[00:56] <VolUTFan> ScottK: Check reply to 1427482 when you get a min
[00:57] <VolUTFan> ScottK: Just getting back with you about your question in the Bug
[01:09]  * ahoneybun just got the remove upstart update
[01:20] <VolUTFan> valorie: what are we having for dinner :)
[01:58] <prth> Riddell, could you please provide me feedback on the patches I sent for bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1429461 &  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1350855 if you get time.
[01:58] <prth> Riddell, btw that tutorial you suggested helped me a lot to setup my hacking environment
[02:23] <ahoneybun> prth: I have no idea if the patches work but thanks either way
[02:23] <ahoneybun> :)
[02:23] <prth> ahoneybun, welcome :)
[02:24] <ahoneybun> prth: have any ideas about this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 ?
[02:24] <prth> ahoneybun, it was a great experience hacking on an installer
[02:25] <prth> ahoneybun, sure, i'll look into it. thanks
[02:28] <ahoneybun> I got though it using fdisk to format the partition into EFI
[02:28] <ahoneybun> thanks prth
[02:31] <prth> ahoneybun,yeah i read your last comment. i suspect it's caused because it fails to detect the efi partition as the partition dict doesn't contain the key `module`
[02:32] <prth> ahoneybun, it was the reason for bug  1429461
[02:37] <ahoneybun> oh cool
[02:37] <ahoneybun> prth: can you open the embedded terminal in dolphin?
[02:41] <ahoneybun> I so want to go to akademy
[02:55] <ahoneybun> valorie: I applied for funds to go to akademy
[07:17] <soee> good morning
[08:59] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:49] <Riddell> hi
[11:49] <Riddell> my head is quite broken today, I'm taking it easy
[11:52] <soee> hiho, did you hit something with your head ? :)
[11:53] <Riddell> something hit me, some years ago, it just randomly goes wonky
[11:53] <soee> :(
[11:56] <KDDA> define wonky
[11:58] <Riddell> craving sugar, out of breath, feels like my metabolism isn't working
[11:59] <Riddell> but it's random every time, could be painful, could be physically fine but unable to think.  fortunately it's pretty rare, today's the first day this year I've had to spend the morning on a sofa
[11:59] <KDDA> get a big bowl of porridge down ya!
[11:59] <Riddell> mm that would hit the spot
[12:06] <kfunk> Riddell: get well soon, dude!
[12:07] <Riddell> ach it happens, I'm probably fine by tomorrow
[12:08] <soee> lets do something simple, create some slogan for vivid :-)
[12:09] <sitter> kubotu: is your trello thread still working?
[12:11] <Riddell> sitter: it was working last night
[12:11] <Riddell> 19:33 -kubotu:#kubuntu-devel- [15.04] New card 'Update kubuntu-docs package' created 
[12:12] <sitter> you know, I think the thread actually gets stuck on trello api not responding and the trello gem not having a timeout or something
[12:22]  * sitter moves kubotu to newer gemset
[12:33] <Riddell> prth: sorry not had a chance to look at your patches and I guess I don't have the energy today :(
[12:36] <Riddell> my audio has broken, is this due to hte systemd change or because my laptop is falling apart?
[12:37] <KDDA> Riddell: since when?
[12:38] <KDDA> I upgraded last night and rebooted this morning, and audio seems to be ok with me
[12:39] <Riddell> for a couple of days
[12:39] <Riddell> I need to check with an old kubuntu version, it's probably my latptop
[12:40] <yofel> audio works here too. The last time I had audio issues was when I tried systemd and used a sddm that didn't support it (back when it had the systemd integration disabled)
[12:40] <sitter> kubotu:今日は
[12:40] <Riddell> hmm
[12:40] <sitter> doesn't speak japanese apparently
[12:41] <sitter> kubotu: ping
[12:41] <kubotu> pong
[12:41] <sitter> now if I had started you in a screen...
