if you are reinstalling, or already did, then, its not big deal.. you cant "Fix" it now [05:08] pretty much accept what i have now is booting strangely [05:08] jimmyd: again, if you have a question, im sure a volunteer can assist [05:08] "my computer is booting strangely" is a statement [05:09] ok my question can i get any of the files back [05:10] jimmyd: what files? the ones that were on your hard drive? that you just formatted and reinstalled over? [05:10] sure so i will try to get the propper info for the exact error message if i can reproduce it [05:10] *if* you ran recovery on it, then, you *might* get back what is in the empty space.. but, you could have lifted them easily off there from a live CD [05:11] ok [05:11] you are just thinking out of order a bit [05:11] you should recover the data *first*, *if* you dont have backups.. then, move to making the machine boot.. [05:11] sure illtryto get straightened out [05:12] i got it to boot [05:12] im just trying to figure out how i got rid of the wrong kernels [05:13] jimmyd: you stated you got rid of *all* of them.. thats how. there is no "wrong" kernels.. they wont be labeled as such, or able to be found that way.. there are just newer and older ones, and the ones you dont have room for [05:14] Is there a comand line prompt i can use to find out [05:14] jimmyd: there *would* have been. let me get you the link i gave you before.. [05:14] actualy i didnt get rid of all of them [05:14] jimmyd: http://askubuntu.com/questions/89710/how-do-i-free-up-more-space-in-boot [05:15] 00:23 < jimmyd> wiped out the the Whole kernal and lost all my stuff trying to make room oin boot holstein [05:15] ^ thats all im working from.. what you stated.. im not sure what you removed, or why/how [05:15] i follow the comand on the term emulator and removed all but thelast two i thought [05:16] you cant just copy paste them in [05:16] you have to look and see what you have. thats why i just gave the information, and stated that i prefered using synaptic [05:16] when i did this for a friend in the LUG, i ran "sudo update-grub" to see if all was well with his system, and get a list of the kernels.. [05:16] so since my memory isnt that good or my typing either what do i do [05:17] i then just used synaptic to simply search for the ones i *specifically* wanted to remove.. one at a time [05:17] jimmyd: you said you have reinstalled. so, you use the new system you wrote overtop the old one you broken [05:17] broke* [05:18] i see i tried to take all but the last two off with the comand line then it was working until i tried to reboot and it didnt so i freaked out and reinstalled [05:19] yes that what i think i did [05:19] thats [05:20] jimmyd: the most *recent* 2.. or whatever, like i said, you decide. its not important how many, just that, *if* you want to free up more space in /boot, thats one way [05:20] ok isee [05:20] im old but still learning [05:21] jimmyd: could have been a simple grub issue.. i'll run "uname -a" and "sudo update-grub" and see that everything looks "good" [05:25] 3.16.0-31-generic #41~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 11 19:30:43 UTC 2015 i686 i686 [05:26] that was the result of uname -a [05:27] do you want the result of update grub [05:27] jimmyd: for what, friend? [05:28] jimmyd: if you have wiped and reinstalled, then, just enjoy your new installation [05:28] jimmyd: you need not troubleshoot this anymore, and cant [05:28] ok [05:29] the thing is its still using the old name [05:30] jimmyd: "its" a machine.. so, it'll just be called what you call it [05:30] but i get you [05:41] now when i boot in it says error write not supported press any key to continue can you tell me how to get it to quit telling me that everytime it boots [05:42] holstein this is jimmyd [05:42] external drive? ntfs? [05:42] or, something in the bios.. i need more informaiton.. the *exact* message [05:42] ok ill go get it be right back i have to reboot [05:51] Ok the exact message is error: diskfilter writes are not supported. press any key to continue..._ [08:03] Hi there. Why is lightdm.conf missing from Xubuntu 14.04? [08:04] Is there any way I can get it back? Apparently, remastersys needs the file. [08:14] anyone? [08:19] allstarsnorks2: lightdm changed a bit - check in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d at least [08:20] does making an empty lightdm.conf file work? [08:20] no idea never used remastersys [08:26] Alright [08:27] Now, after install GTK 3.12, my icons aren't used in some parts of the Greybird theme. Why's that? [10:18] Hello [10:18] Do anyone here online? [10:44] whelp. I expect that you guys will be hearing plenty come morning when people start reporting in about the systemd switchover... [10:44] But it completely broke my ability to use a mouse and keyboard with 15.04 on my chromebook. [10:45] !vivid | rat [10:45] rat: Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) will be the 22nd release of Ubuntu due for release in April 2015. Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1. For more info see the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1425 [10:45] /join #ubuntu+1 rat [10:46] Done. Will see what they have to say. Meanwhile grub menu enabled so I can switch back to upstart for booting. [10:47] why do you say 'tomorrow' [10:47] april is the release of vivid [10:48] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/03/06/1448247/ubuntu-to-officially-switch-to-systemd-next-monday [10:48] The switch to systemd is what broke my xUbuntu install. [10:49] please file a bug report and let the ubuntu devs know about this issue [10:50] Yeah. Already on it. I just wanted to let you guys have a heads up that it's already making a mess of some previously reliable installs. [12:24] Halli [12:24] Hallo [12:27] hello [12:27] Do you speak russian? [12:27] !ru | kashel [12:27] kashel: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [12:28] Ok [12:28] I know then chanel [13:10] Good morning! [13:16] Hey guys... just moved from Unity to xfce. How do I "upgrade" XScreensaver? [13:16] It's telling me it is out of date... what do you usually do? [13:17] knob, xscreensaver can conflict with dmlogin manager. therefore, recommendation from xfce is to disable it. [13:17] knob, there is no way to easily do that; however, xubuntu doesn't use xscreensaver by default, so you don't even need it for the "xubuntu experience" [13:19] ahh... [13:19] Ok... so, what do you suggest? I just found a askubuntu link, stating to remove xscreensaver [13:19] and tehn intall gnome-screensaver (this is a suggestion) [13:19] What do you think? [13:19] It's just that I think I have a mini-mess running right now with these screens and lock screens [13:20] knob, if you explicitly need a screensaver... [13:27] knob, turn of xscreensaver. [13:28] knob, and the suggestion to use the gnome screensaver? stupid ... [13:31] I trully don't need a screensaver... just the "blank screen" and "lock when awake" is good. [13:31] knob, then you can simply remove xscreensaver, it is not needed [13:31] What do you think? Sorry guys... I am just lost on this. Should I uninstall xscreensaver, and install something else? Or can I configure that blankscreen and lock somehow else? [13:31] knome, ok... removing that guy then. [13:32] knob, make sure you have light-locker installed [13:32] it should pull light-locker-settings with it so you can edit the locker configuration [13:35] Ok... running this through you guys for input: I removed xscreensaver. [13:36] I then opened Light Locker Settings... it told me that my screensaver settings are managed by Xfce Power Manager [13:36] Should I leave it that way, and then have Light Locker lock the screen ? Or... somehow else? [13:36] that is correct [13:37] Ok... I *think* we have it. [13:37] :) [13:38] So I have Light Locker: Automatically lock the session: When the screensaver is activated [13:38] And over in Xfce Power Manager, I have "blank screen" after 5 minutes [13:38] I think I am missing somethign [13:38] what would it be? [13:39] screensaver I reckon... I don't think she sees the "blank screen" the same as screensaver active?? [13:39] it is [13:39] Ahhh... ok! Then.... testing it is now. [13:39] Thank you! [13:40] I installed Ubuntu about 7-8 months ago... all super good. Installed in my workstation, and on my laptop. Then, last week, I installed Xubuntu in a spare laptop I had. Liked it so much, that in 3-4 days installed Xubuntu in main laptop, and the workstation [13:40] I like it a LOT more than Unity [13:40] In Unity I had installed CairoDock, and... tint2 (for the "taskbar") [13:41] thanks for the nice feedback and glad to hear you like it :) [13:41] And something that worked out of the box, is that in my workstation's dual monitors, then "edge" between monitors, was always Sticky. I tried to set its width to 0... yet the cursor always got a little bit "stuck" between screens [13:42] I need your help with plymouth [13:42] knome, if you are one of the people that work with Xubuntu, thank YOU guys!! I love computers... yet, don't know how to