[00:01] elfy, once you get back, ping me about your plans about social mediaizing exploratory testing [00:05] ali1234: New firefox should fix that, try upgrading? [00:05] i am fully up to date [00:05] 36.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1? [00:05] Unit193, new firefox too? are they reverting to use the parameter anyway? [00:05] yes [00:06] - revert removal of the deprecated -remote command line option, as some [00:06] older software (eg, Python 2.7's webbrowser module) still depends on it [00:06] (LP: #1425972) [00:06] aha [00:06] Launchpad bug 1425972 in exo (Ubuntu Utopic) "Firefox no longer supports -remote parameter" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425972 [00:06] well that's the right way to go with that... [00:06] :P [00:21] other than the packages I cannot upload, xfce-4.12 is in -proposed :) [00:28] Stiiiilll reviewing stuff... [01:35] knome: do you want me to add your colorschemes to -artwork and x-d-s, any other changes expected there? [01:40] along with that, do we want to set mousepad's colorscheme by default? (might be safer to keep it white) [01:41] Soo, what's this do? [01:41] Unit193: http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/colorschemes/ [01:41] Oh right, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin 0.2.1 pushed, looks like it needs more testing and bug reports. [01:42] nice to see that coming along so quickly [01:42] want to kick it into -extras (or wherever we currently have it)? [01:43] Already have. [01:45] * bluesabre needs to pay more attention [01:53] knome: other question, how would you like these colorschemes licensed? [02:11] bluesabre: http://git.xfce.org/apps/orage/tree/configure.in.in?id=orage-4.10.0#n265 [02:12] Unit193: fun [02:12] No, it means it doesn't need gui4, which is good. New verve doesn't either. \o/ [02:13] woot [02:13] xfce4-linelight-plugin and xfce4-messenger-plugin nobody cares about (heck, couldn't even find a homepage for one of them..) [02:13] I think orage already doesn't depend on gui4 [02:13] maybe I'm wrong [02:13] xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin is a mess I believe. [02:13] yeah [02:13] bluesabre: build-dep. [02:14] silly orage [02:14] notes is really the only important one [02:15] Isn't that a mess too? [02:15] http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-notes-plugin/commit/configure.ac.in?id=d11fe51fae95b5b4963847be76ae4a07409a6076 wonder if that'd do it. [02:16] http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-notes-plugin/commit/?id=d11fe51fae95b5b4963847be76ae4a07409a6076 actually. [02:18] I'd say so [02:19] its ready for a release, except it doesn't build with latest vala [02:19] So, "it's ready for release, just doesn't build"? That doesn't sound ready. :D [02:19] ;) [02:19] bluesabre: Does your gui4 package build with gcc5 then? [02:20] Unit193: haven't tried [02:20] is gcc5 landing in vivid? [02:21] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10087 so this? [02:21] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10087 in General "build system needs to be updated for automake-1.13" [Normal,New] [02:21] bluesabre: No, but good to get things ready, as the mail said. [02:21] yeah [02:22] I'll give it a shot [02:22] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20150202-gcc5-vivid.html#xubuntu [02:22] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-March/038714.html explains. [02:25] ah, I see [02:25] missed that mail [02:26] I'm going to guess it probably wont fix that build failure [02:26] but maybe! [02:26] * bluesabre hopes [02:33] Several of the plugins have the setenv error. [02:34] See the other plugin releases? [02:39] not yet [07:56] bluesabre: btw, ever found out what that missing transmission icon was? [07:56] (just remembered now) [08:43] ochosi: is the next meeting on wednesday evening CEST? [08:45] dkessel: sorry, no, i still need to reschedule [10:21] bluesabre, pick a license that works best for you [10:21] bluesabre, i can live with either [10:22] bluesabre, and i guess the schemes in -art, defaults in x-d-s (talk with ochosi) [10:22] yup, +1 on that ^ [10:23] ooh ooh, docs upload [10:23] but not all the translated strings