| knome | elfy, once you get back, ping me about your plans about social mediaizing exploratory testing | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Unit193 | ali1234: New firefox should fix that, try upgrading? | 00:05 |
| ali1234 | i am fully up to date | 00:05 |
| Unit193 | 36.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1? | 00:05 |
| knome | Unit193, new firefox too? are they reverting to use the parameter anyway? | 00:05 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:05 |
| Unit193 | - revert removal of the deprecated -remote command line option, as some | 00:06 |
| Unit193 | older software (eg, Python 2.7's webbrowser module) still depends on it | 00:06 |
| Unit193 | (LP: #1425972) | 00:06 |
| knome | aha | 00:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1425972 in exo (Ubuntu Utopic) "Firefox no longer supports -remote parameter" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425972 | 00:06 |
| knome | well that's the right way to go with that... | 00:06 |
| knome | :P | 00:06 |
| bluesabre | other than the packages I cannot upload, xfce-4.12 is in -proposed :) | 00:21 |
| Unit193 | Stiiiilll reviewing stuff... | 00:28 |
| bluesabre | knome: do you want me to add your colorschemes to -artwork and x-d-s, any other changes expected there? | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | along with that, do we want to set mousepad's colorscheme by default? (might be safer to keep it white) | 01:40 |
| Unit193 | Soo, what's this do? | 01:41 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/colorschemes/ | 01:41 |
| Unit193 | Oh right, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin 0.2.1 pushed, looks like it needs more testing and bug reports. | 01:41 |
| bluesabre | nice to see that coming along so quickly | 01:42 |
| bluesabre | want to kick it into -extras (or wherever we currently have it)? | 01:42 |
| Unit193 | Already have. | 01:43 |
| * bluesabre needs to pay more attention | 01:45 | |
| bluesabre | knome: other question, how would you like these colorschemes licensed? | 01:53 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: http://git.xfce.org/apps/orage/tree/configure.in.in?id=orage-4.10.0#n265 | 02:11 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: fun | 02:12 |
| Unit193 | No, it means it doesn't need gui4, which is good. New verve doesn't either. \o/ | 02:12 |
| bluesabre | woot | 02:13 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-linelight-plugin and xfce4-messenger-plugin nobody cares about (heck, couldn't even find a homepage for one of them..) | 02:13 |
| bluesabre | I think orage already doesn't depend on gui4 | 02:13 |
| bluesabre | maybe I'm wrong | 02:13 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin is a mess I believe. | 02:13 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 02:13 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: build-dep. | 02:13 |
| bluesabre | silly orage | 02:14 |
| bluesabre | notes is really the only important one | 02:14 |
| Unit193 | Isn't that a mess too? | 02:15 |
| Unit193 | http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-notes-plugin/commit/configure.ac.in?id=d11fe51fae95b5b4963847be76ae4a07409a6076 wonder if that'd do it. | 02:15 |
| Unit193 | http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-notes-plugin/commit/?id=d11fe51fae95b5b4963847be76ae4a07409a6076 actually. | 02:16 |
| bluesabre | I'd say so | 02:18 |
| bluesabre | its ready for a release, except it doesn't build with latest vala | 02:19 |
| Unit193 | So, "it's ready for release, just doesn't build"? That doesn't sound ready. :D | 02:19 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 02:19 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Does your gui4 package build with gcc5 then? | 02:19 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: haven't tried | 02:20 |
| bluesabre | is gcc5 landing in vivid? | 02:20 |
| Unit193 | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10087 so this? | 02:21 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10087 in General "build system needs to be updated for automake-1.13" [Normal,New] | 02:21 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: No, but good to get things ready, as the mail said. | 02:21 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 02:21 |
| bluesabre | I'll give it a shot | 02:22 |
| Unit193 | http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20150202-gcc5-vivid.html#xubuntu | 02:22 |
| Unit193 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-March/038714.html explains. | 02:22 |
| bluesabre | ah, I see | 02:25 |
| bluesabre | missed that mail | 02:25 |
| bluesabre | I'm going to guess it probably wont fix that build failure | 02:26 |
| bluesabre | but maybe! | 02:26 |
