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VolUTFanScottK: Check reply to 1427482 when you get a min00:56
VolUTFanScottK: Just getting back with you about your question in the Bug00:57
* ahoneybun just got the remove upstart update01:09
VolUTFanvalorie: what are we having for dinner :)01:20
prthRiddell, could you please provide me feedback on the patches I sent for bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1429461 &  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1350855 if you get time.01:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1429461 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "manual parition new/change dialog should pre-select filetype" [Undecided,Confirmed]01:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1350855 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Vivid) "Manual Partitioner Does not Translate when Selecting a new Language" [Undecided,Confirmed]01:58
prthRiddell, btw that tutorial you suggested helped me a lot to setup my hacking environment01:58
ahoneybunprth: I have no idea if the patches work but thanks either way02:23
ahoneybun:)02:23
prthahoneybun, welcome :)02:23
ahoneybunprth: have any ideas about this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 ?02:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1428877 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "partman crashes when trying to make a EFI partition" [Undecided,New]02:24
prthahoneybun, it was a great experience hacking on an installer02:24
prthahoneybun, sure, i'll look into it. thanks02:25
ahoneybunI got though it using fdisk to format the partition into EFI02:28
ahoneybunthanks prth02:28
prthahoneybun,yeah i read your last comment. i suspect it's caused because it fails to detect the efi partition as the partition dict doesn't contain the key `module`02:31
prthahoneybun, it was the reason for bug  142946102:32
ubottubug 1429461 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "manual parition new/change dialog should pre-select filetype" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142946102:32
ahoneybunoh cool02:37
ahoneybunprth: can you open the embedded terminal in dolphin?02:37
ahoneybunI so want to go to akademy02:41
ahoneybunvalorie: I applied for funds to go to akademy02:55
soeegood morning07:17
lordievaderGood morning.08:59
Riddellhi11:49
Riddellmy head is quite broken today, I'm taking it easy11:49
soeehiho, did you hit something with your head ? :)11:52
Riddellsomething hit me, some years ago, it just randomly goes wonky11:53
soee:(11:53
KDDAdefine wonky11:56
Riddellcraving sugar, out of breath, feels like my metabolism isn't working11:58
Riddellbut it's random every time, could be painful, could be physically fine but unable to think.  fortunately it's pretty rare, today's the first day this year I've had to spend the morning on a sofa11:59
KDDAget a big bowl of porridge down ya!11:59
Riddellmm that would hit the spot11:59
kfunkRiddell: get well soon, dude!12:06
Riddellach it happens, I'm probably fine by tomorrow12:07
soeelets do something simple, create some slogan for vivid :-)12:08
sitterkubotu: is your trello thread still working?12:09
Riddellsitter: it was working last night12:11
Riddell19:33 -kubotu:#kubuntu-devel- [15.04] New card 'Update kubuntu-docs package' created 12:11
sitteryou know, I think the thread actually gets stuck on trello api not responding and the trello gem not having a timeout or something12:12
* sitter moves kubotu to newer gemset12:22
Riddellprth: sorry not had a chance to look at your patches and I guess I don't have the energy today :(12:33
Riddellmy audio has broken, is this due to hte systemd change or because my laptop is falling apart?12:36
KDDARiddell: since when?12:37
KDDAI upgraded last night and rebooted this morning, and audio seems to be ok with me12:38
Riddellfor a couple of days12:39
RiddellI need to check with an old kubuntu version, it's probably my latptop12:39
yofelaudio works here too. The last time I had audio issues was when I tried systemd and used a sddm that didn't support it (back when it had the systemd integration disabled)12:40
sitterkubotu:今日は12:40
Riddellhmm12:40
sitterdoesn't speak japanese apparently12:40
sitterkubotu: ping12:41
kubotupong12:41
sitternow if I had started you in a screen...12:41
sitterhow does one know if one is using systemd?12:42
BluesKajHowdy all12:43
yofelsitter: if systemctl status errors out, you're not12:43
BluesKajsitter, " ps  -p 1 "12:44
sittercheers12:44
sittertotally systemding12:44
shadeslayerI'm totally initing12:45
yofel^^12:45
BluesKajsystemd here too, but I don't notice any boot time difference12:45
BluesKajfrom grub to desktop12:46
sitterwhy would there be a noticble difference?12:46
BluesKajheard stories systemd is faster12:46
BluesKajdunno why tho12:46
shadeslayerI'm totally going to build all of Qt5 on arm this week12:46
Riddellsitter: have you tested kubuntu ci with systemd? d__ed had problems with the upgrade12:47
sitternope I am running pristine vivid12:47
lordievaderBluesKaj: Compared to sysv init perhaps.12:47
sitterRiddell: if there's a problem that would likely be upstream though12:47
sitterseeing as ci sddm is integrating master12:47