though [10:39] knome: thanks, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/revision/282 [10:40] ochosi: I think Laney said it should be fixed by the latest gtk upload, haven't checked yet [10:40] ah ok [10:40] great [10:44] knome, ochosi: xubuntu-dark as the default in terminal? [10:44] yup [10:44] practically the same as the current theme with some improvements [10:58] bluesabre, what about the default mousepad conf? [10:58] knome: working on that now [10:58] ok [10:58] do we want to have xubuntu-light as the default mousepad theme? [10:58] yeah i guess [10:59] it's easy enough to switch to the dark one [10:59] yeah [11:04] knome: for the default font [11:04] DejaVu Sans Mono Book [11:05] but thinking we should use font size 10 instead of 9 for the editor [11:05] weeell ;) [11:05] i use 8 [11:05] go figure [11:06] i guess i'm fine with 10 even though it's a bit brutal [11:06] * bluesabre can't squint that hard [11:06] I'll get these settings in and you guys can tweak them throughout the day to find the perfect xubuntu defaults [11:08] knome: word-wrap on|off? [11:09] or just default? [11:10] default [11:10] we can also choose to display toolbar, statusbar, anything like that [11:10] as long as you set the default color scheme to xubuntu light, i'm fine [11:13] k [11:13] do you know which bug is the search both directions bug? [11:13] or, I can just look that up [11:13] i had no idea we had one :D [11:14] or i forgot.. [11:14] found it [11:22] so yeah, if there are any other desired mousepad defaults, let me know, will have these pushed to bzr in a few [11:25] bluesabre: yeah, it should be linked to the bugs-blueprint [11:26] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/558 [11:27] ochosi: Use dconf-editor and see if there are any other things you want to add to that ^ [11:27] and elfy, Unit193, etc [11:27] maybe "show full name in titlebar" would be useful [11:28] that's one I find handy [11:28] k, let's put that one in then [11:28] will do [11:28] gotta go get ready for work now [11:29] line numbers maybe [11:29] and then that's it [11:29] (if those aren't on by default anyway) [11:29] cool, so we can mark another bug fixed then [13:48] Seeing a problem with xbuntu vivid, when I close the lid on my laptop and later reopen it I get the unlock screen fine but after authenticating all I get is a blank screen. I then have to hard restart to get back into xbuntu. Anyone else seeing this? Is it a known issue? [13:52] ._. its happening again? [13:52] Bug 1303736 [13:52] bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303736 [13:54] GridCube: looking at the bug now... [13:55] Only difference is that I have mine set to lock the screen, not suspend, but otherwise yes this is the issue I am seeing [13:56] I updated yesterday, perhaps if I update again I will get the fix? Or does it have to be installed manually? [14:02] that fix landed a long time ago - this issue keeps coming back, possibly another more recent not fixed bug, but there's so many different permutations of it I have lost my way with them [14:04] Updating now, if it still persists I'll add a comment to the bug. [14:04] Or should I open a new one? [14:09] Greylocks: I'm not sure tbh - I would edge towards report it - with as much specific information on what hardware it is [14:10] ochosi bluesabre - just so you know, image is still not getting to desktop after Try/Install dialogue [14:10] bbl [14:10] elfy: okay, it will have to be this evening I have to leave for work soon so I'll do it tonight. [14:41] The daily image for today actually working? [15:34] Apparently not...64bit daily would not boot thru to LiveUSB desktop, same a syesterday. [16:48] drc: as you have found out for yourself - no it's not :p [16:49] hey elfy [16:49] hi ochosi :) [16:49] is that since the systemd switch? [16:50] yep seemingly [16:50] refuses to get to the desktop [16:50] :/ [16:50] that [16:50] 's not very cool [16:50] is it reported already? [16:50] nope [16:50] nope [16:50] and does it affect anyone else? [16:50] not as such re reported [16:50] OTOH, upgrading appears to go smoothly? (this is a question, not a statement) [16:50] k [16:51] well i'm using vivid for a while now