| * bluesabre hopes | 02:26 | |
| Unit193 | Several of the plugins have the setenv error. | 02:33 |
| Unit193 | See the other plugin releases? | 02:34 |
| bluesabre | not yet | 02:39 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: btw, ever found out what that missing transmission icon was? | 07:56 |
| ochosi | (just remembered now) | 07:56 |
| dkessel | ochosi: is the next meeting on wednesday evening CEST? | 08:43 |
| ochosi | dkessel: sorry, no, i still need to reschedule | 08:45 |
| knome | bluesabre, pick a license that works best for you | 10:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, i can live with either | 10:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, and i guess the schemes in -art, defaults in x-d-s (talk with ochosi) | 10:22 |
| ochosi | yup, +1 on that ^ | 10:22 |
| knome | ooh ooh, docs upload | 10:23 |
| slickymasterWork | but not all the translated strings though | 10:23 |
| bluesabre | knome: thanks, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/revision/282 | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I think Laney said it should be fixed by the latest gtk upload, haven't checked yet | 10:40 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 10:40 |
| ochosi | great | 10:40 |
| bluesabre | knome, ochosi: xubuntu-dark as the default in terminal? | 10:44 |
| knome | yup | 10:44 |
| knome | practically the same as the current theme with some improvements | 10:44 |
| knome | bluesabre, what about the default mousepad conf? | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | knome: working on that now | 10:58 |
| knome | ok | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | do we want to have xubuntu-light as the default mousepad theme? | 10:58 |
| knome | yeah i guess | 10:58 |
| knome | it's easy enough to switch to the dark one | 10:59 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 10:59 |
| bluesabre | knome: for the default font | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | DejaVu Sans Mono Book | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | but thinking we should use font size 10 instead of 9 for the editor | 11:05 |
| knome | weeell ;) | 11:05 |
| knome | i use 8 | 11:05 |
| knome | go figure | 11:05 |
| knome | i guess i'm fine with 10 even though it's a bit brutal | 11:06 |
| * bluesabre can't squint that hard | 11:06 | |
| bluesabre | I'll get these settings in and you guys can tweak them throughout the day to find the perfect xubuntu defaults | 11:06 |
| bluesabre | knome: word-wrap on|off? | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | or just default? | 11:09 |
| knome | default | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | we can also choose to display toolbar, statusbar, anything like that | 11:10 |
| knome | as long as you set the default color scheme to xubuntu light, i'm fine | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | k | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | do you know which bug is the search both directions bug? | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | or, I can just look that up | 11:13 |
| knome | i had no idea we had one :D | 11:13 |
| knome | or i forgot.. | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | found it | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | so yeah, if there are any other desired mousepad defaults, let me know, will have these pushed to bzr in a few | 11:22 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, it should be linked to the bugs-blueprint | 11:25 |
| bluesabre | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/558 | 11:26 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Use dconf-editor and see if there are any other things you want to add to that ^ | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | and elfy, Unit193, etc | 11:27 |
| ochosi | maybe "show full name in titlebar" would be useful | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | that's one I find handy | 11:28 |
| ochosi | k, let's put that one in then | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | will do | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | gotta go get ready for work now | 11:28 |
| ochosi | line numbers maybe | 11:29 |
| ochosi | and then that's it | 11:29 |
| ochosi | (if those aren't on by default anyway) | 11:29 |
| ochosi | cool, so we can mark another bug fixed then | 11:29 |
| Greylocks | Seeing a problem with xbuntu vivid, when I close the lid on my laptop and later reopen it I get the unlock screen fine but after authenticating all I get is a blank screen. I then have to hard restart to get back into xbuntu. Anyone else seeing this? Is it a known issue? | 13:48 |
| GridCube | ._. its happening again? | 13:52 |
| GridCube | Bug 1303736 | 13:52 |