program. So, thanks for all the work you guys do! [13:42] knob, i am, and others who do are in this channel too :) [13:43] Super super! Well, thanks everyone. Xubuntu rocks! Solid! [13:43] =) [13:43] enjoy! [13:51] hey, I've got a question about the mainline kernels [13:52] they're designated with vivid or utopic... is that because they've been tested with that release? [13:52] yes [13:52] could I use a 3.19-vivid kernel with utopic? [13:54] you could, but that would not be supported [13:54] are mainline kernels supported anyway? [13:54] arent' they just supposed to be for testing and whatnot? [13:54] if mainline is something else than "default", then you'll need to ask from the people who maintain those kernels [13:55] gotcha, alright. Well thank you for your work on xubuntu and the help. :) [13:55] you're welcome [13:56] I need your help with plymouth [13:58] kashel, why don't you ask the real question to find out if somebody can help with it? [13:59] after install driver video card plymouth doesn`t work with start system [14:00] only text [14:00] kashel, plymouth and proprietary nvidia drivers do not work well together [14:00] splash not starting [14:00] there are some workaround that i've heard works (please google them) [14:00] there's nothing wrong with you not seeing the plymouth splash though, it's just a visual issue [14:01] then why there is a version x64 fix working [14:01] what "version x64 fix" ? [14:02] knome> i386 fix not working & [14:02] fix plymouth [14:02] i have no idea why it's not working, we are not building the proprietary nvidia drivers [14:03] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jIegOR6A0M [14:04] kashel, ask the video author why the i386 fix doesn't work [14:04] on xubuntu 14.04.1 x 64 this fix work [14:04] Hello, I have a problem, is this the place to ask? [14:04] author notknows [14:04] Ananaskirsche, yes [14:05] kashel, then i guess you need to find another tutorial for it that works [14:05] I need ndiswrapper to install on my xubuntu installation, but i dont know how to install [14:05] !ndis | Ananaskirsche [14:05] Ananaskirsche: Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [14:05] I already downloaded the .deb files from the ubuntu repo, but they didnt worked [14:06] just type !ndis? [14:06] Ananaskirsche, no, please follow the link that ubottu output [14:06] can u give me the link? dont know what it means [14:06] Ananaskirsche, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [14:07] I already looked my wifi chipset up there, but its not supported [14:07] Ananaskirsche, then it's possible that your wifi card will not work with ubuntu [14:08] i already installed it offline under ubuntu and manjaro and it worked [14:08] ok, then you can follow the same tutorial you used for ubuntu for xubuntu [14:08] there has to be a way because ubuntu + xfce = xubuntu [14:08] but that doesnt work [14:09] why doesn't it work? what's the error message you are getting on xubuntu you didn't get on ubuntu? [14:09] my chipset is the Broadcom BCM43526 [14:10] when i install it with the deb files it works as long as i type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" -> no version could be found of ndiswrapper [14:10] so how did you install ndiswrapper on ubuntu, and how did you install it on xubuntu? [14:10] I installed it on ubuntu with the make command [14:10] !info ndiswrapper [14:10] Package ndiswrapper does not exist in utopic [14:11] I used Trusty Tahir [14:11] and in xubuntu? [14:11] The version 14.04.02 [14:11] !info ndiswrapper trusty [14:11] I installed it with make and so on on ubuntu [14:11] it worked [14:11] Package ndiswrapper does not exist in trusty [14:11] Ananaskirsche, ...and how did you install it on xubuntu? [14:12] you wouldn't modprobe ndiswrapper [14:12] tried it with the .deb files and the make command [14:12] Ananaskirsche, without knowing the exact steps you did on ubuntu, i suspect this is where you're going off rails and why it isn't working [14:13] if you wait a minute i will give you the tutorial that worked for me under ubuntu [14:13] http://askubuntu.com/questions/460277/how-to-get-netgear-a6200-to-work-on-14-04 [14:14] Ananaskirsche, i don't need it; you will need to follow the same tutorial on xubuntu [14:14] i did, but it doesn't work [14:14] normally you just do "apt-get install ndiswrapper" [14:15] but because Im not online I downloaded the tar.gz file [14:15] unzipped it and did following commands [14:15] "make" [14:15] "make instaöö" [14:15] *"make install" [14:15] Ananaskirsche, there is not