[01:19] <selby2> aye, can anyone help me figure out why vivid plasma is crashing before i can login after an update today?
[01:20] <selby2> something about kdeinit5
[01:23] <selby2> or help me get into a shell login so i can start awesome or gnome?
[01:23] <selby2> any help would be much appreciated++
[01:25] <selby> hmm
[01:33] <selby> dissappointing
[01:34] <Unit193> selby: I can do the second, haven't used plasma.  Boot with  text  from grub.
[01:35] <Unit193> !text
[01:41] <selby> thanks, that's good to know
[01:42] <selby> i managed to get konsole open trying to debug the new plasma with gdb and deleted my .kde
[01:42] <selby> didn't seem to help, though -.-
[01:45] <selby> Unit193: Any chance you can think of anything else I can try?  Know how to do an update rollback with apt-get by any chance?
[01:46] <Unit193> selby: 1. Did you get it via a PPA?  2. What DM do you have?
[01:47] <selby> Ah!
[01:47] <selby> plasma configs are in .config, not .kde
[01:47] <Unit193> Generally speaking, yes.
[01:48] <Unit193> Also could try the guest account.
[01:48] <selby> Eh, I set up autologin
[01:48] <selby> DM?
[01:49] <Unit193> Display Manager = LightDM, sddm, etc.
[01:49] <selby> Ah, I decided to try out sddm this time
[01:50] <selby> But I set up autologin so i'd have to boot into text mode and start it manually
[01:51] <selby> Whelp, my configs don't appear to be be problem. I'm going to see if I can't figure out how to do a roll back
[01:51] <selby> And yeah, I'm using the official vidid PPAs
[01:53] <selby> Oh man
[01:54] <selby> I hope btrfs snapshots automagickly
[01:54] <Unit193> !ppa-purge
[01:59] <selby> Don't think that's an option, Unit193
[01:59] <selby> I used dist-upgrade -d a few weeks ago to switch all of my sources to the vivid development branch
[02:01] <selby> Shit, I wish I had known about this sooner: https://www.howtoforge.com/rollback-to-a-working-state-with-btrfs-plus-apt-btrfs-snapshot-on-ubuntu-12.10
[02:05] <selby> Oh well.  I have a working install on another HDD.  I'll wait a week or two to see if the Kubuntu devs push any updates that'll fix this.  I was really liking the new plasma =((
[02:13] <selby> Thanks for all your help, Unit193.  Taught me a few things =)
[02:13] <Unit193> selby: Great, didn't think I was of much help though.
[02:15] <selby> Yeah, but i wasn't expecting for a KDE/Kubuntu dev
[02:16] <selby> Didn't win the battle on this one, but you taught me some nifty tricks for the future
[03:19] <VolUTFan> Apt-Mirror - Multiple Local Repository Setup - Kubuntu/Ubuntu - http://youtu.be/hr0hOHH2rNk - New Video Posted - Thanks for the tips everyone.  Hope this helps someone trying to accomplish the same thing.
[05:27] <sanghvi> #freenode
[05:27] <sanghvi> #maria
[07:17] <soee> good morning
[07:21]  * Guest23887 is trying to get (so far plasma5) kubuntu working with nouveau or nvidia on NV46 hardware, G72M GeForce Go 7300 / Quadro NVS 110M -- Dell Latitude D820 -- with nvidia can get glx and X but kwin compositing just kinda hangs there till I kill kwin, with nouveau...lots of weird lockups and haven't managed a proper X yet, have tried everything up to and including linux-image-4.0-rc3 on a 15.04 based install with and without kubuntu-ci kwin...
[07:21] <Guest23887> oops
[07:21] <Guest23887> forgot to identify >.<
[07:21] <RtMF> also that probably cut
[07:21] <RtMF> I have been, for the past 24+ hours, trying to get (so far plasma5) kubuntu working with nouveau or nvidia on NV46 hardware, G72M GeForce Go 7300 / Quadro NVS 110M -- Dell Latitude D820 -- with nvidia can get glx and X but kwin compositing just kinda hangs there till I kill kwin, with nouveau...lots of weird lockups and haven't managed a proper X yet, have tried everything up to and including linux-image-4.0-rc3 on a 15.04 based install with and ...