| ubottu | bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303736 | 13:52 |
| Greylocks | GridCube: looking at the bug now... | 13:54 |
| Greylocks | Only difference is that I have mine set to lock the screen, not suspend, but otherwise yes this is the issue I am seeing | 13:55 |
| Greylocks | I updated yesterday, perhaps if I update again I will get the fix? Or does it have to be installed manually? | 13:56 |
| elfy | that fix landed a long time ago - this issue keeps coming back, possibly another more recent not fixed bug, but there's so many different permutations of it I have lost my way with them | 14:02 |
| Greylocks | Updating now, if it still persists I'll add a comment to the bug. | 14:04 |
| Greylocks | Or should I open a new one? | 14:04 |
| elfy | Greylocks: I'm not sure tbh - I would edge towards report it - with as much specific information on what hardware it is | 14:09 |
| elfy | ochosi bluesabre - just so you know, image is still not getting to desktop after Try/Install dialogue | 14:10 |
| elfy | bbl | 14:10 |
| Greylocks | elfy: okay, it will have to be this evening I have to leave for work soon so I'll do it tonight. | 14:10 |
| drc | The daily image for today actually working? | 14:41 |
| drc | Apparently not...64bit daily would not boot thru to LiveUSB desktop, same a syesterday. | 15:34 |
| elfy | drc: as you have found out for yourself - no it's not :p | 16:48 |
| ochosi | hey elfy | 16:49 |
| elfy | hi ochosi :) | 16:49 |
| ochosi | is that since the systemd switch? | 16:49 |
| elfy | yep seemingly | 16:50 |
| elfy | refuses to get to the desktop | 16:50 |
| ochosi | :/ | 16:50 |
| ochosi | that | 16:50 |
| ochosi | 's not very cool | 16:50 |
| ochosi | is it reported already? | 16:50 |
| elfy | nope | 16:50 |
| elfy | nope | 16:50 |
| ochosi | and does it affect anyone else? | 16:50 |
| elfy | not as such re reported | 16:50 |
| drc | OTOH, upgrading appears to go smoothly? (this is a question, not a statement) | 16:50 |
| ochosi | k | 16:50 |
| ochosi | well i'm using vivid for a while now and the upgrade didn't break anything | 16:51 |
| elfy | ochosi: I checked 4 others yesterday not affecting them | 16:51 |
| ochosi | my laptop still boots | 16:51 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea same :) | 16:51 |
| elfy | should we expect to see xfwm showing in ps aux | 16:53 |
| elfy | you can get to the installer at least | 16:57 |
| ochosi | is that a question? | 16:57 |
| elfy | ochosi: if you've some idea what package to report against then I'll do that from cli | 16:57 |
| ochosi | i mean yeah, xfwm4 should show up | 16:57 |
| ochosi | what happens exactly when you hit try&install? | 16:58 |
| elfy | mmm well ps aux | grep xfwm4 just reports the tty string | 16:58 |
| elfy | ochosi: currently the install option from try/install dialogue | 16:58 |
| ochosi | wait, i'm confused | 16:59 |
| elfy | ochosi: and it was more a rhetorical question | 16:59 |
| ochosi | could you start from the top and describe the problem/bug? | 16:59 |
| elfy | ochosi: hang on - I'll summarise | 16:59 |
| ochosi | ty :) | 16:59 |
| elfy | ha ha | 16:59 |
| elfy | boot image - at the first menu ignore it | 16:59 |
| elfy | get to our install/try dialogue | 16:59 |
| ochosi | so that is the one *before* ubiquity? | 17:00 |
| elfy | choose try - nothing appears, xfwm4 does NOT show up in ps aux | 17:00 |
| elfy | choose install - installer starts - install proceeds | 17:00 |
| elfy | exactly the same if you choose Try or Install from the first menu | 17:00 |
| ochosi | so the live session doesn | 17:01 |
| ochosi | t start? | 17:01 |
| elfy | ack | 17:01 |
| ochosi | humm | 17:01 |
| elfy | I am humming now - how long for? :p | 17:01 |
| ochosi | haha | 17:01 |
| elfy | you da boss :p | 17:02 |
| ochosi | maybe we should try with an image of another flavor first to see whether this is a more general problem | 17:02 |
| ochosi | (i really hope it is) | 17:02 |
| elfy | ochosi: I tried MAte, Lubuntu and Studio | 17:02 |
| ochosi | oh, and? | 17:03 |
| ochosi | same same? | 17:03 |
| elfy | expected Studio to bellyflop but it didn't | 17:03 |
| elfy | nope - unfortunately this is just us ... | 17:03 |
| ochosi | meh | 17:03 |
| ochosi | what have we done wrong now?? :'( | 17:03 |
| ochosi | i presume you don't get any worthwhile debugging output? | 17:06 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok - so installing from the Install option - *appears* to work | 17:06 |
| ochosi | kinda weird that we're having the inverse problem of b1 now | 17:06 |
| elfy | however xfwm4 isn't reported in ps aux in tty1 there either | 17:07 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea :( | 17:07 |
| ochosi | well the question is: is the X11 session starting and is *anything* running | 17:07 |