[12:42] <sitter> how does one know if one is using systemd?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:43] <yofel> sitter: if systemctl status errors out, you're not
[12:44] <BluesKaj> sitter, " ps  -p 1 "
[12:44] <sitter> cheers
[12:44] <sitter> totally systemding
[12:45] <shadeslayer> I'm totally initing
[12:45] <yofel> ^^
[12:45] <BluesKaj> systemd here too, but I don't notice any boot time difference
[12:46] <BluesKaj> from grub to desktop
[12:46] <sitter> why would there be a noticble difference?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> heard stories systemd is faster
[12:46] <BluesKaj> dunno why tho
[12:46] <shadeslayer> I'm totally going to build all of Qt5 on arm this week
[12:47] <Riddell> sitter: have you tested kubuntu ci with systemd? d__ed had problems with the upgrade
[12:47] <sitter> nope I am running pristine vivid
[12:47] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Compared to sysv init perhaps.
[12:47] <sitter> Riddell: if there's a problem that would likely be upstream though
[12:47] <sitter> seeing as ci sddm is integrating master
[12:48] <mparillo> BluesKaj: I agree...if systemd is faster, it is only because you have accurate timings. It was explained to me yesterday that upstart already supported parallel boot processing.
[12:50] <sitter> random speed stories only show how much made up nonesense  is going around about systemd, no wonder people are all polarized about it ^^
[12:51] <lordievader> Hehe. Yeah, lots of people bitch about it without actually trying the stuff.
[12:52] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how did you install kubuntu?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> mparillo, this old pc still takes over a minute to boot to the desktop, but that includes typing the password 
[12:59] <shadeslayer> sitter: well, one might see a noticable difference if you had services that were started with init but weren't actually needed till you logged in 
[12:59] <shadeslayer> whereas with systemd, those services are fake started
[13:00] <shadeslayer> and have socket activation and what not
[13:01] <yofel> I notice that my tty's start slower than sddm ^^
[13:01] <sitter> shadeslayer: even with upstart they only would cause IO blocking 
[13:02] <mparillo> sitter: As I said, the claimed end-user benefit was the speed increase, and I see no obvious advantage over upstart (IIRC, it was ). As far as the comments that systemd is not the 'unix way', or that for those managing hundreds of servers with hand-coded init scripts, that is outside of anything I am competent to opine on.
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Can anyone explain Shuttleworth's decision to go with systemd, since there appears to be little benefit and whole lot of controversy ?
[13:35] <KDDA> noone can explain that!
[13:35] <KDDA> why his decision to go with Unity?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yeah, that too
[13:36] <yofel> BluesKaj: mostly to not carry a huge diff to debian, which switched to systemd by default
[13:36] <BluesKaj> ah yeah , it's all debian's fault...wonder what their reasoning is 
[13:36] <BluesKaj> yofel,^
[13:37] <yofel> go read up on the several month long CTTE war that went on over the systemd debate. In the end it was a very close call between sytstemd and upstart
[13:37]  * BluesKaj googles
[13:41] <sitter> there's also a push by various upstreams to adopt systemd as a hard or at least very much recommended dependency
[13:47] <sgclark> morning
[13:47] <sgclark> so sitter what happened?
[13:48] <sitter> sgclark: see mails
[13:49] <sgclark> I did and not clear, perhaps I need more than a sip of coffee
[13:51] <sgclark> the script did fail on those few, I was still working on it, got busy with my kde hat..
[13:52] <sitter> sgclark: for all the stuff I listed as rewritten you'll want to run git pull --rebase in the kubuntu_vivid_archive branch and then do a new upload
[13:52] <sgclark> so I have to do this rebase on all these and reupload?
[13:52] <sgclark> oi vei okies
[13:52] <sitter> alternatively you could do git fetch origin && git reset --hard origin/kubuntu_vivid_archive 
[13:53] <sitter> strictly speaking that is the more correct approach
[14:14] <BluesKaj> I see we still have rc.d remanants hanging about, receiving this notice after the upgrade this morning "update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults"
[14:15] <BluesKaj> err remnants that is
[16:30] <Riddell> bug 1430426
[16:30] <Riddell> Sho_: any advice on best thing to do with kwallet? is there a way to make it not need a password and use PAM?
