[04:40] <barrydk> More almal
[04:54] <Kilos> hi barrydk  inetpro  and others
[05:09] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[05:09] <Tonberry_> hi
[05:14] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:14] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[05:15] <mazal> How goes ?
[05:15] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[05:15] <mazal> okerig
[05:58] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:58] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  
[05:58] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[05:58] <nuvolari> lo mazal, Tonberry_, barrydk 
[05:59] <mazal> Morning nuvolari
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:16] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell ThatGraemeGuy Hut near travel hub done" 14 hours, 14 minutes and 52 seconds ago
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[06:16] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:16] <Kilos> you might need to make it look better
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe
[06:25] <Kilos> haha
[06:25] <Kilos> You do not need to be an expert to provide support, just know a little bit more than the people asking the question.
[06:25] <Kilos> http://www.techtalklive.org/ttlblog/Pages/Five-Ways-to-Get-Involved-with-Ubuntu-as-an-Educator.aspx
[06:32] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:33] <Padroni> Hey 
[06:33] <Padroni> how are you
[06:33] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[06:33] <Kilos> you been quiet lately
[06:34] <Kilos> you also watch too many movies
[06:41] <Padroni> ha
[06:41] <Padroni> I wish
[06:41] <Padroni> been busy 
[06:41] <Padroni> double shift today so you will see more of me I think
[06:41] <Padroni> how's the site coming?
[06:42] <Kilos> im joking about the hey greeting
[06:42] <Kilos> we are waiting for the fly to find time to make it work
[06:43] <Padroni> what is not working?
[06:43] <Kilos> he just needs to review what we have done and put it on his server
[06:44] <Kilos> he is very busy atm
[06:47] <Padroni> ok
[06:48] <Kilos> the debconf thing is using lots of his time
[06:48] <Kilos> are you going to it
[06:48] <Padroni> not sure yet
[06:48] <Padroni> to be honest
[06:48] <Padroni> I will see closer to the time
[06:48] <Kilos> its still far away
[07:07] <Padroni> very quiet
[07:07] <Padroni> on all channels
[07:07] <Kilos> lekker i even closed one
[07:07] <Kilos> #ubuntu-irc
[07:08] <Padroni> eh?
[07:08] <Padroni> you closed a channel?
[07:08] <Kilos> ya all the pling pling messes me up when im trying to do something
[07:09] <Kilos> i only have 4 open now
[07:09] <Kilos> #ubuntu-locoteams wakes up later
[07:09] <Padroni> I am in 
[07:09] <Padroni> linux.mu
[07:10] <Padroni> ubuntu-africa
[07:10] <Padroni> ubuntu-marketing
[07:10] <Padroni> ubuntu-mu
[07:10] <Padroni> and Kali
[07:10] <Kilos> where is mu
[07:10] <Padroni> no one is talking in any of them except here
[07:10] <Padroni> mu = mauritius
[07:10] <Kilos> oh that guy doesnt say much
[07:11] <Kilos> i think he is almost a one man band there
[07:11] <Kilos> cyrilb hey?
[07:11] <Kilos> he also goes to other countries to work
[07:12] <mazal> maaz burger please
[07:12] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[07:13] <mazal> maaz food dude , food
[07:13] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[07:13] <Kilos> lol
[07:13] <mazal> maaz don't huh me , make a plan
[07:13] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[07:13] <Kilos> he only has rusks
[07:13] <mazal> ai
[07:14] <Kilos> Maaz  whats for lunch
[07:14] <Maaz> Goats cheese on crackers and a bowl of salad for you fat people
[07:14] <inetpro> good evening
[07:14] <Kilos> hi inetpro  you poor lost soul
[07:14] <mazal> hi inetpro
[07:15] <Kilos> mazal  you must go see the link i gave above
[07:15] <mazal> which one of the many ?
[07:15] <Kilos> you can help them with documentation
[07:15] <Kilos> http://www.techtalklive.org/ttlblog/Pages/Five-Ways-to-Get-Involved-with-Ubuntu-as-an-Educator.aspx
[07:16] <Kilos> you can give them your version of doing the gpg thing
[07:16] <Kilos> oh no it wasnt you it was mopkop
[07:17] <mazal> My version : sukkel jou g@t af tot jy regkom
[07:17] <Kilos> nee man mopkop het dit mooi neer gesit
[07:17] <mazal> Waar ?
[07:17] <Kilos> in trello ek dink
[07:18] <mazal> Should be on our ZA website me thinks
[07:18] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/rcecy
[07:18] <Padroni> hi mazal
[07:18] <mazal> Hi Padroni
[07:18] <Kilos> i think he has added it
[07:19] <Kilos> the pro will know
[07:19] <mazal> That defnitely needs to be somewhere easy accesible
[07:20] <Kilos> im sure they were going to put it on our site
[07:20] <inetpro> who is they?
[07:20] <Kilos> you and mopkop inetpro  
[07:20] <inetpro> you go put it on the wiki man
[07:21] <inetpro> stop cramming everything on the one website
[07:21] <Kilos> ai!
[07:21] <inetpro> :-)
[07:21] <Kilos> im the delegate here
[07:21] <mazal> Just a link on the website to it somewhere would be good
[07:21] <Kilos> you go put it on the wiki thing
[07:21]  * Kilos hides
[07:22] <inetpro> Kilos: did you see the new members page?
[07:22] <Kilos> i looked yes
[07:23] <Kilos> also got all the mails about it
[07:23] <Kilos> still trying to see what you did hehe
[07:23] <Kilos> it looks good to me
[07:23] <mazal> One column was removed is what I saw
[07:23] <inetpro> and you don't like the new look?
[07:23] <Kilos> oh
[07:23] <mazal> There were 1 too many "comments" columns
[07:23] <Kilos> i like man
[07:24] <inetpro> ai!
[07:24] <mazal> And I saw barry still not on launchpad
[07:24] <inetpro> nobody used that column, so I just cut it out
[07:24] <Kilos> rev him
[07:24] <Kilos> cool
[07:24] <mazal> Kilos: You try and convince him lets see :P
[07:24] <inetpro> Kilos: and I sorted it
[07:25] <Kilos> ty for your hard work inetpro  
[07:25] <inetpro> no that was not work.. work is what I need to do now
[07:25] <Kilos> im still waiting for your mail to the lists to get peeps to add themselves
[07:26] <Kilos> do some work too
[07:26] <Kilos> to me all that wiki stuff is hard work
[07:29] <Kilos> to be able to see changes i would have to see the old and the new pages next to each other
[07:29] <Kilos> the new one looks good so why worry about what it used to look like
[07:30] <Kilos> barrydk  get a launchpad id man
[07:33] <inetpro> Kilos: and Padroni, does he have an ID even?
[07:33] <Kilos> aha
[07:33] <Padroni> Have what ID?
[07:33] <Kilos> Padroni  ^^
[07:33] <inetpro> oops, hi Padroni
[07:33] <inetpro> :-)
[07:33] <Padroni> Hi
[07:33] <Kilos> oh no man he wants to be incognito
[07:33] <Padroni> launchpad ID?
[07:34] <Padroni> https://launchpad.net/~localhosthero
[07:34] <Padroni> There
[07:34] <Padroni> See it?
[07:34] <Padroni> SEE IT?!?
[07:34] <Kilos> lol
[07:34]  * Padroni fires off a few rounds into the air and kills a Windows 8 user by mistake...
[07:34] <inetpro> aha you see, even incognitos have ID documents
[07:34] <Kilos> lol
[07:35] <Padroni> damn
[07:35] <Kilos> Padroni  do you make static sites too?
[07:35] <Padroni> yesterday was my 1month launchad / ubuntu-za birthday
[07:35] <Padroni> I make all kinds of websites
[07:35] <Kilos> yay
[07:36] <Kilos> maybe someone should make a linux-africa site one day
[07:36] <Padroni> what - and have these people bicker about my code
[07:36] <Padroni> ?