| ochosi | have you looked into your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? | 17:07 |
| elfy | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10575615/ | 17:08 |
| ochosi | weird, why is upstart still running there..? | 17:11 |
| elfy | mmm good point | 17:11 |
| ochosi | nothing xfce related is running | 17:11 |
| ochosi | so obviously something went rather wrong there | 17:11 |
| ochosi | lightdm seems okay | 17:11 |
| elfy | yep checked it's log - looks normal enough | 17:12 |
| elfy | systemd is running, analyze gives a figure | 17:12 |
| ochosi | does the Xorg.0.log say anything interesting at all? | 17:15 |
| elfy | failed to load module vboixvideo | 17:17 |
| elfy | booting image with /sbin/upstart doesn't work either | 17:22 |
| elfy | brb - checking something here | 17:22 |
| elfy | and upstart doesn't boot *this* either | 17:26 |
| ochosi | humm | 17:26 |
| ochosi | not sure | 17:26 |
| ochosi | i guess i'll have to try myself | 17:27 |
| ochosi | tonight I'm already booked, I might try and take a look tomorrow | 17:27 |
| * ochosi still silently hopes things will just resolve by themselves | 17:27 | |
| elfy | heh | 17:27 |
| elfy | well I'm just reinstalling upstart and letting that get upgraded rather than me doing it manually | 17:28 |
| drc | They will...sooner or later we'll all be dead and no one will ever know we had this problem :) | 17:28 |
| elfy | then I'm off to annoy -quality | 17:28 |
| ochosi | thanks for the fatalistic contribution, drc :) | 17:28 |
| drc | no more so than your comment about "fixing itself". | 17:29 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok this machine's ok now in both | 17:35 |
| elfy | still not able to boot live with upstart | 17:35 |
| elfy | I'll see what gives in -qa | 17:35 |
| elfy | and check again tomorrow I guess | 17:35 |
| ochosi | thanks elfy | 17:36 |
| ochosi | gotta run | 17:36 |
| elfy | yep - have a good one | 17:36 |
| ochosi | u2! | 17:36 |
| elfy | bluesabre: has something been touched that could cause this ? ^^ http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/10/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:59 and on for 30 minutes or so | 17:42 |
| elfy | hi brainvvash :) | 17:47 |
| drc | OK...dl'd B1 iso, installed, attempted to update (thru gui. Got "Failed to remove essential system package" error, and stopped. | 18:21 |
| drc | Interesting times indeed :) | 18:23 |
| krytarik | elfy: So, just tried ISO Live session with Xubuntu, Lubuntu, and Kubuntu. In Xubuntu, starting both Xubuntu and Xfce via LightDM fails, black screen; but startxfce4 works. Lubuntu works completely, as you said too; and installing xfce4 and starting it works there too. In Kubuntu, I just get a black screen with flicker fest here, and plasmashell crashes unrecoverably - might be related to my rather old setup though. | 19:09 |
| Unit193 | krytarik: Still have it up? I could check logs. :P | 19:09 |
| krytarik | I did, nothing in there. | 19:10 |
| krytarik | Umm, thinking about it, I didn't check LightDM's logs though. o\ | 19:15 |
| Unit193 | How about ~/.cache/upstart/ too? :P | 19:15 |
| krytarik | Nope, neither. :D | 19:16 |
| krytarik | I'm not rebooting into that again now though. :P | 19:17 |
| krytarik | Unit193: On another note, could you please check if my suggested changes to language names stuff of the docs work - particularly the Makefile? | 19:23 |
| elfy | krytarik: I'll grab kubuntu and have a look | 19:23 |
| elfy | thanks for checking that out | 19:23 |
| krytarik | Sure. | 19:24 |
| elfy | kubuntu boots | 19:26 |
| Unit193 | Sure, link again? | 19:27 |
| krytarik | Yep, sec. | 19:28 |
| krytarik | → http://paste.openstack.org/show/dVk8SfguxHghogSNHMKj/ | 19:29 |
| krytarik | and: http://paste.openstack.org/show/eJKIveD6iPKkplJVj0Xo/ | 19:30 |
| elfy | and Gnome | 19:33 |
| elfy | only one I've not been able to try it Ubuntu | 19:33 |
| elfy | only one that doesn't work is ours | 19:33 |
| krytarik | Meh, that surely sucks. :P | 19:34 |
| elfy | yep for sure | 19:35 |
| Unit193 | krytarik: Only thing that I don't like, the name of the file. :P | 19:37 |
| krytarik | Yeah, you didn't respond to my question there. ;P | 19:38 |
| krytarik | But the location would be fine? | 19:39 |
| Unit193 | It's too close to the other one, IMO, but yeah location makes sense. | 19:39 |
| krytarik | Well, I specifically adapted it to that one - how about LANGNAMES then? | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | Ummm. | 19:49 |
| Unit193 | Sooo. | 19:49 |
| krytarik | lol | 19:49 |
| Unit193 | No, I found what the problem was very quickly, but it doesn't make sense. Haven't found the why. | 19:51 |
| knome | he's back! | 19:53 |
| knome | i mean i am | 19:53 |
| elfy | he's back | 19:55 |
