[00:00] <shauno> I hate when they do that.  if I want it from china, I'll buy it from china.  if I want it quickly, I'll pay more to buy it local
[00:00] <shauno> but when you pay more to buy it local, and they ship it from china, you just feel robbed
[00:00] <ali1234> what is it?
[00:00] <shauno> just a little i2c oled thingie
[00:00] <ali1234> oh those
[00:00] <ali1234> they are neat
[00:01] <shauno> trying to make an mp3 player out of a pi.  the oled looked like a nice choice because it should look 'off' when its blank
[00:02] <shauno> rather than having to worry about when to toggle the backlight on an lcd
[00:03] <ali1234> what are you doing for battery?
[00:03] <shauno> nadda, it's going in the rack with hifi bits
[00:04] <shauno> but players built for that role seemed to be quite pricey
[00:04] <daftykins> hrmm
[00:05] <daftykins> that sounds quite neat now that Logitech completely messed up the Squeezebox range
[00:05] <daftykins> i kinda wanted a second one for the lounge, my amp does some playback but it's not ideal
[00:05] <daftykins> no gapless playback from my file server :(
[00:06] <shauno> so far I'm using https://volumio.org playing off an external hdd, and using https://www.hifiberry.com/product/hifiberry-digi-transformer-version/
[00:07] <shauno> so I can use the DAC on my amp instead of usb audio
[00:07] <shauno> now I want to make it pretty, so it looks like it belongs there :)
[00:09] <shauno> showing mpd's status on an i2c screen doesn't sound like a huge challenge, and hooking up a few buttons to gpios so you don't need to pull out your phone just to shut it off
[00:09] <diddledan> there's something about naked electronics though
[00:09] <diddledan> putting it all in a neat and tidy box just ain't cricket
[00:10] <shauno> marriage kinda beat that out of me
[00:10] <diddledan> lol
[00:10] <daftykins> lol a friend knew this guy...
[00:10] <daftykins> http://news.rice.edu/2015/01/19/rice-student-covers-dorm-room-floor-with-13000-plastic-balls/
[00:10] <shauno> tha's how I ended up with appletvs - they're much easier to get planning permission for
[00:11] <daftykins> ah your amp is non-HDMI?
[00:11] <daftykins> so non-AVR
[00:12] <shauno> right.  a few phonos, a couple of opticals, and a coax-digital
[00:13] <shauno> I'm going for the optical.  coax should be 'better', but I don't think my mp3 collection is going to tax it
[00:13] <shauno> and it'll keep them completely electrically isolated, which is nice.  ground loops be gone.
[00:14] <shauno> especially since filtering is near unheard-of in these little chinese wallwarts
[00:14] <daftykins> :D
[00:15] <daftykins> the 24TB array is now 47% initialised \o/
[00:15] <daftykins> over 6hrs later, so 12+ hours isn't bad
[00:18] <shauno> the other reason for not wanting to use hdmi, is I'm still curious if I can keep retropie using it
[00:19] <shauno> if I can make one box do double-duty, that'd be lovely :)
[00:21] <daftykins> i don't know what that is to know how HDMI is ruled out?
[00:25] <shauno> retropie is just a canned libretro/emulationstation setup.  retropie + wireless gamepad and you're 12 again
[00:25] <shauno> but the instructions for this board say to blacklist the regular broadcom sound driver
[00:25] <daftykins> ah i see
[00:26] <shauno> so what's remaining to find out, is whether this is actually a requirement, or if they're just doing it to force it to become device 0
[00:27] <daftykins> mmm rather than some proper config
[00:27] <shauno> this is where my lack of desktop linux for the last 12+ years comes in.  last time I paid attention to sound on linux, it had got to the point where it didn't matter if you picked alsa or OSS, because esound was going to break it either way
[00:28] <shauno> luckily volumio is just a big frontend to mpd, so it's only really mpd that I need to force to use the wrong device
[00:29] <shauno> I still have no idea what I'm doing, but at least it narrows down the list of things to break :)
[00:30] <shauno> and making sure you're breaking the right thing tends to be half the job
[00:30] <shauno> anyway.  enough babble.  bedtime again, because I have one more postman to stalk tomorrow
[00:31] <daftykins> ah-har! had some success with them today?
[00:31] <daftykins> also postie/postperson! :D
[00:31] <shauno> yes, I caught one this morning!
[00:32] <shauno> they should have both come, but there was some idiocy involved with the one that had been 'out for delivery' since 6am friday
[00:32] <shauno> they couldn't find my house, so they phoned the people that sent the parcel.  and they couldn't help
[00:32] <daftykins> =[
[00:32] <shauno> found this out when I sent them an email inquiring as to whether they'd seen their driver since friday
[00:32] <daftykins> lol, in China no doubt
[00:32] <shauno> worse, dublin
[00:33] <daftykins> i've noticed etailers keep printing my mobile # on labels of late
[00:33] <daftykins> quite rude indeed
[00:33] <shauno> at least china know that ireland exists.  dublin tend to forget we exist
[00:33] <daftykins> d'aww, but you're attached!