[07:21] <RtMF> ... without kubuntu-ci kwin...
[08:59] <lordievader> Goede morgen.
[08:59] <lordievader> Err, good morning.
[09:01] <CoJaBo> Just upgraded an ancient install to Trusty and touchpad scrolling is set to about ⅙c; is there a way to slow it down to something usable?
[09:09] <valorie> CoJaBo: in systemsettings
[09:09] <CoJaBo> There's no option for it there
[09:10] <CoJaBo> There's one for mouse, but it does not apply to the touchpad
[09:10] <valorie> oh, that old you might have to install syaptix
[09:10] <valorie> oops, synaptics or synaptix
[09:11] <valorie> now it is part of systemsettings, 14.10 onwards
[09:15] <CoJaBo> is that synclient?
[09:18] <valorie> I've not heard of that
[09:18] <valorie> !synaptics
[09:24] <Jiyuhen> Good morning folks
[09:24] <Jiyuhen> goeie morge lordievade ;-)
[09:25] <CoJaBo> valorie: ..it's a bug in the system settings. The setting is there, but you can't turn it high enough to have any meaningful effect. Maximum permitted is 10, everything works flawlessly if I use the commandline to set it to *160*
[09:28] <valorie> wow
[09:29] <valorie> patches welcome, I suppose - Trusty is still supported in that security bugs are fixed
[09:29] <valorie> but we no longer backport application updates and such
[09:29] <CoJaBo> The slider goes all the way from ⅙ the speed of light to twice the speed of light :/
[09:29] <valorie> exception might be made for a fix like that, however
[09:30] <valorie> I don't recall any problems with my touchpad in the trust days
[09:30] <CoJaBo> It must only affect certain models; it literally breaks scrolling functionality 100%, no way that would go unnoticed
[09:31] <valorie> could be, all I've ever had is laptops, and the last few I've rarely used a mouse
[09:31] <valorie> just the touchpad
[09:32] <CoJaBo> I had the wikipedia article on Kubuntu open. Its decently long; but it's impossible to reach the middle by scrolling. Only hits the top or bottom
[09:37] <valorie> pagedown is what I try to use anyway; that said, scrolling is meant to work
[12:33] <owlman> Hi all. Seeking some help with a fresh install of vivid-beta1 on new hardware
[12:34] <owlman> specifically a lenovo thinkpad Helix 2nd generation tablet with the ultrabook pro keyboard
[12:35] <hateball> !ubuntu+1
[12:35] <lordievader> owlman: Vivid support is in #ubuntu+1.
[12:35] <owlman> cheers,
[12:35] <owlman> thanks
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:36] <solarseed> Howdy BluesKaj
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hey solarseed
[14:05] <VolUTFan> Mornin Everyone
[14:06] <solarseed> BluesKaj: Are you from the UK?
[14:06] <solarseed> Good Mornin VolUTFan
[14:10] <BluesKaj> solarseed, no I'm in Ontario Canada about 300KM north of Toronto
[14:11] <BluesKaj> hey VolUTFan
[14:37] <VolUTFan> For those that use more than 1 desktop on your 14.10 P4, has anyone been experiencing the screens auto switching on you in the middle of doing something via the terminal?
[14:38] <VolUTFan> virtual desktops that is
[14:42] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, not here
[14:43] <VolUTFan> thanks for the confirm BluesKaj
[14:43] <VolUTFan> I dunno what was happening.  it was freaky.  I was doing a screencast, and that happened
[14:43] <VolUTFan> only happened once
[14:44] <VolUTFan> Maybe I accidently pulled on the scrollwheel..  who knows
[14:44] <VolUTFan> lol
[14:45] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, yeah the scrollwheel will do that :) , which effect are you using to switch desktops?