[07:36] <Padroni> not sure I am up for that
[07:36] <Kilos> what peeps?
[07:36] <Padroni> oh there's always someone
[07:38] <Padroni> is there a linux africa domain?
[07:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:38] <Kilos> i dont know
[07:39] <Kilos> but when i made the ubuntu-africa channel one of the nairobilug guys said it should be linux-africa
[07:39] <Kilos> so looks like the lugs are also stuck in their own little communities
[07:43] <Padroni> I guess we can do it?
[07:43] <Kilos> no rush. only when you are bored
[07:47] <Padroni> does the domain have to be a .org or something?
[07:47] <Padroni> or can we do it a .com
[07:47] <Padroni> and who will contribute content/
[07:47] <Padroni> ?
[07:47] <Kilos> anything i suppose
[07:47] <Padroni> If we can maybe start blueprinting the scope of the stie
[07:47] <Padroni> *site
[07:47] <Padroni> like what we need on it
[07:48] <Padroni> apart from the info part of the site
[07:48] <Kilos> something similar to our za site
[07:48] <Padroni> that would help
[07:48] <Padroni> but this would be for linux, not just ubuntu
[07:48] <Padroni> so we may need to set up specific sections for each distro
[07:48] <Padroni> etc
[07:48] <Kilos> yes so they all have a home site
[07:48] <Padroni> we need a plan, in other words.
[07:49] <Kilos> well 
[07:49] <inetpro> yep without a plan you go nowhere
[07:49] <Kilos> the pro is good at making plans
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> what if my plan is to go nowhere?
[07:50] <Padroni> That is also a good plan, sometimes.
[07:50] <Kilos> lol then you just rest
[07:54] <inetpro> ai!
[07:55] <Kilos> some lug peeps havent got the patience to help noobs, maybe giving them all a home site will encourage them to be more understanding
[07:56] <Kilos> like here i help noobs , sometimes the wrong way then someone jumps in and gives the right advice
[07:58] <inetpro> Kilos: what difference will a home page make?
[07:58] <Kilos> you tell me
[07:59] <Padroni> How to start a fight on the internet: Express an opinion.
[07:59] <Padroni> And wait...
[08:04] <Kilos> lol
[08:08] <Padroni> Apple smartwatch launched 24 April
[08:10] <Padroni> which reminds me of something I saw on the internet some time back...
[08:10] <Padroni> http://oatmeal.tumblr.com/post/97076381806/hey-bro-you-got-the-time-yeah-its-hang
[08:10] <Kilos> ai!
[08:11] <Padroni> funny though
[08:11] <Kilos> i didnt watch, i dont do videos
[08:11] <Padroni> it's nto a video
[08:12] <Kilos> oh
[08:12] <Padroni> it's a gif
[08:12] <Padroni> so check it out
[08:13] <Kilos> more ai!
[08:13] <Kilos> language sucks and using Gods name sucks worse
[08:14] <Kilos> one should be able to express oneself without reverting to bad language
[08:14] <Kilos> imo anyway
[08:18] <Padroni> I agree
[08:18] <Padroni> the funny part is the image 
[08:18] <Kilos> maybe my dad was too strict on me
[08:18] <Padroni> maybe your dad was not too strict
[08:18] <Kilos> oh the watch thing
[08:18] <Padroni> again - I agree 
[08:18] <Padroni> that beach ball thingy is Mac's version of the hourglass
[08:18] <Padroni> ie, it's hanging
[08:18] <Kilos> aha
[08:20] <Kilos> inetpro  will having a home page not encourage peeps to be more community minded
[08:21] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[08:22] <Kilos> ai! are you only at the why stage now
[08:22] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:22] <inetpro> lol
[08:22] <Kilos> well
[08:23] <Kilos> being part of something should be enough
[08:23] <Kilos> like why apply for ubuntu membership
[08:23] <Padroni> I would like membership
[08:23] <Padroni> but honestly - I am not sure I will get it
[08:24] <Padroni> can't think of any worthwhile contribution I can make that will earn me that
[08:24] <Kilos> just help everyone wherever you can and it comes
[08:25] <Padroni> what happend to jacques-stry?
[08:25] <Kilos> busy i think
[08:26] <Kilos> thats the accepted answer nowadays
[08:28] <Padroni> i need to still claim my phone from the insurance
[08:28] <Padroni> dropped it
[08:28] <Padroni> screen busted
[08:28] <Padroni> new screen = R1300
[08:28]  * Padroni sighs
[08:28] <Kilos> ai!
[08:29]  * inetpro keeps running into people who seem to think they just need a website
[08:29] <inetpro> then when they have a website they seem to think it will update itself
[08:29] <Padroni> or worse:
[08:29] <Padroni> they want to update it themselves
[08:29] <Padroni> thinking you  merely push a button and pull a lever and voila!
[08:29] <inetpro> magic!
[08:30] <Kilos> lol
[08:30] <Kilos> i like buttons
[08:30]  * Padroni points to inetpro 's pvt chat
[08:31] <Kilos> hmm... skelm
[08:47] <inetpro> ai!
[08:47] <Kilos> lol
[09:03] <Kilos> oh ya ill be offline tomorrow while tswane electric peeps work in the area
[09:05]  * Padroni makes a note of Tswane
[09:05]  * Padroni is one step closer to Kilos now...
[09:05] <Padroni> lol
[09:06] <Kilos> one step closer how?
[09:06] <Padroni> TRACKING YOU DOWN
[09:06] <Padroni> lol
[09:06] <Kilos> oh hahaha
[09:07] <Kilos> west of ptown
[09:08] <Padroni> hi Neo31
[09:09] <Padroni> hi R0ok_
[09:32] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[09:32] <TinuvaMac> hi Kilos
[09:40] <Kilos> Padroni  methinks something short sweet and basic, because i think linux peeps dont need lots of frills hey?
[09:41] <Kilos> the frills are to catch peeps that like eye candy
[09:42] <Padroni> you are probably right
[09:42] <Padroni> can't have it look like it was made in Frontpage though
[09:42] <Padroni> or worse
[09:42] <Padroni> Publisher...
[09:42] <Kilos> im always right
[09:42] <Kilos> except when im wrong
[09:42] <Kilos> i dont know those things
[09:54] <Kilos> the serious guys will be happy with a terminal in the sky
[09:57] <Padroni> haha
[09:57] <Padroni> indeed
[09:57] <Padroni> so what now
[09:57] <Padroni> must I get a domain for linux-africa?
[09:57] <Padroni> or not
[09:57] <Padroni> and who is gonna work on it?
[10:03] <Kilos> if you gotta pay for a domain, just leave it them
[10:13] <Kilos> was just a loose idea
[10:22] <mazal> maaz
[10:22] <mazal> maaz where is my burger ?
[10:22] <Maaz> mazal: Erk, dunno
[10:23] <mazal> maaz do you at least have a coke for me ?
[10:23] <Maaz> mazal: One learns a new thing every day
[10:24] <Kilos> Maaz  do
[10:24] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[10:24] <mazal> maaz don't be sorry be careful
[10:24] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[10:24] <Kilos> Maaz  forget do you at least have a coke for me ?
[10:24] <Maaz> Kilos: I didn't know about do you at least have a coke for me anyway
[10:24] <Kilos> lol
[10:25] <mazal> Ok then 
[10:27]  * mazal needs a pa
[10:28] <mazal> Fetch burger , make coffee , all other skills are only optional
[10:28] <Kilos> lol
[10:43] <Padroni> Kilos: 
[10:43] <Padroni> linux-africa.co.za /com/biz/org/net/info is available
[10:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:44] <Kilos> price?