[00:33] <daftykins> anyway to bed with you sir, nn! :>
[01:04] <zmoylan-pi> yeah but shauno is outside the pale :-)
[01:08] <daftykins> hmm?
[01:22] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale
[01:24] <daftykins> ah-haaaar
[01:24] <daftykins> i thought it was a universal term
[01:28] <zmoylan-pi> depending on the year it covered various parts of ireland
[01:55] <diddledan> some scary poo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ0I5tl0YLY
[01:57] <daftykins> i think we know enough of your kinks, sir :D
[01:58] <diddledan> -_-
[01:59] <daftykins> sorry :(
[01:59] <daftykins> hmm, 1hr - can't watch that right now
[02:02] <diddledan> near the end - doing live demos in a room full of geek hackers and the hackers start calling the accidentally shown phone numbers excessively
[02:04] <diddledan> hmm, I wonder what my chromecast just did update-wise
[02:04] <daftykins> that's... pretty unprofessional of them
[02:04] <diddledan> tv just rebooted
[02:09] <zmoylan-pi> installing service patches just before the detective told you the murderer was? :-)
[02:09] <diddledan> it's cycling a set of new images
[02:09] <diddledan> I wonder if that was what the update was for
[02:10] <daftykins> the TV or the chromecast?
[02:10] <diddledan> chromecast
[02:10] <diddledan> chromecast reboot == tv reboot :-p
[02:11] <daftykins> it does 0o
[02:11] <daftykins> CEC?
[02:12] <diddledan> nah, simile
[02:12] <daftykins> those things were all the rage for even shorter than netbooks ;D
[02:13] <diddledan> what's replaced them then?
[02:13] <daftykins> you could argue nothing really replaced netbooks
[02:13] <diddledan> no, what replaced the chromecast
[02:14] <daftykins> yeah i'm getting at nothing, basically
[02:14] <daftykins> just seemed like a mass hype then suddenly... silence
[02:14] <daftykins> now there's sticks from everyone! :D
[02:14] <diddledan> android tv is gonna be the next wave
[02:15] <diddledan> the majority of the available cheap tv sticks are just android for phones shoved onto a stick
[02:15] <diddledan> i.e. they suck
[02:15] <diddledan> balls
[02:16] <daftykins> *nod*
[02:16] <daftykins> ok really sleeping this time, ta-ra \o
[02:16] <diddledan> usability on them is a nightmare
[02:16] <diddledan> nn
[02:16] <diddledan> who'm'I gonna moan at now?!
[02:16] <daftykins> sorry :(
[02:16] <diddledan> :-p
[02:17] <daftykins> i was worried i'd genuinely insulted you with my kink quip
[02:17]  * daftykins pats diddledan 
[02:17] <diddledan> you'd be hard pushed to actually offend me
[02:17] <diddledan> I'm as laid back as they come
[02:18] <daftykins> :D
[02:18] <diddledan> I might even take it as a compliment ;-)
[04:32] <diddledan> I wonder what time the chocolate shop opens
[04:33] <diddledan> prolly 6am
[05:13] <zmoylan-pi> for that brisk baker/milkman/postman trade?
[05:14] <mapp> hm
[07:17] <diddledan> eh? my bank just emailed me to let me know that they might email me
[07:18] <diddledan> with no specifics just a "from time to time" announcement
[07:20] <mapp> :D
[07:21] <mapp> bank with a better ank:P
[07:21] <mapp> bank
[07:21] <mapp> I use Citibank
[07:35] <diddledan> my reply: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10573124/
[07:39] <mapp> we get emails every week about scams raud yawn yawn]
[07:39] <mapp> and i always think you gotta be a moron to fall for it
[07:40] <diddledan> and it's sent
[07:40] <diddledan> lets see how they reply
[07:40] <diddledan> I feel like being a d**k today
[07:41] <mapp> yuou should use citibank
[07:41] <mapp> never any problemx
[07:41] <diddledan> speaking of which - reminds me of an old-skool joke: "do you use your dictaphone?" .. "'cos I use my fingers like everyone else"
[07:42] <mapp> lol
[07:42] <mapp> citibank are good man
[07:43] <mapp> i travel a fair bit and never had an issue with them
[07:43] <mapp> whereas HSBC blocked my card when we were in Latvia
[07:43] <diddledan> ouch
[07:43] <mapp> declined at the bar.........im sure ive got enought to covr it
[07:44] <mapp> so paid on citibank
[07:44] <mapp> d
[07:44] <jpds> Usually, I just call them and they unblock it.
[07:45] <mapp> too much hassle
[07:45] <mapp> why should i
[07:45] <jpds> Less hassle than not being able to pay.