[14:50] <VolUTFan> well, there is the upper right corner of the screen that will show 4 virtual desktops.  I use that sometimes, then there is L-Ctrl+F11 to show the desktop cube effect.  I use that one mostly.
[14:50] <VolUTFan> Funny thing is, I remember seeing an option for sphere instead of cube, and it used to be in the dropdown http://picpaste.com/desktop-animation-cht6vx34.jpg  Do you have the sphere effect option now under 14.10
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yeah, Impressed my Windows friends with the desktop cube and the VDs with different backgrounds the effect which unfortunately is no longer available on plasma5 :/
[14:53] <VolUTFan> what about the sphere under 14.10.  is that still available?  I don't seem to have it
[14:54] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, haven't seen the sphere effect for a while..haven't really looked for it tho
[14:54] <VolUTFan> there is a lot of system options that are missing under plasma5.  I like the new breeze login, and all, but the missing system options needs to be added back
[14:54] <VolUTFan> I don't like not being able to not be able to automount my usb drives from gui.
[14:54] <VolUTFan> lol
[14:55] <VolUTFan> BluesKaj: thanks for confirm on the sphere.  I don't really use it, but was going to switch it just to see what it looked like
[14:56] <VolUTFan> VirtualBox.  Not sure if its vbox or the encrypted lvm..  but I can't login to my encrypted login on inital boot without resetting the vm and it going to a text login
[14:56] <VolUTFan> its strange.
[14:58] <VolUTFan> What is the point of that dropdown on the breeze login for vivid?  There is an option there for failsafe, but what does it do?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> well, atm I'm on 15.04 so I can only confirm what's been dropped, and my experince with various VMs, mostly for running Windows hasn't been positive so I just dual boot. Qemu-kvm was very fast and slick, but the networking was prcatcally non-exisent
[15:00] <BluesKaj> scuse the spelling
[15:04] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, the dropdown failsafe didn't work when I needed it , so I can't say :)
[15:08] <BluesKaj> iirc that was when I had the nvidia-prime bug break X
[15:08] <VolUTFan> BluesKaj: System just powered down for some reason.  Ive never had a problem running vbox for windows 2003(R2) Server ,2008(R2) Server, 2012 server, XP or Windows 7
[15:10] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, 14.10 is the host, with plsama 5 ?
[15:10] <VolUTFan> nope, P4
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ok, that's strange alright
[15:10] <VolUTFan> Ive had a lot of problems with P5, so I backed off my main system and put in in a vbox test server
[15:12] <BluesKaj> 14.10 isn't quite ready for plasma5 IMO ,but for VB to misbehave like that is something totally new to me
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ran VB with windows 7 guest on 14.10 for about 3mos and never had a power down out of the blue
[15:14] <lordievader> VolUTFan: Switch to KVM :D
[15:15] <BluesKaj> KVM networking with W7 guest wasn't very good IME , lordievader
[15:15] <VolUTFan> I understood networking in kvm to be practically non-existant?
[15:16] <lordievader> I completely disagree, networking in kvm is lovely. As you simply get to use everything you already use.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> it connected to internet , but was blind to any other pcs on our LAN , windows and linux
[15:16] <VolUTFan> what is the package information for kvm, and I will take a look at it
[15:17] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Then your network setup was wrong. Any vm of mine can see any other node in the network.
[15:18] <lordievader> VolUTFan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[15:18] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, qemu-kvm in the repos
[15:18] <VolUTFan> ill check it out
[15:18] <VolUTFan> thanks
[15:22] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I think you used the macvtap interface instead of a bridge interface.
[15:27] <BluesKaj> lordievader,I used this very tutorial you posted above to install kvm, but the question I have what's the best partition to install the guest OS , / or /home , because It errored out installing on /home and / didn't have enough room to add windows apps once the install was finished
[15:27] <BluesKaj> on /
[15:27] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I use LVM, every VM gets it's own logical volume.