[16:31] <Sho_> Riddell: From an exchange I had with afiestas the best way to go is make kwallet5 take on the job of both 4/5 and fix pam support in it
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I leave the password fields blank , but disabling the wallet is my first choice
[16:31] <Sho_> Riddell: He says it's not a lot of work
[16:32] <Sho_> I asked for an ETA and never got a reply after
[16:34] <Riddell> mm, figures
[16:35] <Riddell> bug 1430428 is nasty
[16:36] <Riddell> live cd booting into ubquity-dm now which doesn't transition to a live desktop
[17:07] <Riddell> well after a reinstall audio is now all working
[17:07] <Riddell> very strange
[17:17] <Riddell> weirdest thing, when installing some software (like libudev-dev) it likes to switch vt to show the kubuntu plymouth boot, I have to press F1 to get back to X
[17:51] <BluesKaj> Riddell, yes , but that was on the daily image, right ? I didn't see that on the beta 
[17:52] <BluesKaj> older daily image that is
[17:55] <Riddell> BluesKaj: what is?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> Riddell, the switch to the VT to relogin to ubiquity
[18:37] <ahoneybun> Riddell: still here?
[18:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: not really
[18:44] <ahoneybun> Riddell: still need to know how I got kubuntu to install?
[18:54] <Riddell> ahoneybun: hmm, I don't remember why I asked now
[18:55] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes but daily is newer so that's a problem
[18:55] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ok , so that relogin bug has returned then 
[19:12] <BluesKaj> Riddell, it also appears in my installed OS, the relogin bug totally ignores my power settings which I normally just disable if possible on this desktop pc..after about 5 mins of inactivity
[19:13] <BluesKaj> it's become a real PITA 
[19:15] <sgclark> BluesKaj: yeah that drives me crazy too, be sure to check settings in Desktop Behavior, yet another screen locking section
[19:16] <sgclark> they really want to lock our screens..
[19:18] <BluesKaj> sgclark, ok , checking
[19:21] <BluesKaj> sgclark, any way to disable screenlocking altogether?
[19:21] <sgclark> if there is I have not figured it out... I set it as high as it would go...
[19:21] <BluesKaj> 99mins
[19:21] <sgclark> seems silly to force it on us
[19:21] <yofel> isn't it just 2 settings? (lock after suspend, lock after time)
[19:22] <yofel> ah that, uh...
[19:22] <yofel> there *should* be a "Never" option
[19:22] <sgclark> yeah
[19:23] <yofel> which is shown if you go down to 0 min
[19:23] <BluesKaj> another unwanted "fearure"
[19:24] <sgclark> omg yofelthanks! lol, that is not "obvious" though..
[19:26] <yofel> right, why go with a text input with drop-down presets which are obvious if you can use a click-through list -.-
[19:27] <ahoneybun> https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma
[19:28] <BluesKaj> yofel, right, thanks "never" isn't easily found
[19:28] <yofel> ahoneybun: hm?
[19:30] <yofel> is it just me or does khelpcenter show "Documentation not Found" for about half the System Settings handbooks?
[19:31] <sgclark> yofel: yeah documentation paths are hard coded in the debhelper rules and I have asked and informed with no results
[19:32] <sgclark> plasma5 has a diff path than kde4 stuff
[19:32] <yofel> okaaay...
[19:32] <sgclark> okaaay?
[19:33] <yofel> yes, but wait, isn't the documentation shipped with the modules now?
[19:33] <yofel> I definitely have a "Keyboard" kcm, but no documentation for it
[19:33] <BluesKaj> i wish plasma 5 would restore the differnt backgrounds for different VDs , I don't know how to configure them in activities ...activities seems so unecessary to me 
[19:34] <yofel> I'll agree with that. What irony that *real* displays can actually have different backgrounds
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yeah i really miss it
[19:46] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'm missing a lot too
[19:48] <ahoneybun> so this is version 5.2 of the khelpcenter/
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ping
[19:52] <ahoneybun> sgclark: how does one edit deps for a package?