[07:45] <jpds> mapp: Well, they ask that you tell them when you go aboard.
[07:45] <mapp> i can always pay
[07:45] <mapp> ive got amex too:D
[07:46] <mapp> yet here
[07:46] <mapp> thy dont take it lol
[07:48] <mapp> i have fortunes on credit:)  my MBNA card limits £15k lol
[07:48] <diddledan> jayz
[07:48] <diddledan> that's a lot of credit
[07:48] <mapp> i only got the card because my dad said noone will give you credit bla bla
[07:49] <mapp> yea diddledan
[07:49] <mapp> Barclays is £10k
[07:49] <mapp> HSBC £5K
[07:49] <mapp> M&S £3K
[07:49] <jpds> mapp: And that's not including your Swiss accounts.
[07:49] <mapp> HSBC £5k
[07:50] <mapp> so as i say im credited up;p
[07:50] <mapp> to the eye balld
[07:50] <diddledan> you could buy a house on all that
[07:50] <mapp> yea
[07:50] <mapp> i have more;p
[07:50] <mapp> got 2x Lloyds amex and mc
[07:50] <mapp> £10k limit
[07:51] <mapp> hsbc £3000 overraft
[07:51] <mapp> n&p £1000 overdraft
[07:51] <mapp> lol
[07:51] <jpds> Nothing like talking about personal finances in a publicly logged IRC channel.
[07:52] <mapp> well it makes no diffrence nto me
[07:52] <mapp> im not in the uk:)
[07:54] <mapp> all i wish is i was with my ex
[07:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:54] <diddledan> m00
[07:55] <MooDoo> someone want me last night?
[07:55] <mapp> morning MooDoo
[07:55] <diddledan> I don't recall :-p
[07:55] <MooDoo> morning mapp :D
[07:55] <MooDoo> diddledan: :p
[07:55] <mapp> i wish id staed with ellie
[07:55] <mapp> so much
[07:56] <mapp> but  cant turn bck tim:(
[07:59] <mapp> SE1->N17->ST1->GIB :D
[07:59] <MooDoo> time to move on dude :p
[07:59] <diddledan> eh?
[07:59] <mapp> yea i know
[07:59] <mapp> diddledan?
[07:59] <mapp> those are postcodes;p
[07:59] <diddledan> PQ4->M57->GY9->GIB
[07:59] <mapp> you aint in gib
[07:59] <mapp> :P
[08:00] <diddledan> I have no idea what they're representing
[08:00] <mapp> SE1 south londn N17 haringey st1 stoke
[08:00] <mapp> and GU24
[08:00] <mapp> near popey
[08:00] <diddledan> and if they're postcodes then I regret to inform that not many folk know their geographic locations by postal code
[08:01] <diddledan> hence my confusion
[08:01] <diddledan> just looked like randomness to me
[08:01] <mapp> i thought everyone knew se1
[08:10] <mapp> next stop kiev
[08:10] <mapp> :D
[08:10] <diddledan> no fair
[08:10] <mapp> why
[08:11] <diddledan> 'cos I have to stay at home
[08:11] <mapp> youre welcome to come
[08:11] <mapp> hows your russian?:P
[08:11] <mapp> mines good lol
[08:11] <diddledan> da
[08:12] <mapp> hah
[08:13] <mapp> mgoing with my friend fromn czech he speaks russian
[08:13] <mapp> mine's a bit poor really
[08:15] <mapp> Ukraine is like russia
[08:15] <mapp> amazing girls]
[08:25] <mapp> once we el my house in uk il never be going back;D
[08:25] <mapp> we sell jeez
[08:26] <mapp> its so nice here 14c is 'cold' to locals
[09:05] <bashrc_> time zone appropriate greetings
[09:16] <diplo> Morning all
[09:39] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[09:40] <diplo> Hows you MooDoo ?
[09:45] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah i'm ok thanks :D
[09:45] <mapp> morn diplo
[09:45] <diplo> Enjoying the new job still ?
[09:45] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah it's fine for the moment
[09:45] <diplo> Fine :) that was a diplomatic response :D
[09:46] <mapp> hm
[09:46] <diplo> Anyone tried the bluetooth speakers on GroupOn I see every few weeks
[09:46] <diplo> Shower ones specifically
[09:47] <MooDoo> diplo: no comment lol
[09:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:52] <mapp> morning
[09:53] <mapp> met one other person here that can speak russian
[09:53] <mapp> :9
[09:54] <diplo> I started to learn Russian last year, really must start again
[09:54] <mapp> i suspect you;re mocking me;p
[09:55] <diplo> Nope, Russian and Spanish :)
[09:55] <mapp> aha
[09:55] <mapp> we have nice girls
[09:55] <diplo> 2 places I want to visit again, I like to be able to speak a bit of the languages before I go
[09:55] <mapp> yea
[09:55] <mapp> i live in gib now (spain)
[09:56] <diplo> I was also looking to date an Estonian girl and she preferred to speak Russian
[09:56] <mapp> and i try to speak a bit of spanih
[09:56] <diplo> Never been there, my dad was there for a while
[09:56] <mapp> but russian is easy for me
[09:57] <shauno> does russian have a whole bunch of different word endings too?