[15:28] <lordievader> If they require more than I originally thought I can simply give them more disk space.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> lvm is totally foreign to me , never thought about using it
[15:28] <lordievader> LVM is lovely.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> think I have enough on my platye with 15.04 atm :)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> plate
[15:30] <docdoc> hi ho
[15:32] <docdoc> hi ho
[15:32] <lordievader> o/
[15:32] <docdoc> anyone can get me some quick info on how to use a different sound driver in kbuntu?
[15:32] <docdoc> my sound is distorted : (
[15:32] <docdoc> oder different mixer maybe?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> docdoc, which audio chip ?
[15:34] <docdoc> oh, i have to search. it is an acer aspire  E1-571
[15:35] <BluesKaj> docdoc, in the terminal, aplay -l
[15:37] <docdoc> ah i cant, dont have my hands on that machine right now
[15:38] <docdoc> Intel Panther Point PCH - High Definition Audio Controller
[15:38] <docdoc> just wanted to know in general if i can change the driver and how
[15:39] <BluesKaj> docdoc, it's a laptop distortion is common on dinky laptop speakers , turn the volume down
[15:40] <docdoc> it is not a hardware problem. happens only in kubuntu. is there some kind of device manager?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> no need for a better driver , there isn't one , it's the snd-hda-intel driver and most likely you're overdriving the speakers or the headphones
[15:43] <lordievader> Or the output itself. VLC for example can go to 200%, likely resulting in distorted sound.
[15:44] <docdoc> yeah i thought of that, too. but the problem only happens when using the speaker. headphones work fine.
[15:44] <docdoc> it happens also when the sound is only 50%
[15:44] <docdoc> maybe change mixer?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> then you're overdriving the speakers , they aren't built for high volumes on a 500$ laptop
[15:45] <lordievader> Heh, even $1500 laptops have crappy speakers...
[15:45] <lordievader> And that is a good thing ;)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> docdoc, 50% volume , where , in alsamixer ?
[15:46] <docdoc> i dont know, in the freshly installed kubuntu 14.10
[15:46] <docdoc> default
[15:46] <docdoc> i guess
[15:47] <BluesKaj> how do you know the volumre is  50% , what are you using to measure kmix?
[15:47] <docdoc> the popup windows shows it
[15:49] <docdoc> so i could use kmix instead of alsamixer? alsa is default, i suppose?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> yes alsamixer is best for setting vol ctrls IME
[15:52] <BluesKaj> but since you don't have access to the actual machine then it's difficult to test
[15:52] <docdoc> ill remember to install alsamixer, i ust wanted to prepare what i can do tomorrow
[15:53] <BluesKaj> alsamixer is installed by default
[15:53] <docdoc> ok then kmix
[15:53] <BluesKaj> just type alsmixer in the terminal
[15:53] <lordievader> In the end they do exactly the same thing.
[15:53] <lordievader> Kmix has a couple layers of abstraction more.
[15:54] <akiva-thinkpad> mind if I make a small plug?
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> An ubuntu AMA starts in 5 minutes, on #ubuntu-on-air, at http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:55] <BluesKaj> wonder if pulseaudio is installed , most likely it is and sometimes it can cause problems with intel audio, since intel audio doesn't need pulseaudio , except for playing more than one source simultaneously
[15:56] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Nothing needs PA, but it is nice to have.
[15:56]  * BluesKaj purges pulseaudio on intel equipped pcs
[15:58] <BluesKaj> I need PA on my m-audio soundcard since alsa doesn't link with flash audio on websites for some reason ..unfortunately
[15:58] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Likely because something else is using the soundcard already.
[15:58] <lordievader> Pulseaudio's original name was Polyaudio ;)
[15:59]  * BluesKaj can't wait til HTML5 is universal
[15:59] <BluesKaj> lordievader, what could that something else be tho ?
[16:00] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Your browser, the DE, a notification system, a music player, etc, etc, etc.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> I have audio without using PA on my media file on the HDD , but any website will not play audio with my soundcard without PA
[16:02] <BluesKaj> it's strictly no audio on websites that's all , I have audio locally without PA, in other words
[16:03] <lordievader> That is the whole idea of Pulseaudio, claim the interface for yourself and present a socket anyone can use. Mix everything together and send it to the sound card.