[10:44] <Padroni> R66 - R134
[10:44] <Kilos> eeek
[10:44] <Kilos> leave it man
[10:44] <Padroni> cheap
[10:47] <Kilos> ya if it is going to work for you then its ok i spose
[10:48] <Kilos> but linux-africa wont work for you , 
[10:48] <Kilos> right or wrong
[10:48] <Padroni> why?
[10:49] <Kilos> ai! another why guy
[10:49] <Kilos> why what?
[10:49] <Padroni> why do you say it won't work for me
[10:49] <Kilos> i mean it wont attract peeps to your market or whatever peeps do with sites
[10:50] <Kilos> arent sites for marketing something you get an income from?
[10:51] <Padroni> well
[10:51] <Padroni> if it is not making you money
[10:51] <Padroni> it is costing you money
[10:51] <Padroni> but there is such a thing as a labour of love
[10:51] <Kilos> ya that
[10:51] <Kilos> we have the ubuntu site for love
[10:51] <Padroni> so this will be a linux one?
[10:52] <Padroni> why am I here trying to convince you? it was YOUR idea...?
[10:52]  * Padroni is confused
[10:52] <Kilos> im just looking at costs
[10:53] <Kilos> that money can buy sweets for the kids
[10:53] <Kilos> or actually fruit is better
[10:56] <Kilos> right or wrong?
[10:56] <Padroni> it's - at worse - R134
[10:56] <Padroni> something I can live with
[10:56] <Kilos> what does grumpy say about it
[10:56] <Kilos> eish
[10:57] <Padroni> grumpy?
[10:57] <Kilos> inetpro  
[10:57] <Kilos> oosie strydom
[10:57] <Kilos> goosie
[10:57] <Padroni> do we need their permission?
[10:57] <Kilos> no
[10:57]  * Padroni is asking because he doesn't know
[10:58] <Kilos> but he normally has sound advice
[10:58] <Padroni> so ask him?
[10:58] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^
[10:58] <Kilos> he might take a while to answer, he has been ignoring me of late
[10:59]  * inetpro feeling a disturbance in the force
[10:59] <inetpro> Kilos: sup?
[11:00] <Kilos> lol
[11:00] <Kilos> read man
[11:00] <inetpro> ai!
[11:01] <Kilos> we dont need your permission but value your advice
[11:01]  * inetpro will read in a few minutes
[11:01] <Kilos> ty
[11:32] <Mopkop> Good morning all!
[11:36] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  
[11:36] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn   too
[11:36] <nlsthzn> o/
[11:36] <Mopkop> Hi nlsthzn!
[11:37] <nlsthzn> how is everyone today?
[11:38] <Mopkop> Tired...
[11:38] <Mopkop> :-(
[11:38] <Kilos> lol
[11:38] <Mopkop> And you?
[11:38] <Kilos> im ok ty was actually thinking of having a nap
[11:39] <nlsthzn> I am now officially beyond tired so should be ok until tonight
[11:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:42] <Padroni> hi Mopkop
[11:42] <nlsthzn> baby timings don't correlate with the worlds timing it seems
[12:15] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez  
[12:15] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[12:18] <arnaudmez> having issues with vlc package
[12:18] <arnaudmez> arrrrrghhh
[12:18] <Kilos> ai!
[12:19] <arnaudmez> think i will move to another player for interim
[12:20] <Kilos> lol
[12:21] <arnaudmez> recommand me a player please !
[12:22] <Kilos> what os you using?
[12:24] <Kilos> there must be a default media player in it
[12:24] <arnaudmez> Fedora
[12:26] <Kilos> http://tecadmin.net/top-media-players-for-linux/
[12:26] <Kilos> vlc is most likely top of the list
[12:27] <confluency> What kinds of issues?
[12:27] <confluency> I use mplayer.
[12:32] <arnaudmez> okay will try that one
[12:32] <arnaudmez> Kilos: https://system76.com/laptops/bonobo
[12:32] <arnaudmez> this guys are good
[12:35] <Kilos> whew
[12:43]  * Symmetria dies laughing
[12:43] <Symmetria> some guy is trying to sue every ISP in Kenya
[12:43] <Symmetria> for violating the human rights of artists 
[12:43] <Symmetria> by allowing piracy
[12:44] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: sure ?
[12:44] <Symmetria> hahaha he is funny
[12:44] <Symmetria> and about to be very very bankcrupt
[12:45] <Padroni> well this is silly
[12:45] <Padroni> you get 8Gb ram
[12:45] <Padroni> an extra 8 costs you almost R1500
[12:45] <Kilos> wow
[12:45] <Padroni> it's like they're smoking their socks or something
[12:45] <Kilos> for what is that Padroni  ?
[12:47] <Padroni> that link to bonobo you gave
[12:47] <Padroni> building a laptop now
[12:47] <Kilos> ah
[12:47] <Padroni> 23" screen: $398
[12:47] <Padroni> where the hell do they get their prices from?
[12:48] <Symmetria> sounds like kenyan prices
[12:48] <Symmetria> ;p
[12:49] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:50] <Padroni> I am happy with my Roccat
[14:28] <Kilos> hmm... the pro has long minutes hey Padroni  
[15:01] <Padroni> haha 
[15:01] <Padroni> nogal
[15:02] <Kilos> hehe betcha old grumpy forgot
[15:30] <Kilos> how much of your shift is past Padroni  ?
[15:33] <Padroni> 9.5 hours
[15:33] <Padroni> still another 8.5 to go
[15:34] <Kilos> eish so min
[15:36] <nlsthzn> that is a long shift
[15:37] <Kilos> yeah too long
[15:37] <Kilos> no wonder his brains are scrambled
[15:45] <Padroni> lolwut?
[15:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> wb Mopkop  
[16:14] <Mopkop> Hello, Thank you!
[16:29] <Squirm> hello
[16:31] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[16:31] <Squirm> how're things Kilos?
[16:32] <Kilos> oh ty and you ?
[16:32] <Squirm> Good :
[16:32] <Squirm> :)
[16:32] <Kilos> :D
[16:33] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:33] <Kilos> s/oh/ok
[16:42] <lin> hey guys
[16:42] <lin> Who has ever built Firefox OS from source?
[16:42] <Kilos> hi lin  
[16:43] <lin> Hi kilos
[16:45] <Squirm> Hey lin
[16:47] <Kilos> hey Squirm  youre a meber of ubuntu-za wont you go fill in your info for us please
[16:47] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[16:51] <lin> Hey Squirm 
[16:51] <Squirm> Kilos: how do i edit?
[16:52] <Kilos> oh my you choose some funny thing then edit opens
[16:52] <Squirm> ...
[16:52] <Kilos> lemme look at our site i think the pro put it there
[16:52] <Squirm> and when I login, it directs me to wiki.ubuntu.com
[16:53] <Squirm> then when I go to the link you pasted, I'm logged out
[16:54] <Kilos> ooo ya i battled with that in the beginning too, just open our link on another tab once you logged in
[16:54] <Kilos> tell it to remember you when you login
[16:56] <Kilos> tell me what buttons you see ill remember which one to click
[16:56] <Mopkop> Squirm: try <CTRL>F5
[16:56] <Kilos> ah ty Mopkop  i go eat
[16:56] <Mopkop> It deletes the cache. Kilos: Geniet dit!
[16:57] <Kilos> what cache
[17:00] <Mopkop> The reason it doesn't show he is loged in, is because the page in which he is not logged in, is still cached in his browser. <CTRL> F5 tells the browser to delete that version and get a new page from the server.