[09:57] <mapp> si
[09:57] <diplo> I was okay speaking it, reading and writing it not so good :)
[09:58] <mapp> i can speak/write it
[09:58] <shauno> that's my biggest problem with slovak so far.  you don't just have to find the right word, but there's 8? variations of each
[09:58] <mapp> i dont here
[09:59] <mapp> but when i go to rusia they undestand me
[10:00] <diplo> I think people appreciate that you actually try
[10:00] <diplo> I found that when I went to Spain a couple of years ago
[10:00] <mapp> my russian is good though;p
[10:01] <mapp> i just struggle somtimes
[10:02] <mapp> most of the time im ok:)
[10:02] <mapp> sometimes have to get google tranlate up
[10:03] <shauno> I still do the 'deer in headlights' thing.  sometimes I know exactly what to say, but it comes out in english anyway.  and then I kick myself afterwards
[10:04] <mapp> my 'mom' was russian
[10:05] <mapp> thats why we know it
[10:13] <diplo> A bit american as well :D
[10:14] <shauno> heh, I imagine that helps
[10:15] <shauno> I'm quite glad my mum was from Oxford.  growing up in scotland & the north-west, she's the only reason my accent isn't a complete loss
[10:16] <diplo> hah, amazed you don't have a northern accent then
[10:16] <diplo> My gran was Scotland, left when she was in her late teens.. now 96 and still as strong as ever :)
[10:16] <shauno> I have a complete mutt of an accent.  10 years in scotland, 10 years in the north-west, 5 in the US, 8 in Ireland
[10:17] <shauno> and parents from oxford & newcastle
[10:17] <diplo> Blimey been about a bit then!
[10:19] <shauno> just makes it fun when people try to guess :)
[10:20] <shauno> (and less fun when people ask 'where in the UK'.   I've taken to deadpanning that with 'yes'.)
[10:21] <diplo> I'd just go with current area :)
[10:22] <shauno> lol, nooooo
[10:22] <shauno> never give Americans the impression you've even heard of Ireland.  you'll spend the next hour listening to how their grandmother is probably related to you
[10:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Organize Your Home Office Day! :D
[10:25] <diplo> shauno, just go with Bath/Bristol then :)
[10:25] <diplo> JamesTait, you're welcome to organise mine!
[10:26] <JamesTait> diplo, you work in a mine?
[10:26] <diplo> :p
[10:39] <directhex> JamesTait: i recently shrunk my pile of paperwork by at least 6 inches!
[10:39] <JamesTait> diplo, crosscut shredder?
[10:39] <JamesTait> directhex, ^^
[10:39] <directhex> just filing what needed filing, recycling the rest
[10:40] <diplo> I do that once a year, fill a few black bags and go down the recycling centre
[10:41] <JamesTait> directhex, ah - yes, I have a couple of binders of paperwork here that I think I can safely put back in the filing cabinet now, slightly lighter.
[10:42] <directhex> diplo: i found some 2013 bank statements in the pile...
[10:42] <directhex> certainly my 2013 camra card
[10:42] <JamesTait> And a laptop that I can probably lay to rest, unless I can cobble together a working power supply out of the bits of all the broken ones
[10:43] <diplo> I've got my payslips since I started working 23 years ago....
[10:43] <diplo> Hoesntly don't know why I haven't chucked them yet, I'm on top of everything else
[10:43] <JamesTait> diplo, you do that too? I thought I must be the only person in the world!
[10:44] <directhex> i culled down to 7 years' retention on paperwork.
[10:45] <JamesTait> directhex, is that a legal cut-off point for tax purposes or something?  I vaguely recall that figure from an e-mail at a former employer.
[10:45] <JamesTait> s/figure/duration
[10:45] <directhex> i think i heard the same, which is why i do it
[10:45] <directhex> that said, i never took copies of electronic payslips, for my records
[10:45] <directhex> so basically all my slips from my last job are MIA
[10:45] <directhex> which is good, my binder is full and thr drawer the binders go in is full too
[10:46] <diplo> 7 years is the figure for certain documents. Invoices etc
[10:47]  * Laney bought a filing box, but that is now getting full
[10:47] <Laney> buying a house generated a lot of pieces of paper
[10:47] <diplo> I've never been self employed, but I had to deal with scanning all that stuff in at my last work place ( Not the work, organising hardware to do about 10 years worth for 80 branches!! )
[10:47] <JamesTait> Laney, I know that feeling so well.