mparilloBluesKaj: I agree...if systemd is faster, it is only because you have accurate timings. It was explained to me yesterday that upstart already supported parallel boot processing.12:48
sitterrandom speed stories only show how much made up nonesense  is going around about systemd, no wonder people are all polarized about it ^^12:50
lordievaderHehe. Yeah, lots of people bitch about it without actually trying the stuff.12:51
Riddellahoneybun: how did you install kubuntu?12:52
BluesKajmparillo, this old pc still takes over a minute to boot to the desktop, but that includes typing the password 12:55
shadeslayersitter: well, one might see a noticable difference if you had services that were started with init but weren't actually needed till you logged in 12:59
shadeslayerwhereas with systemd, those services are fake started12:59
shadeslayerand have socket activation and what not13:00
yofelI notice that my tty's start slower than sddm ^^13:01
sittershadeslayer: even with upstart they only would cause IO blocking 13:01
mparillositter: As I said, the claimed end-user benefit was the speed increase, and I see no obvious advantage over upstart (IIRC, it was ). As far as the comments that systemd is not the 'unix way', or that for those managing hundreds of servers with hand-coded init scripts, that is outside of anything I am competent to opine on.13:02
BluesKajCan anyone explain Shuttleworth's decision to go with systemd, since there appears to be little benefit and whole lot of controversy ?13:32
KDDAnoone can explain that!13:35
KDDAwhy his decision to go with Unity?13:35
BluesKajyeah, that too13:35
yofelBluesKaj: mostly to not carry a huge diff to debian, which switched to systemd by default13:36
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BluesKajah yeah , it's all debian's fault...wonder what their reasoning is 13:36
BluesKajyofel,^13:36
yofelgo read up on the several month long CTTE war that went on over the systemd debate. In the end it was a very close call between sytstemd and upstart13:37
* BluesKaj googles13:37
sitterthere's also a push by various upstreams to adopt systemd as a hard or at least very much recommended dependency13:41
sgclarkmorning13:47
sgclarkso sitter what happened?13:47
sittersgclark: see mails13:48
sgclarkI did and not clear, perhaps I need more than a sip of coffee13:49
sgclarkthe script did fail on those few, I was still working on it, got busy with my kde hat..13:51
sittersgclark: for all the stuff I listed as rewritten you'll want to run git pull --rebase in the kubuntu_vivid_archive branch and then do a new upload13:52
sgclarkso I have to do this rebase on all these and reupload?13:52
sgclarkoi vei okies13:52
sitteralternatively you could do git fetch origin && git reset --hard origin/kubuntu_vivid_archive 13:52
sitterstrictly speaking that is the more correct approach13:53
BluesKajI see we still have rc.d remanants hanging about, receiving this notice after the upgrade this morning "update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults"14:14
BluesKajerr remnants that is14:15
Riddellbug 143042616:30
ubottubug 1430426 in kwallet-kf5 (Ubuntu) "don't run kwallet from live image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/143042616:30
RiddellSho_: any advice on best thing to do with kwallet? is there a way to make it not need a password and use PAM?16:30
Sho_Riddell: From an exchange I had with afiestas the best way to go is make kwallet5 take on the job of both 4/5 and fix pam support in it16:31
BluesKajRiddell, I leave the password fields blank , but disabling the wallet is my first choice16:31
Sho_Riddell: He says it's not a lot of work16:31
Sho_I asked for an ETA and never got a reply after16:32
Riddellmm, figures16:34
Riddellbug 1430428 is nasty16:35
ubottubug 1430428 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "kubuntu: fix live cd boot sequence" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/143042816:35
Riddelllive cd booting into ubquity-dm now which doesn't transition to a live desktop16:36
Riddellwell after a reinstall audio is now all working17:07
Riddellvery strange17:07
Riddellweirdest thing, when installing some software (like libudev-dev) it likes to switch vt to show the kubuntu plymouth boot, I have to press F1 to get back to X17:17
BluesKajRiddell, yes , but that was on the daily image, right ? I didn't see that on the beta 17:51
BluesKajolder daily image that is17:52
RiddellBluesKaj: what is?17:55
BluesKajRiddell, the switch to the VT to relogin to ubiquity18:33
ahoneybunRiddell: still here?18:37
Riddellahoneybun: not really18:41
ahoneybunRiddell: still need to know how I got kubuntu to install?18:44
Riddellahoneybun: hmm, I don't remember why I asked now18:54
RiddellBluesKaj: yes but daily is newer so that's a problem18:55
BluesKajRiddell, ok , so that relogin bug has returned then 18:55
BluesKajRiddell, it also appears in my installed OS, the relogin bug totally ignores my power settings which I normally just disable if possible on this desktop pc..after about 5 mins of inactivity19:12
BluesKajit's become a real PITA 19:13
sgclarkBluesKaj: yeah that drives me crazy too, be sure to check settings in Desktop Behavior, yet another screen locking section19:15
sgclarkthey really want to lock our screens..19:16
BluesKajsgclark, ok , checking19:18