[17:03] <Squirm> Kilos: sorted
[17:03] <Squirm> No crtl anything
[17:03] <Squirm> One I was logged in, properly, edit appears in the top left
[17:04] <Kilos> aha ty Mopkop  Squirm  
[17:04] <Padroni> @ Lin : https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites
[17:04] <Padroni> FYI
[17:17] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[17:17] <Kilos> wb
[17:18] <kulelu88> Hello oom and folks
[17:18] <Kilos> you been ducking hey
[17:18] <Kilos> bang we gave you work
[17:19] <kulelu88> :D
[17:19] <kulelu88> ive been busy oom
[17:20] <Kilos> you can do this now as punishment https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[17:20] <kulelu88> I need to register this nickname
[17:20] <Kilos> but we forgive you for forsaking us in our hour of need
[17:21] <kulelu88> oom I've become like everyone else in GP. too busy to do any OSS work but enough free time for entertainment :D
[17:21] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:21] <kulelu88> chow time
[17:22] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:22] <Kilos> wb Tonberry_  
[17:23] <Kilos> do you want to fill in your info for us please
[17:23] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[17:35] <magespawn> good evening
[17:36] <Kilos> hi my magespawn  
[17:37] <Squirm> So, I'm looking for something like CPanel, except free, anyone know of anything?
[17:37] <Mopkop> Hello magespawn!
[17:37] <Squirm> Or something to easily manage domains/email accounts
[17:37] <magespawn> hi Mopkop Kilos Squirm 
[17:37] <Squirm> hey magespawn
[17:38] <magespawn> i thought cPanel was free
[17:38] <Squirm> http://cpanel.net/plans-pricing/
[17:39] <Padroni> cpanel is very expensive
[17:39] <Kilos> https://helgesverre.com/blog/top-5-free-alternatives-to-cpanel/
[17:39] <Padroni> lol
[17:39] <Padroni> was looking at the same page now
[17:39] <Padroni> but Squirm
[17:39] <Padroni> to be honest
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:40] <Padroni> I prefer WHMCS & cPanel
[17:40] <Squirm> Kilos: I've been through that list
[17:40] <Padroni> is it for a server, or for a single hosting package?
[17:40] <Mopkop> http://www.openpanel.com/ ?
[17:40] <Kilos> oh my
[17:40] <Squirm> Mopkop: tried installing it now
[17:40] <Squirm> outdaye
[17:40] <Squirm> outdated
[17:41] <Squirm> So, maybe not supported anymore
[17:41] <Squirm> Project Status. Debian 7, Ubuntu 12.04.
[17:41] <Squirm> August 22nd, 2013
[17:41] <Squirm> New versions of our packages have recently been released. 
[17:41] <Squirm> :/
[17:42] <Kilos> ai!
[17:42] <Mopkop> Aai...
[17:44] <Mopkop> http://www.virtualmin.com/ ?
[17:45] <captine> evening all
[17:45] <Mopkop> Hello captine!
[17:46] <captine> hey there Mopkop.  Don't think I have met you before.  You been in the channel long?
[17:47] <Mopkop> captine: No, for a bit more than a week now :) Pleased to meet you!
[17:47] <Squirm> Will have a look at that Mopkop
[17:47] <Kilos> hi captine  
[17:47] <Squirm> It looked very system adminny
[17:47] <captine> cool Mopkop .  I've been out sleeping... daughter just arrived in the world so time is short
[17:48] <captine> hi Kilos 
[17:48] <Padroni> hi captine
[17:48] <captine> hi Padroni 
[17:48] <Mopkop> Congratulations captine! 
[17:49] <Kilos> funny how peeps blame new borns for slacking off
[17:49] <Mopkop> Squirm: You want a more user friendly one then?
[17:49] <Mopkop> https://github.com/mustafaramadhan/kloxo/tree/dev ?
[17:51] <Padroni> Congrats, captine
[17:51] <Padroni> my son was born 4 months ago
[17:51] <Padroni> best thing ever
[17:52] <captine> Padroni, yip.  my son is 14 months... and daughter 2 weeks... son now has tonsalitis... not fun
[17:52] <Kilos> captine  when was baby born, didnt i congrat you the other day already?
[17:52] <Mopkop> Squirm: Just found this on google: http://froxlor.org/
[17:52] <Kilos> ya 2 weeks
[17:53] <Squirm> Mopkop: Yeah, that was quite nice
[17:53] <Kilos> im not as look as dumb i be
[17:53] <Squirm> Just got... stuck
[17:53] <Squirm> Didn't quite do what I wanted it to
[17:53] <Squirm> Very nice UI though
[17:56] <Padroni> that froxlor looks... retarded?
[17:56] <Padroni> or rather, extremely limited?
[17:56] <Squirm> Seemed like it
[17:56]  * Padroni prefers cpanel and WHM & WHMCS
[17:57] <Padroni> which platform you basing your server on, Squirm?
[17:57] <Squirm> Ubuntu
[17:57] <Padroni> what you using as the OS, iow
[17:57] <Padroni> ah ok
[17:57] <Padroni> to be honest
[17:57] <Padroni> I have never used Ubuntu as a server
[17:57]  * Squirm shrugs
[17:57] <Squirm> Works well
[17:57] <Padroni> for hosting websites, I mean
[17:57] <Padroni> I can imagine
[17:57] <Padroni> we use CloudLinux
[17:57] <Padroni> before that CentOS
[17:57] <Squirm> I have done a course in RedHat
[17:58] <Squirm> but Ubuntu works fine tbh
[17:58] <Squirm> We actually host everything of ours on Ubuntu servers
[17:58] <Padroni> I have 5 Oracle certifications
[17:58] <Padroni> I love their hardware
[17:58] <Padroni> their Linux is shit though
[17:58] <Padroni> Oracle Linux is crap
[17:59] <Squirm> lol
[18:01] <Padroni> Oracle Linux is based on RHEL though
[18:01] <Padroni> so if you can do the one, you can do the other
[18:02] <captine> Padroni, but Oracle linux is "Unbreakable"...
[18:02] <captine> :)
[18:02] <captine> Padroni, you refering to the Sun hardware?
[18:03] <inetpro> *shrug* 
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry 
[18:03] <Kilos> lol its ok inetpro  
[18:04] <Padroni> lol
[18:04] <Padroni> yeah captine - they like to push that in the salespitch
[18:04]  * inetpro just landed at home 
[18:04] <Padroni> unbreakable core
[18:04] <Kilos> ai!
[18:04] <Padroni> uninterupted, no reboot kernel updates
[18:04] <Kilos> have a break first man
[18:04] <Padroni> blah blah
[18:04] <Padroni> look at this though
[18:04] <Padroni> https://www.oracle.com/engineered-systems/supercluster/index.html
[18:04] <Padroni> I love that machine
[18:04] <Padroni> the day I become a billionaire - THAT is my next gaming machine
[18:04] <inetpro> lots of reading now 
[18:05] <Kilos> was just befor e1 i think
[18:08] <captine> Padroni, nice.  I was pushing for Oracle Exalytics box or something like that at work (with 1TB of memory), but we went with IBM Cognos as our software so no need for Oracle hardware....
[18:11] <Padroni> pity
[18:11] <Padroni> those are damn fine machines
[18:13] <Padroni> They are expensive though
[18:13] <Padroni> the T4 supercluster (last we looked at getting some) were $1.2m each
[18:14] <Padroni> but I mean - that thing runs up to 32 processors depending on your configuration
[18:14] <Padroni> not cores, PROCESSORS
[18:15] <Padroni> and it's their proprietary processors so only Solaris will run on it
[18:15] <Padroni> which rules out installing Steam on that beast, sadly
[18:17] <captine> lol
[18:17] <captine> yip.
[18:23] <captine> Squirm, where do you work that you use Ubuntu?