[10:49] <diplo> Only paperwork I have now is mortgage stuff really, all bills are electronic now
[11:06] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:06] <popey> Greetings
[11:07] <popey> !rat
[11:07] <popey> before you do
[11:07]  * bigcalm has his innocent face on today
[11:07] <bigcalm> We have a healthy number of confirmed bookings. I don't need to pimp the event any more
[11:07] <bigcalm> Morning intrbiz
[11:08] <bigcalm> New work station is proving fun to use. But the wired network isn't connecting (using wifi with a workstation feels odd). How might I debug this situation?
[11:10] <bigcalm> eth0 is showing up in ifconfig but it's not getting a DHCP lease. I don't think it's even trying to
[11:11] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: Force it down/up?
[11:11] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, it's not configured static or something silly is it?
[11:12] <popey> bigcalm: dmesg | grep eth0
[11:12] <awilkins> bigcalm, Not on a network where they assign DHCP leases to MAC addresses?
[11:13] <bigcalm> TwistedLucidity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10573927/
[11:13] <awilkins> bigcalm, At my last job, I had to log Windows in once a week because it knew the Secret Magic that told the routers that no, I wasn't an evil person
[11:13] <bigcalm> awilkins: no. My other devices connect just fine without auth
[11:13] <awilkins> bigcalm, Hmmph
[11:14] <awilkins> Ok, how's it configured.. you have NetworkManager?
[11:14] <bigcalm> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10573932/
[11:14] <bigcalm> awilkins: I do, not changed any configuration for it though
[11:14] <awilkins> Hrrmph
[11:14] <popey> replace the cable
[11:14] <awilkins> I suppose the little light is on
[11:15] <popey> bigcalm: actually can you paste the whole "dmesg -T" ?
[11:16] <bigcalm> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10573939/
[11:17] <popey> yeah, replace the cable
[11:17]  * bigcalm scratches his head but goes to look for a spare cable
[11:58] <TwistedLucidity> popey: "eth0: link is not ready" <- that the subtle clue?
[11:59] <popey> ya
[12:47] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning
[12:49] <intrbiz> 'ip link' is handy for showing the media states
[12:50] <bigcalm> Replacing the network cable has made no difference
[12:51] <intrbiz> bigcalm: what is th output of: ip link show eth0
[12:52] <bigcalm> Using Adam's network port worked
[12:52]  * bigcalm goes to look at the patch panel
[12:52] <intrbiz> bigcalm: if you using structured cabling, that could also be at fault
[12:54] <bigcalm> My SIP desk phone can see the network connection okay
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> it's little beady eyes watching everything... :-)
[12:55] <bigcalm> I really am rather confused
[12:55] <bigcalm> Humm
[12:55] <bigcalm> I think it might be the patch cable I made
[12:56] <bigcalm> How annoying
[12:56] <intrbiz> bigcalm: your SIP phone is presumably fast ethernet (100Mb/s), is the switch gig?
[12:56] <bigcalm> The SIP phone being more forgiving is only 100mb while the switch and my workstation are gig
[12:57] <intrbiz> bigcalm: often one bad or broken pair in a cable will work at 100Mb/s but not at 1Gb/s
[12:57] <bigcalm> I really don't want to remake patch leads
[12:57] <intrbiz> bigcalm: gigabit makes use of all 8 wires, 10/100Mb/s only uses 4 wires
[12:57] <bigcalm> I see
[12:57] <intrbiz> bigcalm: cable tester?
[12:57] <bigcalm> intrbiz: the one we have here makes no sense to me
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> who carries a cable tester anymore.
[12:58] <bigcalm> I should bring in my own tester (if I can find it)
[12:58] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: they are useful for debugging issues with structured cabling etc
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> intrbiz: i know but, but how often does that come up? :-)
[12:59] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: for me not very often, for other people more often
[13:01] <shauno> found an odd issue with this 'volumio' distro.  it auto-mounts usb-storage to /mnt/USB
[13:02] <shauno> so using a disk with 3 partitions, they all get mounted to /mnt/USB.  if you add a second device, it gets mounted to /mnt/USB ....
[13:02] <bigcalm> My tests before were with my workstation plugged directly into the wall
[13:02] <bigcalm> Now that I have the wall connection going to the SIP phone and the phone going to the workstation
[13:02] <bigcalm> Workstation no longer gets a wired network connection
[13:03] <bigcalm> Which may be an indication of a faulty phone
[13:03] <intrbiz> bigcalm: or phone configuration
[13:03] <bigcalm> Humm
[13:03] <bigcalm> Hadn't thought of that
[13:03] <bigcalm> I did a factory reset on it when we got them. Will poke the web interface
[13:05]  * bigcalm shakes fist at Cisco
[13:06] <intrbiz> :)
[13:06] <bigcalm> I'm not sure I can see if it's even an option to enable/disable the shared network connection
[13:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: I wonder is port forwarding is disabled on factory resets :D
[13:07] <intrbiz> bigcalm: what cisco is it?