| elfy | I mean he is :p | 19:55 |
| knome | hehe | 19:55 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Did you talk to someone about this? | 19:57 |
| elfy | not yet - other than balloons | 19:57 |
| elfy | not anyone infinity like | 19:58 |
| Unit193 | So what I quickly found after booting, initctl was missing, but upstart-bin was installed. Something just removed /sbin/initctl. I don't know what still, or why, sooo... | 19:58 |
| elfy | so ... ? | 20:10 |
| elfy | so leave it for the day ? | 20:10 |
| elfy | should upstart-bin be removed? I've got that here | 20:11 |
| Unit193 | So, drop to a tty: sudo apt-get --reinstall install upstart-bin && sudo service lightdm restart | 20:14 |
| elfy | ok - so that would get the live session going | 20:16 |
| elfy | if you ignore Try and Install - it all appears to work, you can install - the end (in vm) gets graphic corruption after it says reboot | 20:17 |
| elfy | rebooting - blue wallpaper and nothing else | 20:17 |
| elfy | have a look in 10 minutes | 20:20 |
| elfy | ok - so that's cooking, I'll see what happens after it's installed | 20:32 |
| elfy | Unit193: so without being completely positive - would this be likely from something we've done or ... ? | 20:32 |
| elfy | wb drc | 20:33 |
| drc | elfy: Did you see my post earlier about trying to updates a fresh B1 install? | 20:33 |
| drc | and thanks :) | 20:33 |
| knome | bluesabre, hullo! | 20:33 |
| elfy | drc: yea I did thanks, food interrupted proceedings then krytarik and Unit193 made me think about something else :p | 20:34 |
| drc | No rest for the Wicked :) | 20:35 |
| drc | Any one else confirm/deny the problem? (I have had problems that 1) were of my own making and 2) peculiar to my machine.) | 20:35 |
| elfy | seemingly not | 20:36 |
| elfy | drc: I've got b1 downloaded - will check in a vm shortly | 20:36 |
| Unit193 | elfy: I don't see how, quite frankly. | 20:39 |
| elfy | Unit193: thanks - enough for me :) | 20:39 |
| elfy | I just want to see what occurs with this install - then I'll see if I can wake anyone up in -release | 20:39 |
| elfy | Unit193: ok so after reboot - have to --reinstall upstart-bin and restart lightdm again | 20:43 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm, because you only installed it on the overlay. | 20:45 |
| elfy | yea | 20:46 |
| elfy | anyway - noted in -release now | 20:46 |
| elfy | reboots properly second time | 20:46 |
| elfy | drc: trying b1 now | 20:47 |
| elfy | but it is only a vm | 20:47 |
| drc | ...baited breath.... | 20:47 |
| elfy | Unit193: no idea even what to try and report this against | 20:48 |
| elfy | knome: how's the slideshow going now? | 20:49 |
| knome | elfy, i looked at the general artwork yesterday, most likely getting into the content today : | 20:49 |
| knome | ) | 20:49 |
| elfy | :) | 20:49 |
| elfy | still not sure about the poll on the slide | 20:50 |
| knome | you? | 20:50 |
| elfy | me | 20:50 |
| knome | well | 20:50 |
| knome | what about this | 20:50 |
| knome | don't add it and consider introducing it for 15.10 | 20:50 |
| knome | we would still have time to act before the LTS | 20:51 |
| elfy | well - the reason won't change even if we leave it till 200.10 | 20:51 |
| knome | lol | 20:51 |
| knome | then don't add it now or later :) | 20:51 |
| elfy | mmm | 20:51 |
| elfy | on the other hand I guess those that aren't new would be able to answer it :) | 20:52 |
| knome | yeahh... | 20:52 |
| elfy | so that would be more info than we have now ... | 20:52 |
| knome | but how many of them look at the slideshow | 20:52 |
| knome | i installed xubuntu today and didn't look at it... | 20:52 |
| knome | okay okay, i'm an exception :P | 20:52 |
| elfy | and as you said - others caught by media'ing it | 20:52 |
| elfy | well I only look when I'm specifically asked to once a cycle ... | 20:53 |
| knome | hehe | 20:53 |
| knome | yeah | 20:53 |
| knome | did i already wonder it out loud | 20:53 |
| knome | "i wonder if we could add some js so people could vote directly from the slideshow" | 20:53 |
| elfy | Unit193: and that's why I hate asking questions in -release ... | 20:53 |
| elfy | don't remember you wondering that aloud | 20:54 |
| elfy | Unit193: thanks :p | 20:54 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Hah, nice. And sre. | 20:55 |
| elfy | :) | 20:55 |
| knome | elfy, technically: | 20:56 |
| knome | 1) check if we can connect to xubuntu.org | 20:56 |
| knome | 2) if we can, add buttons | 20:56 |
| knome | 3) when buttons are clicked, send a get request to xubuntu.org | 20:56 |
| knome | 3b) on the server, catch the "request" eg. the vote | 20:56 |
| knome | 4) hide buttons | 20:56 |
| knome | so basically people without internet connection can't vote | 20:57 |