[18:23] <Squirm> www.yuppiechef.com
[18:26] <captine> cool.  pretty upmarket
[18:26] <Padroni> hey
[18:26] <Padroni> I ordered beer from you guys
[18:26] <Squirm> Padroni: awesome
[18:26] <Squirm> We have awesome beer
[18:26] <Padroni> 2 cases of Naked Mexicans and Slow Brew
[18:26] <Squirm> captine: it is, we sell some awesome stuff
[18:27] <Squirm> oooh
[18:27] <captine> yip.  oneday... :)
[18:27] <Squirm> both good veer
[18:27] <Squirm> beer
[18:27] <Squirm> captine: I tell myself that too :)
[18:28] <Padroni> Squirm
[18:28] <Padroni> I should send in my CV
[18:28] <Padroni> maybe I can work there too
[18:28] <Squirm> Padroni: to do what?
[18:28] <Padroni> I don't know
[18:28] <Padroni> servers and stuff?
[18:28] <Padroni> just not web dev
[18:28] <Squirm> http://www.yuppiechef.com/jobs.htm
[18:29] <Squirm> Only dev jobs going
[18:29] <Padroni> meh
[18:29] <Padroni> I don't want a dev job
[18:29] <Squirm> I lapped up the sys admin job ;)
[18:30] <Padroni> biotch
[18:30] <Padroni> lol
[18:30] <Squirm> So, I'm a sys admin
[18:30] <Squirm> not THE sys admin
[18:30] <Squirm> But I plan to be :D
[18:30] <Padroni> nothing wrong with ambition
[18:30] <Kilos> go Squirm  
[18:30] <Padroni> most people I know lack it
[18:31] <Padroni> Ping: 257ms
[18:31] <Padroni> Packet Loss: 34%
[18:32] <Padroni> dafuq is up with  my network again tonight
[18:32] <Squirm> lol
[18:32] <inetpro> Padroni: I'll be very honest, I don't like Oracle
[18:32] <Squirm> Padroni: what do you do?
[18:32] <Kilos> wb magellanic  
[18:32] <inetpro> personal opinion though
[18:32] <Padroni> inetpro: I love their hardware.  Their linux is shit.
[18:32] <Padroni> Personal opinion.
[18:33] <Squirm> Oh yes
[18:33] <Squirm> we were talking about the admin
[18:33] <inetpro> Sun Microsystems made fantastic hardware
[18:33] <magellanic> heya
[18:33] <Padroni> Squirm: I am sysadmin at a web hosting company
[18:33] <Squirm> Ok
[18:33] <Padroni> my focus is on Abuse though
[18:33] <Squirm> Padroni: and which company is this?
[18:33] <Padroni> so I investigate hack/fraud/etc
[18:33] <Squirm> Ok
[18:33] <Padroni> Ah Squirm - Padroni does not give away any personal info
[18:34] <Padroni> I keep my online footprint as small as possible
[18:34] <Squirm> I see
[18:34] <Kilos> rofl
[18:34] <Padroni> I work with too sensitive stuff
[18:34] <Kilos> hes bang we put the mafia on him
[18:34] <Padroni> lol
[18:35] <Padroni> somebody get Brad a cloak?
[18:35] <Squirm> Padroni: where abouts are you based?
[18:35] <Padroni> Western Cape
[18:35] <Padroni> Company I work for is in PTA though
[18:35] <Kilos> captine  go to #freenode and ask staff for a cloak
[18:35] <Padroni> I work remotely.
[18:35] <captine> lol
[18:36] <Squirm> I'll be happy with country :P
[18:36] <captine> what is a cloak
[18:36] <Padroni> If I see an IP, I make portscan jokes and Graeme has a fanny wobble when I do that.
[18:36] <Padroni> See, he does not like me much, it seems
[18:36] <inetpro> Padroni: I may be wrong but I don't think Oracle is good for free libre open source
[18:36] <Kilos> no man he just does things different
[18:37] <Padroni> you, Squirm?
[18:37] <inetpro> they want the whole cake only for themselves
[18:37] <Padroni> Cape Town, I presume?
[18:37] <Kilos> he has jumped on me too
[18:37] <Padroni> Oracle is not Open Source 
[18:37] <Padroni> so no
[18:37] <Padroni> Oracle isn't far behind MS, Apple, etc.
[18:38] <inetpro> Padroni: but the sad reality is, they are using the open source stack to their advantage
[18:38] <captine> Oracle even pulled down a website that had the JD Edwards Database Scheme reference with field names and explanation of tables etc.  Threatened to sue the site owner as the schema was "proprietary"
[18:38] <captine> http://jderef.com/
[18:39] <magellanic> inetpro: everyone is though
[18:39] <captine> but he said screw them and started http://jdetables.com/
[18:39] <captine> :)
[18:39] <captine> incase any of you have the misfortune of also having to work with JD Edwards....
[18:39] <captine> so what is this cloaking thing?
[18:40] <Kilos> it masks your ip address
[18:40] <Padroni> It hides your IP
[18:40] <Padroni> SO fools like me can't joke about portscanning you
[18:40] <captine> oh.  so mine isnt hidden?
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Padroni> nope
[18:40] <captine> ah well
[18:40] <Padroni> --> captine (~Brad@105.233.82.32) has joined #ubuntu-za
[18:40] <inetpro> ai!
[18:40] <captine> let me know if i have a security hole Padroni 
[18:40] <magellanic> lol
[18:41] <Padroni> hey captine
[18:41] <Padroni> how's gaming on a cybersmart connection?
[18:41]  * Kilos smirks behing my double cloak
[18:41] <Padroni> stable or do you get ping spikes like with Afrihost
[18:41] <magellanic> you can hack my iburst modem, I hate that thing anyway
[18:42] <Padroni> I don't hack.
[18:42] <Padroni> I look.
[18:42] <Padroni> hack implies maliciious intent.
[18:42] <captine> i dont really game
[18:42] <Padroni> I am just curious
[18:42] <captine> but am happy with my speed
[18:42] <Padroni> I need fibre
[18:42] <Padroni> I boss disagrees
[18:42] <Padroni> we're at a bit of a empass on that one 
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't need my permission to start linux-africa
[18:43] <Padroni> I get as many free VPS as I want instead
[18:43] <Kilos> sigh
[18:43] <inetpro> lol
[18:43] <Padroni> inetpro: we know
[18:43] <Kilos> put your glasses on and read properly
[18:43] <Padroni> it was a thought which we are working on
[18:43]  * inetpro likes the idea
[18:44] <Padroni> Kilos things R135 is much for a domain name
[18:44] <inetpro> it needs a bit of thought
[18:44]  * Padroni spent that on beer yesterday
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: that is very cheap
[18:44] <magellanic> anyone went to the open beer event?
[18:44] <Padroni> I went to the CTFOB 
[18:44] <Padroni> actually - won tickets
[18:44] <inetpro> Padroni: and that is annula?
[18:44] <Padroni> TWICE
[18:44] <inetpro> annual as well
[18:45] <magellanic> ctfob?
[18:45] <Padroni> Annula: almost like ANNUAL, only different...
[18:45] <Padroni> yes
[18:45] <Padroni> Cape Town Festival of Beer
[18:45] <Kilos> i thunk it was monthly
[18:45] <Padroni> yes @ annula
[18:45] <magellanic> ah
[18:45] <inetpro> Padroni: local?
[18:45] <Padroni> .co.za ? 
[18:45] <Squirm[Web]> Meh
[18:45] <Padroni> no
[18:45] <Squirm[Web]> Disconnected
[18:45] <inetpro> wow
[18:45] <Squirm[Web]> A while ago
[18:45] <Padroni> i was thinking .info
[18:45] <inetpro> ah
[18:45] <Padroni> linux-africa.info
[18:46] <Padroni> ?