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BluesKajsgclark, any way to disable screenlocking altogether?19:21
sgclarkif there is I have not figured it out... I set it as high as it would go...19:21
BluesKaj99mins19:21
sgclarkseems silly to force it on us19:21
yofelisn't it just 2 settings? (lock after suspend, lock after time)19:21
yofelah that, uh...19:22
yofelthere *should* be a "Never" option19:22
sgclarkyeah19:22
yofelwhich is shown if you go down to 0 min19:23
BluesKajanother unwanted "fearure"19:23
sgclarkomg yofelthanks! lol, that is not "obvious" though..19:24
yofelright, why go with a text input with drop-down presets which are obvious if you can use a click-through list -.-19:26
ahoneybunhttps://userbase.kde.org/Plasma19:27
BluesKajyofel, right, thanks "never" isn't easily found19:28
yofelahoneybun: hm?19:28
yofelis it just me or does khelpcenter show "Documentation not Found" for about half the System Settings handbooks?19:30
sgclarkyofel: yeah documentation paths are hard coded in the debhelper rules and I have asked and informed with no results19:31
sgclarkplasma5 has a diff path than kde4 stuff19:32
yofelokaaay...19:32
sgclarkokaaay?19:32
yofelyes, but wait, isn't the documentation shipped with the modules now?19:33
yofelI definitely have a "Keyboard" kcm, but no documentation for it19:33
BluesKaji wish plasma 5 would restore the differnt backgrounds for different VDs , I don't know how to configure them in activities ...activities seems so unecessary to me 19:33
yofelI'll agree with that. What irony that *real* displays can actually have different backgrounds19:34
BluesKajyeah i really miss it19:35
ahoneybunyofel: I'm missing a lot too19:46
ahoneybunso this is version 5.2 of the khelpcenter/19:48
ovidiu-florinjose: ping19:49
ahoneybunsgclark: how does one edit deps for a package?19:52
yofelahoneybun: see Depends: field in debian/control for that binary19:53
ahoneybunyofel: I'm trying to run the export sh that builds the docs but I'm missing svn and advpng19:57
yofelah, then it's missing deps on subversion and advancecomp19:58
ahoneybunoh that is the packages19:58
yofeldpkg -S <file> or apt-file find <file> will tell you the package19:58
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ahoneybunyofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10576500/20:00
yofelo.O20:02
ahoneybunyea20:02
ahoneybunyofel: reason I asked about the deps is that kubuntu-docs currently will download khelpcenter420:03
yofelhm, If I run ./export.sh from the archive package, it just hangs..20:03
ahoneybundid you clone it from here: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu-docs.git?20:04
yofelah yeah, that should be khelpcenter. But then you also need to make sure that khelpcenter 5 can find them20:04
yofelno, I did apt-get source as that was my best guess :P20:05
yofelah, now it failed20:05
ahoneybunkhelpcenter is now version520:06
yofelyes, but that also uses different lookup paths I believe, sgclark knows more about that20:06
ahoneybunyofel: so keep khelpcenter4 and add khelpcenter5 sgclark ?20:07
yofelno, helpcenter4 is a transitional package for khelpcenter in vivid20:08
yofelthere is no khelpcenter 4 anymore20:08
yofel(theoretically that means that the dep isn't completely broken because you end up with the right app in the end)20:09
sgclarkhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34050820:11
ubottuKDE bug 340508 in general "Mulitple Search paths Plasma 5 with kde4 apps" [Normal,Resolved: invalid]20:11
yofelhm, there is no keyboard documentation, so why does khelpcenter show it at all o.O20:14
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: ping20:19
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: take a look: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/20:20
ovidiu-florincan you make it bigger?20:20
ovidiu-florinit's a bit fuzzy20:20
yofelduh20:22
yofelahoneybun: the documentation moved20:23
yofel<title>301 Moved Permanently</title>20:23
yofel<p>The document has moved <a href="https://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Special:Export&amp;action=submit">here</a>.</p>20:23
yofelthat's not a file that wiki2docbook.py can parse ^^20:23
yofelahoneybun: replace http with https and try agian20:25
ovidiu-florinwhere can I find the KF5 icons?20:27
Riddellovidiu-florin: breeze tar at http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.2.1/20:29
Riddellovidiu-florin: ooh fancy20:29
ovidiu-florinRiddell: the icons on the bottom need fixing20:40
ovidiu-florinand the content of the main pages20:40
ovidiu-florinI'll do as much as I can this evening20:41
Riddellovidiu-florin++ :)20:42
BluesKajwell, think I'll sign opff for another day , maybe tomorrow will be more positive ..laters20:44
ovidiu-florinI'm trying to find replacement icons for the 4 main ones on the homepage20:47
ovidiu-florincan someone please help me?20:47
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: the "Get Kubuntu Take the feature tour" ones?20:52
ovidiu-florinyes20:52
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: looking for different ones to use20:52
ahoneybun?20:52
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: Plasma5 / Breeze ones20:52
ahoneybunoh ok not sure let me look20:53
ahoneybun /usr/share/icons/breeze ovidiu-florin ?20:55