| elfy | and the chances of that this cycle ? 0 on a 0-1 scale? :) | 20:57 |
| knome | 0.001 | 20:58 |
| elfy | ok :) | 20:58 |
| knome | the problem with that is that we'd need to make sure the server can take those requests | 20:58 |
| knome | in a meaningful way, that is | 20:58 |
| elfy | yea | 20:58 |
| knome | on the slideshow side, it doesn't need much | 20:58 |
| knome | we can even disregard 1/2 | 20:58 |
| knome | then if you can't connect, then your vote just isn't sent | 20:59 |
| knome | on a content level, i'd probably keep that REALLY simple, like one or at max two question with at max 3 predefined answers | 20:59 |
| elfy | mmm | 20:59 |
| elfy | given all that I'd prefer to revert to plan a - link to it from slideshow, social mediaise it a few times during the cycle | 21:02 |
| knome | yeah... | 21:02 |
| knome | but you aren't sure about plan a either? | 21:02 |
| elfy | only in as much as would be catch people then - but advertisment is free | 21:04 |
| elfy | and I'm surer about plan a than plan b :D | 21:04 |
| knome | heh | 21:04 |
| knome | i'm not sure about plan a either | 21:04 |
| knome | so maybe we should take 6 months thinking time | 21:04 |
| knome | slickymaster, your opinion? | 21:04 |
| elfy | knome: given that we really only want to do this once for a while, don't want to go off half-cock with it | 21:06 |
| knome | yep | 21:07 |
| elfy | knome: also - we going to stop the current one soon? | 21:12 |
| knome | probably so :) | 21:13 |
| elfy | got a response today :p | 21:14 |
| knome | heh | 21:14 |
| knome | how many total? | 21:14 |
| elfy | 357 | 21:14 |
| elfy | 5 since the 1st March | 21:14 |
| knome | yeaaah, we should probably either close it or social media it once more | 21:14 |
| elfy | mmm | 21:14 |
| elfy | maybe do one more shout then close it in enough time for us to look at the data before we start 15.10 | 21:15 |
| elfy | perhaps | 21:15 |
| knome | yep | 21:15 |
| knome | something like that | 21:15 |
| elfy | maybe shout nowish - close it beta week | 21:16 |
| elfy | ochosi: just so you are aware - fix uploaded by infinity | 21:21 |
| ochosi | elfy: sweet | 21:22 |
| ochosi | just as i had hoped! | 21:22 |
| ochosi | go infinity! | 21:22 |
| elfy | we've had plenty of interaction in that channel this cycle, being polite and friendly works wonders :) | 21:24 |
| ochosi | indeed | 21:26 |
| elfy | drc: dist-upgrading it now | 21:29 |
| * drc has turned blue from holding his breath from earlier :) | 21:31 | |
| ochosi | poor drc | 21:31 |
| elfy | bah | 21:31 |
| ochosi | what's on your mind? | 21:31 |
| * elfy forgot again ... | 21:32 | |
| elfy | drc: did you upgrade or dist-upgrade to sort out systemd? | 21:32 |
| drc | I installed B1 then did a regular/normal initial update (thru the gui). So, no dist-upgrade | 21:33 |
| elfy | ok - doing cli dist-upgrade currently | 21:34 |
| elfy | drc: xorg crash mid upgrade atm only | 21:36 |
| drc | Equal opportunity failure :) | 21:37 |
| elfy | mmm so has it hung setting up libc6 or not ... | 21:39 |
| knome | elfy, i had that yesterday or sth in vbox on regular package updates | 21:40 |
| knome | elfy, i killed the process, booted and ran dist-upgrade again - apparently finished nicely then | 21:41 |
| elfy | knome: drc had installed b1 earlier - and it crashed upgrading | 21:41 |
| knome | elfy, i can't remember what my installation media was, but probably pre-b1 | 21:42 |
| knome | s/probably/likely/ | 21:42 |
| elfy | nope - I managed to kill it completely :D | 21:44 |
| knome | heh | 21:44 |
| elfy | completing it via recovery mode | 21:44 |
| elfy | drc: I assume you tried that | 21:45 |
| drc | Nope...When it wonked out (after 2 installs, multiple rebooting and upgrade attemps), I just stopped. | 21:46 |
| bluesabre | hey all | 21:46 |
| bluesabre | elfy: so infinity took care of the issue then? | 21:47 |
| drc | I had to kill nothing...I got the error message in a dialogue box...cliked OK and eveything update related died on it's own. | 21:47 |
| elfy | bluesabre: yep - panic averted again :) | 21:48 |
| bluesabre | woot | 21:48 |
| elfy | drc: maybe try that | 21:48 |
| elfy | I'll check tomorrow as soon as I can obv | 21:48 |
| elfy | but ... | 21:48 |
| drc | can't, I wiped everything and replaced what I had when I decided to install the B1. | 21:48 |
| elfy | drc yea, but rebooted before upgrading? in which case you'll be able to get grub and recovery? | 21:49 |
| elfy | bluesabre: I just get a bit jittery when I've grabbed images from everyone and it's just us not working :) | 21:50 |
| ochosi | evening bluesabre | 21:50 |
| bluesabre | elfy: understandably :) | 21:50 |
| bluesabre | hey ochosi | 21:50 |
| elfy | drc: there'd have been kernel upgrades as well in the mix | 21:50 |
| ochosi | brb | 21:51 |