[13:07] <bigcalm> My guess was that the phone acted as a hub
[13:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: read the manual?
[13:07] <bigcalm> intrbiz: Cisco IP Phone 303
[13:07]  * bigcalm unplugs Adam's phone again
[13:09] <bigcalm> Yep
[13:09] <bigcalm> I just plugged Adam's phone into my PC and the network worked again
[13:11] <bigcalm> Definitely something to do with this desk phone
[13:11]  * bigcalm pinches his boss' phone
[13:12] <intrbiz> bigcalm: BTW if your going to use the phone pass through, then presumably you'll only get a 100Mb/s connection for your workstation
[13:13] <bigcalm> intrbiz: yes, this is very true. But the wifi still appears to be a little dodgy in here
[13:17] <intrbiz> sigh, solaris with only vi installed :( I want vim
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> be nice or we'll remove vi and leave you with edlin... :-)
[13:20] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: echo is actually easier to append the lines i need
[13:21] <popey> slowlaris still exists?
[13:23] <intrbiz> popey: apparently :(, it's a PITA when ever I stumble onto one of them
[13:23] <diplo> We have a few customers still running them :/
[13:51] <awilkins> NHS still runs Solaris boxes to host Oracle
[13:51] <awilkins> (At the HSCIC)
[13:52] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Hasn't Orcale been given the boot (mostly)? Seem to recall a big change as part of SPINE2 (might be the wrong project).
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> Switches to some F/OSS NoSQL database or summat
[13:55] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: IIRC moved to riak I think
[14:49] <daftykins> chap in #ubuntu is claiming he's running swap on a $2 USB 3.0 flash drive because it's faster than swap on HDD
[14:50] <shauno> hm.  it might be ?
[14:50] <zmoylan-pi> if it's cached in ooooooodles of ram and he's doing next to nothing he might just delude himself
[14:50] <shauno> (although if he's swapping often enough to matter, he's solving the wrong problem)
[14:55] <popey> daftykins: I don't believe insulting people in #ubuntu is actually being a good person.
[14:55] <daftykins> uh-huh
[14:56] <zmoylan-pi> the proper approved method is to meet them by appointment and hit them with a wet fish? :-)
[14:57] <daftykins> there's only so much crazy helpee i can take :P
[14:57] <popey> take a break.
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> yet you hand around here... :-P
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> *hang
[14:57] <popey> nobody is forcing you
[14:58] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: :D
[14:58] <daftykins> popey: oh get off your high horse
[14:58] <popey> Excuse me?
[15:00] <daftykins> ...
[15:00] <awilkins> What's wrong with swapping to a USB3 drive?
[15:01] <awilkins> Windows has a specific feature for swapping to a USB drive
[15:01] <awilkins> "ReadyBoost"
[15:01] <daftykins> *chuckle*
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> the same windows that calls it's first hard drive c as a and b are reserved for floppy drives?
[15:02] <shauno> if the drive itself is up to snuff, it seems logical.  the transport is faster than his hdd, seek times will be faster, etc
[15:02] <TwistedLucidity> Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
[15:03] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: I think you are right, if USB3 is solving the "problem"...then he has solved the wrong problem.
[15:03] <shauno> the main catch will simply be that thumbdrives tend to use 'bottom of the barrel' flash
[15:03] <TwistedLucidity> Might be worth cleaning the HDD out and giving it a few checks.
[15:04]  * awilkins may actually stick a drive in for ReadyBoosting
[15:04] <TwistedLucidity> I guess things could aso depend on what tasks they have running.
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> and how full the hd is
[15:04] <TwistedLucidity> Is anything battering the HDD to heck; etc
[15:04] <awilkins> Already using the Linux equivalent (bcache) on my laptop
[15:04] <daftykins> swap kills NAND.
[15:04] <awilkins> Maybe use bcache instead
[15:05] <awilkins> Not swap, frequent read caching
[15:05] <daftykins> well, you changed the topic :)
[15:05] <awilkins> Yeah
[15:05] <awilkins> For swap... I'd probably just shove more RAM into the box
[15:06] <awilkins> I tend to regard it as a failure if I consume any of my swap
[15:06] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Assuming there is space.
[15:06] <shauno> I wouldn't say 'any', some things make perfect sense to page out no matter how much ram you have
[15:06] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Well, true
[15:07] <awilkins> shauno, What would you page out if you had enough RAM to accomodate it?
[15:07] <shauno> anything that's in ram but isn't actually being used
[15:07] <TwistedLucidity> As my desktop mobo maxes out at 4GB; being able to bung in a stickl and treat it as ram/ramdisc/swap would be neat
[15:07] <TwistedLucidity> Not that I have USB3 either....