and the upgrade didn't break anything [16:51] ochosi: I checked 4 others yesterday not affecting them [16:51] my laptop still boots [16:51] ochosi: yea same :) [16:53] should we expect to see xfwm showing in ps aux [16:57] you can get to the installer at least [16:57] is that a question? [16:57] ochosi: if you've some idea what package to report against then I'll do that from cli [16:57] i mean yeah, xfwm4 should show up [16:58] what happens exactly when you hit try&install? [16:58] mmm well ps aux | grep xfwm4 just reports the tty string [16:58] ochosi: currently the install option from try/install dialogue [16:59] wait, i'm confused [16:59] ochosi: and it was more a rhetorical question [16:59] could you start from the top and describe the problem/bug? [16:59] ochosi: hang on - I'll summarise [16:59] ty :) [16:59] ha ha [16:59] boot image - at the first menu ignore it [16:59] get to our install/try dialogue [17:00] so that is the one *before* ubiquity? [17:00] choose try - nothing appears, xfwm4 does NOT show up in ps aux [17:00] choose install - installer starts - install proceeds [17:00] exactly the same if you choose Try or Install from the first menu [17:01] so the live session doesn [17:01] t start? [17:01] ack [17:01] humm [17:01] I am humming now - how long for? :p [17:01] haha [17:02] you da boss :p [17:02] maybe we should try with an image of another flavor first to see whether this is a more general problem [17:02] (i really hope it is) [17:02] ochosi: I tried MAte, Lubuntu and Studio [17:03] oh, and? [17:03] same same? [17:03] expected Studio to bellyflop but it didn't [17:03] nope - unfortunately this is just us ... [17:03] meh [17:03] what have we done wrong now?? :'( [17:06] i presume you don't get any worthwhile debugging output? [17:06] ochosi: ok - so installing from the Install option - *appears* to work [17:06] kinda weird that we're having the inverse problem of b1 now [17:07] however xfwm4 isn't reported in ps aux in tty1 there either [17:07] ochosi: yea :( [17:07] well the question is: is the X11 session starting and is *anything* running [17:07] have you looked into your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [17:08] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10575615/ [17:11] weird, why is upstart still running there..? [17:11] mmm good point [17:11] nothing xfce related is running [17:11] so obviously something went rather wrong there [17:11] lightdm seems okay [17:12] yep checked it's log - looks normal enough [17:12] systemd is running, analyze gives a figure [17:15] does the Xorg.0.log say anything interesting at all? [17:17] failed to load module vboixvideo [17:22] booting image with /sbin/upstart doesn't work either [17:22] brb - checking something here [17:26] and upstart doesn't boot *this* either [17:26] humm [17:26] not sure [17:27] i guess i'll have to try myself [17:27] tonight I'm already booked, I might try and take a look tomorrow [17:27] * ochosi still silently hopes things will just resolve by themselves [17:27] heh [17:28] well I'm just reinstalling upstart and letting that get upgraded rather than me doing it manually [17:28] They will...sooner or later we'll all be dead and no one will ever know we had this problem :) [17:28] then I'm off to annoy -quality [17:28] thanks for the fatalistic contribution, drc :) [17:29] no more so than your comment about "fixing itself". [17:35] ochosi: ok this machine's ok now in both [17:35] still not able to boot live with upstart [17:35] I'll see what gives in -qa [17:35] and check again tomorrow I guess [17:36] thanks elfy [17:36] gotta run [17:36] yep - have a good one [17:36] u2! [17:42] bluesabre: has something been touched that could cause this ? ^^ http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/10/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:59 and on for 30 minutes or so [17:47] hi brainvvash :) [18:21] OK...dl'd B1 iso, installed, attempted to update (thru gui. Got "Failed to remove essential system package" error, and stopped. [18:23] Interesting times indeed :) [19:09] elfy: So, just tried ISO Live session with Xubuntu, Lubuntu, and Kubuntu. In Xubuntu, starting both Xubuntu and Xfce via LightDM fails, black