[18:46] <Kilos> i like
[18:46] <Padroni> or .com
[18:46] <Squirm[Web]> Hmm
[18:46] <Padroni> just not .org
[18:46] <inetpro> .io even
[18:46] <inetpro> nice and short
[18:46] <Squirm[Web]> Padroni: what if I told you in the time that I was gone, I know your name and where you're based?
[18:46] <Padroni> .io?
[18:46] <Squirm[Web]> :P
[18:46] <Padroni> pm me and I will confirm
[18:47] <inetpro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io
[18:47] <Padroni> so we get a .io which belongs to a country with no citizens?
[18:48] <captine> Padroni, VPS's?  where you working that you get vps?
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <captine> and how do i get the cloak thing done?
[18:48] <Kilos> captine go to #freenode
[18:48] <inetpro> captine: go to #freenode and ask
[18:48] <Padroni> we get them inhouse
[18:48] <Kilos> ask staff for a cloak please
[18:49] <inetpro> oh yes, good point Kilos
[18:49] <Kilos> what?
[18:49] <inetpro> ask staff
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <inetpro> too many others there as well
[18:49] <Kilos> first time i went there i got a joker
[18:50] <inetpro> wow, that was quick!?
[18:50] <Kilos> 20:50] --> captine (~Brad@unaffiliated/captine) has joined this channel.
[18:50] <Kilos> very fast
[18:50] <inetpro> captine: you're the first one to get it this quick
[18:51] <Kilos> now in you irc client where you do the edit thing enterr your irc or freenode passwords
[18:51] <Kilos> then it cloaks before opening channels
[18:52] <captine> thanks
[18:52] <captine> done
[18:52] <Kilos> well done, you very fast
[18:52] <Kilos> the freenode staff are very helpful
[18:53] <kulelu88> who is this mopkop fellow
[18:53] <captine> thanks all. I dont stress too much about my IP thogh...
[18:53] <captine> nothing on my network worth taking :)
[18:53] <Kilos> no matter
[18:53] <kulelu88> captine: everything is worth taking
[18:53] <captine> kulelu88, :)
[18:54] <Kilos> kulelu88  Mopkop  is our dominee
[18:54] <inetpro> ai!
[18:54] <Kilos> and site helper
[18:54] <kulelu88> my afrikaans isn't that good that I remember dominee :-/ something to do with school? :D
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <Mopkop> Oh sorry kulelu88, Let me intorduce myself: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mopkop
[18:56] <captine> Padroni, I too am hoping for Fibre.  Our neighbourhood is going to tender, from what I understand... am hoping to be one of the trials...
[18:56] <inetpro> kulelu88: please add your name on our members page
[18:57] <kulelu88> captine: you must be in cape town. I don't see folks in PTA tendering for any fibre "at all"
[18:57] <kulelu88> Mopkop: Jys die kerk man :O nice to meet you 
[18:57] <captine> johannesburg.  
[18:58] <captine> Parkhurst got it right with Vumatel
[18:58] <captine> some company came to our neighbour home owners thing and are running with it
[18:58] <Mopkop> kulelu88: Wedersyds! 
[18:58]  * Squirm[Web] looks around
[18:59] <Squirm[Web]> Can't seem to onnect to my bouncer
[18:59] <kulelu88> Parkhurst is basically a millionaire zone, so the worker-bees like us will wait for the monopoly fibre owner to come in
[18:59] <kulelu88> Unless! Let me be futuristic and try to arrange it B-)
[19:00] <captine> yip. lots of cash there 
[19:00] <Squirm[Web]> https seems to be veeeeery slow
[19:00] <Kilos> hi DarkSurferZA  
[19:00] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[19:00] <inetpro> or is it wb?
[19:00] <kulelu88> Are any of you not registered? Can you try joining #docker whilst being unregistered?
[19:00] <Mopkop> Hello DarkSurferZA!
[19:00] <DarkSurferZA> Yo
[19:00] <DarkSurferZA> Hi guys
[19:01] <Squirm[Web]> [21:01] == #docker Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[19:01] <kulelu88> dankie Squirm[Web] 
[19:02] <Kilos> lol hes pretending to be deaf inetpro  
[19:02] <inetpro> kulelu88: yikes! that is one busy channel
[19:02] <DarkSurferZA> I have been on and off the channel for a year now, and every time I connect, there is Kilos. 
[19:03] <Kilos> DarkSurferZA  im the greeter bot here
[19:03] <inetpro> 1189 users + ops
[19:03] <kulelu88> I only see 43
[19:03] <Kilos> not here man
[19:03] <DarkSurferZA> Right
[19:04] <Kilos> #docker
[19:04] <DarkSurferZA> What IRC client you guys using
[19:04] <kulelu88> Xchat
[19:04] <Mopkop> DarkSurferZA: Pidgin
[19:04] <Kilos> konversation
[19:05] <DarkSurferZA> So many fun feature in different clients, but none with all.
[19:05] <Kilos> on unity xchat or hexchat is good
[19:05] <DarkSurferZA> Anyone using irc on mobile?
[19:05] <kulelu88> IRC CLI ftw!
[19:05] <DarkSurferZA> Love Pidgin btw
[19:05] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: quassel
[19:06] <Kilos> lol
[19:06] <Padroni> Quassel
[19:06] <Kilos> pidgin is for msn and mxit and aim etc
[19:06] <DarkSurferZA> Hana kulelu88, there must always be that one guy...
[19:06] <Padroni> I've yet to find a proper IRC on iOS, DarkSurferZA
[19:06] <inetpro> http://quassel-irc.org/ ftw!!
[19:07] <Padroni> not that typing on the iPad is any fun to begin with
[19:07] <kulelu88> eeuww what is that mxit
[19:07] <kulelu88> DarkSurferZA: dont let me start about Vim!
[19:07] <Kilos> fastest im goodie around
[19:09] <DarkSurferZA> Well, and chat is great, but looks dies, and holoIRC feels a bit feature weak
[19:09] <DarkSurferZA> I have a hardware keyboard, charging now so typing sucks, but I love mobile
[19:09] <Kilos> DarkSurferZA  what OS are you using?
[19:10] <DarkSurferZA> At home or work, mobile or desktop?
[19:10] <Kilos> lol the one where you are trying different irc clients
[19:10] <DarkSurferZA> I am mostly a centos guy at work, with windows for corporate apps
[19:10] <kulelu88> if it isn't Open source, it doesn't count!
[19:10] <DarkSurferZA> And Ubuntu at home
[19:11] <Kilos> nice
[19:11] <Kilos> as you progress you will one day get to kde
[19:12] <Padroni> I use ubuntu on desktop, Kali on laptop with Win7 as secondary
[19:12] <Padroni> lubuntu on my media centre pc 
[19:12] <DarkSurferZA> Android tablet, windows phone. Oh, and my home windows laptop is a mac which always boots windows.
[19:12] <Padroni> best mac I've ever heard of
[19:12] <Padroni> Mac OS is crap
[19:12] <Mopkop> Kilos: Why is that?
[19:12] <kulelu88> so i'm not the only 1 with too many electronics
[19:12] <Padroni> well, actually it's not
[19:12] <Padroni> it's terminal is just sooooooo limited
[19:12] <DarkSurferZA> Padroni, have you tried xbmc?
[19:13] <Padroni> Yes. It blows
[19:13] <Padroni> I don't like the interface, to be honest
[19:13] <Kilos> lol have you never heard, when peeps have probs, there are some here that say i dont have those probs i use kde
[19:13] <Padroni> it's pretty, make no mistake
[19:13] <Padroni> but it just didn't work for me
[19:13] <Padroni> plus
[19:13] <magespawn> those guys are on the ball tonight, just got mine too
[19:13] <Kilos> as i said you need to progress
[19:13] <Padroni> using Lubuntu on the mediacentre pc means that the wife and kids can't work it
[19:14] <Padroni> so I get to decide what we watch.  Forever.