| drc | No, I installed, booted to the B1 on the hdd, tried updtaing when it stopped. I then rebooted (which went fine) but all updating attempts resulted in the same problem. | 21:51 |
| elfy | knome: re exploratory then ... | 21:52 |
| elfy | drc: oh - so quite broken then | 21:52 |
| elfy | knome: I thought that it got media'd when I mailed list tbh | 21:53 |
| drc | Well, no...everything that was there worked fine, just no updating. I thought about cli, but decided to report it first...and then I need to actually use the computer so I replced what was there before B! | 21:53 |
| elfy | might be worth a poke on that though - package reports are moribund for sure | 21:53 |
| elfy | drc aah ok :) | 21:53 |
| drc | And updating did not crash, it reported and exited quite gracefully :) | 21:54 |
| elfy | :) | 21:54 |
| knome | elfy, i was asking because the work item for that was marked "TODO" | 21:54 |
| drc | The channel log should have what the error message was (I don't really remember) | 21:54 |
| elfy | drc: did it actually say what it had problems with though? | 21:54 |
| elfy | [18:21] <drc> OK...dl'd B1 iso, installed, attempted to update (thru gui. Got "Failed to remove essential system package" error, and stopped. | 21:55 |
| drc | yup. I had a choice of OK and something else that took me back to the general setting wndow. | 21:55 |
| elfy | knome: ok - so that could be DONE, unless I change the item to "do it a few times during cycle" then we could media it again and make it INPROGRESS :) | 21:56 |
| knome | elfy, i'd keep all the "ongoing" stuff outside the work items | 21:56 |
| knome | elfy, because they end up just looking like there's a lot to do | 21:56 |
| elfy | drc: yep - what I mean is - it didn't say it failed on package x | 21:57 |
| drc | nope :( | 21:57 |
| elfy | knome: right - but then that means that the majority of items aren't going to be on blueprint - or shouldn't be | 21:57 |
| drc | I looked for something like that, but if it was anywhere, I couldn't find it. | 21:57 |
| knome | elfy, incorrect :) | 21:58 |
| elfy | task doesn't go from todo to done often :) | 21:58 |
| knome | elfy, heh, the point isn't to make it look like we've done a lot | 21:58 |
| elfy | drc: yea - maybe something that should be a bug - wishlist or ... | 21:58 |
| knome | elfy, but if the item is something that is done the first time at the beginning of the cycle, and the last time at the end | 21:58 |
| elfy | knome: I realise that | 21:58 |
| knome | elfy, there is no way to accurately track it, and it being either "TODO" or "INPROGRESS" is meh | 21:58 |
| elfy | but - that's all b/p's give you - for detail we should use trello ... | 21:59 |
| elfy | :p | 21:59 |
| knome | heh | 21:59 |
| drc | elfy: Maybe, but it also maybe just me/my machine. I did md5/checked the media and installed twice, same outcome all the way around. | 21:59 |
| knome | well i'm fine with any other than the one that i moved outside the work items ;) | 21:59 |
| elfy | anyway ... yes that was done - but maybe we should do more than once | 22:00 |
| knome | elfy, well, two; being: Ongoing tasks: | 22:00 |
| knome | * Social media campaigns for QA milestones | 22:00 |
| knome | * Social media campaings for QA contest | 22:00 |
| knome | elfy, things like: [xubuntu-qa] QA articles for xubuntu.org: TODO | 22:00 |
| elfy | mmm | 22:00 |
| knome | elfy, are ok, but should be split to different items when/if we know what exactly is to be done | 22:01 |
| elfy | well that's not going to be happening this cycle for sure | 22:01 |
| knome | then postpone it :) | 22:01 |
| elfy | THERE - FIDDLED WITH B/P'S | 22:09 |
| elfy | sigh | 22:09 |
| elfy | I need to run through testcases to check they still agree after 4.12 | 22:09 |
| elfy | then we can do another exploratory mail and media blitz | 22:10 |
| elfy | drc: so eventually I got to a desktop ... | 22:12 |
| drc | with the daily? | 22:12 |
| elfy | no | 22:14 |
| elfy | b1 and upgrading it | 22:14 |
| elfy | daily I got to desktop and installed and booted in the end - good old Unit193 :) | 22:15 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 22:15 |
| drc | what was the secret to the update? | 22:16 |
| elfy | dpkg from recovery menu drc | 22:16 |
| drc | So, it still doesn't work as advertised, but there is a work around? | 22:18 |
| elfy | oh there's something wrong | 22:18 |
| elfy | but I guess we need to iron out the systemd and other issues - I'll give it run when I know the live is good to see what happens then - but I'll do it on hardware | 22:19 |
| elfy | I've had oddities where you get a crash report during similar - if you say cancel it just finishes, saying report seems to stop it all dead | 22:20 |