[16:03] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Try playing local files with two different players.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> but it's another layer of unecessary processing adding distortion and artifacts to the sound
[16:04] <BluesKaj> lordievader, but why would i do that ?
[16:04] <lordievader> Unecessary? I like to be able to have multiple audio sources...
[16:05] <BluesKaj> yeah , I don't play media simultaneously
[16:05] <BluesKaj> no need to
[16:07] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Lets take a vm for example. I'd like to hear the sounds my Windows VM makes. Lets say I'am listening to music on the host. Whoever gets the soundcard first will be the only one who can play sounds.
[16:07] <lordievader> So with ALSA alone I get the choice, music or VM sounds. With PA on top of ALSA I get both.
[16:08] <lordievader> And then I haven't even mentioned the networking capabilities of PA.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> I don't have event sounds turned on here
[16:09] <rberg_> I know its not possible with a laptop but I bring my sound card anytime I upgrade computers. hardware mixing FTW
[16:11] <BluesKaj> my situation is different than yours..I prefer not to have extraneous stuff that I will never use...this pc is connected to a home theater system and that's it's purpose as a media server to the audio system and the TV, that's all it does ausdiowise
[16:36] <docdoc> @BluesKaj thanks, i will try it. at least ill find out if pulse audio is the culprit
[16:39] <BluesKaj> docdoc, don't crank the players volume and alsamixer, use alsamixer as you volume base at about 80% or sio then use the players volume for a decent undistorted level if possible
[16:44] <docdoc> ok tmr ill be back, hope youre still here ^_^
[16:45] <docdoc> i think my problem is much deeper, like this little bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1321421
[16:45] <docdoc> : (
[16:53] <BluesKaj> docdoc, if your soundcard is a realtek then yes, that could be a problem
[16:55] <BluesKaj> docdoc, , but if the fix applies to your problem then copying and pasting the "options string will probly work
[16:57] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:00] <docdoc> BluesKaj options string?
[17:06] <lordievader> docdoc: See comment 21 on the bug report.
[17:08] <docdoc> https://kernel.googlesource.com/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound/+/77f07800cb456bed6e5c345e6e4e83e8eda62437 this one?
[17:08] <docdoc> so i install this with makefile
[17:09] <lordievader> bug 1321421
[17:09] <docdoc> ok, i already habe 2 things which i can try
[18:06] <joan_> hi, I need some help to restore my bluetooth system. I'm running kubuntu trusty
[18:11] <joan_> bluetooth icon has disappeared from the taskbar and if I try running bluedevil or bluetooth launchers I get protocol dying errors
[20:59] <vineet> Hi, I want to install plasma 5
[20:59] <vineet> I am using kubuntu 14.04
[21:00] <vineet> I need to build a project branch that uses plasma 5
[21:06] <ronnoc> Anyone know of a fix to get Paition Manager working in Vivid?
[21:07] <bprompt> *cough* gparted *cough*
[21:09] <MoonUnit`> didn't work when i tried from the menu but runs with sudo partitionmanager from konsole.
[21:09] <bprompt> hmm
[21:10] <bprompt> may just be that needs "kdesudo" to run off the menu then
[21:10] <bprompt> and that's editable from  kmenuedit
[21:13] <ronnoc> ok thx I'll try that
[21:14] <MoonUnit`> just tried it didn't work
[21:15] <MoonUnit`> cannot load library lidkdeinit5_so type error, i've seen that with other apps that need sudo
[21:15] <bprompt> hmm
[21:16] <ronnoc> should be easy fix; suprised it's still around in Beta
[21:37] <Jiyuhen> Hi All
[21:38] <Jiyuhen> I have a weird issue. I have increased the diskspace from Home, from 3,8 GB to 20.42GB. It however shows me in the system still the3 GB
[21:38] <Jiyuhen> Where did I go wrong or fix this?