an ndiswrapper to apt-get [14:15] ? [14:16] i know what u mean [14:16] normally you just do "apt-get install ndiswrapper" [14:16] no such package [14:16] sry it was ndisgtk [14:16] or ndiswrapper-common [14:17] what is the make and etc for [14:17] dont know, in the installation instruction was written do "make" [14:18] you need to know that [14:18] Ananaskirsche, do you know what you are doig or blindly following a tutorial? [14:18] *doing [14:18] no, but i oftenly heared that you install tar.gz files with make [14:18] Ananaskirsche, you are sailing on dangerous waters. [14:18] I know [14:19] thats not answering any of our questions either [14:19] I'm new to linux and i thought xubuntu is the same as ubuntu so i could use it too [14:20] it is [14:20] what you are saying wont work there either [14:20] but why it doesnt work? [14:20] the installation doesnt work [14:20] of what exactly [14:20] Ananaskirsche, did you (1) verify your .iso and (2) verify your boot USB/DVD? [14:20] I've 2 ways to install it offline: with the deb-files or with the tar.gz package [14:21] Ananaskirsche, did you (1) verify your .iso and (2) verify your boot USB/DVD? [14:21] yes I did. I used sha1 for downloading and for burning i used the oprion to test the disk [14:22] @bazhang both doesnt work [14:22] cfhowlett, i'm fairly certain that's unrelated [14:22] cfhowlett, ndiswrapper brings enough problems on its own... [14:23] Ananaskirsche, i thought you just said it worked on ubuntu [14:23] yes [14:23] knome, true ... [14:23] Ananaskirsche, what exact tar are you talking about, give us a link [14:23] wait a sec [14:23] Ananaskirsche, you must have done something differently then, because there is no reason why it wouldn't work on xubuntu too. [14:24] http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper/files/latest/download [14:24] Ananaskirsche, and where are the windows drivers to use with that [14:24] www.mediafire.com/?od9wpw6ccrnyhaa [14:25] Ananaskirsche, absolutely NOT an approved source for official ubuntu downloads! [14:25] it are just the windows drivers extracted out of the install file for windows. I used them already twice and they worked for me [14:25] cfhowlett, well again, ubuntu doesn't provide official windows driver downloads ;) [14:26] if i wanted to extract the drivers by my own i could, but the drivers are not the problem [14:26] *want [14:32] aren't there any ideas? [14:32] for what [14:33] for my problem [14:33] Ananaskirsche, see, this is where DETAILS matter. restate the issue [14:33] you have not made clear at all what exact commands you have used, the exact errors you received [14:33] you just say DONT WORK [14:34] pastebin the exact commands used [14:34] !paste | Ananaskirsche [14:34] Ananaskirsche: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [14:34] Ananaskirsche, also paste the exact error messages you have received [14:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10568602/ [14:37] why do you want to install ndiswrapper manually? [14:37] how should I install it? [14:38] either via apt-get, synaptic, software-center or manually via .deb file if no network is available [14:38] but NOT via "make install" :( [14:39] good evening guys ;) [14:39] I would install with apt-get but it requires a network connection, wouldnt it? [14:39] Ananaskirsche: that is why i mentioned .deb files [14:39] you have one now [14:39] which one? [14:40] ndisgtk, utils or common [14:40] a net connection [14:40] or all? [14:40] !find ndis-gtk [14:40] Im using my windows machine [14:40] ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 ndiswrapper-common ndisgtk dkms ndiswrapper-dkms [14:40] Package/file ndis-gtk does not exist in utopic [14:40] try version 12.10 [14:41] Ananaskirsche: you are on 12.10? [14:42] koegs, for the sake of clarity, please run this command: cat /etc/issue | pastebinit [14:42] he said he was on trusty [14:43] sry for let u wait... Im on version 14.04.02 but you can find the packages in the 12.10 repo [14:43] bazhang, confused about the 12.10 then .. [14:43] I should say I'M confused ... :) [14:43] heh [14:43] :) [14:43] Ananaskirsche, using packages for a two year old release isn't the best thing you can do and i wouldn't be surprised if that didn't work [14:44] sry just found http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/utopic/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 [14:44] !info ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 [14:44] ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 (source: ndiswrapper): Userspace utilities for the ndiswrapper Linux kernel module. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.59-2 (utopic), package size 17 kB, installed size 106 kB [14:44] if you are on trusty, you should use packages for trusty... [14:45] do i have to install all it dependencies manuelly? [14:47] Ananaskirsche, you have a net connection currently; why not use that wire to connect to the ubuntu machine, then do it that way [14:49] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#Installing_Packages_without_internet_access [14:49] wired connection is no option, i would need a 30m cable [14:49] im using my windows machine at the moment [14:50] @koegs is this for xubuntu ok too? [14:50] Ananaskirsche: yes [14:50] and is synaptics preinstalles? [14:50] *preinstalled [14:51] no [14:51] and how i install it offline? [14:51] you can use the software center [14:52] did you read the actual link above [14:52] If found a possible way: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1901446 [14:53] @koegs the software-center is the biggest crap ive ever seen for me. I've used it a few times and it never worked for me [14:53] also when it was preinstalled [14:53] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#Installing_Packages_without_internet_access [14:54] Ananaskirsche, ^^^ [14:54] Ananaskirsche: Without reading that link closely and for detail, I'd be wary of using a 4 year old post, it work and it may not. [14:54] Ananaskirsche, did you read that or NOT [14:54] it basically says: use the files from CD/iso [14:55] i read that but didnt understood it [14:55] but it says: "click System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager" and someone said that synaptics isnt preinstalled, which means i have to install it [14:56] you can also use "sudo apt-cdrom add" if you dont like software center [14:57] it is just one of the many tool to add the cdrom to the package sources -.- [14:57] and then= [14:57] ? [14:57] then just use at-get [14:57] *apt-get [14:57] apt-get install ndiswrapper-common? [14:58] sudo apt-get install ndisgtk [14:58] ok, will try this and come again [14:58] thanks [14:59] !cookie | koegs good work [14:59] koegs good work: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [15:03] !helpersnack [15:03] Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [15:03] heh === OrioaZzZ is now known as Orioa [15:29] Hello, Im back [15:29] It doesnt worked [15:30] @bazhang can you give me the commands again please? [15:30] details of the exact errors [15:30] pastebin them [15:30] couldnt found package [15:30] also the exact commands used [15:31] it could found the package [15:31] "dont work" is not a detail [15:31] could not found package [15:31] apt-cdrom was successful [15:32] it added the cd [15:32] so apt-get update [15:34] when i do this it says ing cdrom://Xubuntu 14-04-02 LTS _Trusty Tahr_ - Release amd64 (20150218) trusty/main [15:34] which means it ignores the cd? [15:34] its says "ing" <------ [15:34] what is "ing" [15:34] sry ign [15:34] not ing [15:35] apt-cache search ndiswrapper [15:35] gives nothing to output === Orioa is now known as OrioaZzZ [15:37] no idea? [15:37] you said adding the cd was successful [15:39] the command i used was "sudo apt-cdrom -m --no-auto-detect -d /media/ananaskirsche/Xubuntu\ 14.04.02\ LTS\ amd64/ add" [15:41] anyone no idea? [15:42] Ananaskirsche, i'm sure people won't suddenly have new ideas even if you asked every 2 minutes [15:42] Ananaskirsche, is the net connection not yours? [15:43] Ananaskirsche, whats stopping you from moving your ubuntu computer MUCH closer to the router [15:43] it is but my router is upstairs i would need a 30m cable [15:43] and its in the room my dad is working [15:44] so go in there when he's not [15:44] thats once a month [15:44] cant wait so long [15:44] cat5e cables are quite common, and 30m is nothing [15:45] Thats not possible [15:45] Ananaskirsche, you are very very light on details, and just keep repeating "dont work" [15:45] i dont want to buy something [15:45] say what u need bazhang [15:45] so it is possible [15:46] you just want to do it the very hardest way [15:46] say how i should do it bauhang [15:46] *bazhang [15:46] Ananaskirsche> Thats not possible i dont want to buy something [15:47] i really saying that the only solution is to buy a cable? [15:47] connecting by wire, and this would done in an instant [15:47] ITS NOT POSSIBLE [15:47] very well [15:48] It worked under Ubuntu and it worked under Manjaro, why its not possible when xubuntu is the same?! [15:48]