screen; but startxfce4 works. Lubuntu works completely, as you said too; and installing xfce4 and starting it works there too. In Kubuntu, I just get a black screen with flicker fest here, and plasmashell crashes unrecoverably - might be related to my rather old setup though. [19:09] krytarik: Still have it up? I could check logs. :P [19:10] I did, nothing in there. [19:15] Umm, thinking about it, I didn't check LightDM's logs though. o\ [19:15] How about ~/.cache/upstart/ too? :P [19:16] Nope, neither. :D [19:17] I'm not rebooting into that again now though. :P [19:23] Unit193: On another note, could you please check if my suggested changes to language names stuff of the docs work - particularly the Makefile? [19:23] krytarik: I'll grab kubuntu and have a look [19:23] thanks for checking that out [19:24] Sure. [19:26] kubuntu boots [19:27] Sure, link again? [19:28] Yep, sec. [19:29] → http://paste.openstack.org/show/dVk8SfguxHghogSNHMKj/ [19:30] and: http://paste.openstack.org/show/eJKIveD6iPKkplJVj0Xo/ [19:33] and Gnome [19:33] only one I've not been able to try it Ubuntu [19:33] only one that doesn't work is ours [19:34] Meh, that surely sucks. :P [19:35] yep for sure [19:37] krytarik: Only thing that I don't like, the name of the file. :P [19:38] Yeah, you didn't respond to my question there. ;P [19:39] But the location would be fine? [19:39] It's too close to the other one, IMO, but yeah location makes sense. [19:41] Well, I specifically adapted it to that one - how about LANGNAMES then? [19:49] Ummm. [19:49] Sooo. [19:49] lol [19:51] No, I found what the problem was very quickly, but it doesn't make sense. Haven't found the why. [19:53] he's back! [19:53] i mean i am [19:55] he's back [19:55] I mean he is :p [19:55] hehe [19:57] elfy: Did you talk to someone about this? [19:57] not yet - other than balloons [19:58] not anyone infinity like [19:58] So what I quickly found after booting, initctl was missing, but upstart-bin was installed. Something just removed /sbin/initctl. I don't know what still, or why, sooo... [20:10] so ... ? [20:10] so leave it for the day ? [20:11] should upstart-bin be removed? I've got that here [20:14] So, drop to a tty: sudo apt-get --reinstall install upstart-bin && sudo service lightdm restart [20:16] ok - so that would get the live session going [20:17] if you ignore Try and Install - it all appears to work, you can install - the end (in vm) gets graphic corruption after it says reboot [20:17] rebooting - blue wallpaper and nothing else [20:20] have a look in 10 minutes [20:32] ok - so that's cooking, I'll see what happens after it's installed [20:32] Unit193: so without being completely positive - would this be likely from something we've done or ... ? [20:33] wb drc [20:33] elfy: Did you see my post earlier about trying to updates a fresh B1 install? [20:33] and thanks :) [20:33] bluesabre, hullo! [20:34] drc: yea I did thanks, food interrupted proceedings then krytarik and Unit193 made me think about something else :p [20:35] No rest for the Wicked :) [20:35] Any one else confirm/deny the problem? (I have had problems that 1) were of my own making and 2) peculiar to my machine.) [20:36] seemingly not [20:36] drc: I've got b1 downloaded - will check in a vm shortly [20:39] elfy: I don't see how, quite frankly. [20:39] Unit193: thanks - enough for me :) [20:39] I just want to see what occurs with this install - then I'll see if I can wake anyone up in -release [20:43] Unit193: ok so after reboot - have to --reinstall upstart-bin and restart lightdm again [20:45] Mhmm, because you only installed it on the overlay. [20:46] yea [20:46] anyway - noted in -release now [20:46] reboots properly second time [20:47] drc: trying b1 now [20:47] but it is only a vm [20:47] ...baited breath.... [20:48] Unit193: no idea even what to try and report this against [20:49] knome: how's the slideshow going now? [20:49] elfy, i looked at the general artwork yesterday, most likely getting into the content today : [20:49] ) [20:49] :) [20:50] still not sure about the poll on the slide [20:50] you? [20:50] me [20:50] well [20:50] what about this [20:50] don't add it and consider introducing it for 15.10 [20:51] we