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.2.1/20:55
ovidiu-florinthe breeze archive20:55
ahoneybunyofel: http where?20:57
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: still downloading20:58
yofelahoneybun: in export.sh20:58
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: take a look: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/20:58
yofelahoneybun: line 5520:58
ovidiu-florinat feature tour20:59
ahoneybunsweet21:04
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/?21:06
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: look at the homepage21:06
ahoneybunit looks nice21:07
ahoneybunjust a bit jumbled21:07
ahoneybunI want a tshirt lol21:09
ahoneybunyofel: looks like it is hanging21:09
yofelno, it's just not printing anything...21:09
yofelhere its running fine now (might take an ~hour or so)21:09
ahoneybunoh is there a option to add to it to show process yofel?21:10
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: still not sure what your trying to show me sorry21:10
yofelit does show which language it's at21:11
ahoneybunyea ture21:11
ahoneybun*true21:11
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: the 4 icons below the header21:11
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: I think somethings need to be remove (mostly those old old screenshots21:11
yofelyou could add "set -x" at the top I guess, that'll print each script line when it's executed21:11
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: I see the new pretty plasma 5 icons21:12
ovidiu-florinthen you saw what I've shown you21:12
ahoneybunI also see the old ones too21:12
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: where???21:24
ahoneybununder the new ones ovidiu-florin21:25
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: ah, that's the page content21:25
ovidiu-florinthat will be changed21:25
ahoneybununder the 14.10 banner21:26
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: if you need a bigger banner let me know the size21:26
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: can it be SVG?21:26
ahoneybunyofel: ovidiu-florin Riddell are you going to Akademy?21:26
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: I'm planning to21:26
ovidiu-florinRiddell: Can I give a short call?21:26
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: never have made a svg21:26
Riddellovidiu-florin: no busy21:26
ovidiu-florinah 1600px by 500px21:27
Riddellovidiu-florin: ok free now21:28
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: also the images at the bottom I need in 232px * 101px21:28
Riddellahoneybun: yep, are you coming?21:28
ahoneybunRiddell: I sent a request for funds for the trip to Ubuntu (no idea if they will accept)21:28
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: those are being pulled from the recent posts right?21:29
ahoneybunRiddell: I really hope they let me21:34
Riddellahoneybun: lovely21:34
* ahoneybun needs a passport though21:35
ovidiu-florinseaLne: ping21:37
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: the ones at the bottom, no21:37
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: is 1000 by 1500 big enough?21:46
ovidiu-florinfor which one?21:46
ahoneybunthe banner on the top21:46
ovidiu-florin1600 x 50021:46
ahoneybundamn21:47
ahoneybunok21:47
rwwRiddell: If you're available, #kubuntu-offtopic could do with some attention. GeronimoStilton apparently thinks eugenics is on-topic for it.21:50
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: http://imgur.com/a/yUZul#121:51
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: does that work?21:58
Riddellumm dunno who has ops there21:59
RiddellTm_T: ?21:59
rwwRiddell: You do.21:59
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/21:59
rwwthanks :)21:59
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: ignore the content22:00
ovidiu-florinI think there's a bug in the theme22:00
joseovidiu-florin: pong22:01
ovidiu-florinjose: take a look at http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/22:01
* jose checks22:01
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: awesome :)22:03
ovidiu-florinjose: we need a plugin that allows us to not have a sidebar on certain pages22:04
ovidiu-florindo you have time to look for it?22:04
ovidiu-florinI have to leave now22:04
joseovidiu-florin: what about the *other* way round?22:04
ovidiu-florinthank you ahoneybun22:04
joseprobably. I may have some time in a while.22:04
ovidiu-florinthe images are awesome22:05
ovidiu-florinI'm off to bed22:06
ovidiu-floringood night22:06
ahoneybunnight ovidiu-florin22:07
ahoneybunsup jose22:07
josenot much22:07
josebeen busy lately22:07
ahoneybunyofel: seems to have built successfully22:10
* ahoneybun has no access to the new site jose22:12
josecannot do much righ tnow22:12
josealso, it's dev-only22:12
joseI'm not entitled to admin the page either :P22:13
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prth_ahoneybun, just saw your msg. i m using dolphin v14.11.97 & instead of embedded terminal it just shows blank space22:18
ahoneybunprth_: same here let me check the version22:19
ahoneybunv14.11.97 here as well22:19
ahoneybunjose: ok that cool22:20
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