[19:14] <magespawn> lol
[19:14] <Kilos> lekker magespawn  
[19:14] <DarkSurferZA> Kulelu88, I am a hacker, professionally, so I need every test environment under the sun. How do you explain to your SO
[19:14] <magespawn> maybe i should do that too Padroni 
[19:14] <Padroni> It works.
[19:15] <Mopkop> Kilos: I see. Yes I find unity to be somewhat unstable. But I guess that because it is less mature than KDE. Well I use Vista at church so Unity is the least of my problems. :-D
[19:15] <DarkSurferZA> Padroni, I have yet to see anything in Mac that is prettier than *nix
[19:15] <Padroni> Mac is very beautiful.
[19:15] <Padroni> Then you start to use it ...
[19:15] <kulelu88> Does SO = significant other? that's the only 1 I didnt know :D
[19:16] <Padroni> and then you realize that behind that pretty desktop is the little OS that could, but didn't.
[19:16] <DarkSurferZA> True. Try install dark table on mac, then see how much bandwidth it costs. Then count bugs. Then cry. Keep tissues handy. Salty tears are conductive, keyboard won't love you after
[19:16] <Padroni> DarkSurferZA: we should speak some at some point
[19:17] <kulelu88> DarkSurferZA: u are doing da hackz 
[19:17] <DarkSurferZA> The legal ones. Consulting in infosec, specifically penetration testing
[19:17] <Kilos> you okes that like the look of macs try elementaryos
[19:18] <DarkSurferZA> Padroni, any time.
[19:18] <kulelu88> what's the hourly dollar rate for infosec guys?
[19:19] <DarkSurferZA> And if anyone makes "penetration testing" jokes, it better be creative. I've heard soooo many
[19:19] <kulelu88> sex jokes about pentesting? This is IRC :-/ 
[19:20] <magespawn> DarkSurferZA: i don't know any
[19:20] <Padroni> I can think of a few along the 'backdoor'd' theme but will keep quiet
[19:20] <Padroni> DarkSurferZA: check your pvt
[19:21] <kulelu88> I have 1 joke and it's a 1-liner. Here it is: Systemd 
[19:21] <Kilos> they must have chosen it for a reason kulelu88  
[19:22] <kulelu88> woo. 
[19:22] <kulelu88> that's a banned word
[19:22] <kulelu88> Kilos: they forced their way into Debian
[19:23] <Kilos> isnt it supposed to be fatser than upstart?
[19:23] <Kilos> faster
[19:23] <kulelu88> and bloated
[19:23] <Squirm> I think
[19:23] <kulelu88> doing too many things
[19:23] <Squirm> ...
[19:23] <Squirm> Am I alive?
[19:23] <Kilos> how can bloated be faster
[19:23] <Squirm> Maaz: test
[19:23] <Maaz> Squirm: What?
[19:23] <Squirm> Cool
[19:24] <Kilos> haha Squirm  what you doing
[19:24] <Squirm> Rebooted my router
[19:24] <kulelu88> the idea behind it is fine. the implementation and their way of getting it through isn't
[19:24] <Squirm> My https connections were strangely slow
[19:24] <kulelu88> you on Tor or VPN? Squirm 
[19:24] <Squirm> Even dropped irc
[19:25] <Kilos> they will sort it within the next cople of releases
[19:25] <Squirm> Things seem to be back
[19:25] <Squirm> kulelu88: no
[19:25] <Mopkop> Are people still using TOR?
[19:25] <Kilos> inetpro  dont you ever stop?
[19:25]  * Squirm shrugs
[19:25] <Squirm> It was just strangely slow
[19:26] <kulelu88> do any of you IRC lurkers attend meetups?
[19:26] <Squirm> Still feels slow
[19:26] <Squirm> :/
[19:28] <Squirm> If it's being like this
[19:28] <Squirm> I reckon it's bed time then
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: stop with?
[19:29] <Kilos> wiki and trello stuff
[19:29] <inetpro> uh, what did I do now?
[19:29] <kulelu88> oom is a coastal fellow, he is not used to gauteng work pressure
[19:29] <Kilos> kulelu88  meetups?
[19:29] <Kilos> something on wiki
[19:29] <kulelu88> yeah, linux, java, ruby meetups
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:30] <Mopkop> kulelu88: Like get-togethers?
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: I just fixed it man
[19:30] <Kilos> good man inetpro  
[19:30] <inetpro> :-)
[19:30] <Kilos> i didnt break it i promise
[19:31] <Padroni> captine: 
[19:31] <Padroni> give me that URL again plz
[19:31] <kulelu88> yeah, get-togethers. talking tech, and drinking beer for the alcoholics, etc.
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:31] <inetpro> talking about systemd
[19:31] <inetpro> here's something for you guys
[19:31] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[19:33] <magellanic> kulelu88: yes, linux/python/google dev group meetups here in Cpt
[19:33] <Mopkop> Anything in Pretoria then?
[19:33] <magellanic> I was at a clug meet this evening
[19:34] <kulelu88> magellanic: were you in the audience at the py meetup?
[19:34] <magellanic> yes
[19:34] <kulelu88> there's an angular and ruby meetup in PTA
[19:34] <kulelu88> were you the dude with the mac laptop? magellanic 
[19:35] <magellanic> nope, I don't do apple stuff :p I had no laptop, just watched
[19:35] <kulelu88> that venue was tiny @ magellanic 
[19:35] <magellanic> you were?
[19:36] <magellanic> yes :p
[19:36] <magellanic> first time I got to see the top of that bar
[19:36] <kulelu88> on the other side of the camera
[19:36] <magellanic> oh, jhb python user group?
[19:36] <kulelu88> yep
[19:36] <Kilos> Mopkop  nice page, i like your style
[19:37] <kulelu88> I keep hitting ctrl + w :-/
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <magellanic> cool stuff
[19:37] <Mopkop> Kilos: Thank you!
[19:37] <magellanic> we hope to skype again during a meet kulelu88 
[19:38] <kulelu88> oom Kilos: Is there a log of the chat?
[19:38] <magellanic> with a better connection though
[19:38] <Kilos> this chat?
[19:38] <kulelu88> magellanic: yeah, from your side. we were running on 36MB/s
[19:38] <Mopkop> Why isn't the compose button on by default in Ubuntu?
[19:38] <kulelu88> yeah @ Kilos 
[19:38] <Kilos> ya the pro knows where to find them
[19:38] <Kilos> i forget always
[19:38] <Kilos> inetpro  link to logs please
[19:39]  * Padroni is getting tired now
[19:39] <magellanic> kulelu88: I think it was us yeah
[19:39] <Mopkop> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ 
[19:39] <Kilos> Padroni  have some coffee
[19:39] <Padroni>  coffee?
[19:39] <Padroni> dude I am at work - I am drinking BEER
[19:39] <Padroni> thank you though
[19:39] <kulelu88> magellanic: what Doctorate does Dr. Neil have?
[19:39] <Kilos> ya man beer makes you sleepy
[19:40] <magellanic> kulelu88: not quite sure, but, he is a mathematician
[19:40] <Padroni> you're obviously doing it wrong then...
[19:40] <Padroni> lol
[19:40] <Kilos> just now you gonna battle to carry your belly around
[19:40] <Padroni> oh that ship has sailed
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <kulelu88> i think I shall visit my 1 prof some day and show him some data science skills
[19:41] <inetpro> uh logs? oh ^^
[19:41] <Kilos> ya the one with date in
[19:41] <inetpro> in the topic
[19:41] <Kilos> where you just change the date
[19:41] <Kilos> oh
[19:41] <inetpro> you can even google it
[19:42] <Padroni> time for a game of LOL
[19:42] <Kilos> speak for yourself
[19:42] <Mopkop> This? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/10/%23ubuntu-za.txt
[19:42] <Padroni> anyone else play League of Legends?