would still have time to act before the LTS [20:51] well - the reason won't change even if we leave it till 200.10 [20:51] lol [20:51] then don't add it now or later :) [20:51] mmm [20:52] on the other hand I guess those that aren't new would be able to answer it :) [20:52] yeahh... [20:52] so that would be more info than we have now ... [20:52] but how many of them look at the slideshow [20:52] i installed xubuntu today and didn't look at it... [20:52] okay okay, i'm an exception :P [20:52] and as you said - others caught by media'ing it [20:53] well I only look when I'm specifically asked to once a cycle ... [20:53] hehe [20:53] yeah [20:53] did i already wonder it out loud [20:53] "i wonder if we could add some js so people could vote directly from the slideshow" [20:53] Unit193: and that's why I hate asking questions in -release ... [20:54] don't remember you wondering that aloud [20:54] Unit193: thanks :p [20:55] elfy: Hah, nice. And sre. [20:55] :) [20:56] elfy, technically: [20:56] 1) check if we can connect to xubuntu.org [20:56] 2) if we can, add buttons [20:56] 3) when buttons are clicked, send a get request to xubuntu.org [20:56] 3b) on the server, catch the "request" eg. the vote [20:56] 4) hide buttons [20:57] so basically people without internet connection can't vote [20:57] and the chances of that this cycle ? 0 on a 0-1 scale? :) [20:58] 0.001 [20:58] ok :) [20:58] the problem with that is that we'd need to make sure the server can take those requests [20:58] in a meaningful way, that is [20:58] yea [20:58] on the slideshow side, it doesn't need much [20:58] we can even disregard 1/2 [20:59] then if you can't connect, then your vote just isn't sent [20:59] on a content level, i'd probably keep that REALLY simple, like one or at max two question with at max 3 predefined answers [20:59] mmm [21:02] given all that I'd prefer to revert to plan a - link to it from slideshow, social mediaise it a few times during the cycle [21:02] yeah... [21:02] but you aren't sure about plan a either? [21:04] only in as much as would be catch people then - but advertisment is free [21:04] and I'm surer about plan a than plan b :D [21:04] heh [21:04] i'm not sure about plan a either [21:04] so maybe we should take 6 months thinking time [21:04] slickymaster, your opinion? [21:06] knome: given that we really only want to do this once for a while, don't want to go off half-cock with it [21:07] yep [21:12] knome: also - we going to stop the current one soon? [21:13] probably so :) [21:14] got a response today :p [21:14] heh [21:14] how many total? [21:14] 357 [21:14] 5 since the 1st March [21:14] yeaaah, we should probably either close it or social media it once more [21:14] mmm [21:15] maybe do one more shout then close it in enough time for us to look at the data before we start 15.10 [21:15] perhaps [21:15] yep [21:15] something like that [21:16] maybe shout nowish - close it beta week [21:21] ochosi: just so you are aware - fix uploaded by infinity [21:22] elfy: sweet [21:22] just as i had hoped! [21:22] go infinity! [21:24] we've had plenty of interaction in that channel this cycle, being polite and friendly works wonders :) [21:26] indeed [21:29] drc: dist-upgrading it now [21:31] * drc has turned blue from holding his breath from earlier :) [21:31] poor drc [21:31] bah [21:31] what's on your mind? [21:32] * elfy forgot again ... [21:32] drc: did you upgrade or dist-upgrade to sort out systemd? [21:33] I installed B1 then did a regular/normal initial update (thru the gui). So, no dist-upgrade [21:34] ok - doing cli dist-upgrade currently [21:36] drc: xorg crash mid upgrade atm only [21:37] Equal opportunity failure :) [21:39] mmm so has it hung setting up libc6 or not ... [21:40] elfy, i had that yesterday or sth in vbox on regular package updates [21:41] elfy, i killed the process, booted and ran dist-upgrade again - apparently finished nicely then [21:41] knome: drc had installed b1 earlier - and it crashed upgrading [21:42] elfy, i can't remember what my installation media was, but probably pre-b1 [21:42] s/probably/likely/ [21:44] nope - I managed to kill it completely :D [21:44] heh [21:44] completing it via recovery mode [21:45]