[19:53] <yofel> ahoneybun: see Depends: field in debian/control for that binary
[19:57] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'm trying to run the export sh that builds the docs but I'm missing svn and advpng
[19:58] <yofel> ah, then it's missing deps on subversion and advancecomp
[19:58] <ahoneybun> oh that is the packages
[19:58] <yofel> dpkg -S <file> or apt-file find <file> will tell you the package
[20:00] <ahoneybun> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10576500/
[20:02] <yofel> o.O
[20:02] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:03] <ahoneybun> yofel: reason I asked about the deps is that kubuntu-docs currently will download khelpcenter4
[20:03] <yofel> hm, If I run ./export.sh from the archive package, it just hangs..
[20:04] <ahoneybun> did you clone it from here: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu-docs.git?
[20:04] <yofel> ah yeah, that should be khelpcenter. But then you also need to make sure that khelpcenter 5 can find them
[20:05] <yofel> no, I did apt-get source as that was my best guess :P
[20:05] <yofel> ah, now it failed
[20:06] <ahoneybun> khelpcenter is now version5
[20:06] <yofel> yes, but that also uses different lookup paths I believe, sgclark knows more about that
[20:07] <ahoneybun> yofel: so keep khelpcenter4 and add khelpcenter5 sgclark ?
[20:08] <yofel> no, helpcenter4 is a transitional package for khelpcenter in vivid
[20:08] <yofel> there is no khelpcenter 4 anymore
[20:09] <yofel> (theoretically that means that the dep isn't completely broken because you end up with the right app in the end)
[20:11] <sgclark> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340508
[20:14] <yofel> hm, there is no keyboard documentation, so why does khelpcenter show it at all o.O
[20:19] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: take a look: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> can you make it bigger?
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> it's a bit fuzzy
[20:22] <yofel> duh
[20:23] <yofel> ahoneybun: the documentation moved
301 Moved Permanently</title>
The document has moved <a href="https://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Special:Export&amp;action=submit">here</a>.</p>
[20:23] <yofel> that's not a file that wiki2docbook.py can parse ^^
[20:25] <yofel> ahoneybun: replace http with https and try agian
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> where can I find the KF5 icons?
[20:29] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: breeze tar at http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.2.1/
[20:29] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ooh fancy
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the icons on the bottom need fixing
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> and the content of the main pages
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> I'll do as much as I can this evening
[20:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin++ :)
[20:44] <BluesKaj> well, think I'll sign opff for another day , maybe tomorrow will be more positive ..laters
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to find replacement icons for the 4 main ones on the homepage
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please help me?
[20:52] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: the "Get Kubuntu Take the feature tour" ones?
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[20:52] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: looking for different ones to use
[20:52] <ahoneybun> ?
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Plasma5 / Breeze ones
[20:53] <ahoneybun> oh ok not sure let me look
[20:55] <ahoneybun>  /usr/share/icons/breeze ovidiu-florin ?
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.2.1/
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> the breeze archive
[20:57] <ahoneybun> yofel: http where?
[20:58] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: still downloading
[20:58] <yofel> ahoneybun: in export.sh
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: take a look: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[20:58] <yofel> ahoneybun: line 55
[20:59] <ovidiu-florin> at feature tour
[21:04] <ahoneybun> sweet
[21:06] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/?
[21:06] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: look at the homepage
[21:07] <ahoneybun> it looks nice
[21:07] <ahoneybun> just a bit jumbled
[21:09] <ahoneybun> I want a tshirt lol
[21:09] <ahoneybun> yofel: looks like it is hanging
[21:09] <yofel> no, it's just not printing anything...
[21:09] <yofel> here its running fine now (might take an ~hour or so)
[21:10] <ahoneybun> oh is there a option to add to it to show process yofel?