[21:42] <Jiyuhen> After browsing, I found the option for "df - h" but it shows to dev/sdb8 but should be dev/sdb3 actually
[21:55] <joan> hi again
[21:56] <joan> any hints on the bluetooth issue?
[22:09] <GeronimoStilton> excuse me for saying this riddell, but you're an ape. You're an impulsive ape who has little understanding of the finer subtleties of properly running a chatroom and instead result to kicking and banning whenever the opportunity presents itself. you clearly have little training and limited capacity to be a proper op. please step down.
[22:09] <GeronimoStilton> You needed to hear that.
[22:09] <GeronimoStilton> Bye.
[22:13] <keithzg> joan: can you check if the bluetooth service is actually running?
[22:17] <keithzg> "sudo service bluetooth status" should get you that. It's probably not the problem, but it's worth checking first to see if it's running at all, I think.
[22:32] <joan> keithzg, sudo service bluetooth status yields this:     status: unknown task: bluetooth
[22:33] <joan> I'm running kubuntu 14.04 kernel 3.13.0-46-generic #77-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 2 18:23:39 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:34] <keithzg> joan: Hmm, odd. If I mistakenly go without sudo, I get "status: Unknown job: bluetooth", on Kubuntu 14.04 too, but "sudo service bluetooth status" yields a more expected "bluetooth start/running, process 614"
[22:34] <keithzg> Obviously the process id would vary, but I would've expected you to get the same otherwise.
[22:34] <keithzg> joan: What about "ps -ef | grep bluetooth"
[22:34] <joan> ok, I was logged in konsole already as root
[22:36] <joan> service --status-all says [+] for bluetooth, and the ps command outputs /usr/sbin/bluetoothd with 1432 PID
[22:36] <joan> keithzg, ^
[22:37] <joan> then it's running
[22:37] <keithzg> joan: Hmmm, that is all as should be, then, yeah.
[22:39] <joan> what's next? :)
[22:40] <keithzg> Good question ;) Hmm, last time I had to fiddle with bluetooth was years ago, so perhaps this is outdated, but I'd try running "hciconfig" and seeing what it says.
[22:41] <keithzg> Specifically, 'hcitool dev' to see if any devices are actually known.
[22:42] <joan> ok
[22:42] <keithzg> (I seem to remember that was supposed to be all deprecated? But it still seems to exist on my 14.04 desktop here, and in fact outright works on my 15.04 laptop, so methinks either my memory is incorrect or it's just taking a loooong time to actually be deprecated ;) )
[22:43] <keithzg> For my laptop for instance I see "hci0    84:4B:F5:A9:CC:48" as the output of "hcitool dev".
[22:45] <joan> output from hcitool dev:  Devices:
[22:45] <joan> nothing
[22:46] <joan> output from hciconfig -a : hci0:   Type: BR/EDR  Bus: USB        BD Address: 00:00:00:00:00:00  ACL MTU: 0:0  SCO MTU: 0:0     DOWN
[22:46] <joan> and no data about RX TX either
[22:47] <joan> keithzg, output form lsusb: Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[22:55] <keithzg> joan: Hmm. So something's definitely going wrong. I see in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsBluetoothUsbAdapters there's the suggestion for seemingly the same device to try adding "blacklist hci_usb" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, and adding "hci_usb reset=1" to /etc/modules
[22:55] <keithzg> Sounds reasonable-ish but I won't claim any deep knowledge!
[22:56] <joan> ok, I'll try, thank you for the help
[22:56] <keithzg> no problem, best of luck
[22:58] <joan> the point is that it did work, but perhaps a new kernel update has misconfigured something...
[23:18] <joan> keithzg, no luck, it seems I'll have to try kubuntu 14.10: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2231998  , because trying a new kernel could end up in a mess...
[23:21] <keithzg> joan: Yeah, actually that's why I had hope that blacklisting kernel modules might work. Sad that it didn't. You *could* however install a new kernel and be relatively safe, though, since you can always just boot back into the older kernel via GRUB if it fails somehow.
[23:22] <joan> yes, then I'll try first adding a new kernel