[15:07] <daftykins> a long-term inactive program
[15:07] <shauno> if a process hasn't been touched for hours, it may still make more sense to page it and use the phy for disk caching
[15:08] <shauno> there's always something useful you can do with 'free' ram, otherwise it's wasted
[15:09] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: Which is where you get to read blogs post like "XYZ is soooooo bloated...it ate all my RAMz!" because a bunch of stuff was cached/pre-fetched or whatever
[15:10] <shauno> they can rant all they like, their blog posts don't slow down my machines :)
[15:10] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: That will do if too many JS scripts go nuts!
[15:11] <shauno> I think 'frequent swap' should be the metric, rather than the quantity.  if you're shuffling stuff constantly you're hitting limits.  it should be a dusty shelf.
[15:38] <daftykins> that's a good analogy
[16:59] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31824040
[17:02]  * bashrc_ does not care about the antics of Jeremy Clarkson
[17:12] <daftykins> nor i
[17:16] <zmoylan-pi> depends on what distro he's using
[17:17] <awilkins> He probably uses a small Chinese boy called Kevin to manage his appointments
[18:18] <shauno> lol, ireland's accidentally legalized class A narcotics.  until tomorrow.
[18:18] <diddledan> shauno: \o/
[18:19] <diddledan> how'd that occur?
[18:19] <shauno> seems the previous 1977 act didn't go through the full process
[18:19] <shauno> http://www.thejournal.ie/tds-emergency-laws-drugs-1983239-Mar2015/
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> party like your stash depends on it
[18:21] <shauno> heh, no stash here.  my mind's the only thing I've got going for me, so I'm hanging on to it
[18:22] <shauno> it's just funny.  "whoops".
[18:23] <diddledan> eh? sinn fein wants ex-pats to be able to vote for irish things?
[18:24] <diddledan> s/irish/homeland/
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> how many generations removed expats?
[18:24] <diddledan> well exactly
[18:24] <diddledan> it's a footnote in the article shauno linked: The need for emergency legislation means that Sinn Fein’s private members’ bill, which calls for emigrants to be allowed vote in presidential elections, has been postponed to tomorrow evening between 6.30pm and 9.30pm.
[18:25] <shauno> that actually sounds like one of the more sane things they've put their name to
[18:25] <diddledan> lol
[18:25] <shauno> I'd be allowed to vote in the UK, if I'd registered before I left
[18:25] <diddledan> well the whole "why not blow up britain" thing went well for them
[18:25] <shauno> (you remain registered in your last constituency.  if you never registered, you're a plonker, apparently)
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> it did, it made the uk negotiate after ignoring them blowing up northern ireland for decades :-/
[18:26] <diddledan> it's actually illegal not to register to vote in the uk
[18:27] <shauno> I didn't register because there wasn't anything to vote for in the 2 years between turning 18, and leaving the country
[18:27] <diddledan> get out quick?
[18:27] <diddledan> "I'm legal now, so I'm leaving!"
[18:28] <shauno> kinda.  the age was relevant because <21 meant I could ride me ma's coattails into the states
[18:28] <diddledan> lol
[18:28] <diddledan> cheaky monkey
[19:22] <davmor2> popey: talking of nethacks there is a qtnethacks you know you want to port it to the phone you know you do ;)
[19:23]  * popey adds to the list of a million things
[19:24] <davmor2> popey: pffff if it isn't a million things that need doing today I'm not interested ;)
[19:25] <popey> :)
[19:29] <foobarry> i thought android was supposed to only restore to the same device
[19:29] <popey> que?
[19:29] <foobarry> powered on my new hudl and my other tablet apps got restored onto it
[19:29] <foobarry> have you rooted yours popey ?
[19:30] <popey> nope
[19:30] <davmor2> foobarry: nope restores all apps it's an option somewhere
[19:31] <foobarry> davmor2, i was reading earlier today that it does it based on IMEI
[19:31] <foobarry> or other uniq id
[19:32] <popey> you rooted yours?
[19:32] <foobarry> there isn't a root package for my build (201501*)
[19:33] <davmor2> foobarry: I'm quite happy with mine just working so I'm not bothering to root it or flash it
[19:39] <foobarry> so many branded apps makes me feel like i'm using an OEM windows build
[19:40] <foobarry> rooting makes it so....clean
[19:51] <foobarry> oh there is a root method for my build,
[19:51] <diddledan> sudo?
[19:52] <diddledan> :-p
[19:52] <foobarry> just lots of bricked devices..unsure if numpties or other
[19:52] <diddledan> pretend you're a numpty and blindly go ahead
[19:53] <davmor2> foobarry: you can swicth off the tesco stuff and install the google now page that is my setup
[19:53] <diddledan> on your marks, google.... NOW!
[19:53] <foobarry> might spend myvouchers first :P
[19:53] <diddledan> vouchers ftw!
[19:54] <diddledan> I wonder if there's a world record of googling who googled google the fastest?