[21:10] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: still not sure what your trying to show me sorry
[21:11] <yofel> it does show which language it's at
[21:11] <ahoneybun> yea ture
[21:11] <ahoneybun> *true
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: the 4 icons below the header
[21:11] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I think somethings need to be remove (mostly those old old screenshots
[21:11] <yofel> you could add "set -x" at the top I guess, that'll print each script line when it's executed
[21:12] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I see the new pretty plasma 5 icons
[21:12] <ovidiu-florin> then you saw what I've shown you
[21:12] <ahoneybun> I also see the old ones too
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: where???
[21:25] <ahoneybun> under the new ones ovidiu-florin
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ah, that's the page content
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> that will be changed
[21:26] <ahoneybun> under the 14.10 banner
[21:26] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: if you need a bigger banner let me know the size
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: can it be SVG?
[21:26] <ahoneybun> yofel: ovidiu-florin Riddell are you going to Akademy?
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I'm planning to
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Can I give a short call?
[21:26] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: never have made a svg
[21:26] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no busy
[21:27] <ovidiu-florin> ah 1600px by 500px
[21:28] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ok free now
[21:28] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: also the images at the bottom I need in 232px * 101px
[21:28] <Riddell> ahoneybun: yep, are you coming?
[21:28] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I sent a request for funds for the trip to Ubuntu (no idea if they will accept)
[21:29] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: those are being pulled from the recent posts right?
[21:34] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I really hope they let me
[21:34] <Riddell> ahoneybun: lovely
[21:35]  * ahoneybun needs a passport though
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin> seaLne: ping
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: the ones at the bottom, no
[21:46] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: is 1000 by 1500 big enough?
[21:46] <ovidiu-florin> for which one?
[21:46] <ahoneybun> the banner on the top
[21:46] <ovidiu-florin> 1600 x 500
[21:47] <ahoneybun> damn
[21:47] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:50] <rww> Riddell: If you're available, #kubuntu-offtopic could do with some attention. GeronimoStilton apparently thinks eugenics is on-topic for it.
[21:51] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: http://imgur.com/a/yUZul#1
[21:58] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: does that work?
[21:59] <Riddell> umm dunno who has ops there
[21:59] <Riddell> Tm_T: ?
[21:59] <rww> Riddell: You do.
[21:59] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[21:59] <rww> thanks :)
[22:00] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ignore the content
[22:00] <ovidiu-florin> I think there's a bug in the theme
[22:01] <jose> ovidiu-florin: pong
[22:01] <ovidiu-florin> jose: take a look at http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[22:01]  * jose checks
[22:03] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: awesome :)
[22:04] <ovidiu-florin> jose: we need a plugin that allows us to not have a sidebar on certain pages
[22:04] <ovidiu-florin> do you have time to look for it?
[22:04] <ovidiu-florin> I have to leave now
[22:04] <jose> ovidiu-florin: what about the *other* way round?
[22:04] <ovidiu-florin> thank you ahoneybun
[22:04] <jose> probably. I may have some time in a while.
[22:05] <ovidiu-florin> the images are awesome
[22:06] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[22:06] <ovidiu-florin> good night
[22:07] <ahoneybun> night ovidiu-florin
[22:07] <ahoneybun> sup jose
[22:07] <jose> not much
[22:07] <jose> been busy lately
[22:10] <ahoneybun> yofel: seems to have built successfully
[22:12]  * ahoneybun has no access to the new site jose
[22:12] <jose> cannot do much righ tnow
[22:12] <jose> also, it's dev-only
[22:13] <jose> I'm not entitled to admin the page either :P
[22:18] <prth_> ahoneybun, just saw your msg. i m using dolphin v14.11.97 & instead of embedded terminal it just shows blank space
[22:19] <ahoneybun> prth_: same here let me check the version
[22:19] <ahoneybun> v14.11.97 here as well
[22:20] <ahoneybun> jose: ok that cool