[19:42] <Kilos> the only time i find logs is when you give me the link
[19:42] <Padroni> or am I the only one again/
[19:42] <Kilos> ya like that Mopkop  
[19:42] <magellanic> kulelu88: were you guys at the ihub in jozi?
[19:43] <Kilos> sjoe die mense gesels vanaand ne
[19:43] <kulelu88> jozihub ja
[19:43] <kulelu88> Padroni: I play: Nexiuz
[19:43] <kulelu88> if anyone wants to vs. me I'll be there at 1.30am :D
[19:44] <magellanic> cool stuff, space looked nice
[19:44] <magellanic> and no wonder the fiber\
[19:44] <Padroni> FFS
[19:44] <Padroni> Can't get in to LOL
[19:44] <Padroni> kulelu88: add me
[19:45] <Padroni> we'll play later
[19:45] <Padroni> my connection is for shite tonight
[19:45] <kulelu88> I'll join a random server
[19:45] <kulelu88> we had some lekker CS servers before, then they took them off
[19:46] <Kilos> me needs to sleep. night all. sleep tight
[19:48] <kulelu88> magellanic: has the fire in cpt died down?
[19:48] <magellanic> it has yes
[19:51] <kulelu88> magellanic: Out of randomness, can you tolerate the winter?
[19:52] <magellanic> I got used to it, it's harsh
[19:53] <magellanic> I am here for 4 years, grew up in jhb
[19:53] <kulelu88> so the day I can afford a holiday home, i'l llook at cpt for november till march 
[19:54] <magellanic> well zuma just said no more foreigners will be able to buy and own land here, so it might end up becoming a buyers market soon :p
[19:54] <kulelu88> magellanic: are you a developer?
[19:55] <magellanic> I'm a devops guy
[19:55] <kulelu88> Amazon?
[19:55] <magellanic> contractor
[19:56] <kulelu88> do you think devops as a service can work? magellanic 
[19:57] <magellanic> how would that work?
[19:57] <magespawn> i am also off, good night all
[19:58] <kulelu88> or would it fall into more managed hosting? magellanic 
[19:58] <captine> night all
[19:59] <magellanic> what do you mean? I don't work for amazon if you are referring to their stack..
[20:00] <kulelu88> magellanic: eg. big company runs many systems in the cloud, would like it to be managed/setup by someone who works with their devs and looks after their systems
[20:00] <magellanic> oh, possibly
[20:01] <kulelu88> the economics doesn't work for me
[20:01] <magellanic> I think management layers already make it convenient for the big companies devs to do most stuff themselves
[20:01] <magellanic> eg, heroku
[20:03] <kulelu88> very valid point @mage
[20:03] <kulelu88> magellanic: 
[20:04] <magellanic> what do you do kulelu88 
[20:04] <kulelu88> Analyst
[20:05] <magellanic> cool
[20:05] <Padroni> that is such a vague title...
[20:05] <magellanic> enjoy? what tools do you work with mostly?
[20:05] <kulelu88> I know Padroni  :D
[20:06] <kulelu88> I use mostly custom internal tools
[20:07] <magellanic> I see
[20:07] <kulelu88> What do you guys use?
[20:07] <magellanic> I mostly use non custom open source tools
[20:07] <magellanic> :p
[20:08] <kulelu88> wireshark :P
[20:08] <magellanic> no, Padroni uses that I think :p
[20:30] <superfly> kulelu88: we just use Google App Engine
[20:31] <superfly> don't have to care about hardware, just make sure the software workds
[20:31] <kulelu88> that's like Heroku I think
[20:31] <superfly> *works
[20:31] <superfly> ja, something like that I think. I'm not terribly familiar with Heroku
[20:32] <superfly> I think the main difference with App Engine is that you kinda have to do things the GAE way. You pretty much write an application that makes use of their data layer and their tasks system. You can't deploy your own databases.
[20:32] <kulelu88> aah that is the difference then. I think OpenShift allows you to deploy your own DB.
[20:33] <kulelu88> I've been wanting to build a webapp for very long now. I just lack that enthusiasm @supe
[20:33] <kulelu88> superfly: 
[20:34] <superfly> the best way I've found to getting into things is finding a problem and writing a solution for it. 
[20:34] <kulelu88> I have an idea I'd like to build. Thing is, there are existing solutions. (it is a forum). 
[20:36] <magellanic> build it anyway, make it more locally relevant, easier to use
[20:36] <magellanic> you learn the tools that way, for other things later
[20:36] <kulelu88> you think a custom solution trumps a tested solution?
[20:37] <magellanic> I second GAE - love it
[20:38] <magellanic> doing such pet projects is a good learning experience
[20:38] <magellanic> even if they amount to nothing
[20:38] <kulelu88> i'm looking to make some moola
[20:39] <superfly> kulelu88: no, but a custom solution can be a learning experience
[20:39] <superfly> and I would rate a learning experience above making moola ;-)
[20:39] <kulelu88> superfly: I think maybe a custom solution would be more appropriate for a really custom personal project?
[20:39] <kulelu88> superfly: True :P
[20:40] <magellanic> superfly: probably are aware of the new status dashboard? https://status.cloud.google.com/ there were blips today which concerned me earlier :p
[20:41] <superfly> yes
[20:41] <superfly> I get ALL the e-mails -_-
[20:41] <magellanic> lol I see
[20:41] <magellanic> I love the way they break down investigations there, and update them, kinda regularly through the process
[20:42] <Padroni> anyone here watched Homeland yet?
[20:42] <magellanic> nope
[20:44] <kulelu88> local show?
[20:45] <Padroni> odd
[20:45] <Padroni> when I click on the first result for Google App Engine in Google
[20:46] <Padroni> my Untangle blocks the page for malware
[20:46] <Padroni> Host:clickserve.dartsearch.net
[20:46] <Padroni> URL:http://clickserve.dartsearch.net/link/cl
[20:46] <Padroni> this from the first result in Google, FOR Google
[20:47] <magellanic> :/
[20:47] <kulelu88> $500 dollars for you @ Padroni 
[20:47] <Padroni> eh?
[20:47] <magellanic> is it cloud.google.com/appengine/docs link?
[20:48] <kulelu88> oh wait, unless thats a security flaw
[20:48] <Padroni> no
[20:48] <Padroni> the ad for app engine above it
[20:48] <magellanic> oh heh
[20:48] <Padroni> "Untangle says No"
[20:49] <Padroni> I unblocked it.  URL leads here: https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs?gclid=CPPFzqLUnsQCFakSwwodqnkAZA
[20:53] <Padroni> odd though, right?
[20:54] <Padroni> unless my Untangle is full of crap, which I doubt
[20:54] <Padroni> could just be due to a cross-site reference during the URL redirect
[20:54] <Padroni> you know - for analytics purposes
[20:54] <Padroni> they do that
[20:57] <Padroni> anyhoo
[20:57] <Padroni> I am off
[20:58] <Padroni> later folks
[22:00] <inetpro> fp
[22:01] <inetpro> good night
[22:03] <Squirm> meh
[22:04] <Squirm> cheers inetpro
[22:27] <kulelu88> no sleep yet? Sq
[22:27] <kulelu88> Squirm: 
[22:45] <kulelu88> you here early Zarw 
[22:50] <Squirm> Nothing yet kulelu88
[22:51] <kulelu88> either you have sleep issues or you're a nightowl
[22:51] <Squirm> Can't sleep
[22:51] <kulelu88> warm milk?
[22:58] <Squirm> My milk is off :/
[22:58] <Squirm> I'm ok
[22:59] <Squirm> Maaz: ping
[22:59] <Maaz> Squirm: pong
[23:00] <kulelu88> is Neo31 new here?