[19:54] <foobarry> lollipop has some hateful changes
[19:56] <foobarry> updated my phone today and some are annoying
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> updates these days seem more risky than ever.
[19:58] <foobarry> thats another reason for rootage
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> updated mxplayer on my 7" tablet and found it wouldn't play audio on half my media files till i found out why
[20:00] <foobarry> oh app updates,yeah
[20:00] <foobarry> why was the mxplayer faily?#
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> ms pushed out an update to my dumbphone which turned on data 24x7 till i noticed and deleted it
[20:01] <zmoylan-pi> they had a licence issue with dolby so had to remove it.  however they have an extension playform for the player so you could 'find' a file and copy it to their extension library and hey presto sound again
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> but happened at a time when my insomnia had me on 8 hours sleep over 3 days so took me a while to find and install
[20:02] <foobarry> "Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson has been suspended by the BBC "following a fracas" with a producer"
[20:02] <foobarry> heh
[20:03] <foobarry> i just discovered Peep Show
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> was the fracas on film? would be most watched top gear ever
[20:03] <foobarry> never seen it before. watched it over lunch and had to hold my mouth to stop laughing in the office
[20:22] <shauno> lol, Turkey are banning Minecraft because it's too violent for children
[20:22] <shauno> I cannot facepalm hard enough
[20:22] <diddledan> eh?
[20:22] <diddledan> punching trees?
[20:25] <shauno> http://kotaku.com/calls-to-ban-minecraft-in-turkey-1690487386
[20:26] <zmoylan-pi> well they wanted to ban twitter too didn't they?
[20:26] <shauno> but they haven't banned call of duty, grand theft auto, battlefield, etc
[20:34] <foobarry> i tried the £3 of free paypal credit in google play. did not work. had to get a refund
[21:24] <mapp> wonder how that happened my pi was set t use almost all memory for the gpu
[21:24] <mapp> which was why it was so slow installing anything
[21:36] <Azelphur> So here's a fun question I've never actually looked into before, if you want to revoke SSH access to a server, what's the procedure?
[21:36] <Azelphur> I know change the password obviously, but I'm not sure what to do key wise
[21:37] <shauno> the host key shouldn't need to be changed, just make sure the user's authorized_keys is gone?
[21:38] <Azelphur> ah I see, so that'd be .ssh/authorized_keys, there's only one entry in there and it's me, so it's safe to say the person hasn't taken the keys and I just change the password and I'm good?
[21:39] <shauno> you've been sharing an account?
[21:40] <Azelphur> shauno: yea, it's a server so they have access to the relevant account for that
[21:41] <shauno> but no sudo access etc?
[21:41] <Azelphur> yea no sudo access
[21:41] <Azelphur> it's not a crazy situation where they are gonna break back in, I just wanna know the procedure really :)
[21:42] <shauno> usually they'd have their own account, so when you blow away their $HOME, their keys go with it
[21:42] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:44] <shauno> but unless they have your private key, it's safe to assume they've been logging in with a password, so that's all you've got to tidy up
[21:44] <Azelphur> yea
[21:50] <intrbiz> Azelphur: clean out ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and if you wish you can also deny the user in the sshd config
[21:50] <Azelphur> yea :)
[21:51] <intrbiz> Azelphur: and or remove the user acount as required
[22:26] <popey> !rat
[22:27] <dutchie> \o/ rat
[22:27] <Azelphur> hmm, Council is apparently reviewing my Council Tax band...
[22:27] <Azelphur> not sure if good or bad thing...
[22:31] <Azelphur> Also question, does anyone know whether it's cheaper to buy a ticket to London, then use my Oyster card in London, vs booking a ticket for the full journey online?
[23:26] <shauno> hm.  awkward.  I've lost a microsd card
[23:26] <diddledan> oh thanks for reminding me I've got old, buffy the vampire slayer premiered 18 years ago today
[23:26] <diddledan> shauno: it's stuck in a thingy somewhere
[23:27] <shauno> probably
[23:27] <shauno> I've even checked where they normally go - the roomba's rearend
[23:27] <diddledan> lol
[23:27] <diddledan> is it legal to inspect a roomba's behind?
[23:28] <shauno> more than legal, it's mandatory
[23:28] <diddledan> oh myyy
[23:28] <shauno> if neglected, it gets all stuffed up and starts leaving dustball 'droppings' everywhere
[23:28] <diddledan> do you have to creep up on it so as not to frighten it off?
[23:28] <shauno> nah, you just need to know how to push its buttons
[23:28] <diddledan> pervert!
[23:29] <shauno> although I cheat, I got a remote for it
[23:29] <diddledan> you mean it's at your beck and call?
[23:30] <shauno> the remote is highly recommended.  you can take control and drive it around like a little toy :)
[23:30] <diddledan> isn't that classed as M&Ms?
[23:30] <diddledan> or maybe skittles?