| drc | My problem is 1) with only 2gig RAM, a VM is right outl 2) I have only one box (the patop) and I detest dual booting so it's a "all or nothing" situation for me. | 22:21 |
| elfy | yep - totally understand | 22:21 |
| elfy | last cycle with the ram and cpu I had I hated running vm's | 22:22 |
| * drc has been trying for a while to get the Youngest Daughter to "loan" me one of her 9 computers, but.... :) | 22:22 | |
| elfy | ... | 22:22 |
| elfy | kids | 22:22 |
| * Unit193 runs VMs on 2G... | 22:23 | |
| drc | I actually know that dual booting is not near as hard as it used to be, but old memories last :) | 22:23 |
| drc | Unit193: A 2gig VM or VM on a 2gig machine? | 22:24 |
| elfy | drc: if you're using linux only then dual boot really just works imo | 22:25 |
| Unit193 | drc: On a 2G machine. | 22:25 |
| elfy | the ONLY thing I do at cycle start is install grub to partition - so old one runs main grub | 22:25 |
| drc | elfy: I know, but.... | 22:25 |
| * drc wonder what dual booting a LILO and a GRUB distro(s) would be like? | 22:26 | |
| elfy | bouncy with maggots? | 22:27 |
| drc | I was thinking more slimy with slugs. | 22:27 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/.1504w/xubuntu-vivid.png | 23:18 |
| knome | ^ since it's going to be uploaded soon anyway... | 23:18 |
| elfy | too blue man | 23:20 |
| bluesabre | phoronix | xubuntu wallpaper leaked, same as old wallpaper | 23:20 |
| elfy | nice one knome :D | 23:20 |
| elfy | bluesabre: lol | 23:20 |
| elfy | knome: time for a comment on that one? | 23:21 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Nice one. | 23:21 |
| knome | elfy, as bluesabre how quickly he's pushing that :D | 23:24 |
| knome | *ask | 23:25 |
| knome | but sure, comments are always welcome | 23:25 |
| elfy | the leak? | 23:25 |
| knome | oh | 23:25 |
| knome | haha | 23:25 |
| knome | no comments | 23:25 |
| elfy | knome change the angle slightly | 23:25 |
| knome | not taking that bait :) | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | uploading in a bit | 23:27 |
| elfy | knome: lol | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | but knome has until thursday to fix it | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | so pester him! | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:27 |
| elfy | bluesabre: really? | 23:27 |
| elfy | is that a task? | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | we should add that to the -artwork blueprint | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | "pick on knome until UIF" | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | knome: anything else for 15.04 artwork? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/revision/283 | 23:36 |
| knome | bluesabre, no, looks good to me | 23:37 |
| bluesabre | cool, I'll add the last changes for mousepad and push both -artwork and x-d-s then | 23:37 |
| elfy | bluesabre: change blue for greyshade? | 23:38 |
| elfy | :p | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | I was thinking more pink or teal myself | 23:38 |
| knome | greysabre | 23:38 |
| elfy | bad bad elfy | 23:38 |
| elfy | bluesabre: cyan !!! | 23:39 |
| knome | -ide? | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | -ade | 23:39 |
| elfy | knome: nope | 23:39 |
| elfy | too much i | 23:39 |
| knome | i thought that would have been cyan enough :( | 23:39 |
| Unit193 | elfy: You may have mentioned another issue with the ISOs, anything I should take a look at? | 23:40 |
| elfy | Unit193: I think all part of the same parcel atm | 23:41 |
| elfy | possibly an upgrade issue if you pick the wring day | 23:41 |
| knome | wring? | 23:42 |
| elfy | ye | 23:42 |
| elfy | a | 23:42 |
| elfy | that's like the wrong day but much more specifi | 23:42 |
| elfy | c | 23:42 |
| Unit193 | Speaking of which, I need to try a core upgrade, yey. | 23:43 |
| elfy | knome: like yesterday or tomorrow | 23:43 |
| elfy | Unit193: lets make yey a nay | 23:43 |
| knome | heh | 23:43 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 23:44 |
| elfy | given the hoohah | 23:44 |
| knome | end k c end a e? | 23:44 |
| elfy | knome: could be ,,,, Friday perhaps | 23:44 |
| knome | thet wey it's mukh aesiar to follow tha diskussion | 23:44 |
| elfy | Unit193: wait till live works? | 23:45 |
| knome | elfy, you want to bore him to death? | 23:45 |
| elfy | do an arch each again? | 23:45 |
| Unit193 | Might be a good plan. | 23:45 |
| elfy | knome: do be brief ... | 23:45 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Oh, well you don't have to of course, I kind of did make the mess after all. | 23:45 |
| elfy | silly oldu nit 193 | 23:46 |
| elfy | knome: trying for Thursday | 23:46 |
| knome | what? | 23:47 |
| elfy | you asked | 23:47 |
| knome | heh | 23:47 |
| elfy | :) | 23:48 |
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